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| arrrghhh | Xofrats, I'm betting size. the size of the kernel I think is on the razor's edge for our existing setup. Go too large, and that offset & 'new' haret is required. | 00:48 |
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| hyc | wow, can't believe the number of folks having problems because they got a corrupted copy | 04:56 |
| hyc | crappy SD cards | 04:56 |
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| ryannathans | hyc: still round? | 10:53 |
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| xda-Squirrels | i hungerz | 11:45 |
| xda-Squirrels | roarrr | 11:45 |
| stinebd | hyc: what do you know about tiny little mini/plug PCs? | 11:48 |
| stinebd | for instance http://trimslice.com/web/ | 11:48 |
| stinebd | i want to use it as a glorified print, mail, lamp, file, nat server | 11:52 |
| knchris | i'd use something cheaper for that. An old $30 ASUS router with openWRT or dd-wrt will handle that just fine. | 11:56 |
| stinebd | no it won't | 11:56 |
| stinebd | the mail part includes spamassassin | 11:56 |
| stinebd | it'd be replacing a standalone pc for this task | 11:57 |
| stinebd | i was thinking a dockstar but those are apparently a commodity now (costs more than it's worth) and they only have 128MB ram | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | HDMI out | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | wow | 11:57 |
| stinebd | yeah i wouldn't use most of the fancy crap it has | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | hum | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | i might | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | stupid PS3 gets so loud when it's summertime | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | watching movies with it is painful at times... i have a fan sitting in front of it in order to keep from the turbo ps3 fan kicking in. | 11:58 |
| stinebd | the trim slice is almost exactly what i would need but with some extras | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | a fanless design like that would be sweet | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | assuming it could play HD video, which i assume it can with HDMI out lol | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | the one issue would be surround sound... | 11:59 |
| stinebd | i have existing equipment hooked up to a UPS, and i like the thought of it powering that little thing for like 3 days | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:00 |
| stinebd | i have extended power outages (8+ hours) a few times a year here | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | my UPS would last like 20 minutes probably | 12:00 |
| stinebd | interestingly the cable node lasts about 6 hours | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | 40 without the file server attached | 12:00 |
| stinebd | i have some little apc backups that runs the pc for like 90 minutes | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | "GPU assisted video playback is not supported yet – so Trim-Slice does not yet play high definition video." | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | might be a problem. | 12:01 |
| stinebd | not for me :P | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 12:01 |
| stinebd | they could take the gpu off for all i care | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | did you see the 'local reseller' page? lol | 12:01 |
| stinebd | maybe i could email them and ask for that | 12:01 |
| stinebd | knock $20 off the price and give me no gpu | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | Czech, Denmakr, Iceland, Israel, Switzerland, UK. | 12:02 |
| stinebd | yeah | 12:02 |
| stinebd | backorder is 2 weeks for the base model | 12:02 |
| stinebd | when you order direct | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't know you could order direct | 12:02 |
| stinebd | $215 with shipping | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | hum | 12:02 |
| stinebd | if i get that, a usb hard drive and a usb 100mbit lan i think i'd be set | 12:03 |
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| arrrghhh | it does gigbit thru ethernet no? | 12:04 |
| stinebd | yeah | 12:04 |
| stinebd | i need another ethernet to the modem | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | outta router space eh | 12:05 |
| stinebd | no | 12:05 |
| stinebd | it would be the router too | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | heh, with only 1 nic. | 12:06 |
| stinebd | i'd do it through the wifi router but i don't trust *wrt under that load | 12:07 |
| stinebd | it's failed me before | 12:07 |
| stinebd | because certain people like to use torrents a lot | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | don't look at me | 12:08 |
| stinebd | i don't think you live here | 12:08 |
| stinebd | OR DO YOU?! | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | only on the weekends | 12:08 |
| knchris | Very cool hardware. I haven't dealt with mail systems and spam for a while. Does SpamAssassin really need all that? | 12:08 |
| stinebd | it's perl, so yes | 12:08 |
| stinebd | the machine running it now is an athlon64 3500+ with 512mb ram | 12:09 |
| stinebd | so i'd need at least, say, a marvell 800mhz with 512mb+swap | 12:09 |
| stinebd | needless to say i'd see a bit of a boost on a tegra2 1gb | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | which is epic since it's fanless and tiny | 12:10 |
| stinebd | fanless is nice too btw | 12:10 |
| stinebd | that athlon64 is loud as hell | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | my ps3 is loud as hell :P | 12:10 |
| stinebd | i'm 197% certain this is louder by a good margin | 12:10 |
| knchris | ah | 12:11 |
| stinebd | if i could get another atrix and hook up a usb hub to it, that might work | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | i'm f-ing amazed at how loud the PS3 can get. | 12:11 |
| stinebd | also i'd get emergency mobile data if needed | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | normally it's just a dull roar | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | but if it's summer and we've had the TV/receiver on for a while... the PS3 goes into emergency blow mode, and sounds like a freakin airplane. | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol, 2 atrixes | 12:12 |
| stinebd | that's what this pc sounds like always | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 12:12 |
| stinebd | the fan has only one speed: space shuttle launch | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:12 |
| stinebd | i wish i could steal donation money for this but that would be against my strict policy of giving the money to everyone else | 12:13 |
| stinebd | if i use my grandmother's line upgrade eligibility i can get the atrix for $100 and hack it into usb host mode | 12:15 |
| stinebd | $125 when you factor in the temporary data plan | 12:16 |
| stinebd | anyway alex asked me to do something last night and i forget what it was | 12:19 |
| stinebd | i wrote it down somewhere but i forget where | 12:19 |
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| arrrghhh | stupid blackstone users | 12:33 |
| xda-Squirrels | go on | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | why must wifi be so fickle | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | or maybe this user is just a rube | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | he said he's been trying to get wifi to work for over a year lol | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not sure what his logs indicate, other than it's borked. | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | dmesg starts exploding after wifi is shutdown. turning it up doesn't seem too dramatic of an affair. | 12:34 |
| xda-Squirrels | hmm | 12:34 |
| xda-Squirrels | weird | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | [ 356.655212] TIWLAN: Driver loaded | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | [ 365.688964] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | [ 396.792968] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | [ 418.126983] TIWLAN: Driver unloading | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | then the nightmare begins | 12:35 |
| xda-Squirrels | if it wasnt working you'd think you'd see something when it tried to start or scan or connect | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | well what's odd is it can scan | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | it sees a network | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | tries to connect. even says it's connected... then just goes to disconnected. | 12:35 |
| xda-Squirrels | wpa_supplicant broken? | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | i guess | 12:35 |
| xda-Squirrels | idk why that'd make the interface go down though | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:36 |
| xda-Squirrels | and there is no other useful info? | 12:36 |
| arrrghhh | 08-11 12:52:01.240 E/WifiService( 1339): Error configuring interface tiwlan0, :java.lang.IllegalStateException: Expected code 213, but got 600 | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not very useful at finding things that are useful. | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | at least nothing is jumping out at me. i don't troubleshoot wifi very often (read: ever) | 12:37 |
| rpierce99 | i thought issues turning off TI was known | 12:38 |
| rpierce99 | the unable to connect part no so much | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, not only has it been fixed in FRX07 | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | but this isn't that issue | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | this is on a first boot | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | still failing | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | and i see it trying to connect | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | 08-11 12:52:10.040 V/WifiMonitor( 1339): Event [Trying to associate with 00:22:b0:c0:4a:7f (SSID='SweetHome' freq=2462 MHz)] | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | 08-11 12:52:20.040 V/WifiMonitor( 1339): Event [Authentication with 00:22:b0:c0:4a:7f timed out.] | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | he claimed this was with no security. either he's lying, or something is very wrong. | 12:39 |
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| arrrghhh | http://pastebin.com/ysL5edug | 12:40 |
| rpierce99 | if there's one thing I learned while working for Geek Squad it's that no one has a clue when it comes to their wireless networks | 12:40 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps someone smarter than I can see what's up ^^ | 12:40 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, indeed. i'm just wondering if it's user error or not. it doesn't appear to be, but there's always that possibility. | 12:40 |
| xda-Squirrels | looking now | 12:40 |
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| xda-Squirrels | failed to configure on bootup it looks like (which you posted earlier), failed to set 'ok' status | 12:42 |
| f00bar80 | whenever i try pptp vpn i'm geting unable to connect to network, at the time i've used a working vpn login details, any comment | 12:42 |
| rpierce99 | f00bar80: comment: VPNs suck | 12:42 |
| knchris | ISPs sometimes block pptp protocol | 12:42 |
| arrrghhh | f00bar80, not supported AFAIK | 12:42 |
| xda-Squirrels | tons of call stacks | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | xda-Squirrels, that's what i mean by the nightmare beginning after wifi is disabled. | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | the kernel just vomits over and over and over again... | 12:44 |
| xda-Squirrels | yeah | 12:44 |
| xda-Squirrels | perhaps a comparison between dmesgs from a working and his non-working blackstone would help more | 12:45 |
| xda-Squirrels | see what doesnt happen on a working one | 12:45 |
| xda-Squirrels | if they dont get the configuration error, it could be that | 12:45 |
| arrrghhh | hum | 12:45 |
| xda-Squirrels | i just dont know from that log | 12:45 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 12:45 |
| arrrghhh | any blackstone yokels around? | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | hrm, i wonder if any TI would do... | 12:46 |
| xda-Squirrels | when it says authentication times out maybe it really means association, but idk | 12:46 |
| xda-Squirrels | not sure, i still have my random dmesgs laying around | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | yea. i love troubleshooting problems for people who have no business running this junk. | 12:46 |
| xda-Squirrels | but raph800 might be too diff | 12:46 |
| xda-Squirrels | yep '[ | 12:46 |
| xda-Squirrels | *;p | 12:46 |
| rpierce99 | i don't know if a comparison would help, i'd assume the diff would be dmesg would say success instead of fail | 12:48 |
| rpierce99 | or wlan0: link read instead of link is not ready | 12:48 |
| xda-Squirrels | well some things fail but still work through asshattery or 'hacks' | 12:48 |
| xda-Squirrels | i know in my dmesg there are multiple errors and the like but things stil work | 12:49 |
| xda-Squirrels | due to a hack that fixes it later on | 12:49 |
| xda-Squirrels | i wanna see what a normal dmesg looks like on a blackstone | 12:49 |
| xda-Squirrels | to rule things out | 12:49 |
| arrrghhh | asshattery | 12:50 |
| arrrghhh | sounds like i found my new college degree aspirations | 12:50 |
| rpierce99 | if it works on another blackstone doesn't that necessarily mean it's user error? | 12:50 |
| xda-Squirrels | lol | 12:50 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, it's always user error | 12:50 |
| xda-Squirrels | well it could be a situation where there are variants and this variant has a diff. | 12:50 |
| arrrghhh | especially in my case, as i've found trying to setup this IRC bouncer. | 12:51 |
| f00bar80 | then i don't have anyway to get voip working on 3G as it's currently blocked by my carier | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think blackstone has any variants. | 12:51 |
| xda-Squirrels | it is probably user error if every blackstone person isnt freaking out | 12:51 |
| rpierce99 | user error: purchased incorrect phone | 12:51 |
| xda-Squirrels | hmm, idk, i dont have a blackstone lol | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | f00bar80, voip is painful on our phones anyways. waste of time. | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 12:54 |
| f00bar80 | arrrghhh, so what do you think can be a way to get voip working on 3G at the time it's blocked ? | 12:56 |
| arrrghhh | f00bar80, did you not read what i said. | 12:57 |
| arrrghhh | "f00bar80, voip is painful on our phones anyways. waste of time." | 12:57 |
| f00bar80 | arrrghhh, is there anything can be checked or troubleshooted ? | 12:57 |
| arrrghhh | yea you can check the processor in your phone, it's from 2007 | 12:58 |
| rpierce99 | there was a thread in one of the sites about VPN functionality, people have gotten it working, i have no idea what they did | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | now weep softly in the corner and try to find something newer if you expect to be able to use VoIP. | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, you are so helpful LOL | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | geek squad to the rescue! | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055404&highlight=vpn | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | searching for the term vpn is amazing. | 12:59 |
| rpierce99 | hey, sometimes RTFT (thread) is a valid solution, is "get a new phone" really better? | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | when the hardware is limited | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | and no amount of hacking at crap will make it work | 13:00 |
| arrrghhh | i'd say yes | 13:00 |
| arrrghhh | besides, that dude's just talking about getting a VPN working | 13:00 |
| arrrghhh | nothing about VoIP | 13:00 |
| rpierce99 | yes, but you've told f00bar80 about all of the issues with voip, and it sounds like he wants to try anyways, so i gave him an option | 13:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:01 |
| smiley-_ | blah.. wifi is a real battery drainer on the sk17i/mango/xperia mini pro.. I had to install Tasker and create a job that turns of wifi when the display is switched off | 13:01 |
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| arrrghhh | smiley-_, isn't that like a built-in option in Android? | 13:01 |
| rpierce99 | isn't that an option in android? | 13:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:01 |
| rpierce99 | lol | 13:01 |
| stinebd | lol yes | 13:01 |
| smiley-_ | there is | 13:01 |
| smiley-_ | but it doesnt work very good | 13:01 |
| smiley-_ | it was leaving it on for like 30 minutes | 13:02 |
| arrrghhh | i thought it was configurable. dunno, i never use wifi. | 13:02 |
| smiley-_ | under advanced options it's possible | 13:03 |
| smiley-_ | too bad it doesnt work ;) | 13:03 |
| smiley-_ | otherwise I'm happy with it :) | 13:03 |
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| arrrghhh | meh | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | i just like it when kiddie toys are used to exploit security holes | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/researchers-use-childrens-toy-to-exploit-security-hole-in-feds/ | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | Matt Blaze seems like a fake name. | 13:09 |
| D3tul3 | gingerbread is nice | 13:10 |
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| Xofrats | *wibble* | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | whyble | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | "ANOTHER BOOM SHELL." | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:39 |
| Xofrats | arrrghhh How is my kernel going | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | pretty good in fact | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | i forgot to do that turbo mode crap tho | 14:49 |
| Xofrats | Well, you don't need to. It just tries to oc the axi bus | 14:50 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | but i want to try that :P | 14:51 |
| Xofrats | Spotify is decent, too bad it's desktop onry+6 month | 14:54 |
| Xofrats | Anything kernel-wise that you'd like to see arrrghhh? | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | prox sensor | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:55 |
| Xofrats | I think prox needs a kernel param | 14:56 |
| Xofrats | To activate it | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | i thought it needed a proper driver | 14:56 |
| Xofrats | There is a driver, braindead one | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | make it not so braindead please :D | 14:57 |
| arrrghhh | i'm tryin to think of what else kernel-wise is borked. | 14:57 |
| Xofrats | Sure, hire me a kernel coder ^^) | 14:57 |
| arrrghhh | man... i wish jonpry had finished SCBS | 14:57 |
| arrrghhh | hey you're offering not me :P | 14:57 |
| Xofrats | <-tinkerer, !coder | 14:57 |
| Xofrats | I just happen to tinker pretty well | 14:58 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:59 |
| arrrghhh | if i sat down and took the time to learn this stuff, i might be a tinkerer | 14:59 |
| arrrghhh | not sure i'd ever reach the level of actually understanding so i could write drivers :P | 14:59 |
| Xofrats | Try the newest kernel, activate BT, and wonder why the clock is waaay off | 14:59 |
| * Xofrats needs to figure this clock-wince stuff | 15:00 | |
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| jonpry | what in the android sources takes care of making the symlinks to toolbox? | 17:26 |
| turbolapin | hello everybody! | 17:36 |
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| krisse | hi all | 17:40 |
| krisse | can somebody explain where I can find lib80211 | 17:40 |
| krisse | as module for the kernel | 17:40 |
| krisse | refering to this wiki http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=WL1251 | 17:40 |
| krisse | I tried also getting it out of compat-wireless but it seems to be missing somehow | 17:40 |
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| arrrghhh | turbolapin, do you have a question? | 17:52 |
| krisse | arrrghhh: I would like some help to :) | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | krisse, no help for tiad8's trolls. sorry. | 17:53 |
| krisse | arrrghhh: why? | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | you really have to ask? | 17:54 |
| krisse | arrrghhh: sorry I don't know what we done wrong :( | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | not necessarily you directly, but your overlord. | 17:56 |
| krisse | arrrghhh: what should I do to be complient with xda standards then. What if I want to help...? | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | i'm assuming you mean compliant | 17:57 |
| krisse | yes | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | and not working with tiad8 would be a start... that's probably one reason why no one wants to help you | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | that dude steals enough of our stuff on his own | 17:57 |
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| arrrghhh | we don't need to help his trolls in order to help him steal more, faster... | 17:57 |
| krisse | arrrghhh: oh | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | turbolapin, please don't PM unsolicited... | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | if you have a question, ask here | 18:00 |
| turbolapin | i have many questions that's why i pmed :P | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | ask 'em here | 18:01 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not the knower of all | 18:01 |
| arrrghhh | others can help too... | 18:01 |
| turbolapin | okey :) | 18:02 |
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| turbolapin | like i said in one of my pms a few days ago in xda i want to get involved. so i need to understand a few things. | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | get involved? | 18:04 |
| turbolapin | i will ask here if i need anything. i hope you all don't mind some noob questions i might have :D | 18:04 |
| turbolapin | in some projects like the xda or kernel. i'm not sure what exactly | 18:05 |
| turbolapin | but as i told you in pm i'm a bit noob for now hehehe | 18:05 |
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| arrrghhh | do you have development experience? | 18:06 |
| arrrghhh | C? Linux kernel? Android userland? | 18:06 |
| turbolapin | only in C.C++ a bit assembly and a bit scripts. | 18:06 |
| turbolapin | for example | 18:06 |
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| turbolapin | i can understand the scripts | 18:07 |
| turbolapin | (i search google if i don't know some commands) | 18:07 |
| turbolapin | but it will take me some time | 18:07 |
| turbolapin | linux kernel not much | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | well c++ probably isn't very useful | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | C will be | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | assembly... i'm sure that will be useful | 18:07 |
| turbolapin | i'm in linux environment for 6 months | 18:08 |
| arrrghhh | good | 18:08 |
| turbolapin | as for android i've ran the NAND project of jamesallen426 in my RAPH100 | 18:08 |
| turbolapin | not much there too | 18:09 |
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| arrrghhh | yea, not sure what happened to that dude | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | probably bricked his phone | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:09 |
| turbolapin | yeah? | 18:09 |
| turbolapin | i talked with him 3 weeks ago | 18:09 |
| turbolapin | he told me he is working on a light kernel | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | little kernel? | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | lk? | 18:10 |
| turbolapin | yeah little kernel whatever it is called :P | 18:10 |
| turbolapin | lk in other words | 18:10 |
| turbolapin | thanks for pointing | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | np | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't seen much on it for RAPH in ages | 18:11 |
| turbolapin | let me put some more music :P | 18:12 |
| turbolapin | it helps me concentrating hehe | 18:12 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 18:12 |
| turbolapin | in case you don't remember | 18:13 |
| turbolapin | in my last pm | 18:13 |
| turbolapin | i didn't know much about git. it's a shame :D | 18:13 |
| arrrghhh | i get way too many PM's to remember | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:14 |
| turbolapin | hehe | 18:14 |
| turbolapin | but i've read some tutorials in the net | 18:14 |
| turbolapin | the basic commands | 18:14 |
| turbolapin | so i want to clone one project :D | 18:15 |
| arrrghhh | do eeeet | 18:15 |
| turbolapin | let's start with this? http://gitorious.org/xdandroid/ | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | sure | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | depends on what you want to focus on | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | i would start with something small | 18:17 |
| turbolapin | like? :) | 18:18 |
| arrrghhh | well, it really depends on what you want to work on | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | most devs have something that peeves them | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | so they go after it, immerse themselves in it, and fix it | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | just ask Entropy512 about GPS :P | 18:20 |
| Entropy512 | hehehe | 18:20 |
| Entropy512 | or they immerse themselves | 18:20 |
| Entropy512 | bash their head against the wall | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | either way | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | how goes it mate? haven't talked in a while | 18:21 |
| Entropy512 | and curl up in a fetal position | 18:21 |
| Entropy512 | been busy | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:21 |
| Entropy512 | business trips | 18:21 |
| Entropy512 | and some kernel hacking on the Infuse | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | stop it | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | work on XDAndroid :P | 18:21 |
| turbolapin | hehe | 18:21 |
| turbolapin | hello entropy :) | 18:21 |
| turbolapin | arrrghhh when you say something to work on: do you mean kernel or rom? | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | turbolapin, whatever you want | 18:23 |
| rpierce99 | turbolapin: what he's saying is find a bug that bugs you, or a feature you want, and freaking do it, wherever it lives | 18:24 |
| turbolapin | if i choose a rom then i choose a subcategory too? like in kernel eg wifi, panel colapse etc | 18:24 |
| turbolapin | ok to make things a bit clearer | 18:25 |
| turbolapin | i prefer kernel | 18:25 |
| turbolapin | because it's the base | 18:25 |
| turbolapin | i think it would be more exciting working on the kernel | 18:25 |
| turbolapin | but i also think(i don't know for sure) that it is more difficult | 18:25 |
| turbolapin | sry for being noob but i'm in the first step :D | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | turbolapin, depends | 18:26 |
| rpierce99 | then i suggest you look through the bug tracker, find a bug that lives in kernel space, and fix it | 18:26 |
| rpierce99 | though most of our kernel issues require RE of winmo dlls | 18:27 |
| turbolapin | RE? | 18:27 |
| rpierce99 | reverse engineering | 18:27 |
| turbolapin | and why is that needed? | 18:27 |
| rpierce99 | to figure out how to make the hardware do what it needs to do | 18:27 |
| turbolapin | yeah that's true :P | 18:28 |
| rpierce99 | we don't have much documentation on the phone's hardware | 18:28 |
| turbolapin | so in the case of kernel i will need to get in the dlls too? | 18:28 |
| rpierce99 | depends on what you are fixing | 18:29 |
| turbolapin | what device do you have? | 18:29 |
| rpierce99 | rhod400, like most of the cool kids :P | 18:30 |
| turbolapin | haha | 18:30 |
| turbolapin | i have raph100 and i'm cool too :) | 18:31 |
| turbolapin | back to the subject | 18:31 |
| turbolapin | in raph100 we have the panel colapse problem | 18:31 |
| turbolapin | in case i want to try to fix that do i need the help of wm? | 18:31 |
| rpierce99 | that's one of the things you'd need either really good docs, or to RE the winmo dlls | 18:31 |
| rpierce99 | because you need to know what registers to set on the panel | 18:32 |
| rpierce99 | there was another way that wistilt2 was trying, the brute force method | 18:33 |
| turbolapin | is there any way that we can brick our phones because of a bad kernel load? i ask just in any case. i think no because it runs from sdcard | 18:33 |
| rpierce99 | he just whipped up a test kernel, had someone test it, then tried another way if it didn't work | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | well the chances are low running from SD | 18:34 |
| turbolapin | with brute force it needs a lot of time right? | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | but one dude did manage to brick his phone messing with the battery driver. | 18:34 |
| stinebd | that wasn't really brute force, he had docs saying "try here... if not there, try here..." etc | 18:34 |
| rpierce99 | yeah you'd have to screw with the hardware pretty good to brick it | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | turbolapin, a lot of time and work... and it turned up nothing unfortunately. | 18:34 |
| stinebd | jonpry: shit let's see if i remember this... | 18:35 |
| stinebd | there's something in build/ that has the toolbox config | 18:35 |
| stinebd | or maybe in the toolbox directory itself | 18:35 |
| jonpry | stinebd is it even a good idea to get rid of toolbox entirely? | 18:36 |
| stinebd | ah it's in toolbox/Android.mk TOOLS := ... | 18:36 |
| turbolapin | tnx for the tips guys | 18:36 |
| stinebd | not a good idea | 18:36 |
| turbolapin | brick because of the battery | 18:36 |
| turbolapin | i will keep it in mind :P | 18:36 |
| stinebd | jonpry: unless you can configure busybox as a drop-in replacement | 18:36 |
| stinebd | or your other box of choice | 18:37 |
| stinebd | however toolbox has things busybox doesn't | 18:37 |
| jonpry | i've got busybox along with all its links in xbin now | 18:37 |
| stinebd | like setprop and stuff | 18:37 |
| jonpry | ah | 18:37 |
| jonpry | setprop could be useful :) | 18:37 |
| stinebd | you should keep toolbox and remove things that you'd rather have busybox for | 18:37 |
| stinebd | (and put busybox in /bin i'd say) | 18:38 |
| stinebd | er /system/bin | 18:38 |
| jonpry | the biggest issue is that the path is setup to use toolbox first | 18:38 |
| stinebd | yeah that's why if i were you i'd fork it and remove whatever links to toolbox | 18:39 |
| stinebd | like mv or rm | 18:39 |
| stinebd | imo basically anything that isn't toolbox-specific | 18:39 |
| jonpry | just remove stuff from TOOL :=? | 18:40 |
| stinebd | yeah (TOOLS) | 18:40 |
| stinebd | you'll see it right away | 18:40 |
| jonpry | will do. thanks | 18:40 |
| turbolapin | what is that toolbox you are talking? | 18:41 |
| stinebd | honestly most of those things are so bad i don't really know why they didn't just use busybox | 18:41 |
| stinebd | a huge waste of time and a terrible result | 18:41 |
| jonpry | they think gpl is the plague | 18:41 |
| stinebd | they could just tiad it | 18:42 |
| stinebd | withhold the source and say they got it straight from qualcomm | 18:42 |
| jonpry | i guess busybox is big on suing people | 18:42 |
| jonpry | but really i think its all paranoia. just need to put a little message in the about box that says get your source from busybox.org | 18:43 |
| stinebd | it's not like they don't have other stuff in the tree that's gpl | 18:43 |
| jonpry | like what? | 18:43 |
| stinebd | find -iname MODULE_LICENSE_GPL | 18:44 |
| stinebd | or -name | 18:44 |
| jonpry | i don't think any of that stuff is necessarily built into the system.img | 18:45 |
| stinebd | sure is | 18:46 |
| jonpry | iptables? | 18:46 |
| stinebd | the only issue i could see would be something linking to toolbox | 18:46 |
| stinebd | good point | 18:47 |
| stinebd | iproute2 is in there too | 18:47 |
| jonpry | interesting that they would go so far just to leave a couple lamo utilities | 18:48 |
| stinebd | almost had to be an OHA demand | 18:48 |
| stinebd | to protect the vendors | 18:48 |
| stinebd | kinda moot now that they've got oracle after them | 18:49 |
| jonpry | all patent problems | 18:49 |
| jonpry | busybox is good with me. living without find is painful | 18:50 |
| arrrghhh | jonpry, a budding kernel dev has a question for you | 18:51 |
| jonpry | on htc-linux? | 18:51 |
| stinebd | i want to be a colonel dev | 18:51 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | i'd like to be a colonel dev as well. mmmm chicken | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | jonpry, he's here. hopefully formulating his question... | 18:52 |
| jonpry | have to figure out the 11 secret herbs and spices | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | hehe | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | he's asking kernel dev questions that i cannot answer... | 18:52 |
| krisse | jonpry: some basic kernel questions.. | 18:52 |
| krisse | jonpry: do you use menuconfig or make config to change parameters in kernel? | 18:52 |
| stinebd | edit the defconfig and make defconfig | 18:53 |
| jonpry | i like xconfig or gedit :p | 18:53 |
| krisse | jonpry: or go straigt ahead with modify it in the files located under /arch/arm/configs | 18:53 |
| krisse | thx | 18:54 |
| jonpry | i usually edit the .config that whole defconfig thing is strange | 18:54 |
| stinebd | i do it like torvalds baby | 18:54 |
| stinebd | what the hell is error 41 | 18:55 |
| jonpry | not good | 18:55 |
| stinebd | frameworks/base/services/java/com/android/server/usb/UsbService.java:341: 'catch' without 'try' | 18:55 |
| stinebd | bam | 18:55 |
| stinebd | bad merge | 18:55 |
| jonpry | how can you make repo sync do something like a merge? | 18:56 |
| stinebd | ? | 18:56 |
| jonpry | pretty sure if i do repo sync on my tree which has changes it will just zonk them all | 18:56 |
| stinebd | you have to set up tracking branches and pull changes manually | 18:57 |
| jonpry | sounds like enough fun for another day | 18:57 |
| stinebd | so when you have to change something, git branch --track blahblah remote/blahblah, git checkout blah blah, make your changes and commit | 18:57 |
| stinebd | then on your next repo sync, follow it with a repo forall git pull | 18:58 |
| stinebd | which will either ff or merge whatever upstream changes happened for repositories that you branched | 18:58 |
| jonpry | what if you already made changes without doing git branch? | 18:59 |
| stinebd | branch will work off of whatever your head is at | 19:00 |
| stinebd | so you can start after the fact | 19:00 |
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| turbolapin | goodnight guys | 20:07 |
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| arrrghhh | i know this has been discussed | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | but is there an app for calibration on native android devices? i know not many have resistive screens, but a few do... | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | like what does tattoo or g1 do... | 21:00 |
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| Detule | smd_close(7) ok someone tell me what that means and why it's bad | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | smd channel er port thingy closing | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | and i'm assuming your radio goes with it? | 21:09 |
| Detule | my phone goes with it, i see this ever time the timer on 39 slows down | 21:11 |
| Detule | so it's radio related | 21:11 |
| Detule | ? | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | SMD? oh yea | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | it is the radio as i understand it... | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | /dev/smd7 is the gsm radio i think | 21:12 |
| arrrghhh | and /dev/smd1 is cdma? i might be oversimplifying that. | 21:12 |
| arrrghhh | or just fucking it up, but i know the SMD has to do with the radio lol | 21:12 |
| Detule | hm i don't see any weirdness in the radio log | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | *shrug* | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | i'm pretty sure the smd is the serial interface to the radio | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | or the serial interface that is the radio? | 21:16 |
| Detule | yeah i might not be reading these logs correctly but i invariably see this dmesg output when my phone decides to crap out | 21:18 |
| Detule | [25593.880249] smd_close(7) | 21:18 |
| Detule | [25595.042022] SMD: ch 7 CLOSED -> CLOSING | 21:18 |
| Detule | [25595.042114] SMD: ch 7 CLOSING -> OPENING | 21:18 |
| Detule | [25595.042205] SMD: ch 7 OPENING -> OPENED | 21:18 |
| Detule | [25595.064819] pppd: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0x4d0 | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | yea you see pppd failing right after it | 21:19 |
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| Detule | jonpry, could this https://gitorious.org/linux-msm-rhod/linux-msm-rhod/blobs/htc-msm-2.6.39/arch/arm/mach-msm/smd.c#line903 be doing something bad when smd_close is called? | 21:40 |
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| arrrghhh | lol | 21:46 |
| arrrghhh | i love the comment | 21:46 |
| arrrghhh | "but really, that's what you want." | 21:46 |
| Detule | i guess that patch is in the mailing 27 kernel as well, but not in 35 | 21:48 |
| Detule | s/mailing/mainline | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | .39 was kinda a copy/paste of .27 | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | from what i understand. .35 was written more from the ground up if you will... | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | but i'm sure they pulled things from .35 as well | 21:50 |
| arrrghhh | woah... that was really weird | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | on a phone call, phone actually wakes up quickly and i answer it | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | have a convo, phone goes to sleep (arm11 at least, solid green led, screen off) and I hear the "this call is being recorded" as if i hit '4' on an incoming google voice call (which this was) | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | phone is still sleeping... wth. | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | so i finish up my call, wake the phone and it's not in a call? | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | i try to swipe the notification bar, and it kinda hangs... then soft resets to winmo lol | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, gotta work on those big brother features | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | not quite there yet | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | Oo forgot the /msg | 21:57 |
| xda-Squirrels | unf | 22:04 |
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| arrrghhh | lol wtf | 22:37 |
| arrrghhh | GetLogs to pastebin produces a link of 'pastebin.com'. helpful. | 22:38 |
| arrrghhh | weird. keeps doin it. oh well... | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | lol i bet it's droidwall | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | keep forgetting about that biatch | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | Line 140: 08-11 20:38:59.640 D/Sensors ( 1364): Or not... | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, why is D/Sensors saying "Or not..." over and over and over again... | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | i probably missed the original issue it's complaining about. damn buffer | 22:47 |
| jonpry | Detule, why would smd_close get called? | 22:54 |
| Detule | no clue don't see anything in the dmesg preceeding it | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure he would like to know | 22:55 |
| Detule | i have two logs saved form instances when my phone slows down to a crawl and it's in both dmesg | 22:56 |
| Detule | i just recompiled the kernel without that line in smd_close | 22:56 |
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| jonpry | Detule there was a hyc patch regarding smd hangup at some point | 23:01 |
| jonpry | from what i can tell that comment is correct though. not keeping smd channels open has a way of killing arm9 and forcing a reboot. | 23:02 |
| jonpry | and it doubtful that you really dont want a phone call so bad that you don't want it to reboot the phone | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | you obviously don't know who is calling me jonpry | 23:03 |
| jonpry | lol | 23:04 |
| jonpry | anywho this is no good: pppd: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0x4d0 | 23:04 |
| jonpry | thats the same old phone out of memory kind of stuff | 23:04 |
| Detule | it spews a bunch of stuff after that | 23:05 |
| jonpry | about the memory? | 23:05 |
| Detule | 2298.499359] [<c002b124>] (unwind_backtrace+0x0/0xe0) from [<c0097280>] (__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x5f4/0x66c) | 23:05 |
| Detule | [ 2298.499420] [<c0097280>] (__alloc_pages_nodemask+0x5f4/0x66c) from [<c00bbc4c>] (kmem_getpages.clone.47+0x2c/0x130) | 23:05 |
| Detule | [ 2298.499481] [<c00bbc4c>] (kmem_getpages.clone.47+0x2c/0x130) from [<c00bbee4>] (cache_grow.clone.57+0x90/0x174) | 23:05 |
| Detule | [ 2298.499542] [<c00bbee4>] (cache_grow.clone.57+0x90/0x174) from [<c00bc17c>] (cache_alloc_refill+0x1b4/0x210) | 23:05 |
| Detule | [ 2298.499572] [<c00bc17c>] (cache_alloc_refill+0x1b4/0x210) from [<c00bc27c>] (__kmalloc+0xa4/0x108) | 23:05 |
| Detule | [ 2298.499633] [<c00bc27c>] (__kmalloc+0xa4/0x108) from [<c02a3978>] (z_decomp_alloc+0x90/0xcc) | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | i think that's a yes | 23:06 |
| jonpry | who call z_decomp_alloc? | 23:06 |
| jonpry | and wth is that | 23:06 |
| jonpry | ugh z_decomp_alloc tried to get 64kb. that will never work | 23:08 |
| jonpry | Detule, maybe you can apply something like this? http://pastebin.com/GdZQTavs | 23:10 |
| jonpry | personally i have had bad luck with getting vmalloc to work | 23:11 |
| Detule | i saw that, i think it's there | 23:11 |
| Detule | already | 23:11 |
| Detule | wait no | 23:11 |
| Detule | nevermind | 23:11 |
| jonpry | apparently not | 23:11 |
| Detule | i saw another patch | 23:11 |
| Detule | is there any way i can force the smd channel to reset | 23:12 |
| Detule | it seems to precipitate the problem | 23:12 |
| jonpry | not that i know of | 23:13 |
| Detule | or maybe i have the causality reveresed | 23:13 |
| jonpry | looks like ppp_deflate is using vmalloc, but iirc that is just a define for kmalloc on newer kernels | 23:14 |
| jonpry | i think its that somehow the data smd channel is dying and being brought back up | 23:15 |
| jonpry | could be pppd in userland being killed for all i know | 23:16 |
| jonpry | then when it comes back up. ppp_deflate needs to allocate memory again, but this gets harder and harder as the system has uptime | 23:16 |
| jonpry | so lifes good near boot. but 8 hours later a pppd restart kills it | 23:17 |
| Detule | that makes sense | 23:17 |
| jonpry | maybe remove deflate from the .config? | 23:18 |
| jonpry | probably of limited utility anyways | 23:18 |
| Detule | i guess our ppp is not compressed? | 23:20 |
| jonpry | i think that stuff gets negotiated | 23:21 |
| jonpry | it may not work without deflate. but if it does there will be no kmalloc problems :p | 23:21 |
| Detule | cool, i'll give it a go tomorrow | 23:21 |
| Detule | thanks | 23:21 |
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