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| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Releases bug 130 filed... | 08:43 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=130 trivial, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Rhodium front button lights | 08:43 |
| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Releases bug 131 filed... | 08:56 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=131 normal, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Odd battery issues | 08:56 |
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| arrrghhh | jonpry, so i can't say definitively if it's better | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | but it certainly seems better back on the looped mounts - much better battery life, and much less waking | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | however, the wakes still seem to be 'longer than normal' if that makes sense. | 13:38 |
| Detule | arrrghhh: you guys may have already tried this, but did you give this app from the market a spin http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/nilfs2-gc_leqi.html (assuming your korean is better than mine) | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | there's a nilfs app on the market :P | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | https://market.android.com/details?id=com.sephiron.NilfsCleanerdService&feature=search_result | 13:43 |
| Detule | yeah i saw that one too | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | but i haven't tried it | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | there were bigger problems than just disk filling | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | i gave /data plenty of headroom and it ran fine | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | but there were other issues... | 13:44 |
| Detule | poorly reviewed that second one | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | scantly reviewed too | 13:44 |
| Detule | oh, my data keeps filling up on 1.5gb partition | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | really? | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | what are you doing? :P | 13:44 |
| Detule | absolutely nothing | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | since apps can't be installed | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | mine stopped filling | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | assuming i didn't do anything | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | i gave it 5gb | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | and it stopped filling just over 500mb | 13:45 |
| Detule | and when i mount it on my desktop, i see the desktop garbage collector invoked and brings usage from 100% down to 76% | 13:45 |
| Detule | but that only buys me a short amount of time | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder why mine stopped filling | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | i ran it all day | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | damn phone kept waking on me tho, i'd say 50% of the time it was awake when it was supposed to be sleeping. | 13:46 |
| Detule | apps can't be installed? maybe that's my problem as I've desperately been trying to install a few things (neocore, this gc app) | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you knew that | 13:46 |
| Detule | maybe there's some error log when you try to install an app that goes out of control | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | originally trying to install apps rebooted to winmo | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | then installing apps just 'failed' mysteriously | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | but the phone wouldn't sleep after that | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | so you'd have to reboot to get it to sleep correctly again... | 13:47 |
| Detule | hm, i would start with 76% /data usage, try to install an app, reboot to android without home screen coming up, when i load the patition in windows next it shows 100% usage | 13:48 |
| Detule | as if trying to install the app (via market or adb) filled up a few hundred mb's on the partition | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | probably | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | and the snapshots of that log just exacerbated the issue. | 13:48 |
| Detule | sigh, i had high hopes for this...maybe implementing a GC would fix this app install issue....i should try tar'ing a /data image with some of these market apps already installed | 13:50 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i had to do | 13:50 |
| arrrghhh | per jonpry :P | 13:50 |
| arrrghhh | thought you read the logs ;) | 13:50 |
| Detule | only when the girl is not around | 13:51 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:52 |
| arrrghhh | i know how that goes... | 13:52 |
| Detule | i would be curious what's the lowest usage you see on your /data partition, as I can't seem to bring mine under 1.1 GB -> i tried running the garbage collector on my desktop and over-riding the protection parameter to 1sec (from 1hr) but that didn't help either.... | 13:56 |
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| arrrghhh | Detule, like i said it settled just over 500mb | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | i used the phone all day | 14:12 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: is there any news on the battery drain issue? | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | but that was after i had all the apps i wanted from an old data.img | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, it's still occuring...? | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | dunno what else mate :P | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | no progress from what i've seen. | 14:12 |
| emwe | hmpfs. whonder where that comes from. | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | i started USB tethering a couple of hours ago | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | and i was at near 100% | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | and i'm down to 31% :/ | 14:13 |
| emwe | hm. not sure, but the raph has same strangeness in battery level | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | this never used to happen when i would USB tether. | 14:13 |
| emwe | but it was totally emptied battery. | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | i've actually had the phone die while usb tethering | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | and yes, it claims to be charging the entire time. | 14:13 |
| emwe | oh? | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | happened 2x in the same day in fact | 14:14 |
| emwe | ah when plugged you mean? | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 14:14 |
| emwe | thought you meant when unplugged still indicating plugged | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't really notice the bug until this happened. | 14:14 |
| emwe | yet clueless what causes it. | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | no | 14:14 |
| emwe | how much percent/hour? | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't watched it that closely | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | it bounces around quite a bit | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | down to 24% | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | from 31% just 2 mins ago | 14:15 |
| emwe | that's likely the "old" algo going mad | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | i guess, but why would my battery actually die? | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | i would think if it's just the indicator mis-reporting, the battery wouldn't actually die... | 14:16 |
| emwe | i have no idea yet honestly. | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | sad | 14:16 |
| emwe | i welcome you guys into the club of 7%/hour drain | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | anything i can do to help? | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | lol i don't want to be in that club :/ | 14:16 |
| emwe | me neither but i am the founder. | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | besides, 31->24 in 2 mins? a bit more than 7%/hr. | 14:17 |
| emwe | well, that's really just the algorithm /methinks | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | seems to have 'stabilized' at 24% currently. | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | the algo is very off, we all know that.. | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just surprised it killed the battery | 14:17 |
| emwe | hyc: from your battsmem patch i "just" see some logical correction or am i missing something from the big picture? | 14:18 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: there's still that rumour there's some gpio or whatnot left in the wrong state draining power which it would not be in when connected on "my" issue. perhaps tehre's something switched upside-down when your devices are plugged. | 14:19 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 14:19 |
| arrrghhh | okie | 14:19 |
| emwe | and dunno, if this is also managed via smem... and not entirely via the three gpios used in battsmem | 14:19 |
| emwe | but my expertise is not as fundamental | 14:19 |
| emwe | and my incall freeze is still not resolved. | 14:20 |
| emwe | going to cry soon and switch to haiku development again ... | 14:20 |
| arrrghhh | eh? | 14:20 |
| arrrghhh | in call freeze? | 14:20 |
| emwe | first incall freeze on topa, yeah. | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | haven't heard of it | 14:21 |
| emwe | re-verified on different combinations. | 14:21 |
| emwe | it's been there for like months on topa. | 14:21 |
| emwe | topa only | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | i'm assuming TOPA-only? | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | bummer | 14:21 |
| emwe | if i callout first and then incall, all fine | 14:21 |
| emwe | can't make something useful out of the logs, though. | 14:21 |
| emwe | jb is also clueless | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 14:22 |
| emwe | doesn't matter if his acoustic rewrite or not | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | ditch the topa | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | problem solved | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 14:22 |
| emwe | hm... | 14:22 |
| emwe | all usually low-end-phone colleaques in the company buying smartphones... that's so ... pita. | 14:23 |
| emwe | two nexus one around me | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | yea one of my computer illerate buddies just bought an android device | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | er | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | illiterate | 14:23 |
| emwe | these devices just work. | 14:25 |
| emwe | (more or less) | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | well i'd hope if our phones were designed for Android, we wouldn't be fighting thru these types of bugs :P | 14:25 |
| emwe | yeah that incall bug bites me like for two weeks. but if i can't use my phone as a phone... what's the point in having the other features | 14:27 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:30 |
| arrrghhh | there's not many TOPA users out there | 14:30 |
| arrrghhh | and even fewer devs... | 14:30 |
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| Vanongart | Hi all | 14:35 |
| emwe | dunno if somebody else doing something. think not. there was some approaches by different peeps but i think the bailed out again | 14:35 |
| arrrghhh | hi, do you have a question Vanongart ? | 14:35 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, yea... just get a RHOD and continue with the charge ;) | 14:36 |
| Vanongart | actually i do | 14:36 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: and since topa has already been moved to legacy devices, it's even more destined to die ;) | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | yes... so get a RHOD :P | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | set your TOPA on fire, it's dead. | 14:37 |
| Vanongart | wanted to know if there is any resource for "optimal" startup.txt files, in terms of hibernation status und clock speed and so on | 14:37 |
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| arrrghhh | Vanongart, what is provided | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | is best/'optimal' | 14:37 |
| toadlife | Vanogart: Sorry, no magic bullets ;) | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | assuming you're using my builds ofc :P | 14:38 |
| Vanongart | somehow - yes, would be nice if it runs just a bit faster, but of course w. out getting unsable | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | Vanongart, overclocking is up to you | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | i don't provide anything in the startup.txt to overclock out of the gate | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | but the FAQ includes directions on how-to overclock. | 14:38 |
| toadlife | As for clock speeds, some people can go up to 768000 without issues and some can only go up to 600000. it depends on your phone | 14:39 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: what's the jit-status of frx06? they are jit-less or jit'ted? | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | jit-less emwe | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, some guy said he hit over 800mhz on his RHOD | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:39 |
| Vanongart | okay - thanks, next question ^^ - having quite some ;-) | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | i'm fine @ 528. | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | Vanongart, just ask... don't ask to ask :P | 14:39 |
| toadlife | I can run at 800+ on my phone, but it gets unstable after while | 14:39 |
| arrrghhh | yea, he claimed it was stable... | 14:40 |
| toadlife | I can go for days @ 768 | 14:40 |
| arrrghhh | not sure how so. | 14:40 |
| toadlife | He's just lucky. Got a CPU that can take it | 14:40 |
| arrrghhh | meh maybe | 14:40 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't really tried pushing my phone | 14:40 |
| Vanongart | sleep mode - which one is recommended ? | 14:40 |
| toadlife | I'm one of the luckier ones I guess | 14:40 |
| arrrghhh | anytime i would OC it seemed unstable. | 14:40 |
| arrrghhh | Vanongart, what's included. 1. | 14:40 |
| toadlife | pm.sleep should be 1 | 14:41 |
| toadlife | Isn't sleep mode of 1 forced now? | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | no | 14:41 |
| toadlife | Or was that just wistilt2 | 14:41 |
| emwe | no, zero. | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2's kernels yes | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | autobuild no | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, lies | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:41 |
| emwe | auto is 0 | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | default is 0 you mean | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | if it's unset | 14:41 |
| emwe | yes | 14:41 |
| emwe | sorry, it's not forced ofc | 14:41 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't say that's recommended tho. | 14:41 |
| emwe | nope, not. i think missed calls on .27 | 14:42 |
| emwe | but i dunno the state of .27 on topa actually. | 14:42 |
| arrrghhh | quit confusing the newbs emwe | 14:42 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:42 |
| emwe | sry. will shut up. | 14:42 |
| emwe | i whonder what jb has to say about that battery drain. | 14:44 |
| emwe | can only think of reading out the wrong vbus status from smem | 14:44 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 14:45 |
| arrrghhh | i'm still perplexed as to why the battery actually dies. | 14:45 |
| emwe | if you like, enable logging in battery_charging_ctrl() | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | sounds above my pay grade | 14:46 |
| emwe | on .27 it contains - imho - the wrong mask | 14:46 |
| emwe | surely not. | 14:46 |
| toadlife | Was the battery really drained, or did the phone think the battery was dead, panic and shut itself off? | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, reboot to winmo reported a dead battery | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | like less than 5% | 14:46 |
| emwe | just throw out the if (debug_mask&foo) and let the BATT() macro always log | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | plus, i had to charge the damned thing for 20 mins to even get it to turn on... | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, it was pretty dead. | 14:47 |
| emwe | strangeness the raph survived like 32 hours with that kernel iirc | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, definitely above my pay grade :P | 14:47 |
| emwe | ahhhhhhhhh! :P | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | i'm 'stable' at 25% so far | 14:47 |
| emwe | don't make yourself dumber as you are. | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | heh as i look. dropped to 22. | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, you give me too much credit! | 14:48 |
| emwe | says the one jumping on nilfs | 14:48 |
| emwe | :) | 14:48 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 14:48 |
| arrrghhh | hey i jumped on it | 14:48 |
| toadlife | I don't think the USB bug is draining the battery - it's just not charging it. | 14:48 |
| arrrghhh | hardly fixed anything on it | 14:48 |
| arrrghhh | just reported issues :P | 14:48 |
| arrrghhh | which is what i'm best at emwe | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, that would make sense | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | i would imagine the battery life wouldn't be so great constantly on & tethering. | 14:49 |
| toadlife | So what are the benefits of nilfs? I read a bit about it on wikipedia. Is it just crash protection? | 14:49 |
| emwe | yeah, my suspicion is battery_charging_ctrl() then | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | well that would be the benes of the FS, but benes to us is raw speed toadlife | 14:50 |
| emwe | some gpio setup differently perhaps | 14:50 |
| emwe | but why... no idea. | 14:50 |
| toadlife | Speed is allwatys good | 14:50 |
| emwe | perhaps the first (indirect) call on resume to set's up stuff wrong. | 14:50 |
| toadlife | hey, how about ntfs? ;P | 14:50 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, i experienced almost 0 lag. | 14:50 |
| * arrrghhh stabs toadlife in the eye | 14:50 | |
| arrrghhh | even when downloading from the market | 14:50 |
| toadlife | I deserved that | 14:50 |
| arrrghhh | phone was still responsive. | 14:50 |
| toadlife | That's good. The market allways blows the phone up | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | apps that usually launched slow launched much less slowly :P | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | the gmail client which usually is a pig was lightening quick | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | lightning | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | bleh | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | can't spell for shit today. | 14:52 |
| toadlife | Do the stock kernels have nilfs support? | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | no | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | jonpry backported it to .27 | 14:52 |
| emwe | only .30+ iirc logs | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | it wasn't in mainline until .30 ^^ | 14:52 |
| toadlife | ok | 14:53 |
| toadlife | We'll I | 14:53 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: alternative to changing code... htc_battery_smem.debug=7 | 14:53 |
| emwe | spit's out a shitload of useless stuff | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | hooray? | 14:53 |
| toadlife | I'm interested in ril testing right now. My personal ril developer hyc is making progress. ;P | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:53 |
| emwe | will spit out CHARGER OFF/ON (SLOW)/ON (FAST) | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, he is your personal RIL dev at this point, you're the only one reporting issues :P | 14:54 |
| emwe | ril is pretty | 14:54 |
| emwe | fine | 14:54 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that's not entirely true, random issues pop up in his thread. | 14:54 |
| toadlife | Every time I enter the room, he probbaly gets a sinking feeling in his stomach. | 14:54 |
| emwe | well, it's sometimes loosing data on tower/network switch | 14:54 |
| emwe | allthough indicating fine | 14:54 |
| emwe | disable+disable+enable works | 14:54 |
| emwe | always have to disable twice | 14:54 |
| emwe | because android doesn't get it it switched or ril signals faulty on first request to disable | 14:55 |
| toadlife | A couple others have reported similar issues to mine, but they haven't been able to provide good logs. | 14:55 |
| emwe | but driving through areas device froze up usually is all fine | 14:55 |
| emwe | that's a great thing! | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | meeting time, bbl | 14:56 |
| toadlife | Probably the towers here in the valley. The average IQ here in the central CA is about 10 points lower than metro areas, so the towers we no doubt set up by Neanderthals. | 14:56 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: give that debug cmdline option a try if you find the time | 14:56 |
| Detule | hm, i wonder if jonpry can make some miracles happen with this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11229779&postcount=749 binaries included..... | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, i will later today thx | 14:57 |
| emwe | just a guess.... | 14:57 |
| toadlife | lunch time. | 14:57 |
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| Vanongart | hi all | 16:45 |
| helicopter88 | hi | 16:45 |
| Vanongart | is there any way to confirm if the oc settings in the startup config have been applied inside android? | 16:45 |
| arrrghhh | setCPU | 16:46 |
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| arrrghhh | SystemPanel Lite | 16:46 |
| arrrghhh | dmesg, grep for acpu | 16:46 |
| rpierce99 | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq ? | 16:50 |
| Vanongart | okay thanks, oc seem to be working | 16:52 |
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| Vanongart | is it a known issue, that when in standby mode, and i receive a call, the screen does not turn on? (or only lockscreen is showing) | 16:54 |
| Vanongart | can this be fixed? | 16:54 |
| rpierce99 | you might be missing pm.sleep_mode=1 in your startup.txt, or you're running an old build, or your phone is busy doing something else, or any number of other possibilities | 16:54 |
| Vanongart | sleepmode is set to 1 | 16:55 |
| Vanongart | well "old" build, downloaded it roughly an hour ago | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, lol | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'd say 'phone busy doing other things' is highly likely | 16:56 |
| Vanongart | atm, it does not even wake up on power btn press, guess im turning off oc to start with | 16:56 |
| rpierce99 | Vanongart: btw, how long ago you downloaded it != how old it is | 16:58 |
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| Vanongart | mhm, well this i know, but tbh, i dont really know how to compile the latest version, or something | 17:00 |
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| toadlife | Vanongart: Are you running the latest kernel: http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/ | 17:11 |
| hyc | emwe: i was thinking that the cable state is not reported correctly, and may have some bearing on the charging bug | 17:14 |
| hyc | no proof yet. yesterday i didn't experience the bug. | 17:14 |
| emwe | hyc: yeah, i would have battery_charging_ctrl() in mind then | 17:14 |
| Vanongart | can i change the kernel just with restart, or do i need to delete everything ? | 17:15 |
| rpierce99 | delete the old kernel, replace with new kernel, boot | 17:19 |
| toadlife | vanogart: Yeah, you just have to colpy the new kernel and modules to the andboot dfirectory and reobot. Delete the old modules file! | 17:19 |
| toadlife | make sure the new kernel file is named "zImage" | 17:20 |
| Vanongart | mhm "set KERNEL zImage" - should also work? - well it does ^^, y delete the modules - is different file anyway ? | 17:21 |
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| rpierce99 | yes but it loads the kernel modules in some fashion that does not reliably pick the correct modules all the time | 17:22 |
| Vanongart | kk | 17:23 |
| rpierce99 | so by deleting the old ones you know you're using the right modules | 17:23 |
| Vanongart | okay - but it seems to work now - with the locking at least | 17:23 |
| rpierce99 | modules file issues will likely only lead to broken wifi | 17:25 |
| Vanongart | okay that i can live with, but to be sure, i copy the old files in sub dir | 17:26 |
| hyc | eh, my patched init script detects module version reliably... | 17:26 |
| hyc | I should try the latest autobuild kernel. when I merged source iwht my tree, resulting kernel didn't have adb any more | 17:27 |
| hyc | quite limiting..... | 17:27 |
| toadlife | The latest autobuild is actually pretty good. | 17:28 |
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| hyc | right now it has more negative than positive feedback | 17:36 |
| toadlife | I gave it a negative vote actually...because of the USB charging buig | 17:41 |
| toadlife | other than that it's been fine since last night ;P | 17:41 |
| hyc | so it's still present | 17:41 |
| toadlife | Yeah. And im at work, without my charger, but with a USB cable. | 17:42 |
| toadlife | 42% with 2.5 hours to go, so I should be okay | 17:42 |
| toadlife | I have a horrendous signal in my office, which doesn't help. Here is where the ril allways fails. So far, so good today | 17:43 |
| hyc | each time before, you had a hang on an incoming call | 17:44 |
| hyc | have you received any calls yet? | 17:44 |
| toadlife | No. I've gotten text messages and replied several times. That fails too when the ril blows up. | 17:44 |
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| toadlife | I'll text my wife and have her call me. it's about the time we usually talk anyway. | 17:45 |
| hyc | should just use another line and call yourself... | 17:45 |
| toadlife | Yeah, if she doesn't call I will. | 17:46 |
| toadlife | Some days the problem doesn't happen, so it will take awhile to tell. I'm working here all week, so I'll have plenty of testing time. | 17:48 |
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| NeoMatrixJR | toadlife, are you CDMA or GSM? | 17:53 |
| toadlife | GSM | 17:54 |
| toadlife | T-Mobile | 17:54 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ok. | 17:54 |
| toadlife | Glad on not CDMA | 17:55 |
| toadlife | I'm not | 17:55 |
| NeoMatrixJR | Was just going to say CDMA phones are having trouble charging w/ latest kernels. | 17:55 |
| toadlife | My phone won't charge with a USB cable. AC charges fine though. | 17:55 |
| toadlife | Do CDMA phones not charge with AC either? | 17:55 |
| hyc | I'm sure the cahrging bug affects all phones | 17:56 |
| NeoMatrixJR | haven't tried AC in android recently | 17:57 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ah. wasn't sure. I've only talked to arrrghhh about it and he's CDMA too,. | 17:58 |
| toadlife | LOL | 17:59 |
| toadlife | Call came in just fine. Phone rebooted after she hung up | 17:59 |
| hyc | well that's new | 18:00 |
| toadlife | That | 18:00 |
| toadlife | sThats happened to me one other time lateely | 18:00 |
| toadlife | With the recent autobuild kernels | 18:00 |
| toadlife | It dies when I try to turn the screen on after a call gets disconnected | 18:01 |
| toadlife | I'll upload the logs. | 18:01 |
| jonpry | hyc you get your kernel patched? | 18:01 |
| hyc | jonpry: not yet. still mucking with other bits of it | 18:02 |
| jonpry | ic | 18:02 |
| hyc | wondering why my 3G data icon no longer shows traffic on my kernels | 18:05 |
| hyc | I haven't turned off anything else in the network config options | 18:05 |
| hyc | just added a few other modules | 18:05 |
| toadlife | During my call and up to the time the phone spontaneously rebooted, the following line appeared in locat abouit four time per second... | 18:05 |
| toadlife | 05-09 21:41:39.500 D/PowerManagerService( 1384): mProximityListener.onSensorChanged active: false | 18:05 |
| toadlife | It's the last log entry | 18:06 |
| hyc | nothing in kmsg about that? | 18:06 |
| toadlife | kmsg looks pretty quiet | 18:07 |
| hyc | if there's a problem with the proximitysensor, eh, that's not anything I've touched | 18:07 |
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| toadlife | Yeah, I think it's kernel issue. Like I said, it started happening with recent autobuild kernels | 18:09 |
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| hyc | ok, did a make clean in my kernel tree and started over. now adb is working again | 18:11 |
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| toadlife | Speaking of proximity sensor, it would be nice to have it functional during calls. | 18:12 |
| hyc | heh | 18:13 |
| hyc | hmph. my 3G data icon is still not moving. | 18:13 |
| toadlife | Yeah, that happened to me with a kernel of yours I downloaded | 18:14 |
| hyc | yeah | 18:14 |
| hyc | I may just go back to stock config and see what happens | 18:14 |
| hyc | narrow down which network module is breaking it | 18:15 |
| hyc | prox sensor code is broken still anyway | 18:18 |
| hyc | it always spews a bug in the early boot kmsg | 18:18 |
| toadlife | arrrghhh | anyone else: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25754012/debuglogs_20110509221209.tar.gz | 18:19 |
| toadlife | Phone reboots spontaneously after call disconnects | 18:19 |
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| toadlife | At least the ril didn't fail! :D | 18:20 |
| hyc | looks like you still had signal from 3 towers at the time | 18:22 |
| hyc | so the modem was fine | 18:22 |
| toadlife | Yeah, I was outside | 18:22 |
| hyc | eh, so irrelevant test, for the ril | 18:22 |
| toadlife | But call came in while I was inside, which is where the trouble allways happens, so ril was definitely doing it's job | 18:22 |
| hyc | ok | 18:23 |
| toadlife | Yeah, we all have to run outside when we get a call. ;P | 18:23 |
| toadlife | metal building | 18:23 |
| hyc | I don't see your hangup command in the radiolog | 18:28 |
| hyc | so I suspect the crash lost the tail end of that | 18:29 |
| hyc | your kmsg shows that you went to speakerphone | 18:30 |
| jonpry | anyone else get that bug where the phone starts playing non stop funk music? | 18:36 |
| hyc | dang, I think that means you enabeld your FM tuner! :P | 18:37 |
| phh | :) | 18:37 |
| hyc | re: bug 130 not sure that userland is the best place | 18:42 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=130 trivial, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Rhodium front button lights | 18:42 |
| hyc | but anyway, userland already knows to turn off the buttonlights | 18:42 |
| hyc | I've seen it in kmsg... | 18:42 |
| hyc | so the question is, why does it do that, wnad why doesn't it turn them on? | 18:43 |
| toadlife | hyc: Yeah when I picked up, she couldn't hear me. Toggling speakerphone fixes that sometimes so that's why I toggled speaker phone on and off | 18:43 |
| hyc | ok | 18:43 |
| hyc | yeah, I've had that too | 18:43 |
| toadlife | jonpry: lol. nice bug | 18:44 |
| hyc | also, why don't we expose a /sys/class/led control file for keyboard_lights ? | 18:44 |
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| hyc | anyway, gonna let my battery run down a bit and see if the charging bug is still there | 19:07 |
| hyc | (new kernel, latest merge from autobuild plus a couple of my recent patches) | 19:08 |
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| sirskull | hi all | 19:25 |
| sirskull | seems everybody is still asleep? | 19:26 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, i thought that button lights should be controlled by userland? | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | in the sense that they tell the kernel when the lights should be on or off | 19:47 |
| hyc | I guess so | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | similar to how caps/fn LEDs should be handled. | 19:47 |
| hyc | but none of that works either :P | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | that was the consensus from most devs when there was discussion on it | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | no | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | there's no userland hooks for it | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | "also, why don't we expose a /sys/class/led control file for keyboard_lights ?" | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | cuz no one has :P | 19:48 |
| hyc | yeah, thus userland cannot control keyboard lights | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2 patched it 'to work' knowing it was a temp fix | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | until userland had hooks | 19:48 |
| hyc | ok | 19:48 |
| hyc | ah. my 3G data indicator broke because I was building the rmnet driver | 19:50 |
| hyc | mucking around to see if it would do anything... | 19:50 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | rmnet would be nice | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | i heard HD2 folk had to patch that in the bootloader tho | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | and ofc cotulla patched it in MAGLDR, so the fix is a closely guarded secret... | 19:52 |
| hyc | yeah | 19:53 |
| hyc | and no, it didn't do anything at all. our AMSS just doesn't have the right stuff | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | not surprised | 19:54 |
| hyc | but anyway, android was trying to read data usage stats from rmnet0 since the file existed | 19:54 |
| hyc | therefore, no data indicators. | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | that makes sense | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | at least why it was broken makes sense :P | 19:55 |
| hyc | yeah | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | now, fix the USB issue ;) | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | i've had to revert to old kernels so i can USB tether at work without killing mah phone hahaha | 19:55 |
| hyc | yeah, been poking at that | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | i saw the fast wake from wistilt2's kernel is in the newest autobuild | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | looking good! | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | i think his time patch from 4/14 is still missing tho eh? | 19:57 |
| hyc | time patch? | 19:57 |
| hyc | no, that went in right away | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | the one that prevents drift? | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't realize that | 19:57 |
| hyc | think so | 19:57 |
| hyc | well, some patch of his from April 14 is in the tree | 19:58 |
| hyc | 3ae2f84 | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if that is the same one or not TBH | 19:59 |
| hyc | dunno | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | i just remembering you commenting on that | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | how autobuild kernels drift quite a bit | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | and his test kernels don't really at all | 19:59 |
| hyc | yeah. but it doesn't seem to be a problem now | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | must be in thar then :P | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | ugh. it's 18.00 and i have to be back here at 0500 | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | i think it's time to go home... | 20:00 |
| hyc | heh. ttyl | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | cya | 20:01 |
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| toadlife | Just called my phone and it didn't ring. | 20:02 |
| hyc | did it crash? | 20:03 |
| toadlife | Looks like a SOD | 20:03 |
| toadlife | can't connect via adb. yeah it's dead. orange light | 20:04 |
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| hyc | ok, got my data indicator back | 20:07 |
| hyc | toadlife: if you're still running one of my kernels, grab the new one on my FRX06+ web page | 20:07 |
| toadlife | I'm running the lastest autobuild. I can switch to yours though. | 20:08 |
| hyc | yeah give it a shot. it's in sync with the autobuild | 20:08 |
| hyc | but it also has my patches that I've emailed to the xdandroid-dev list | 20:09 |
| toadlife | You build page mentions better video codecs. Does that allow HQ youtube? | 20:12 |
| hyc | yes and no | 20:12 |
| toadlife | heh | 20:12 |
| hyc | some of them work | 20:12 |
| hyc | but most don't | 20:12 |
| toadlife | ok. | 20:13 |
| hyc | it looks like these codecs are limited to 480x320 rez | 20:13 |
| hyc | they will upscale the result to fullscreen | 20:13 |
| hyc | but won't decode anything that's higher rez than that | 20:13 |
| toadlife | I use the MSNBC app and the videos work with FRX06, but they really kill the phone. I might try you build later and see if it improves video with that app | 20:14 |
| hyc | cool | 20:14 |
| hyc | running Quake on my phone now to run down the battery a bit | 20:14 |
| toadlife | The TED app too. | 20:14 |
| toadlife | lol quake | 20:14 |
| hyc | i guess I could play a movie | 20:14 |
| toadlife | That a grea reminder of how awesome modern processing is compared to yesteryear | 20:15 |
| hyc | yeap | 20:15 |
| hyc | it's not awesome, it only runs about 15fps | 20:16 |
| hyc | will have to check if a smaller screen rez speeds it up | 20:17 |
| hyc | it supports multiplayer mode tho ;) | 20:17 |
| toadlife | Wish the TP2 had a dpad | 20:18 |
| toadlife | I used to play NES on my Wing | 20:18 |
| hyc | yeah | 20:18 |
| hyc | dpad, trackball, something | 20:18 |
| hyc | oh well | 20:18 |
| toadlife | Over on the WinMo side, some guy wrote a bluetooth interface for the TP that allowed you to hook up a PS3 controller | 20:19 |
| toadlife | Saw a demo of someone playing Playstation games on the TP2 at 40 FPS | 20:20 |
| hyc | cool... yeah, I guess BT ought to handle any input controller | 20:20 |
| toadlife | I'll have to file a bugreport | 20:21 |
| toadlife | BUG: PlayStation controller doesn't work. *CRITICAL* | 20:21 |
| toadlife | My SOD: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25754012/debuglogs_20110510000639.tar.gz | 20:22 |
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| hyc | you know the timestamp of your incoming call? | 20:24 |
| hyc | there's actually no call indicator in the radiolog | 20:24 |
| toadlife | 5:01PM - That's from my Cisco Phone here at work. | 20:25 |
| toadlife | It's got the same time as my phone | 20:25 |
| hyc | your radiolog ends at 23:58 | 20:26 |
| toadlife | Can't tell you the exact time though | 20:26 |
| hyc | I guess 4:58 | 20:26 |
| toadlife | Yeah | 20:26 |
| toadlife | So it died a couple of minute befire I decided to try | 20:26 |
| hyc | yeah | 20:26 |
| toadlife | oh well. I'm running your kernel now. Gotta get going. Thanks for your help | 20:27 |
| toadlife | ttyl | 20:27 |
| hyc | bye | 20:27 |
| hyc | no trace of anything in the logs | 20:27 |
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| arrrghhh | heh, this is a mess. | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, do you care about failures after the mini-reboots within Android? | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | basically everytime i have one of those, the radio comes back in an unusable state. airplane mode does nothing. | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | radio log is a fun repeating vomitfest | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | requestRegistrationState must never return an error when radio is on | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol, well it did. | 22:01 |
| hyc | some of those msgs are BS | 22:02 |
| hyc | but whatever | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | do you want to see the log? | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | rebooting the phone fixes it | 22:02 |
| hyc | what was the mini-reboot? | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | but it's kinda annoying. like adding insult to injury | 22:02 |
| hyc | and no, there's nothing to do about it | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | well i was in the amazon app store | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | getting all sorts of fun | 22:02 |
| hyc | not unless somebody fixes the smd device driver | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | (1 app) | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | and the device hung for an eternity | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | then i saw the bootani | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | it always comes back with the radio unable to do... anything. | 22:03 |
| hyc | there are a couple different mini-reboots that I've seen | 22:03 |
| hyc | sometimes only the system_server has crashed | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:03 |
| hyc | in that case, if rild hasn't crashed, everything will come back OK | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | i've had many mini-reboots | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | but lately, they've all been the same | 22:03 |
| hyc | if rild crashes, it will get restarted | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | system hang, suddenly bootani | 22:03 |
| hyc | but because the smd driver only works once, rild will be unable to communicate to the modem | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | only works once eh | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | fix the smd driver you say | 22:04 |
| hyc | remember, this is why you can never successfuly echo commands to /dev/smd0 | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | sounds like a job for! wait, you. | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea. i remember the pain. | 22:04 |
| hyc | hah. nice try. no. | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | heh. c'mon guy you fix so much. | 22:04 |
| hyc | I've fixed stuff that is pretty shallow. | 22:05 |
| arrrghhh | RIL doesn't strike me as shallow... but y'know. | 22:05 |
| hyc | the hard work of getting the drivers written in the first place - I don't have the gear for that | 22:05 |
| hyc | need to disassemble all that ARM code and find out why it does what it does | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | sounds like fun... | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | REing seems like a special skill that very few have anymoar | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | or very few have in general :P | 22:06 |
| hyc | yeah, seems to be pretty scarce | 22:07 |
| hyc | are you still mucking with nilfs? | 22:14 |
| arrrghhh | not really | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | not today at least :P | 22:16 |
| hyc | so you have logs from this market crash? | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | oh the install fail? | 22:16 |
| hyc | yeah | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | at first it would cause resets to WinMo | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | and jonpry fixed that | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | but then the install just hung | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think i have logs from the hang... hrm. | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | i might | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | ah, last logs were taken for that sleep issue | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | i might have some up still on pastebin, let me see | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | <hyc> just add no_partitions to startup.tx | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't know that :P | 22:19 |
| hyc | lol | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see any logs tho... | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | you suddenly interested in the bleeding edge? :P | 22:20 |
| hyc | yeah, a lot of thinking went into that init script before. stinebd was pretty clever ;) | 22:20 |
| hyc | nah | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | he is a sharp guy | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | if only he wasn't so freakin lazy... | 22:20 |
| * arrrghhh runs | 22:20 | |
| hyc | I'm not convinced nilfs will be practical on SDcard in the long run | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | eh probably not | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | neither is running Android from one :P | 22:21 |
| hyc | lol | 22:21 |
| hyc | I suppose I should boot my loop mounts and try to un-break how I broke secure app storage | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 22:22 |
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| hyc | oh, time for me to leave | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | your response was pretty funny. | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | basically, don't care about bugs in that build | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | hahahahaha | 22:22 |
| toadlife | heh | 22:22 |
| hyc | ;) | 22:22 |
| toadlife | Phone is running great. :) | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | hey, he's just a thorough tester :P | 22:22 |
| toadlife | Just saw a review of the Samsumg Epic 4G. It's the first Android phone I seen that has a keyboard with a dedicated number row. | 22:23 |
| hyc | ? G1 ... | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | the first Android phone | 22:24 |
| toadlife | The G1 has one? That phone is old as dirt | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | well... for consumers | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, point is it's not the first | 22:24 |
| hyc | yes it does. but yeah, Epic 4G looked nice | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | either way, epic isn't bad | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not convinced on the amoled screen | 22:24 |
| hyc | I'm pissed off that Samsung never released keyboard models for GSM | 22:24 |
| toadlife | The first that I would consider | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | or sammy's build quality | 22:24 |
| hyc | or their OS support.... | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:24 |
| toadlife | I had a demo Samsumg Vibrant for work. It was pretty nice | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | assuming there's an active development community | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | that doesn't bother me | 22:25 |
| toadlife | Sent it back after I was done with it | 22:25 |
| toadlife | Build quality...Are Samsung phones sturdy? | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | no | 22:26 |
| toadlife | hmm | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | that's why i'm not convinced on them :P | 22:26 |
| toadlife | Yeah, that's important to me | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | epic doesn't seem like a poorly build phone, but it's no TP2. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | this thing is solid. | 22:26 |
| hyc | dunno. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | i also don't like the kbd on the epic | 22:26 |
| hyc | I don't think there's anything wrong with a plastic body for a phone. | 22:26 |
| hyc | saving a few grams is worth something | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | eh i guess. just cheap. | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | there's still quite a bit of plastic on the tp2 | 22:27 |
| hyc | well, the tp2 is too heavy IMO | 22:27 |
| hyc | even the G1 is lighter | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | it's just does it hold up over time | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | it's a solid phone :P | 22:27 |
| hyc | sure | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | have you held an evo? | 22:27 |
| hyc | nope | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | those things are heavy. | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | i kinda like how it feels in your hand. feels more substantial... meh. | 22:28 |
| toadlife | I've dropped my TP2 from 3+ feet up onto a hard surface at least 4 times, and it soldeirs on. Same for my Wing. HTC phones seem to be pretty tought | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | like the original PS3 controllers w/o dualshock | 22:28 |
| hyc | heh | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | they felt so light and cheap | 22:28 |
| hyc | I would rather they fill up the phone with more functional circuits | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | but they add dualshock, and the controllers feel SO much better in your hand. | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | yea good luck with that :P | 22:29 |
| hyc | I don't want the weight to come from ballast :P | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | c'mon, more vibration motors | 22:29 |
| hyc | lol | 22:29 |
| toadlife | How about a side camera to compliment the front and back. | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | lolol | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | useful | 22:30 |
| toadlife | For those who like to take 'covert' pics. | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | actually... hrm. | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | you could take picutres | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | crap. | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | you pedo | 22:30 |
| hyc | y'know, the funniest thing about that post was that someone would release The Bible as a secure app | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | on the same track as my mind :P | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahahaha | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | i saw that dude was trying to download a bible app | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | is there a koran app? | 22:31 |
| hyc | lol | 22:31 |
| hyc | probably | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | shit maybe i should stop talking about religion. | 22:31 |
| hyc | yeah | 22:31 |
| toadlife | Heh | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | religion&politics, let's keep those off of the internet lol | 22:31 |
| hyc | there's probably a koran app, but without native Arabic support in Android, you can't read it | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, fuck. | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 22:32 |
| hyc | LOL | 22:32 |
| toadlife | I remember a ton of Koran and Bible apps at getjar.com. Those kind of apps are available for every device in existence | 22:32 |
| hyc | yeah | 22:32 |
| hyc | funny how religious zealots are always at the forefront of technology | 22:33 |
| toadlife | nah | 22:33 |
| toadlife | Those kind of apps are braindead easy to write | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | they just want to be everywhere | 22:33 |
| toadlife | They jsut display textr | 22:33 |
| hyc | yes, but how many people bother to write them? | 22:33 |
| toadlife | I mean, how hard is it to display some text? | 22:33 |
| toadlife | Well, religion does tend to motivate people. | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | ^^ | 22:34 |
| hyc | uh huh | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | 'they' want it to be everywhere. in every household. | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | however 'they' can achieve it | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | hrm... yea. no mo religion talk. | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, are you that dumb. | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i love your response | 22:35 |
| hyc | lol | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | <ryannathans> how do 'they' know when it is right to release frx07? | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | <hyc> ryannathans: huh? I thought we were just waiting for your permission to release it... | 22:35 |
| hyc | :D | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | i'm going to tell the forums! ryannathans is holding up FRX07. | 22:35 |
| hyc | LOL | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahahaha | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | sad part is, i think he was serious. | 22:36 |
| hyc | oh well | 22:37 |
| arrrghhh | i've found you can't fix stupid... you can fix willing but ignorant. | 22:37 |
| hyc | pretty much | 22:38 |
| arrrghhh | not sure about willingly ignorant tho. purposely ignorant? no wait... that's stupid. | 22:38 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 22:38 |
| hyc | lol | 22:38 |
| hyc | I think I'll change my link to FRX06.87 | 22:38 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:39 |
| hyc | .9999 | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | man that guy's reaction to my lack of a release date... | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | i shouldn't have said anything about a new build i guess. | 22:39 |
| hyc | yeah, some folks are never happy | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | seems a shame, i want people to know stuff is still happening. damnit. | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that's true, and i just shouldn't worry about it :P | 22:39 |
| toadlife | You should pace yourself arrrghhhh. You're going to burn out on xdandroid | 22:40 |
| arrrghhh | meh, if i do all the noobs can wander the world lost. i won't lose any sleep. | 22:41 |
| toadlife | If you burn I guess hyc can take over supporting the n00bs. He seems to have the right temperament. ;P | 22:42 |
| hyc | LOL | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 22:42 |
| hyc | gtf off my lawn | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | It consists of bacon shaped into a cone, filled with scrambled eggs, hash browns, and cheese with a layer of country gravy and topped with a biscuit. | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | me want. | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | "The bacone" | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | zomg i never knew there was a bacon wikia | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | http://bacon.wikia.com/wiki/Bacone | 22:50 |
| hyc | gawd | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | you know you want the heart attack that is the bacone | 22:50 |
| toadlife | Only in America | 22:53 |
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| toadlife | Crap hyc. You wern't kidding when you said you hid those links. I had to view the source to find them and even then it was hard to move the mouse to the right spot | 23:28 |
| hyc | lol | 23:29 |
| hyc | it wss too easy the first time around. | 23:30 |
| hyc | way too many people were downloading... | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't realize you shortened them | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | that's awesome | 23:37 |
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