Tuesday, 2011-07-05

adkzi got stuck with some bug i think on the leedriod rom00:00
adkzhad to flash back all over aagain thinking i did some mistake and yes I really did some mistake00:00
madplayahaha, it work now ?00:00
adkzworking now00:00
adkzxda forum had most of the answer00:00
adkzthe first problem I had was creating a gold card, some even told me if I know how to do the hexing LOL00:01
madplayalol i hate sense it creates to many folders on my sd00:02
adkzwell mejority of them were being sarcastic, then i stoped acting and just posted and quention them back but they could not answer me in the end :(00:03
adkz*question00:03
adkzsense 3.0?00:03
madplayaat least you did most of it on your on, and sense 2.1 just folders of thumbnails for each app htc apps.00:04
madplayanow flashing mikmik roms with some htc sense 3.0 features00:05
* adkz want sense 3.000:05
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EdganAnyone know about the ram console?00:06
adkzi tried installing that funky ring thing as a addon and no.. it runs much better on sensation then my 1ghz phone lol it is a waste to use it on my phone00:06
adkzlags00:07
madplayalol ah, for me its kinda of the same thing for me as sense 2.1 , my friend has a evo3d played around with it, eh wasn't feeling it. i'm gonna see how that lockscreen works on my shift.00:08
adkzdid it lag on his evo3d?00:08
madplayano, fast as hell lol00:11
adkz:(00:12
adkzmy old x1 died when I wanted to wait for sansation to be on the local telco here00:12
adkzsensation00:13
adkzand 4 days after i got my desire hd, sensation came out with only 100 bucks difference00:13
madplayalol .. ugh my phone is stuck at the htc logo boot... should've researched the relase date :p00:14
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adkzlol00:16
adkzroll back to recovery xD00:16
madplayaYES IT booted wipe dalvik cache, and data installed manualy instead of rom manager and it worked. boot screen now. I wanna try out the lockscreen00:17
adkznice? xD00:17
madplayahey no lag on the lockscreen 800mhz only no oc lol00:19
adkz:O00:25
* adkz stab madplaya00:25
adkzi try installing it later on again after lunch, chat with you later00:25
madplayahahaha try it again man, alright i think im going to get shut eye its 1230am here00:25
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Striker_hey, i'm thinking about putting android on my Sprint touch diamond.  Whenever I restart the device, I have to manually boot into android, correct?00:41
Striker_and this installation will not affect the Windows mobile already on the system?00:41
Striker_One more question, I'll be placing the android files on the internal storage, this will not erase or affect any files/documents already in the internal storage?00:42
madplayayes, you have to manually start boot it and no it wont. you cant boot from the internal storage00:45
Striker_where can I boot from, if not the internal storage?  The touch diamond does not have a SD card, only internal storage00:46
madplayaread it wrong, well i use a touch pro 2 i use an sdcard... im not sure about touch diamond00:48
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adkzi just notice my weather widget force close01:40
Striker_one more question, is the current build of android for the HTC devices largely usable?  Do you find yourself switching to windows mobile often, or rarely?02:44
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adkzsigh.. just when i thought i be getting into the new sense 3 look, now I am looking at leedroid logo only02:58
smiley-Striker_: with the latest kernel it's very usable..  I had almost a week of uptime03:02
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Totem-Schalterim trying to find out what My G1 is calling my network adapter . its not showing up as eth0 and ifconfig does not list .. im using this "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905261" guide to run BT5 and the script is failing04:09
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Totem-Schalteri was using this link to run BT5 on G1 .. im getting error " http://paste.ubuntu.com/638273/ "  when using this script " http://paste.ubuntu.com/638271/ " im not shure what i can edit to loose the error04:33
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emwearrrghhh: you around?14:50
arrrghhhjust got back from lunch.14:50
arrrghhhwhat's up?14:51
emweare you able to fetch me logcat from your rhod during enabling gps?14:51
emweon froyo that is.14:51
arrrghhhoh sure14:51
arrrghhhdo i need to get a lock?14:51
emwea logcat | grep -i "gps" would be sufficient i think14:52
arrrghhhor just enable14:52
emweno, just the start of it14:52
arrrghhh.27 OK?14:52
emweyeah, totally.14:52
emwe"gps state initialized" should be the last thing.14:52
emwewith some pdsm_client_* in between.14:53
arrrghhhwoah14:53
arrrghhhthat was quick14:53
arrrghhhlet me shoot this to ya, 1 sec14:53
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arrrghhhhttp://pastebin.com/FsLT4ZHW14:54
emweno hurries. looking at gps on gb since yesterday. no clue so far...14:54
arrrghhhemwe, is that sufficient? ^^14:54
emweyap, fine! da3.. that's what i have been looking for.14:54
arrrghhhi didn't even enable GPS in the sense of opening maps14:54
emweno, just fine.14:54
arrrghhhi just ticked the enable box in settings ;)14:54
arrrghhhkk14:54
emwethanks arrrghhh !14:54
arrrghhhnp14:54
arrrghhhalways happy to help14:54
arrrghhhso my buddy got his evo3d today.  that thing is huge...14:56
arrrghhhthe 3d is actually pretty impressive... but it's like magic eye - you have to look at it just right.14:56
smiley-a guy I know got a HTC senseation yesterday14:57
smiley-he sold it on the local ebay today14:57
emwei think i lost track about all those new htc models.14:57
smiley-"I have never been this disapointed with a product I have bought ever"14:57
emweall i know is they are bigger then our devices :)14:57
arrrghhhsmiley-, wtf14:57
smiley-I said the same14:57
arrrghhhemwe, dual core14:58
emweah, so they can leave jit off ;)14:59
arrrghhhlol14:59
smiley-don't know what he didnt like.. probably htc sense14:59
arrrghhhwe leave jit off :P14:59
arrrghhhsense 3.0 isn't bad15:01
arrrghhhstill bloat15:01
arrrghhhbut some aspects are nice15:01
arrrghhhi like the new lock screen w/quick access to apps15:01
emwearrrghhh: as you mention quick access. how does one get that "running/recent apps" screen opened on with rhod?15:02
arrrghhhvery carefully15:02
arrrghhhwith f22's rootfs you can remap home15:02
arrrghhhbut stine i hear is going to permanently map home to end.15:03
emweah, the end is just a faked home and having spareparts mapping end-call to home isn't the real fix, right?15:04
arrrghhhwell it's a partial fix15:04
emwei emulate "home" on topas zoombar on .35 :)15:04
arrrghhhyou get a home button15:04
arrrghhhbut long press home no workie15:04
arrrghhhlol15:05
arrrghhhthere was some that wanted that15:05
emweup|down|home|left|right15:05
emwebecause i miss the cursor keys on android keyboard15:05
smiley-I use launcherpro and maps home button to notication (if pressed on the home screen)15:05
emwehome button to notification? what is that?15:06
arrrghhhlolwut15:06
arrrghhhsmiley-, dunno what you're smoking but i wish you would share.15:06
emweehm, i think i fixed gps init on gb.15:08
smiley-it opens the notification window..  the screen on the raph100 is so small and not very sensitive at the edges so its hard to scroll down15:08
emwesmiley-: we were talking about the recent apps menu15:09
smiley-ahh15:09
arrrghhhoh15:09
arrrghhhyea, it seems you didn't get what we meant smiley-  :P15:10
emweso wtf... this gps stuff was broken before... but this bug was in the android props amss detection by alex not assigning the detected version to the global var.15:10
smiley-so gps is working in gb now?15:10
emwewell, it's initializing now.15:11
emwebut it must still fail with sysfs hw detection.15:11
emweon .35 there is no sysfs so it falls back to android property detection. it correctly detected version but didn't init a global var.15:11
arrrghhhhrm15:13
emwearrrghhh: can you "cat /sys/class/htc_hw/amss" ?15:14
arrrghhhi can try15:14
arrrghhhemwe, 612515:15
emweok, as it should. thanks.15:15
arrrghhhnp15:15
emwethink i should get a .27 on the topa then and test with gb.15:15
arrrghhhkk15:15
emweso the sysfs detection kicks in.15:16
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arrrghhh$10 for 75mb.  fucking awful.15:18
arrrghhhG3N3T1X, i don't really appreciate unsolicited PM's15:20
arrrghhhand AFAIK, Android doesn't support ad-hoc networks.15:20
arrrghhhperhaps with wifi-ace, I'm not really sure.15:20
emwethanks to the ril i know what the noun unsolicited means.15:22
arrrghhhlol15:22
smiley-amss = 5225 on the raph100..   but gps is also broken on it in gb ;)15:24
arrrghhhAMSS is different on that device...15:25
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emwewhonder if it's fscked up upside-down there ;)15:27
emweehm... could be as it defaults to 6125 on sysfs detection. houston we got a problem?15:28
arrrghhhhum15:28
emweok, gpslib crashes when actually trying to retrieve data. but that might be due to me messing around. testing with .27 now15:30
emwesmiley-: now before i confuse myself even more... can it be there's quite some logcat output (stack traces) when you start using gps?15:32
smiley-I see lot of stuff..  hang on15:33
emweok, so detection is fine there....15:33
emweok, that .27 doesn't like to boot... back.15:36
smiley-https://gist.github.com/106569115:38
emwesmiley-: thanks!15:40
SpecRCan the screen bright be "upped"? besides the Setting>Display config.15:41
arrrghhhSpecR, no15:41
arrrghhhperhaps with some third party app15:41
SpecRin day light the screen light is very light even when in Settings>Display is at top value15:41
arrrghhhbut that sounds suspicious15:41
arrrghhhwell yea15:41
arrrghhhof course, direct sunlight is murder on most screens, sans e-ink.15:42
SpecRyet, when i touch the screen it goes really bright for 2 seconds15:42
SpecRoh15:42
arrrghhhreally?15:42
arrrghhhyou have one of those stupid RAPH's huh15:42
arrrghhhis auto backlight on?15:42
SpecRno, manuel mode15:43
SpecRmanual15:43
arrrghhhhrm15:43
arrrghhhi don't know why brightness would adjust when you touch the screen then.15:43
arrrghhhperhaps there's something wrong with RAPH brightness15:43
arrrghhhhave you tried lowering it and raising it15:43
SpecRyeah, only when the screen is touched and  for 2 secs it is really bright under daylight15:44
SpecRafter that goes almost unreadable15:44
SpecRhere in the office though is ok (logically)15:44
arrrghhhemwe, ringing any bells?  is there some bug on RAPH with screen brightness?15:45
arrrghhhthis doesn't happen on my RHOD15:45
arrrghhhand while i can't say it's a pleasure to use in direct sunlight, it is possible.15:45
emwearrrghhh: no, imho the RAPH100 here is fine in auto-bl15:45
arrrghhhemwe, tried manual?15:45
arrrghhhSpecR, tried auto-bl?15:45
arrrghhhlol15:45
emwearrrghhh: quite some time when fixing up auto-bl. can't rememeber broken stuff.15:46
arrrghhhlol15:46
arrrghhhok15:46
arrrghhhi have problems too, espeically when i don't have the device :P15:46
smiley-my raph100 doesnt have that problem15:46
emwethx ^^15:46
arrrghhhthese poor blackstone schlubs.  they really need a dev.15:46
arrrghhhSpecR, which RAPH?  800?15:47
SpecRarrrghhh: yes 80015:47
emwehe said raph10015:47
emwewhat?15:47
emweah lol15:47
emwesry15:47
arrrghhhemwe, that's smiley- you bum15:47
emweshutting up15:47
arrrghhhlol15:47
arrrghhhSpecR, my buddy has one of those, i can try to confirm on his.15:47
arrrghhhhave you done the usual, update etc?15:47
SpecRarrrghhh: nop, its just installed some 3 days ago or so15:48
arrrghhhc'mon man15:48
arrrghhhtriage15:48
SpecRwhat's that? my english is pretty basic15:49
arrrghhhuhm15:49
arrrghhhhow to explain...15:49
arrrghhhtroubleshoot?15:49
arrrghhhyou know that, yes?15:49
SpecRi just googled "that is a central place to triage and report bugs"15:49
arrrghhhuhm15:50
arrrghhhok15:50
arrrghhhbasically rule things out15:50
arrrghhhupdate, make sure it hasn't been fixed in an update15:50
arrrghhhsee if there's a particular thing that breaks it, etc.15:50
arrrghhhi can't do this for you, i don't have the device.15:50
SpecRok, ill do15:51
SpecRI guess by update you mean to use Glemson's packs, right?15:53
SpecRhttp://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/15:53
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arrrghhhoy15:53
arrrghhhSpecR, http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Incremental_Updates15:53
arrrghhhthere's some other pieces that can be updated, moreso than just the kernel.15:53
arrrghhhbut your issue probably does lie in the kernel.15:53
SpecRgreat great15:54
SpecRthanks15:54
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emwearrrghhh: btw, screw my "i think i fixed gps on gb" thingy... i just fixed non-.27 amss detection for 6125 and the accompanying crash.15:57
emweand i thought i rock.15:57
arrrghhhheh15:57
arrrghhhwell fixing things is always good.15:57
emwethis bug didn't show up for alex, as 5225 has 0 as enum val, same as the global was inited with so it didn't screw his x1.16:04
arrrghhhhrm16:04
arrrghhhodd16:04
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arrrghhhImCoKeMaN, you're italian?16:11
ImCoKeMaNnope16:11
arrrghhhoh...16:11
arrrghhhlol16:11
ImCoKeMaNsprint remember?16:11
arrrghhhImCoKeMaN@host200-222-static.45-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it16:12
ImCoKeMaNyeah16:12
ImCoKeMaNhence my force_cdma=0 currently16:12
arrrghhhah16:12
arrrghhhyea, that's right.16:12
ImCoKeMaNit'll be fios soon enough16:12
ImCoKeMaNalso might end up being a different device at some point too hehe16:15
arrrghhhi haven't found anything with a good kbd16:15
arrrghhhbut i'm ready for a new phone.16:15
ImCoKeMaNsame here16:15
ImCoKeMaNif shift had 5 rows i might have had it16:15
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ImCoKeMaNif echo wasn't kyocera i'd think more about it16:16
arrrghhhshift seems like a freakin bastard child16:16
arrrghhhdoesn't deserve the evo moniker16:16
ImCoKeMaNyeah what is up with that16:16
arrrghhhdunno16:16
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arrrghhhhtc just wanted to pump something out i guess16:16
ImCoKeMaNbut they have good 5row kbd why ever go back?16:16
arrrghhhdunno16:16
ImCoKeMaN1 less wire in ribbon cable saves .000025 cents probly16:17
arrrghhhwhy wasn't the g2 just an upgraded tp2, i don't know.16:17
ImCoKeMaNwell my snapdragon tp2 isn't too bad16:19
arrrghhhlol16:19
smiley-I'm waiting for this one:  http://www.swedroid.se/37200/mer-xperia-mini-och-mini-pro-bilder-och-video-fran-presskonferensen/  :)16:19
ImCoKeMaNjust put tmobile leo in a txt file and you can have one too16:19
arrrghhhyea, i'm sure that's workin out really well for you'16:20
arrrghhhthat is probably one of the oddest bugs dude.16:20
arrrghhhsmiley-, 4-row.  and no CDMA.16:20
arrrghhhbut it doesn't look bad16:20
arrrghhhthere's all this jibberish on the page16:20
arrrghhh:P16:20
ImCoKeMaNwell those are two biggies though16:20
ImCoKeMaNchrome might help translate that i guess, but i didn't try16:21
smiley-arrrghhh: yeah 5 rows are great16:22
arrrghhhsmiley-, indeed.  why can't they just make a TP3.16:23
smiley-but I can live with 4 rows :)16:23
arrrghhhtilt screen, great kbd.  this phone is fuckin awesome.16:23
arrrghhhlol i can too, better than no kbd :P16:23
smiley-yeah16:23
smiley-ah.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShtWcsof3Rk   a video too..   (in english)16:24
arrrghhhso tiny16:26
ImCoKeMaNtoo much facebook not enough g+16:26
arrrghhhlol16:26
smiley-haha16:27
smiley-yeah16:27
smiley-and not much irc16:27
smiley-I like this: http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/16:30
arrrghhhha yea16:30
arrrghhhbut all devices now have that it seems16:30
arrrghhhHTC devices are now all going to be coming unlocked16:30
arrrghhhseems even shitty moto devices will have unlocked bootloaders now.16:30
smiley-the droid3 has 5 rows btw16:31
ImCoKeMaNwhat about iphones?16:31
arrrghhhlol16:31
arrrghhhsmiley-, bleh@moto16:31
smiley-hehe16:31
arrrghhhand i think that's a Verizon exclusive device.16:31
arrrghhhi'm so very cheap, i'll probably never ditch Sprint.16:32
SpecRI searched xdandroid in g+ thinking to maybe find a sort of 'like' page.16:42
arrrghhhwat16:43
SpecRjust made a search after uploading a pic from my raph800, first time im available to use the camera in my device16:44
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stinebdarrrghhh: pm17:19
arrrghhhyes sir17:20
emweyou secretive fellows.17:22
arrrghhhlol17:23
arrrghhhshhhh17:23
stinebdemwe: fyi, our releng stuff is all internal now. you'll need to log into your xdandroid.com account to download it17:23
stinebdunfortunately it asks to allow every time but that's the price you pay for no freedom17:24
stinebdwrite your chancellor if you disagree with this policy17:24
arrrghhhstinebd, it works.17:25
arrrghhhthe login piece17:25
emwedear mrs. merkel, i am deeply concerned about your XDAndroid releng practices.17:25
stinebdhaha17:25
arrrghhhtrying the nuke media test now17:25
arrrghhhlol, she deeply cares about your trials and tribulations emwe17:25
emwestinebd: login on that known url?17:25
stinebdonce you try to download a file it will prompt you17:26
emweah ok.17:26
stinebdhoepfully17:26
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emweok, worksforme.17:28
emwestinebd: regarding gps on gb, it must be something with the GpsCallbacks hooks. when i comment the most prominent calls to them, i can "workaround" the crashes.17:29
stinebdright, at which point the driver does nothing17:29
emwe... as system doesn't get to know.17:29
emwehow deep have you diven into that back then?17:29
stinebdheh17:29
stinebdonly deep enough to determine the same that you have17:30
stinebdit's a jni callback issue, which will be difficult to debug17:30
stinebdthat it's a callback makes it hard enough, but with there being two different languages at work, it'll make it a real pain17:31
stinebdhonestly aside from hooking a debugger into the system process, i'm not sure how we'll accomplish it17:31
emwethat means hooking up the sources into eclipse, setting a breakpoint and?... need to read up on that.17:32
stinebdyeah17:33
emweeclipse+adt is around, just never did anything but launch a self written app.17:33
stinebdnot sure how all that works17:33
stinebdespecially once you get into jni17:33
emwesame here ;)17:33
stinebdgood to learn though, i suppose17:34
emweany component you can point me to in "userland" so i don#t have to search the whole day?17:34
arrrghhhstinebd, new data.img & no media folder, I still haz ringtones :D17:35
stinebdemwe: GpsLocationProvider in frameworks/base17:36
arrrghhhso should i still include the media folder, just leave it empty so ppl can add to it?17:36
emwestinebd: thank you.17:36
stinebdarrrghhh: yeah that'd be cool17:36
arrrghhhscwheet, thx.17:36
stinebdit has some subdirs, leave those too17:36
arrrghhhindeed17:36
arrrghhhjust clear 'em out17:36
arrrghhhso what's left?  tweak the home key...17:37
stinebdwe'll get rid of that tree completely for gingerbread then17:37
emwestinebd: btw, whyever... that beta release still finds my music in /sdcard/media/ allthough that mediascanner fix should be in place.17:37
stinebdsince you can use normal sdcard directories17:37
stinebdemwe: if you have the andboot/media directory still, you should have two entries of each ringtone in there17:37
emwestinebd: that one is abolished already.17:38
emwejust whondering about my mp3 being found in that non-checked dir after the patch17:38
stinebdall sdcard is checked17:38
emwedidn't try updating that dir. not that a full scan is just done on first boot and never again17:38
emwehoh?17:38
stinebdsince you and i were worried about the kids being angry17:38
emwei thought you included that one. assume reverted?17:39
stinebdreverted in the latest system image17:39
emweai ;)17:39
emwedear mrs. merkel, i am now confident that your hardened releng practices are paying out. somebody listened to me.17:40
arrrghhhlol17:40
stinebdlet her know that germany needs nuclear too!17:41
arrrghhhalright, my day is done.  cya guys.17:42
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emwei'll let her knwo first that i need a bed.17:43
emwegoing to look further into gps tomorrow.17:43
stinebdk, night17:43
stinebdthanks17:43
emwethanks for the pointers stinebd. gnight. and your welcome ;)17:43
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arrrghhhstinebd, i was thinking about making a page for MMS off the FAQ for what is needed for which carrier to get it working20:03
stinebdarrrghhh: what is needed?20:03
arrrghhhis there any way we can get it to populate an APN with this info, or will manual adjustment always be necessary?20:03
arrrghhhMMSC it seems like is all that's really needed.20:03
stinebdhyc: ^ could we make a little app in rootfs to set a prop and have ril use that for cdma?20:04
arrrghhhthe MCC/MNC were pre-populated IIRC20:04
arrrghhhi can test that, but MMSC definitely was not.20:05
stinebdof course, but we could make an app to set it based on the carrier20:05
arrrghhhoic20:05
stinebdor even do it in the ril itself20:05
arrrghhhfancy20:05
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arrrghhhwell if we do figure it out, i know the MMSC for VZ and Sprint at least.20:08
arrrghhhby we i mean hyc20:09
stinebdwouldn't be a huge list to keep track of20:09
stinebdworldwide there are like 7 cdma providers20:09
arrrghhhlol20:10
arrrghhhmovisomething20:10
arrrghhhi know there's one in venezula20:10
stinebdi heard tiad is starting one up in the states20:11
arrrghhhboost probably has specific settings20:11
arrrghhhlol20:11
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slickdaddy96See I knew I should have never tried to help on here.  The minute I say I was testing the new build you lock it up tight stinebd.  There was no harm in keeping it accessible to everyone that knew the link.  Which was only me outside you programmers.  If you don't need the help whatever....22:11
stinebdi was going to offer you a whitelist entry but if you're going to bring that attitude with you, we don't want your help22:12
slickdaddy96It was tounge and cheek22:13
slickdaddy96Guess I need :-)22:13
stinebdif you want to do internal testing you can submit patches and get dev access22:13
slickdaddy96I just was debating on even coming in and helping.  I assumed the minute I said something about it you all might lock it down, and I didn't want that.  I liked being special! :-)22:14
slickdaddy96I am not good enough to patch thigns yet, but I got no problem testing and giving logs and telling you if there is an issue with anything going on.22:15
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stinebdi have a feeling there will be plenty of testing for gingerbread22:20
slickdaddy96yeah I haven't touched gingerbread yet, but if I had some time and people were patching things I would mess with it.22:22
slickdaddy96well if you wanted to give me that whitelist, I wouldn't be hearbroken,  sorry about the first comment, I am horrible at typing out things and them not coming off wrong sometimes.  Has gotten me in trouble with some emails at work before. :-)  I understand if you don't want to do that though.22:27
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Kralnarrrghhh: how goes the tp2?22:35
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adkz:O22:51
arrrghhhKraln, hey thar22:54
arrrghhhemwe is making good use out of it :D22:54
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stinebdslickdaddy96: when you read this in the logs, email me from a google account (stinebd@xdandroid.com)22:57
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Kralnarrrghhh: that's good, any nice patches?23:03
arrrghhhyea he fixed the bug with GSM being used on CDMA devices :P23:03
arrrghhhand he's lookin at the 3.5mm jack with acl23:03
Kralnnice23:04
arrrghhhbut yea we're all plugging along, just starting testing on FRX0723:07
Kralnany support for the HTC windows phone 7 ? :P23:07
arrrghhhwhich reminds me stinebd - i'm back on .27 and i had the bug where i can hear the far end, but they can't hear me... flipping the speakerphone on/off did nothing to remedy the issue.  it was very odd, since i hardly ever get that issue.23:08
arrrghhhKraln, on the TP2?  lol.23:08
Kralnno, on the windows 7 phones23:08
arrrghhhoh23:08
arrrghhhnone have SD slots...?23:08
arrrghhhi thought one did, but it would eat them like candy or something?23:08
Kralnmine has an sd slot23:09
Kraln:-(23:09
arrrghhhi don't really follow those devices.  the Pro7 looked good, but no slot.23:09
arrrghhhcan you use it?23:09
arrrghhhwtf did you get a WP7 phone for dude :P23:09
KralnI have the arrive :P23:09
arrrghhhorly23:09
arrrghhhyou got the tp323:09
Kralnnow you know why I got one :-)23:09
arrrghhhi thought that didn't have an SD slot...23:09
arrrghhhOo23:10
arrrghhhperhaps that's just the Pro7?23:10
arrrghhhso can you use the SD slot?23:10
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Kralnit has a micro sd23:10
Kralnyeah23:10
arrrghhhyou can use any SD card on it?23:10
Kralnyea23:10
arrrghhhwell any microSD card23:10
arrrghhhweird23:11
arrrghhhi heard something about WP7 not supporting SD cards.  and only one phone had a slot, and it would fuck up cards lol23:11
KralnI mean23:11
Kralnit doesn't have a file browser23:11
Kralnor any way to put stuff on it23:11
arrrghhhwut23:11
Kralnas far as I can tell23:11
Kralnbut if I use the hacked file browser I can find it, it gets moutned23:11
arrrghhhlol23:11
arrrghhhthat's madness.23:11
arrrghhhwell i guess it would be interesting... could you even run haret?23:12
arrrghhhdunno23:12
arrrghhhthat would be where the hackings start23:12
KralnI could try.23:12
arrrghhhbut i'm not aware of any WP7 phones to Android23:12
Kralnit's basically the windows ce kernel23:12
arrrghhhports*23:12
arrrghhhyea23:12
arrrghhhi guess if the OS would allow the exe to run23:12
arrrghhhget cotulla one :P23:12
arrrghhhso i'm guessing you hadn't heard of any either?  i haven't exactly looked.23:13
arrrghhhbut i haven't come across any tech news on it either...23:13
madplayahey argh i dont know if you remeber about me telling you about making 3g faster thru espt menu i tried it on my evo shift and work faster23:14
KralnI mean, it's got the TP2 shell with a nicer screen and nicer video23:14
arrrghhhmadplaya, that's nice23:15
arrrghhhKraln, how's the tilt?23:15
arrrghhhlooks slick.  if only it had android, i'd be all over it..23:15
Kralntilt is solid23:15
Kralnsturdier than the tp223:15
madplayaSo i decied to give the tp2 to my mom and put android for her in a couple of weeks, so i'll still be here lol23:17
arrrghhhohgod23:17
arrrghhhi just told some dude that he shouldn't do that for his mom23:17
arrrghhhKraln, nice.  makes me want one.  but me no want WP723:18
Kralnmango is NICE23:18
madplayahahaha, how come?23:18
arrrghhhmadplaya, Android isn't exactly stable on the TP2 in case you hadn't noticed.23:19
arrrghhhKraln, lies.23:19
arrrghhhi've used WP7 devices, i can't stand 'em.  sure the UI is fast, but that gets old in like 3 minutes.23:19
Kralnwhat's the part you can't stand? :)23:19
arrrghhhboooooring23:19
arrrghhhnothing can be customized23:19
Kralnnot true ;)23:19
arrrghhhvery little at least23:19
madplayalol, true might have to rethink it lol.23:19
KralnI like how the launcher doesn't force quit :P23:19
arrrghhhKraln, if you're comparing Android on the TP2 to WP7 on the Arrive, not a fair comparison.23:20
arrrghhhat all...23:20
arrrghhhThe HD2, that would be a pretty fair comparison.23:20
Kralnnah, android on the nook vs wp7 mango :p23:20
arrrghhhand i think the hardware specs are pretty similar, assuming you can run haret on it.23:20
arrrghhhlol that's not really a fair comparison either.23:21
arrrghhhyou like comparing apples & oranges eh?  :P23:21
arrrghhhmeh.  based on what i've seen, WP7 is not for me.23:21
Kralnthat's fair23:21
arrrghhhi liked winmo cuz it was hackable.23:21
Kralnit does exactly what i want23:21
arrrghhhwp7... seems so very not.23:21
Kralnit's a great phone. it's a decent email client. it has an okay browser. it's easy to develop for23:21
arrrghhhhope you like your tiles23:21
arrrghhhdevs are flocking to WP7 LOL right.23:22
Kralnfuck other devs23:22
KralnI mean for me, personally23:22
arrrghhhlol23:22
arrrghhhdot net or whut23:22
Kralnit's C# on top of silverlight, for the most part.23:23
Kralnand the app store is nice,23:23
Kralnit's nicer than apple, anyway23:23
Kralndifferent strokes for different folks :p23:24
Kralnhttp://forum.ppcgeeks.com/phone-comparison/142087-htc-arrive-wp7-vs-touch-pro2-android-edit-now-video.html23:27
arrrghhhi actually saw that exact same thread already lol :P23:28
arrrghhhand who cares about apple23:28
arrrghhhis it better than Androids?23:28
arrrghhh(i would assume no...)23:28
Kralndepends on which marketplace.23:28
arrrghhhhence the beauty of Android23:29
Kralnnice for users23:29
arrrghhhyou get this thing, it's called choice ;)23:29
Kralnbad for developers.23:29
arrrghhheh i guess23:29
Kralnyeah, to me that's market fragmentation23:29
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Kralnwith different rules23:29
arrrghhhit's all one platform tho23:29
Kralnnot really23:29
Kralnlots of different related platforms23:29
Kralnnot nearly as bad as blackberry23:30
arrrghhhyou think wp7 phones will always have the exact same specs?23:30
arrrghhhohgod bb is dead.23:30
arrrghhhqnx seems too little too late.  we'll see tho.23:30
arrrghhhthey seem to have a grip on the business world.23:31
arrrghhhi know people that carry an iPhone and a fucking BB23:31
madplaya^haah23:31
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arrrghhhoh well.  have fun developing tiles dude :P23:32
arrrghhhi do like the freakin concept of a TP3 tho :(23:32
Kralneh, it's not fun23:32
Kralnit's spending money ;)23:33
arrrghhhheh23:33
Totem-SchalterCAN anyone look at this and may be help me with some insight on where to look in the script to find my problem ,, trying to load Backtrack5 ARM on my G1 .. this is the code http://paste.ubuntu.com/638271/.. and this is my error http://paste.ubuntu.com/638273/ thanks23:35
arrrghhhKraln, get Android running on that beast.23:35
arrrghhhTotem-Schalter, lolwut23:35
Totem-Schalterhe he23:36
arrrghhhthis room is mainly about porting Android to WinCE devices...23:36
Totem-Schalteroh23:36
Totem-SchalterHA!23:36
arrrghhhthe XDAndroid project is all about that.23:36
arrrghhhperhaps #xda-devs?23:37
Totem-Schalterok thanks23:37
arrrghhhnp23:37
arrrghhhKraln, Android on that phone would be hard with 3 buttons...23:38
Kraln1) it has side buttons23:39
Kraln2) it works fine on the nook :p23:39
arrrghhhvolume?23:39
arrrghhhtrue23:39
arrrghhh:P23:39
arrrghhhit works, just is awkward IMHO23:39
arrrghhhit's awkward on the TP2 because of the dedicated send/end call butons.23:39
arrrghhhalthough those poor bastards with tmo tp2's that have a home key instead of a windows key23:39
arrrghhhi bet they wish that was home and not menu lol23:40
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arrrghhhKraln, if it makes you feel any better, i found a video supposedly with Android on the HD723:46
arrrghhhnot much else really tho.23:49
arrrghhhno one on #htc-linux has mentioned anything...23:49
arrrghhhthere's some hd2 wp7 room23:50
arrrghhhnot sure how alive it is23:50

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