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| smiley- | when the devs did try to figure out how to collapse the panels did they have a look how its done in win mobile? | 06:22 |
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| smiley- | I guess there is model specific drivers there that can be disassembled? | 06:23 |
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| Recnamoruen | Any idea what would cause xdandroid not booting and just saying ignored duplicate definition forever | 07:07 |
| Recnamoruen | Nm, Fixed itself once I built my own data.img | 08:07 |
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| jadenq | can you have a sprint touch pro 2 on a virgin mobile account? virgin mobile is cdma so in theory it should work. | 10:26 |
| rpierce99 | people have done it, technically virgin mobile doesn't let you do it, so you have to scam a bit | 10:28 |
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| Detule | rpierce99: have you ever had issues with the adb server in os x not seeing your device | 10:29 |
| rpierce99 | on .39 | 10:29 |
| Detule | damnit | 10:29 |
| rpierce99 | jonpry didn't seem to care, it works in ubuntu | 10:30 |
| Detule | yeah it works fine in linux....this imac at work, even with a fedora virtualbox is giving me grief | 10:31 |
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| rpierce99 | i tiried the "throw the device id into some hidden file somewhere" trick and it didn't work either | 10:31 |
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| SpecR | gm | 10:34 |
| SpecR | hey mates, any comments on the rootfs from Jul-16th? | 10:36 |
| rpierce99 | commit 245f68a | 10:36 |
| rpierce99 | Author: Bryan Stine | 10:36 |
| rpierce99 | Date: Sat Jul 16 17:16:58 2011 -0400 | 10:36 |
| rpierce99 | Wifi rename transition sed needs to apply to eth0 as well, for RHOD | 10:36 |
| SpecR | what is the implication of this: Set ro.secure=1 to secure the shell. ? | 10:42 |
| rpierce99 | now when you adb in you have to su to be root, su will prompt on the phone using superuser | 10:43 |
| SpecR | ok tnx | 10:44 |
| SpecR | |woooo FRX07 | 10:49 |
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| SpecR | is it STABLE? | 10:56 |
| rpierce99 | FRX07 has been very stable for me, for some reason it feels slower, but that might be because i'm running looped instead of partitioned again | 10:57 |
| SpecR | looped is with data.img file? | 10:58 |
| rpierce99 | all of them are files instead of partitions | 11:00 |
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| kakao_ | hello? | 11:03 |
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| SpecR | so, the way to upgrade to FRX06 to 07 is to copy system-FRX07.ext2.zip content and the latest rootfs? | 11:07 |
| rpierce99 | I prefer to start from scratch with new builds, but that's just me | 11:07 |
| rpierce99 | but in theory if you upgrade rootfs, initrd, kernel, and system, you should be ok | 11:07 |
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| SpecR | IF (im just wandering) I install from scratch, do you know if titanium backup will be able to restore previously backuped apps, data? | 11:09 |
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| rpierce99 | isn't that the point of it? | 11:09 |
| rpierce99 | it restored my apps just fine, I don't use it to restore anything but that | 11:10 |
| SpecR | yeah, though wouldnt know how that behaves upon a mayor upgrade | 11:10 |
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| smiley- | looks like the new xperia is out next week here in .se \o/ | 11:20 |
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| arrrghhh | SpecR, mayor upgrade? just wandering? wth dude? | 11:31 |
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| SpecR | pardon my english | 11:34 |
| Timbuktu | Hello is it maybe possible that the Programm runs on an ppc? | 11:34 |
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| Timbuktu | Nobody knows? ^^ | 11:40 |
| arrrghhh | well the logs haven't caught up yet | 11:40 |
| arrrghhh | and i got d/c'd | 11:41 |
| SpecR | Timbuktu: I guess not, it is compiled for HTC uP, et al | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | so i don't even know what you said | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | Hello is it maybe possible that the Programm runs on an ppc? | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 11:41 |
| SpecR | O_O | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | technically these are all PPC's | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | pocketPC's? | 11:41 |
| arrrghhh | now what version is the question Timbuktu | 11:41 |
| SpecR | I understoood Apple PowerPC | 11:42 |
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| arrrghhh | SpecR, I'm assuming PocketPC | 11:43 |
| Timbuktu | No its an Dell Axim | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | Timbuktu, oh hell no | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | you should've said that | 11:43 |
| SpecR | hehe | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | Timbuktu, have you seen google? | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | http://axdroid.blogspot.com/2009/03/android-is-working.html | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | not sure how well it works | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | or if there's been any updates | 11:44 |
| Timbuktu | Hey there is an Android 2.2 works on the Axim but is search for better versions | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | but evidently it does work. | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | christ | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | then that's great! why do you need us | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | we work with HTC devices | 11:44 |
| ryannathans | lolz. | 11:45 |
| ryannathans | frx07 out officially yet? | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | i guess stine needs to add dell to the NO LG NO list hahah | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, been out for a week at least | 11:45 |
| ryannathans | 0.o | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | running on 2 | 11:45 |
| SpecR | ryannathans: im booting onto it :) | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | do you not read the forums? | 11:45 |
| Timbuktu | I try everything to get it better :-D | 11:45 |
| SpecR | only preserved calibration and startup files :) | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | Timbuktu, well we won't be much help, sorry. | 11:46 |
| ryannathans | i havent been able to do crap | 11:46 |
| ryannathans | no computer | 11:46 |
| ryannathans | im on my phone | 11:46 |
| ryannathans | xD | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | no excuses | 11:46 |
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| ryannathans | yes boss. | 11:46 |
| ryannathans | so anyways. time to upgrade phone tomorrow i guess | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:47 |
| ryannathans | <.< | 11:47 |
| ryannathans | i got me new computer all build and ready. | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | k | 11:48 |
| ryannathans | just gotta install windoze and linux | 11:48 |
| SpecR | mine (at home) is almost dead :( | 11:48 |
| ryannathans | then i shall get back on teh forums | 11:48 |
| ryannathans | i bought the best of everythings in my new pc. | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | how nice for you | 11:48 |
| ryannathans | after all, i coulndt run an it business without a boss computer | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i'm sure you have customers knocking down your door.... lol | 11:49 |
| jadenq | what was the final price? | 11:49 |
| ryannathans | so anyways. ima head off and keep you guys busy tomorrow, with all the bugs im going to find xD | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | thanks, dick. | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | final price for my rig? wholesale 2300$ | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | hehe | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | lova ya too | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | night | 11:50 |
| jadenq | nice. what cpu are you running | 11:50 |
| arrrghhh | cya | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | 1100T until the bulldozers come out | 11:50 |
| ryannathans | and all teh new ones | 11:50 |
| jadenq | sounds sweet | 11:51 |
| ryannathans | asus sabertooth 990fx mobo so new cpus are compatible | 11:51 |
| ryannathans | im off. | 11:51 |
| SpecR | i'd be happy with a macbook pro | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | i'd vomit on a macbook pro | 11:51 |
| ryannathans | ^^ | 11:51 |
| jadenq | over priced | 11:51 |
| SpecR | mbp would as well vomit on you | 11:51 |
| SpecR | or worse | 11:51 |
| jadenq | macs are over priced pieces of shit | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | i looked at them, but i can't pay that much for outdated garbage. | 11:52 |
| SpecR | and you've used it for like ... 2 years? | 11:53 |
| jadenq | i agree 100% | 11:53 |
| SpecR | happy comparissons wihtout trying a product | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, i've never purchased anything apple. | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | i looked at 'em a few times as i was in the market for a new lappy | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | their junk was way more expensive, and you don't even get standard ports... | 11:54 |
| SpecR | I guess I dont use them ports... I tried the my 1st mac after 7 years of lunix | 11:55 |
| jadenq | your paying for the logo. | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | lunix | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, you're brilliant | 11:55 |
| SpecR | I thought that word was used everywhere else for linux | 11:56 |
| jadenq | i think he meant linux | 11:56 |
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| arrrghhh | SpecR, bwhahahahahaa | 12:02 |
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| jadenq | Has anyone tried out Chromium? | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | OS? | 12:21 |
| jadenq | yes | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | not i | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | can you install it on any hardware? | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | i was thinking about it, but i don't want to buy a laptop that'll only run that | 12:23 |
| jadenq | http://chromeos.hexxeh.net/ | 12:24 |
| jadenq | this guy made it possible to run off of usb | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | i'll check it out, thanks. new lappy should like it (hopefully) | 12:25 |
| jadenq | i am going to try it too | 12:26 |
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| jadenq | arrrghhh: what is your new laptop | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, it's an hp dv6 | 12:52 |
| jadenq | arrrghhh nice mine is a hp dv7 | 12:53 |
| arrrghhh | i'm having a maddening issue with it tho | 12:53 |
| arrrghhh | the graphics switching crap doesn't work for OpenGL | 12:54 |
| arrrghhh | what model is yours? | 12:54 |
| rpierce99 | i take it the replacement didn't fix your issues arrrghhh | 12:54 |
| jadenq | arrrghhh: this is my exact model http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157726 | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, haven't gotten the replacement | 13:01 |
| arrrghhh | but it won't fix it | 13:01 |
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| arrrghhh | jadenq, oh that one won't have the issues i speak of | 13:02 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, the replacement won't fix the issue. supposedly HP is going to release a BIOS update that will let you choose fixed or dynamic in the BIOS | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | then you can choose accordingly in Windoze. obviously if it's on dynamic, opengl will still never work | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | but at least there's a fixed option so i can force the use of the card... | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | (in theory, assuming they are true to their word) | 13:04 |
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| jadenq | is there an easy mms fix for the rhod400 i can send just fine but i cant receive | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | if you can send you s/b able to receive | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | what build are you on | 17:14 |
| jadenq | froyo | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | FRX07? | 17:15 |
| jadenq | yeah | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | ok... | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | did you set up your APN? | 17:15 |
| jadenq | yep thats why i can send | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | then you s/b able to receive as well | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | that's all you need. | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | FRX07 + correctly configured APN | 17:15 |
| rpierce99 | what happens when you are supposed to receive the mms | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'd assume nothing, but i should stop assuming. | 17:16 |
| rpierce99 | well there's a diff between not getting anything and getting the text w/ no pic, etc | 17:16 |
| jadenq | hmm i dont know either. i tried sending to myself it left ok and showed up on the sprint mms page but didnt come to phone | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, true | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, did you include any text? | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | or just a pic | 17:17 |
| jadenq | i didnt get anything | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | fuck | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | when you sent the message | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | was it just a pic | 17:17 |
| jadenq | yeah | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | or did you include text along with a pic | 17:17 |
| jadenq | just pic | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 17:17 |
| rpierce99 | what carrier | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | sprint | 17:17 |
| jadenq | sprint rhod400 | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | it's on sprint? | 17:17 |
| rpierce99 | well i know it's a sprint phone | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, sorry i thought he said sprint. | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | yes, he did. | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | "and showed up on the sprint mms page" | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | in a backwards way :P | 17:18 |
| rpierce99 | well i didn't read that far | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | i thought he mentioned it. | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | well read then | 17:18 |
| jadenq | lol | 17:18 |
| rpierce99 | shuddup | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, hum... i'm not sure why you wouldn't receive anything. where did you send it from? | 17:19 |
| jadenq | should i try to send a pic with text? | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | you sent it to your sprint number, not a google voice number or smth? | 17:19 |
| jadenq | my phone | 17:19 |
| rpierce99 | i'd need to see logs to know for sure what's going on | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | wait | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | you sent a text from your phone to your phone? | 17:19 |
| jadenq | yeah | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | a MMS sorry | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | is that a good test...? | 17:19 |
| jadenq | idk | 17:19 |
| rpierce99 | no idea | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think it is (but i don't know) | 17:19 |
| jadenq | its working on wm | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, just for my personal edification, send one from another phone | 17:19 |
| jadenq | kk | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | then get logs as rpierce99 stated | 17:19 |
| jadenq | i will test that | 17:19 |
| arrrghhh | (assuming it doesn't work) | 17:20 |
| jadenq | i think it works i just think it is a user error | 17:20 |
| jadenq | :p | 17:20 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps | 17:20 |
| arrrghhh | i've been able to send & receive MMS, assuming they send it to my F@#%%^^@ sprint number. | 17:20 |
| arrrghhh | i wish GV would just forward the MMS on... maddening. | 17:20 |
| rpierce99 | jadenq: you know how to pull logs? | 17:21 |
| jadenq | mmm kinda | 17:21 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99 wrote a fancy app | 17:21 |
| jadenq | i know i have to adb | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | it's in AndroidApps\Other. Move it to AndroidApps | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | well that works too | 17:22 |
| rpierce99 | don't bother with adb | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | his app is for the lazy, IE me. | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, lol | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | if he already has it... | 17:22 |
| rpierce99 | no | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | maybe? | 17:22 |
| rpierce99 | so you want him to write the output of 6 different commands to a file, then paste the file to pastebin | 17:22 |
| rpierce99 | because i don't want half assed logs | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | you mac phanbois sure are picky | 17:23 |
| * arrrghhh runs | 17:23 | |
| jadenq | oh mac | 17:23 |
| jadenq | downward look of shame | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | the only people who seem to genuinely get usage out of that horrid OS are professional artists & musicians. | 17:24 |
| jadenq | and maybe amateur video editors | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | which i am neither, so i will probably never own a mac. | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | amateurs can use amateur software. | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | there's plenty of options for amateurs. | 17:25 |
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| jadenq | i am saying the video software on the mac is really only for amateur use | 17:26 |
| arrrghhh | LOL | 17:27 |
| arrrghhh | i see | 17:27 |
| arrrghhh | holy poop. don't go bouncing a check, NSF fees keep climbing! | 17:27 |
| jadenq | what are they at now? | 17:28 |
| arrrghhh | man every fee is increasing | 17:28 |
| arrrghhh | well it depends on the bank obviously | 17:28 |
| jadenq | true | 17:28 |
| arrrghhh | but we were at $31, and now it's going up to $34.. | 17:28 |
| jadenq | good God | 17:28 |
| arrrghhh | seriously | 17:28 |
| arrrghhh | we're not the most expensive either | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | we're never the cheapest tho... damned banks. | 17:29 |
| rpierce99 | with all the dough you're raking in from this sweet xdandroid gig why are you bouncing checks, come on man | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:29 |
| rpierce99 | oh thats right | 17:29 |
| rpierce99 | you work for the bank | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't bounced a check in years... | 17:29 |
| stinebd | i haven't written a check in years | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | ditto | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | but you know what i mean | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | debit cards can incur NSF fees as well... | 17:30 |
| stinebd | i don't even know if i have any checks | 17:30 |
| stinebd | mine can't | 17:31 |
| stinebd | got too much money in the account | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure it could if you had an automatic... lol nvm. | 17:31 |
| jadenq | if i just changed my apn do i need to reboot? or cycle phone | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | i wish i had that problem :P | 17:31 |
| rpierce99 | i'm a big fan of the "take the money out of the account in the order of greatest to smallest at the end of the day" method so that you could take out one giant bill (car, mortgage, etc) and then every $.99 stop at the gas station or candy store costs you $35 | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, neither | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | should take immediately | 17:31 |
| jadenq | kk | 17:32 |
| arrrghhh | jadenq, the APN is selected? the radio button is highlighted green? | 17:32 |
| rpierce99 | apn has nothing to do with incoming mms, fwiw | 17:32 |
| stinebd | [17:31:43] <arrrghhh> i'm sure it could if you had an automatic... lol nvm. | 17:32 |
| jadenq | yes | 17:32 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, that happened to me when i was in college. somehow got nailed with 18 separate NSF fees. | 17:32 |
| stinebd | if you were getting at automatic payments, i do | 17:32 |
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| arrrghhh | rpierce99, MMSC would have a lot to do with incoming MMS I would think... | 17:33 |
| rpierce99 | nope | 17:33 |
| arrrghhh | really? | 17:33 |
| stinebd | they cut my spending off at like 1500 a day so even if i tried to overdraft it it'd take me a couple days of spending | 17:33 |
| rpierce99 | sprint sends the download link in the mms body | 17:33 |
| rpierce99 | mmsc is only used to send an outgoing message to the server | 17:33 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 17:33 |
| arrrghhh | well what could hang up reception of MMS then smarty pants | 17:33 |
| rpierce99 | exceptions being thrown in pduparser | 17:34 |
| arrrghhh | i thought APN would be the only thing, assuming he's got the fancy new RIL and Mms.apk | 17:34 |
| arrrghhh | i mean user-error issues with reception | 17:34 |
| stinebd | the solution is to not use crappy cdma carriers | 17:34 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 17:34 |
| arrrghhh | i'm a cheap bastard. so long as CDMA is cheap, i don't see myself changing. | 17:35 |
| stinebd | but it's no cheaper than everybody else | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | for regular consumers perhaps | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't really compared plans in ages | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | haven't needed to | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | shite... | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, this keymap thing is boggling my tiny brain | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16020310&postcount=116 | 17:36 |
| stinebd | this better not be that guy again | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | it is | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | i'm hoping you can make some sense out of it | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't had any other keymap complaints | 17:36 |
| stinebd | we don't have to support people who modify their phones | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | so either people aren't having an issue, or... they just haven't noticed? i figured one of the three RAPH users would speak up. | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | he's claiming it works as expected with older rootfs' | 17:37 |
| stinebd | good for him | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | that's the only reason i passed it on... again. | 17:38 |
| stinebd | forgive me for being apathetic | 17:38 |
| stinebd | but until someone with a regular device will give us feedback, it's useless to even try | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | have you tried? | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | you have a 110, right? | 17:38 |
| stinebd | tried what? | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | wtf... | 17:38 |
| stinebd | yes | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | tried what he's bitching about | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | newest rootfs, does + work | 17:39 |
| stinebd | i haven't even read it | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | of course you haven't | 17:39 |
| stinebd | i thought this was the guy | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | silly of me to assume you had... | 17:39 |
| stinebd | that took some keyboard out of something and put it in something else | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | he's your guy | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | it is | 17:39 |
| stinebd | then i don't care what he has to say | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | based on his description tho, this works with older rootfs' | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | you can't even attempt it to see if it's true or not? | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | i would if i had a 110 | 17:39 |
| stinebd | i can but i won't | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | awesome. | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | meh. raph users can rot i guess... | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | CDMA ones already are | 17:40 |
| stinebd | MINUS '-' '-' '-' '-' '+' '+' | 17:40 |
| stinebd | they keymap is correct | 17:40 |
| stinebd | the last two columns are fn and caps+fn | 17:41 |
| stinebd | the* | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | k | 17:41 |
| emwe | btw, can we have topa end-key = home, too? | 17:41 |
| stinebd | until i next boot my raph for something i'm not going to bother pursuing it | 17:41 |
| stinebd | emwe: of course | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | nbd | 17:41 |
| emwe | it falls back to qwerty.kcl or however that is called. | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | i still need to figure out how to get this RAPH800 to even boot | 17:41 |
| stinebd | what's topa in the keymaps? | 17:41 |
| stinebd | emwe: we should add a simple topa keymap directory then | 17:42 |
| stinebd | but we need someone with the device | 17:42 |
| emwe | lol | 17:42 |
| emwe | i am keymapping ignorant. | 17:42 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: btw we need rhod100_nl -> rhod100_uk right? | 17:42 |
| stinebd | a symlink if i understand correctly | 17:43 |
| emwe | can we just define a keymap to use when detecting topa on init and not rely on physkeyboard? | 17:43 |
| arrrghhh | why would we even need to create a nl version if it's identical to the uk version... | 17:43 |
| stinebd | we don't | 17:43 |
| stinebd | we need to symlink it i guess | 17:43 |
| stinebd | since some joker had it that way in the old rootfs | 17:43 |
| arrrghhh | mmmhmmmm | 17:44 |
| stinebd | just like someone had fuze spelled fuse | 17:44 |
| stinebd | (ugh) | 17:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:44 |
| stinebd | you're really gonna make me boot this god damn thing aren't you | 17:44 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 17:45 |
| stinebd | i hate you so much | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | i'm as apathetic as the next guy | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | i just know you have the device | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | and you love booting it for trivial reasons | 17:45 |
| stinebd | i love throwing it at the wall too but i don't do that all the time | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | maybe you should start. | 17:45 |
| stinebd | (i do) | 17:45 |
| stinebd | sometimes i miss and it goes out the window instead | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | close your window, problem solved | 17:46 |
| stinebd | sigh | 17:47 |
| stinebd | probably gotta update all this junk | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | bug confirmed? | 17:47 |
| stinebd | no | 17:48 |
| stinebd | i need to do stuff | 17:48 |
| stinebd | like copy new rootfs | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | lol ok | 17:48 |
| stinebd | copy new system image | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 17:48 |
| stinebd | clean off some porn so they all fit on the card | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | hrm... pr0n or XDAndroid... | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | i'd find a way to keep both | 17:48 |
| emwe | must be low-res then | 17:48 |
| stinebd | i need to set up a kernel-latest.tar.bz2 redirect | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | t'would be nice | 17:49 |
| stinebd | well then i won't | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | ok, it would be an atrocity and a crime against humanity. good? | 17:50 |
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| stinebd | yeesh | 17:50 |
| stinebd | all we're talking about is a little apache rewrite, we're not burning jews here | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | you're not perhaps. | 17:51 |
| stinebd | question | 17:55 |
| arrrghhh | shoot | 17:56 |
| stinebd | he's using physkeyboard=raph? | 17:57 |
| stinebd | which btw we don't have the source for | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | seems to be, let me doublecheck | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | we don't have source for it...? | 17:58 |
| stinebd | nope | 17:58 |
| stinebd | the .kcm.bin we don't have a source for | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't think any of the keymaps were closed... | 17:58 |
| stinebd | which is what controls the fn and caps combos | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | how did we get that file? is it from winmo? | 17:58 |
| stinebd | don't know where it came from | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | yea he was complaining that wasn't working right | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | madness... | 17:58 |
| stinebd | that's why we have raphfix | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't think any of that stuff was proprietary. i figured we had to rebuild it from scratch | 17:58 |
| stinebd | it's not proprietary | 17:59 |
| stinebd | but we never had a source file for it | 17:59 |
| stinebd | whoever contributed it didn't leave a straight .kcm | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | bleh | 17:59 |
| stinebd | i instituted the authoritarian source-requried policy for those as a result | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | yea, that's obnoxious. | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | i knew we had some .bin's in the rootfs, but i figured the source was floating around the tree somewheres. never looked into it. | 18:01 |
| emwe | how are these kcm compiled into bin? | 18:02 |
| stinebd | a program in the aosp tree | 18:02 |
| stinebd | conveniently named kcm | 18:02 |
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| emwe | stinebd: /cache and /tmp have been mounted on sd always, not just recently, right? | 18:06 |
| stinebd | yeah | 18:06 |
| stinebd | not enough ram on diam | 18:06 |
| stinebd | for tmpfs | 18:06 |
| emwe | any new mounts on sd since a while? | 18:07 |
| stinebd | .android_secure since froyo | 18:07 |
| emwe | this high io is driving me nuts on .35 | 18:07 |
| stinebd | question | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | answer | 18:13 |
| stinebd | um | 18:14 |
| stinebd | raphfix works for me | 18:14 |
| stinebd | so he can use that | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | explain. | 18:20 |
| stinebd | raphfix | 18:20 |
| stinebd | physkeyboard=raphfix | 18:20 |
| stinebd | works | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 18:20 |
| stinebd | going to replace original raph with that | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | but physkeyboard=raph does not? | 18:20 |
| stinebd | in new rootfs | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 18:20 |
| stinebd | that wasn't a quesiton | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | in new rootfs, raph doesn't work? | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:21 |
| stinebd | stop asking | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | you've lost me, but i don't really care so long as it fixes this dudes issue. | 18:21 |
| stinebd | the problem is solved | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:21 |
| emwe | stinebd: are you able to invent a "physkeyb"-less solution for non-keyboard/non-keyboard-variant devices? | 18:22 |
| stinebd | emwe: no | 18:22 |
| emwe | stinebd: like define a var on machine detection and use that if physkeyb is not set? | 18:22 |
| stinebd | i can't do the keymaps | 18:23 |
| stinebd | someone with the device needs to test them | 18:23 |
| stinebd | it's trivial to do the logic in rootfs init | 18:23 |
| emwe | that'd be me then. likely just copying what rhod does it seems. | 18:23 |
| xdandroid | New rootfs available (20110726-a2152b0) at: http://is.gd/dSdgF9 -- Changes at: http://is.gd/6oRs78 | 18:23 |
| stinebd | well | 18:23 |
| stinebd | can't we just use a rhod keymap for it? | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | i really do hate that gitorious is blocked @ work | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | Company access policy blocks access to this web site ( http://gitorious.org/xdandroid/rootfs/commit/a2152b0 ) because the web category "File Transfer Services" is not allowed. | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | ha. nice fix stine :P | 18:24 |
| stinebd | it doesn't have a keyboard so the microp-keypad stuff will just be ignored | 18:24 |
| emwe | stinebd: i think so, yes. we could use it for blac, too, no? | 18:24 |
| stinebd | don't know | 18:24 |
| emwe | so some default qwerty.kl. but yes, that rhod one should do i think. need to test. | 18:25 |
| emwe | their qwerty.kl should be all identical, no? | 18:25 |
| stinebd | for rhod? yes (except tilt2 would have an extra ptt button) | 18:26 |
| emwe | ah, and cam i see | 18:26 |
| stinebd | that'd be ptt | 18:26 |
| emwe | so i'd propose a "default" one | 18:26 |
| emwe | aha | 18:26 |
| emwe | were would that be placed? default folder? | 18:27 |
| stinebd | no | 18:27 |
| stinebd | right now there's not a pretty way to do it because everything is all screwed up | 18:27 |
| stinebd | the best way to do it right now is to just use something like rhod210 for topaz (and whatever other non-keyboard device it will work with) | 18:28 |
| stinebd | so in init we'd do if $HW=TOPAZ || $HW=BLACKSTONE ; KBD=rhod210 | 18:29 |
| stinebd | (pseudocode) | 18:29 |
| stinebd | the "default" directory is just the old raph layout | 18:30 |
| emwe | ok, thanks for that introductory lesson. | 18:31 |
| stinebd | it'd be nice to have a directory tree for these layouts | 18:31 |
| stinebd | with a directory for each device, and inside those, a directory for each language variant | 18:31 |
| stinebd | like raph/en_us raph/en_us_att raph/de raph/en_uk etc | 18:32 |
| arrrghhh | would be nice | 18:32 |
| stinebd | we can detect the device automatically | 18:32 |
| stinebd | and then the user could set kblang=... | 18:33 |
| stinebd | in a device, they can all share the same qwerty.kl (or raph_navi_pad.kl) and we can just keep a different .kcm.bin in each lang directory | 18:34 |
| stinebd | then we could symlink diam -> raph, topa -> rhod, etc | 18:34 |
| stinebd | any ideas on how to detect the variant of a device is welcome, of course | 18:35 |
| emwe | wasn't htc_hw exposing the variant? | 18:35 |
| emwe | of course not on .35 :P | 18:35 |
| stinebd | rhod only i think | 18:35 |
| stinebd | not sure | 18:35 |
| emwe | ah yap | 18:35 |
| emwe | gtg. too late already. | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | g'nite emwe | 18:36 |
| emwe | nite arrrghhh and stinebd. | 18:36 |
| stinebd | night | 18:37 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: would you be willing to implement those changes? | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | be more than happy to | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | re - device detection... how to do that? if you're unsure, i'd be lost :P | 18:39 |
| stinebd | device detection is done already | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | oh? | 18:39 |
| stinebd | you get the HW variable in init | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | oic you said variant | 18:40 |
| stinebd | i'm just messing with you, i'll do it | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | not device in general | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | i think i knew what you needed, but ok. | 18:40 |
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| stinebd | arrrghhh pm | 18:43 |
| stinebd | its funny | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | lol ok | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | AT> AT+CLCC <--- should signify an incoming call, right? | 18:54 |
| stinebd | looks like it lists calls | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | this is so odd... hyc seems like he's going to be busy for the next decade | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | not sure who else to bug with this issue. problem definitely seems RIL/radio related... | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | i don't get why it only started cropping up with FRX07 tho. | 18:58 |
| stinebd | logcat me | 18:59 |
| rpierce99 | i don't have the issue, fyi | 18:59 |
| stinebd | -b radio | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, i don't either | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | well | 19:00 |
| stinebd | hyc is inactive for months | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | at least not this incarnation of it | 19:00 |
| rpierce99 | i don't have any incarnation | 19:00 |
| stinebd | he has another project | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, i have full getlogs output | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i saw... | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | so it seems everyone experiences it differently. i haven't had the issue in a while, but i don't use the phone much as a phone. | 19:00 |
| stinebd | link | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | this particular RHOD400 (Sprint) user basically misses the vast majority of his calls when the phone is sleeping. it just goes to voicemail | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | 1 sec | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | http://pastebin.com/LDVB5mie | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | that's after a reboot, attempt to call, goes to vm, then he used getlogs to pull 'em. | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | i have another log with some successful calls in it. i asked him to pull a fresh log cuz the other successful calls were confusing me. but here's that log. | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | http://pastebin.com/FjCHgYbX | 19:02 |
| rpierce99 | could radio version make a difference? | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure it could | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | but i don't see why the RIL didn't have issues being shoehorned into FRX06 | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | this user (and me) have been running the new RIL on 06 for... ages. | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | never had problems like this until 07. | 19:03 |
| stinebd | any gsm users have these issues? | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think i have logs tho... | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | i want to say a few tmo users reported this exact issue | 19:07 |
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| arrrghhh | hey there's the gentleman now | 19:08 |
| fishingmedic | lol, looked at the logs and saw you talking about me | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | slanderous lies i'm sure | 19:09 |
| stinebd | i think it's user error | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:10 |
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| stinebd | rpierce99: ping | 19:21 |
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| rpierce99 | yo | 19:29 |
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| rpierce99 | stinebd: pong | 19:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:30 |
| fishingmedic | got booted before I could finish my response before. It's most def user error but I need to be able to blame someone or my wifes gonna kill me for always sending her to VM | 19:31 |
| stinebd | rpierce99: regarding getlogs, what is its license? | 19:32 |
| rpierce99 | i posted it on google code which made me pick something, but I don't remember what i picked, and i honestly have no idea what any of them are | 19:32 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:32 |
| stinebd | oh okay let me check the project page | 19:33 |
| stinebd | Code license GNU GPL v3 | 19:33 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, no idea what that means, think i picked something i recognized | 19:33 |
| stinebd | i'd like to add code to build it in our tree and put it in a git repo (which is obviously required for building it in the tree) | 19:34 |
| rpierce99 | yeah do what you wanna do man, no beef here | 19:34 |
| stinebd | would you be interested in maintaining it in the future? | 19:34 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, there have been some bug reports that I've though about touching up, but it's been like one random guy with weird phone setups and haven't felt like digging into it, but feature requests or major issues i can do | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | the only thing i'd like to see is hyc's fancy timestamp fix on dmesg logs. | 19:35 |
| stinebd | that would be easy | 19:36 |
| rpierce99 | yeah we either need to build in a new dmesg or add a 2nd one and use that in the app | 19:36 |
| stinebd | just add his modified dmesg code and build a binary for the app to use | 19:36 |
| stinebd | the dmesg would be stored in the apk then | 19:36 |
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| stinebd | i envision a grand scheme where users can upload that crap directly to our server, tagged by xda name or some nonsense | 19:38 |
| stinebd | sorta like an automated pastebin | 19:39 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 19:39 |
| raymonddull | that would be awesome | 19:46 |
| rpierce99 | add it to the force close button :P | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | lolol | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | crap | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | i can't seem to find any GSM users with this radio/RIL/whateverthefuck problem. | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | i thought there was at least one... oy. | 19:53 |
| stinebd | you know what the worst part of being an xdandroid developer is? | 19:55 |
| stinebd | you don't get to look forward to the next release | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | no XDAndroid bitches? | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:56 |
| stinebd | actually i know a girl that uses it | 19:56 |
| stinebd | i haven't told her who i am yet | 19:56 |
| stinebd | in relation to the project | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | what's wrong with you | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | work that shite | 19:57 |
| stinebd | she's asian, i don't wanna be one of "those guys" | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 19:58 |
| stinebd | well maybe i do, not sure | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | maybe she's into 'those guys' | 19:59 |
| stinebd | depends how asian i guess | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:59 |
| rpierce99 | stinebd: you don't need to look forward to the next release, because if your'e doing it right you get the next release long before anyone else | 20:00 |
| stinebd | right | 20:00 |
| rpierce99 | for, uhhhhhh..... testing, yeah thats it | 20:00 |
| stinebd | i miss the excitement for new releases | 20:00 |
| stinebd | i would've been shitting bricks for frx07 | 20:00 |
| stinebd | instead, it's just "thank god thats over" | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | that does kinda suck bro... | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | how can we put the excitement back in it for you? gimp suit maybe? | 20:01 |
| stinebd | free hookers | 20:01 |
| stinebd | not asian | 20:02 |
| rpierce99 | stinebd: as the all powerful me i grant you the power to pull enough scratch from the xdandroid fund for one non-asian non-fat semi-pretty hooker | 20:02 |
| stinebd | we don't have enough | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | LOL | 20:03 |
| stinebd | spitzer's girl was like $2000 a night | 20:03 |
| rpierce99 | well if you'd stop giving it to noobs like arrrghhh | 20:03 |
| rpierce99 | i didn't say high class call girl | 20:03 |
| rpierce99 | i said hooker | 20:03 |
| stinebd | uh | 20:03 |
| stinebd | don't be mistaken here | 20:03 |
| stinebd | she wasn't high class or a call girl | 20:03 |
| * rpierce99 has no idea how much hookers charge, they always said like $100 on cops | 20:03 | |
| stinebd | she was just expensive | 20:04 |
| * stinebd knows exactly how much they charge but don't tell anyone or ask why | 20:04 | |
| arrrghhh | lolol | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | they always said like $100 on cops. classic. | 20:04 |
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| arrrghhh | shit. | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | ok, i found a GSM user with some form of this bug.. | 20:06 |
| stinebd | lol "some form" | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | but he's a Steelers fan. | 20:06 |
| stinebd | as in his keyboard is wrong | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | no the RIL/radio/wtfever bug | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | 1 question my phone keep going no service? | 20:06 |
| stinebd | sorry, i don't deal with football fans in general | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | so i'm not sure if he is experiencing it or not, but from that great description it appears he is... | 20:07 |
| stinebd | wait a minute | 20:07 |
| stinebd | step back | 20:07 |
| stinebd | we were talking about calls not waking the device up | 20:07 |
| rpierce99 | no arrrghhh is combining many potentially unrelated issues into one, like any good lead tester does :P | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | LOL | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, there's been many forms of this bug | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | that seem radio/RIL related | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | service dropping | 20:08 |
| stinebd | i wouldn't consider the no service thing a form of that bug | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | people not being able to send calls but can receive | 20:08 |
| stinebd | in fact the only apparent common denominator is that it's probably a ril issue | 20:09 |
| stinebd | maybe we have lots of ril issues | 20:09 |
| stinebd | gonna be tough to do the no-wakeup bug | 20:10 |
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| stinebd | got no cdma service | 20:10 |
| stinebd | unless i can get angry sprint guy to call me | 20:11 |
| stinebd | i wish you could do that trick like with a landline, where you take the phone off the hook several times in a row and it dials the operator | 20:11 |
| stinebd | then i could just tell her to call me back | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh_ | damnit jim | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh_ | wtf | 20:12 |
| stinebd | assuming freaking audio worked | 20:12 |
| stinebd | also assuming the operator is a woman </sexist> | 20:12 |
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| stinebd | arrrghhh_ clearly ircing from his cdma rhod | 20:13 |
| stinebd | service quite spotty | 20:13 |
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| arrrghhh | stinebd, not sure if it's spotty service or just the phone being its usual self... | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | but either way, some dude posted with an odd radio issue on a GSM device | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | but the bastard only posted radio logs.. | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, don't give them checkboxes | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:59 |
| rpierce99 | once it's in the tree stinebd can delete the checkboxes :) | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | oh well. just nice to have that comparison... as if i know what i'm really lookin fer | 23:01 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i'm not sure you'd see anything in kernel or system for that issue anyways | 23:01 |
| rpierce99 | maybe in system you'd get the launch of the .apk | 23:01 |
| rpierce99 | oh wait this isn't the missed call issue | 23:01 |
| rpierce99 | haha | 23:01 |
| arrrghhh | well i mean for correlating the timestamps | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | so you can say this is where it started, and look at that area in the other log... | 23:03 |
| stinebd | only dmesg would help with the missed call issue in that regard | 23:05 |
| stinebd | need to find the timestamp of it waking up | 23:05 |
| stinebd | android itself is apparently totally unresponsive | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | well there's some radio logs if you want to look at 'em | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | i | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | er | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | i'll open a bug and put all these logs in it. wildly assuming that this issue is all related | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | just seems suspicious to me | 23:22 |
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