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| manekineko | I think some keycodes aren't being properly handled by the keyboard maps/driver and was hoping to fix them, anyone I could talk to here about it? | 11:33 |
| TheDeadCPU | I might be able to help | 11:33 |
| manekineko | cool, so I'm looking at rhod400_microp-keypad.kcm | 11:34 |
| manekineko | rhod400_microp-keypad.kl | 11:34 |
| manekineko | and rhod400_nvai_pad.kl | 11:34 |
| manekineko | overall they look pretty straightforward | 11:34 |
| TheDeadCPU | They are. | 11:34 |
| manekineko | but I'm trying to remap Envelope and Grave to do something useful | 11:35 |
| manekineko | and I notice changes aren't taking | 11:35 |
| manekineko | it seems like the driver might not be passing on those keycodes to Android? | 11:35 |
| TheDeadCPU | What are you using to edit the files? | 11:35 |
| manekineko | gedit | 11:35 |
| manekineko | in Ubuntu | 11:35 |
| TheDeadCPU | Oh, that shouldn't be the problem then | 11:35 |
| TheDeadCPU | I know people trying to edit it in notepad on windows | 11:35 |
| manekineko | what is the relation between these 3 files? | 11:36 |
| TheDeadCPU | Then saving it and then it's not Unix format lol | 11:36 |
| NeoMatrixJR | which file are you editing? | 11:36 |
| NeoMatrixJR | the .kcm? or one of the .kl's | 11:36 |
| manekineko | both the keypad kcm and the kl | 11:36 |
| NeoMatrixJR | are you (for lack of a better term) compiling the .kcm to get the .kcm.bin file that goes with it? | 11:36 |
| manekineko | no, how is that done? | 11:37 |
| manekineko | I was wondering about that | 11:37 |
| TheDeadCPU | Oh, I thought you were editing the .kcm.bin | 11:37 |
| manekineko | that one's binary data, is it straightforward to hexedit it? | 11:37 |
| NeoMatrixJR | don't know. Sad to say I was the one who fixed up and made the RHOD400 kcm, but I had to have phh make the .bin for me as I didn't have a full build environment at the time. | 11:37 |
| manekineko | hmm | 11:38 |
| manekineko | any idea on what sort of environment is needed? | 11:38 |
| NeoMatrixJR | check with phh when he comes back. I never did bother to go back and figure out how those got built. sorry. But that would be why your changes aren't working. | 11:38 |
| manekineko | makes sense | 11:39 |
| manekineko | also, I was wondering | 11:39 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I don't think it reads changes to the .kcm...just the .kcm.bin | 11:39 |
| manekineko | so the kcm seems to correspond to keycodes in Android | 11:39 |
| NeoMatrixJR | yes | 11:39 |
| NeoMatrixJR | well. linux | 11:39 |
| manekineko | how are these keywords to keycode correspondences defined? | 11:39 |
| NeoMatrixJR | yeah | 11:39 |
| NeoMatrixJR | crap...I should see if I can find the IRC logs from when I did this.... | 11:39 |
| manekineko | I'm looking at this and it looks very familiar: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/KeyEvent.html | 11:39 |
| manekineko | in terms of the keywords I'm seeing | 11:40 |
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| manekineko | so Android I would expect should natively know how to handle some of this stuff | 11:40 |
| manekineko | and it does indeed seem to | 11:40 |
| manekineko | for example, the SEARCH keyword brings up the search box | 11:40 |
| manekineko | why doesn't the same thing happen with, say, ENVELOPE | 11:40 |
| manekineko | do we also have a driver of some sort that needs to be updated to be able to do that? | 11:41 |
| NeoMatrixJR | that one I just don't know. Sorry.... | 11:41 |
| manekineko | ok cool | 11:42 |
| manekineko | any idea why the navi_pad.kl was separated from the keypad.kl file? | 11:42 |
| manekineko | and why they're not just in one big kl file? | 11:42 |
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| manekineko | hmm, looks like it might be related to this driver file in the kernel http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm/blobs/htc-msm-2.6.27/drivers/input/keyboard/microp-keypad.c | 12:06 |
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| XirXes | grave actually acts as control in terminal situations | 12:22 |
| XirXes | to see what I mean run top in terminal emulator then press ctrl | 12:23 |
| manekineko_ | oh interesting | 12:24 |
| manekineko_ | grave and not envelope? | 12:24 |
| manekineko_ | rather sms and not envelope? | 12:25 |
| XirXes | yeah, i dont know what envelope does | 12:25 |
| XirXes | on my phone it doesnt do anything | 12:25 |
| manekineko_ | any insight on what would be necessary to cause envelope to pass through to Android as KEYCODE_ENVELOPE? | 12:26 |
| XirXes | f22 would be the one to ask I think | 12:26 |
| manekineko_ | ok thanks | 12:26 |
| XirXes | he spent a fair amount of time working on the keymaps a while back | 12:26 |
| manekineko_ | I don't suppose you know how to compile the kcm.bin? | 12:26 |
| XirXes | no | 12:27 |
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| manekineko_ | XirXes: Actually, my grave doesn't act a control, it seems to act as control break | 13:01 |
| XirXes | yeah. there isnt really any implimentation for ctrl in android. which really surprises me considering bluetooth keyboards are out there | 13:03 |
| XirXes | is your goal to have ctrl+c ect. | 13:03 |
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| tilt2 | ProjectAndroid2.2BLAZN.092810 the wifi wont work | 15:52 |
| tilt2 | who can help me out? | 15:53 |
| tilt2 | (0)-- (0) anny 1? | 15:54 |
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| XirXes | arrrghhh: Im getting a g2 | 16:46 |
| arrrghhh | sellout | 16:46 |
| XirXes | lol | 16:46 |
| arrrghhh | the hinge confuses me, and the kbd just looks silly. other than that, seems like a great device :P | 16:47 |
| arrrghhh | so what is going to happen to your RHOD? | 16:47 |
| XirXes | ill still have my tp2 for playing with | 16:47 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure stinebd would love it shatter it into tiny pieces | 16:47 |
| arrrghhh | i mean use it for development purposes. | 16:48 |
| XirXes | lol | 16:48 |
| XirXes | its a tough call for me. i dont want to get rid of it cause i love it | 16:48 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 16:48 |
| arrrghhh | g2 looks like a good phone tho. i know a few guys with the desire Z variant, and love it. | 16:49 |
| XirXes | but it definitly wont be my main device anymore. | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | yeA | 16:49 |
| XirXes | im excited. im getting it for free | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | i want android for google voice. really hard to use it with winmo | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | wat?@!?!? | 16:49 |
| XirXes | on a 2 year re up of course | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | they gave it to ya for free tho | 16:50 |
| arrrghhh | i thought that phone was like $200 on a 2yr | 16:50 |
| XirXes | yeah, tmo does sweet deals every once in a while | 16:50 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 16:50 |
| XirXes | it can only be had for free till the 20th | 16:50 |
| XirXes | but i agree on the GV integration | 16:51 |
| XirXes | with both os' on my phone its kindof a pita | 16:51 |
| XirXes | but if i only have android i can use all the features | 16:51 |
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| XirXes | my mom wants my tp2. im gunna let her try it for a few days. she'll give it back. shes tried winmo before and its not gunna be any better than last time she tried | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | tell your mom to stfu | 16:55 |
| XirXes | lol | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | we need it for developers to work with! | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 16:55 |
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| XirXes | i wouldnt give it to stine | 16:56 |
| XirXes | vga guys need him | 16:56 |
| XirXes | it would likely go to a kernel guy if i were to give it up. but i really dont want to | 16:57 |
| XirXes | if my g2 broke it would be like "oh noes!! I have to use my other lanscape querty device!!" | 16:58 |
| XirXes | lol | 16:58 |
| XirXes | i think what im exited about the most is having a glass screen. i really dont like the tp2s screen | 17:01 |
| arrrghhh | jezz man how many phones do you have? | 17:06 |
| arrrghhh | vga guys wouldn't lose stine either bro :P | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | he doesn't use the raph as his main phone. afaik his n1 is his 'daily-driver' | 17:07 |
| XirXes | just the one atm | 17:07 |
| XirXes | i used to have a dash and a shadow but my buddy borrowed them after i got newer hardware and broke them | 17:08 |
| arrrghhh | ouch | 17:09 |
| arrrghhh | yea i still have a mogul (ppc-6800) and a 6700. | 17:09 |
| arrrghhh | pretty useless devices now lol | 17:09 |
| XirXes | yeah. i fixed the shadow after that but i have no idea who has it atm | 17:09 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:10 |
| arrrghhh | my mom actually got a tp2. surprised the hell out of me, found out at christmas lol | 17:10 |
| arrrghhh | she has trouble using the microwave, so why she got a tp2 is beyond me. | 17:10 |
| XirXes | lol | 17:11 |
| XirXes | im putting the stock rom back on mine atm. i wanna see what its like | 17:11 |
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| arrrghhh | painful | 17:13 |
| arrrghhh | TheDeadCPU, whatup | 17:13 |
| TheDeadCPU | Game Dev Story<3 | 17:13 |
| arrrghhh | nice3 | 17:13 |
| arrrghhh | er | 17:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 17:13 |
| TheDeadCPU | I love this game | 17:13 |
| XirXes | not as good as minecraft | 17:14 |
| TheDeadCPU | It's 0.0000001% worse then Minecraft. | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | oh god | 17:14 |
| XirXes | lol | 17:14 |
| TheDeadCPU | BUT, it gets a big plus for portability. | 17:14 |
| F22 | Xirxes: what deal are you taking advantage of to get the G2 for free? | 17:14 |
| TheDeadCPU | And, I've plaid Minecraft for almost 2 years now so I'm getting rather tired of it | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | lol F22 wants in | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | you guys are on the same teenage carrier :P | 17:15 |
| F22 | O:-) | 17:15 |
| XirXes | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/t-mobile-g2-now-free-on-contract-android-buyers-have-never-had/ | 17:16 |
| TheDeadCPU | No contracts ftw<3 | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 17:16 |
| F22 | lol, that's what i get for not reading engadget today... | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 17:16 |
| F22 | i read engadget nearly every day, today i didn't. | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | fail. | 17:16 |
| XirXes | for existing users its a 450 instant discount and a 50 mail in | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | not bad | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | so you paid $50 up front then? | 17:16 |
| XirXes | lol i saw it last night | 17:16 |
| XirXes | i havent done it yet | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | so you don't have a g2 yet | 17:17 |
| F22 | you're not an existing tmo customer Xirx? | 17:17 |
| XirXes | i am | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | ah you did say i'm getting | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | damnit. | 17:17 |
| XirXes | im reuping | 17:17 |
| F22 | contract expired? | 17:17 |
| XirXes | yeah, | 17:18 |
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| XirXes | i used someone elses plan reup to get my tp2 | 17:18 |
| F22 | hmm...i still have 8 months on my contract, not sure if i could swing it. tmobile retentions can be very gracious at times, it depends on how much wiggle room their management gives them that day. | 17:19 |
| XirXes | indeed | 17:20 |
| XirXes | i played with one a while ago. they're zippy | 17:21 |
| F22 | pity they don't have the 8255, pity they don't have a tiltable 5 row qwerty... | 17:22 |
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| arrrghhh | hahahaha | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i'm still trying to be patient. | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | especially since dual-core phones are just starting to come out. | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | i can wait for one o dem :D | 17:23 |
| F22 | i really like the atrix concept, htc needs to come out with something like that. | 17:23 |
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| XirXes | the cpu in it is newer and has a smaller die size. they can oc it to 1.5 Ghz stable | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | yea, but i don't want to OC the phone to 1.5ghz. | 17:23 |
| XirXes | F22: agreed | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | i want a dual-core 1.5ghz phone :P | 17:23 |
| XirXes | i wont be | 17:23 |
| XirXes | maybe 1.2 | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | they underclocked it to 800mhz intentionally | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | battery life | 17:24 |
| XirXes | and it wont be right away | 17:24 |
| F22 | i love the idea of turning the phone into a laptop with a laptop dock. | 17:24 |
| XirXes | i dont give a damn about battery life | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | if i can't make it thru a day | 17:24 |
| stinebd | uh oh | 17:24 |
| stinebd | emwe broke the list | 17:24 |
| XirXes | yeah. the atrix is badass | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | then there's a problem. | 17:24 |
| XirXes | for a moto | 17:24 |
| stinebd | sent a message that's too big and i have to approve manually | 17:25 |
| F22 | bad emwe. lol. | 17:25 |
| stinebd | all fixed | 17:25 |
| stinebd | limit increased to 4MB | 17:25 |
| F22 | cool | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | 4mb of text lol | 17:25 |
| F22 | theoretically it won't happen again, and if it does, the message deserves to be flagged. | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | he wrote a damned novel | 17:26 |
| F22 | that's the new limit arrrghhh. | 17:26 |
| F22 | what was the old limit stinebd? | 17:26 |
| stinebd | 40KB | 17:26 |
| F22 | ahh | 17:26 |
| stinebd | a slight increase | 17:26 |
| F22 | lol, yep. | 17:27 |
| stinebd | 4000KB should be enough for anybody | 17:27 |
| arrrghhh | i'd hope so | 17:27 |
| stinebd | </gates> | 17:27 |
| F22 | lol | 17:27 |
| manekineko_ | hey any of you guys have the AOSP installed and able to give me a copy of anyone here have the full AOSP on their system and able to kcm/makekcharmap which I understand is part of it? | 17:27 |
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| arrrghhh | damn i'm watching a demo for the atrix, that's insane. | 17:27 |
| manekineko_ | whoops, copy and paste error | 17:27 |
| manekineko_ | anyone here have the full AOSP on their system and able to send me kcm/makekcharmap which I understand is part of it? | 17:27 |
| XirXes | yeah. its pretty sweet | 17:27 |
| stinebd | manekineko_: one sec | 17:28 |
| F22 | atrix is very impressive. | 17:28 |
| XirXes | i dont remeber, does it have tegra2? | 17:28 |
| F22 | yep, it does | 17:29 |
| * XirXes drools | 17:29 | |
| arrrghhh | just that it can run a full computer basically... | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | insane. | 17:29 |
| stinebd | manekineko_: http://maduin.southcape.org/~bryan/android/kcm | 17:29 |
| stinebd | from gingerbread | 17:29 |
| stinebd | doubt it matters which version though | 17:29 |
| F22 | that reminds me, i need to submit the new keymaps i made. | 17:29 |
| manekineko_ | thanks! | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | F22, seriously :P | 17:29 |
| manekineko_ | this compiled for Linux32 I assume? | 17:30 |
| stinebd | yes | 17:30 |
| XirXes | fuck i hate windows. my usb pnp broke | 17:31 |
| manekineko_ | great, much obliged | 17:31 |
| F22 | i have all the rhod keymaps done, i just need to finish up the microp layouts for french and german keyboards. | 17:31 |
| manekineko_ | F22, what'd you change? I was just about to mess with those | 17:31 |
| F22 | lots of things. | 17:31 |
| F22 | give me a min and i'll put up a spreadsheet listing them. | 17:32 |
| F22 | i was having a really hard time keeping track of all the changes across 9 different keyboards, so i made that spreadsheet. | 17:32 |
| manekineko_ | nice | 17:32 |
| manekineko_ | you mind sending me a copy of your updated rootfs? | 17:34 |
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| arrrghhh | there's a thread with it | 17:34 |
| manekineko_ | also, you integrate MassStash's change to wake only on power? | 17:34 |
| arrrghhh | that is a rootfs change? | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | the XDA thread in the Rhod forum? | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | ya, on PPCGeeks | 17:35 |
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| arrrghhh | yea there's a thread on XDA with f22's rootfs changes. | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/139678-anti-buttons-wake-rootfs.html | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | i've seen it | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | did it get committed? | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | oh, so no changes since that one? | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | that one is pretty old | 17:35 |
| F22 | the rootfs in the thread isn't my latest. | 17:35 |
| manekineko_ | switches the end call button to home | 17:35 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 17:35 |
| F22 | i need to make a new one with all the latest changes. | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | among other things. | 17:36 |
| F22 | i have a nov 15th and a nov 22nd rootfs that are currently available. the american kbds haven't changed much since. | 17:36 |
| arrrghhh | did MassStash's changes get committed? seems like not. | 17:36 |
| F22 | the changes are mostly in the euro 100 kbd's. | 17:36 |
| manekineko_ | no, as far as I know MassStash didn't submit his changes for commit, just shared them on the board | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i didn't realize other keys would wake the phone. | 17:38 |
| F22 | big diff between the nov 15th and the 22nd rootfs is that the 15th makes the end key home automatically, while the 22nd rootfs requires the b4=home parameter in startup.txt so people who like the old behavior can keep it. | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | i would assume only the power button wakes the device. if that's not the case, his fix should get committed. | 17:38 |
| arrrghhh | F22, what happened with that? i was really looking forward to that feature getting committed. | 17:38 |
| manekineko_ | Yeah that sounds great | 17:38 |
| manekineko_ | F22, how did you manage that with just a rootfs change? | 17:39 |
| F22 | i didn't remap the power button with that one. it's only if you want to change the power button's behavior that you also need a new kernel. | 17:39 |
| F22 | so if you want to make power your home button, yes, you need a new kernel as well as a new rootfs. | 17:40 |
| manekineko_ | makes sense | 17:40 |
| manekineko_ | great change, looking forward to it | 17:40 |
| F22 | some other changes include a working control key, a working symbol key, pretty much all the missing all the characters you'd find on a normal keyboard, and envelope with search. search by the way is also the shortcut key, and that makes it highly useful on the keyboard. | 17:43 |
| F22 | envelope as search i mean. | 17:43 |
| manekineko_ | control key? I don't see that on the Android keycode list, how'd you manage that? | 17:43 |
| F22 | a lot of apps including terminal emulator and connectbot treat dpad_center as control. | 17:44 |
| manekineko_ | cool | 17:44 |
| manekineko_ | you planning on doing anything with REAR_MUTE? | 17:44 |
| manekineko_ | I was considering modding that to Search | 17:45 |
| manekineko_ | and changing Envelope to AT | 17:45 |
| F22 | rear mute was only assigned correctly on the 400 and 500 i think. i had to add it to the others from what i recall. | 17:46 |
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| manekineko_ | assigned as in assigned to rear_mute, which doesn't do anything yet right? | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt is looking into making that functional AFAIK | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | he's looking at 10,000,000,000 other things too tho. | 17:47 |
| F22 | it would probably help him if the tilt2's layout file had the correct scancode for it... :P | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | i don't get why that's the only keymap that doesn't start with rhod | 17:49 |
| manekineko_ | what is making it functional anyways? The only thing it does in WinMo is muting on speakerphone mode right? | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | muting on speakerphone mode, that's it. a lot of ideas have been batted around so the button can do dual-duty | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | like a search button or a camera button. i'd like to see it be a search button. | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | it'd be easy to make it search single duty | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | I already have that running on my rhodium at the moment | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | it'd also be easy to make it mute for all calls | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | oh you mean mute all the time? | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | even when not in speakerphone mode? | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | yeah, not just speaker | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | there's an Android keycode for mute | 17:52 |
| manekineko_ | assign it in the keypad.kl and it's done I think | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | eh i guess. it's just in bad place, you can easily hit it when on a normal call - non-speakerphone call. | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | i guess it does take a few newtons of force to physically press the button. i don't *think* i've ever accidently hit it, but no way to know really. | 17:53 |
| manekineko_ | ya, that was my though too, which is why I made in search on mine | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | does it search while in a call? lol | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that wouldn't really hurt anything. | 17:53 |
| manekineko_ | only reason to make it mute is because that's what it did in WinMo | 17:54 |
| manekineko_ | otherwise, it's a damn weird place for a mute button | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 17:54 |
| F22 | http://www.mediafire.com/?8kmaduk5usv3pnn <--- keymap/layout additions/changes | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | i think the theory is it's based on the prox sensor | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | if the phone is face down, light up the button (i think) | 17:54 |
| manekineko_ | yeah, when everything in the project is working well, i.e. the speaker and the prox, it seems kinda cool, especially since it had a little light on it | 17:55 |
| manekineko_ | haha ya | 17:55 |
| manekineko_ | but at the moment, seems like it might as well be used for something like search | 17:55 |
| arrrghhh | yea wistilt proved he can change the light back thar :P | 17:55 |
| arrrghhh | yea. i'd love to see it be search personally. | 17:55 |
| F22 | i'm going to put the latest version of my rootfs up for testing and comment on xda in the next day or two. | 17:56 |
| F22 | that spreadsheet has the change/addition list on it. | 17:57 |
| manekineko_ | what opens an ODS? | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | open office | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | google docs | 17:57 |
| F22 | open office, google docs, i think the latest version of excel too. | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | anything but microsoft office :P | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | oh right, EU is making them be more compliant and interpolable. | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | er... yea. spelling force not with me today. | 17:58 |
| manekineko_ | ok ya, got it open on OpenOffice | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko_, that's an "OpenDocument" format. | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | ODX | 17:58 |
| manekineko_ | F22, did you have to make a kernel edit to get the sym button to work? | 17:59 |
| F22 | nope | 17:59 |
| F22 | it's actually a google hack. | 17:59 |
| F22 | found it in the g1 keymap. | 17:59 |
| manekineko_ | and you managed to get it attached to fn => comma | 17:59 |
| manekineko_ | ? | 18:00 |
| F22 | allows the sym key to double duty. | 18:00 |
| F22 | yup, that's why i call it a google hack. | 18:00 |
| manekineko_ | cool | 18:00 |
| manekineko_ | man those Tilt users have an extra button for the camera? lucky gits | 18:00 |
| F22 | google actually created a hex code just for the sym key that can be placed within the keymap. | 18:01 |
| arrrghhh | RHOD300 has a PTT button manekineko_ | 18:01 |
| F22 | yeah, push to talk | 18:01 |
| F22 | i'm actually thinking of making an option that assigns end to camera and call to home. | 18:02 |
| manekineko_ | heh, camera barely even works still | 18:02 |
| arrrghhh | blasphemy F22 ! | 18:03 |
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| F22 | yep, that's why i haven't done it yet. waiting for jerome to get the bugs out and for the code to get committed to the kernel git. | 18:03 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: it will be entirely optional. :P | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol i hope so! :P | 18:03 |
| manekineko_ | is there any way to get the fn => left browser button to link to the browser keycode? | 18:04 |
| manekineko_ | I didn't see any way to do that without hacks | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | jerome is doin a great job. he seems to be struggling with that blackstone sensor tho. | 18:04 |
| XirXes | its not a hack if you have the source code. just a modification | 18:05 |
| F22 | not certain, that depends on whether or not that's built into the framework for a specific keycode. it's easier just to use the default shortcut for it. | 18:05 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, lol. | 18:05 |
| F22 | once you have the search key on the kbd you have access to the shortcuts when you can assign/reassign to your heart's content. | 18:05 |
| F22 | when=which | 18:05 |
| manekineko_ | well, there's a keycode for browser called Explorer, but I didn't see any way to add keycodes into the kcm files, only the kl files | 18:06 |
| arrrghhh | so i'm curious about the graphics stuff that tiad8 has been pushing forever now. | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | can we get at least the gralloc committed? | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | that's system image tho huh | 18:07 |
| manekineko_ | is the control key on SMS just there for ctrl-c like grave is currently set to? if so, seems like maybe it could just be added to fn-c or something like that to save a key | 18:07 |
| F22 | yes, keycodes must be added to the layout file. | 18:07 |
| F22 | a real pita that | 18:08 |
| manekineko_ | tiad8's improvements in graphics smoothness seem hard to deny, it'd be great if it were possible for them to be committed | 18:09 |
| F22 | graphics smoothness improvements aren't because of tiad8. he just packaged them up for the newbs. | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | well he didn't really improve the gralloc | 18:09 |
| F22 | ACL is responsible for those. | 18:09 |
| manekineko_ | but he did drop in a new driver | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | he inspiried acl to look at the gralloc | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:09 |
| manekineko_ | well not his writing | 18:10 |
| manekineko_ | but he dug it up from somewhere | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | he dug up an old libGLES file | 18:10 |
| F22 | yup | 18:10 |
| stinebd | have him submit those changes to me | 18:10 |
| stinebd | or nothing will get done | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | i question the libGLES crap | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | which we can't really verify definitively | 18:10 |
| manekineko_ | also, his build.prop enables certain games to run that only used to run on Neo builds to run on XDAndroid | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | gralloc definitely could get committed | 18:11 |
| stinebd | i can't test gralloc | 18:11 |
| F22 | We really should ask ACL if he wants his libGLES and gralloc committed. i think the issue was that the files may be for wvga handsets only. | 18:11 |
| stinebd | right | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | well bzo and acl found a miscalc in the values or some such | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | yea wvga only is right. | 18:11 |
| stinebd | i'll be unable to verify any wvga changes on my own | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | gralloc is good to go, i can definitely say that. bzo and acl worked that out. | 18:12 |
| arrrghhh | the libGLES is a proprietary .so file... and tiad8 just found it in some old neopeek build i think. probably from cyanogen. | 18:12 |
| manekineko_ | the noepeek builds always used to have wider compatibility than XDAndroid with Android apps that use graphics before tiad8's mods | 18:13 |
| stinebd | i dislike neopeek's consistently disconnected nature | 18:13 |
| manekineko_ | disconnected? | 18:14 |
| stinebd | he offers no feedback | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | yea i'm talkin with reef about that dude right now actually. very distant. | 18:14 |
| stinebd | and has largely duplicated effort that was being done in #htc-linux | 18:14 |
| manekineko_ | i think tiad8's build.prop was actually dug up from one of Neopeek's builds too | 18:15 |
| stinebd | i didn't see anything interesting in the build.prop | 18:15 |
| arrrghhh | yea, tiad8 hasn't developed anything. he just mixes and matches, sees what works best. | 18:15 |
| manekineko_ | well, he's a chef, not a developer | 18:15 |
| arrrghhh | he's doing good work, just so long as he's not taking credit :P | 18:16 |
| arrrghhh | basicallly, yea. | 18:16 |
| manekineko_ | I recall looking into the build.prop before too and not really being able to figure out what was changed | 18:16 |
| manekineko_ | nonetheless, I did a before and after comparison | 18:16 |
| manekineko_ | and had a program that would run with it mounted, and would not run without it mounted | 18:16 |
| F22 | manekineko_: the issue with assigning keycodes in the layout file is that you can't assign more than one. For example, the 400 has a SMS/MMS key. can't do both without writing hacks into the java framework. can only do one or the other. so you're going to waste keys regardless of what you do unfortunately. | 18:16 |
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| F22 | shortcuts via the search key are also incredibly useful. for example, search+s opens up text messaging, search+b opens up your browser, search+c opens up your contacts, search+e opens the generic email program, search+g opens up gmail, search+i the calendar, etc... and they're user assignable/reassignable. | 18:33 |
| manekineko_ | out of curiosity anyone know if the system server 100% CPU issue is present in other Android builds like Neopeek? i.e. is it a kernel or userland issue? | 18:35 |
| arrrghhh | well i think wistilt2 said when he turned off netloc the problem disappeared | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | which is great i guess if you're gsm | 18:37 |
| manekineko_ | netloc is to locate your position from towers? | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | ja | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | which makes me wonder, netloc doesn't work at all for cdma | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | so could be related | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | something in userland fighting the RIL. dunno. | 18:39 |
| manekineko_ | so I guess it's great if you're CDMA to turn off netloc | 18:39 |
| manekineko_ | rather than GSM | 18:39 |
| manekineko_ | hmm | 18:39 |
| manekineko_ | that's a pretty low priority for devs is the impression I get, which is unfortunate, so the fix for the system server might be a ways off | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | it's hard to fix | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | not necessairly low on the priorities... | 18:40 |
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| manekineko_ | i mean the CDMA netloc | 18:40 |
| manekineko_ | is there anyone looking at that? | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | don't think so | 18:40 |
| manekineko_ | yeah, that's what I meant with the low priority | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2 kinda offered to... kinda. | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | he can't directly tho, as he doesn't have cdma. | 18:41 |
| manekineko_ | heh, he's on everything | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | basically :P | 18:41 |
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| manekineko_ | do GSM phones have the system server 100% issue? | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | but wistilt2 said when he turned off netloc it went away | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | when he found out it happens when it's off for cdma, that's when he kinda offered to look at it. | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not even sure what logs to get in relation to netloc | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | probably some logcat -b radio crap. need a radio expert to look at it. | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | which AFAIK we're just basing our RIL off of dzo's work for the vogue. | 18:43 |
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| stickman89 | hey guys | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | what up | 18:58 |
| stickman89 | nothing really, everyone has fallen asleep and Im the last one up. | 18:58 |
| stickman89 | some reason sitting in the dark at the computer eating quavers lol | 18:59 |
| stickman89 | mcnutty about? | 19:00 |
| manekineko_ | I just ran a search on Neopeek's site, and can't seem to find anyone complaining about system taking 100% | 19:00 |
| manekineko_ | did XDAndroid have any problems with this prior to FRX03? | 19:00 |
| stickman89 | taking 100% of what? | 19:01 |
| manekineko_ | CPU time | 19:01 |
| manekineko_ | lagging the system and causing errors all over like with wifi | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko_, it did, but it was much, much less apparent. | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | it occured much less frequently for whatever reason. | 19:01 |
| manekineko_ | was it the shift to FRX03 though I wonder, or just kernel upgrades | 19:02 |
| manekineko_ | I do remember that this issue didn't used to be present to nearly this degree | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | stickman89, nate doesn't get on irc much, and if anywhere he hangs out in htc-linux AFAIK. | 19:02 |
| manekineko_ | now it's on almost every boot for me | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko_, same. just make a call to vm lol | 19:02 |
| stickman89 | cheers arrrghhh i kinda figured he might be in that channel but I didn't want to rudley dissapear after saying hello :) | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | ha, you can sit in many channels | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | i do it quite frequently :P | 19:03 |
| stickman89 | yeah got tabs up now | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | but yea nate's not in thar | 19:03 |
| stickman89 | no worries | 19:03 |
| stickman89 | cheers though | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | cheers indeed | 19:04 |
| stickman89 | hehe ^^ | 19:04 |
| manekineko_ | seems likely that it's some sort of problem in FRX03 to me, given that Neopeek's builds don't seem to have users complaining about this issue | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | it's definitely worse in FRX03 | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | somehow JIT shielded us from such atrocities while causing a slew of other problems...? | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | my point being, there wasn't a lot changed in FRX03 other than JIT getting disabled AFAIK. stinebd can speak better to that tho... | 19:06 |
| manekineko_ | hmm I wonder if that could be true...as I recall Neopeek's build.prop has JIT | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | probably | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | JIT caused so many other issues tho, it's not even funny. | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | and the whole system_server thing does seem to center around netloc. | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | we've found instances of it on CM builds back in 2009. the fix didn't work for us tho, can't remember why at the moment. | 19:08 |
| manekineko_ | CM? | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | cyanogenmod | 19:08 |
| manekineko_ | oh really? running on native Android devices? | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | mmmmhmmmm | 19:09 |
| manekineko_ | wow weird | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | it was related to netloc | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | and wistilt2 said he turned netloc off, and the issue disappeared. he said he didn't experience it for days. | 19:10 |
| manekineko_ | but then doesn't work on CDMA | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | and he would experience it every boot before | 19:10 |
| manekineko_ | damn, that's a shame, considering we don't have netloc anyway | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea... | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | i'd like to get that fixed | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | might unearth the system_server issue as well | 19:10 |
| manekineko_ | yeah, I really miss it, it's a pretty key feature on Android, underpins all the passive location services | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | gps is a PITA and a drain | 19:11 |
| manekineko_ | esp considering it breaks sleep | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | haha yea | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | i think a lot of people are avoiding it, because they're not comfortable with the code | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | which i can't say i blame them, work on what you know... | 19:12 |
| manekineko_ | yeah, there's plenty of things to work on to go around still I think haha | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | if only dzo was still around, his RIL antics would save us. | 19:13 |
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| XirXes | yeah. i havent had the issue really at all since i turned off netloc | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | oh sorry. dunno what came over me :P | 19:16 |
| XirXes | ive still had it. but the majoraty of my boots are just fine | 19:16 |
| XirXes | lol | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | i'd like to figure out why netloc doesn't work, and hopefully trace at least a portion of the system_server issue hopefully | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | too many hopefully's. ah well. | 19:17 |
| XirXes | once you take care of it tho android runs pretty nice for a g1 like device | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | either way, i'm not sure how to begin. | 19:17 |
| F22 | what is the recommended way of turning off netloc? i have use wireless networks turned off in location settings and still get the system_server problem. | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | F22, all locatcion based services are off? | 19:19 |
| XirXes | i just unchecked all the boxes in that area. | 19:19 |
| arrrghhh | i think those two checkboxes suffice. | 19:19 |
| arrrghhh | location* | 19:19 |
| F22 | both use wireless networks and use gps satellites are currently off. i know for a fact then i booted up i had system_server problems. although i didn't check right after i booted. so i suppose it's possible something else has turned them off since. | 19:20 |
| F22 | fact then i booted=fact when i booted | 19:21 |
| XirXes | im finally gunna set up dual boot on my pc today | 19:21 |
| F22 | need to learn how to do substitution with the bot in this room. | 19:21 |
| F22 | xdandroid s/need/Need/ | 19:22 |
| XirXes | even with netloc off when i have the issue getting my location in maps still fixes it | 19:22 |
| F22 | oh well...i know i've seen it done. | 19:22 |
| XirXes | my feeling on it is that JIT was preventing it then its deff caused in userspace | 19:23 |
| XirXes | cause JITs only for java | 19:23 |
| F22 | i don't think that was the only change in FRX03. but it certainly is a workable theory. | 19:24 |
| F22 | we get fewer crashes with FRX03, but the frequency of system_server going nuts has increased exponentially. | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | F22, i don't think this bot does... not sure tho. stinebd are you alive? we have a silly question! | 19:29 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, re-enable jit if you'd like | 19:30 |
| F22 | yeah, it's just a line in the build.prop. wouldn't be hard to test your theory out. | 19:30 |
| arrrghhh | yea just modify the build.prop and bind mount it with the froyo.user.conf | 19:31 |
| XirXes | ill play with it when i get linux set up. im gunna use a multilib slackware install so it could be difficult to get a working build environment going | 19:31 |
| F22 | dual boot is fun, although i prefer to have two working pc's. shutting down and rebooting is a pain, not so much due to the time that takes, so much as the time it takes to get everything i was working on back up on my screen. :P | 19:33 |
| stickman89 | i think dual boot is messy and agree with F22's about the annoyance of having to reboot, tend to just use my laptop for compiling least then I'm not restricted to one place for | 19:36 |
| stickman89 | however long i'm on it. | 19:36 |
| stickman89 | good night all, i'm off to bed me thinks :D | 19:40 |
| F22 | i spend most of my time in linux anyway, only time i move to windows is when i need to run an app that only works in windows and doesn't work with wine. that's usually means a game, but pc gaming isn't what it was. consoles have stolen most of the pc's gaming clout. | 19:40 |
| F22 | g'note stickman | 19:40 |
| XirXes | yeah. but my plan is to move away from windows. | 19:40 |
| F22 | g'nite | 19:40 |
| stickman89 | hahah exactly the same F22, only use windows to game lol | 19:40 |
| F22 | i can't spell to save my life tonight. | 19:40 |
| stickman89 | only because ATI are awful in linux :( | 19:41 |
| XirXes | thats the only thing thats held me to windows besides easy setup | 19:41 |
| XirXes | i have nvidea | 19:41 |
| F22 | need to go nvidia... ;) | 19:41 |
| XirXes | :) | 19:41 |
| stickman89 | I've got a nvidia lying around | 19:41 |
| F22 | i always buy nvidia for that reason | 19:41 |
| stickman89 | only a GTX 260 Black Edition though | 19:41 |
| stickman89 | :( | 19:41 |
| F22 | i still have a 8800 GTS 512 :P | 19:42 |
| stickman89 | the XFX version | 19:42 |
| XirXes | got a gtx 430 for christmas | 19:42 |
| XirXes | yours is probably better then mine | 19:42 |
| XirXes | the 430 is less a gaming card and more a media card | 19:42 |
| stickman89 | I had a 3870x2 but it had issues so I RMA'd it, anyway they no longer had that card in stock so they sent me a Sapphire HD 5830 DX11 card so I wasn't complaining. | 19:42 |
| XirXes | i replaced a 9400 gt 512 | 19:43 |
| stickman89 | a free upgrade to DX11 lol wicked | 19:43 |
| XirXes | nice | 19:43 |
| stickman89 | gotta love overclockers | 19:43 |
| F22 | 8800 GTS 512 was pretty high up there in its time. not sure how it compares these days with the middle and lower end cards of today. | 19:43 |
| XirXes | i just need to learn how to do all the other stuff i do in windows in linux | 19:43 |
| stickman89 | especially when they knew that I removed the GPU heatsink to clean the dust so my warranty was void. | 19:44 |
| F22 | i don't play enough games to upgrade every year. | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, lol you sound like my dad :? | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | er | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | :/ | 19:44 |
| XirXes | lol. go to your room | 19:44 |
| stickman89 | haha | 19:44 |
| F22 | rofl | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | hahahaha. haven't lived under his roof in almost 10 years! | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 19:44 |
| stickman89 | i might need to lol i said good night a couple minutes ago now hehe | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | yea seriously | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | ;) | 19:45 |
| F22 | there is certainly a learning curve with linux, although it's not as steep as it used to be. most things work out of the box these days. | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | means i get to say g'nite to ya tho stickman89 | 19:45 |
| stickman89 | :D yay | 19:45 |
| stickman89 | did you miss the oppurtunity? | 19:45 |
| XirXes | yeah. the multilib parts gunn be the hard part but itl be fun | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | i thought i had | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | but you kept talking lol | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | you were drawn back by talk of video cards | 19:46 |
| stickman89 | hahah yeah F22's comments cought my attention | 19:46 |
| stickman89 | haha yup | 19:46 |
| stickman89 | I'm a IT Tech lol who wouldn't :) | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | ditto :P | 19:46 |
| stickman89 | well I lost my job but still.... very techy :) | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | aw... sorry to hear that. | 19:46 |
| XirXes | i found the rom im gunna put on my g2 | 19:46 |
| stickman89 | contract came to an end :( | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | ah. that will hapen. | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | happen* | 19:47 |
| XirXes | cyanogen 7 nighly | 19:47 |
| XirXes | *nightly | 19:47 |
| stickman89 | issue in HR meant that I couldn't apply again. | 19:47 |
| F22 | sounds bleeding edge Xirx. | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, stfu. #xdandroid. (notice i only point that out when he's talking about his g2 :P) | 19:47 |
| stickman89 | lol | 19:47 |
| XirXes | gingerbread | 19:47 |
| F22 | sounds like someone is jealous... ;) | 19:47 |
| XirXes | lol | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps. | 19:47 |
| stickman89 | still got my Htc hero here, finding the screen to small for use lol | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | i can't give up this kbd | 19:48 |
| F22 | not that much difference between the g2 and the evo shift 4g...aside from sense which can either be a pro or a con depending on how you look at it. | 19:48 |
| stickman89 | i swear it wasn't that small | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | i want to rip out the internals and throw them on the ground | 19:48 |
| XirXes | i know what you mean arrrghhh, its gunna be tough | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i saw the shift | 19:48 |
| stickman89 | still got my kaiser with android (cheers DZO) ^^, | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | good ole dzo | 19:48 |
| stickman89 | yup :) | 19:48 |
| stickman89 | Android on the kaiser is rediculously fast compared to it running winmo | 19:49 |
| F22 | doesn't he still post in the vogue android forum on xda on occasion? i know he's long since stopped hanging out on #htc-linux. | 19:49 |
| stickman89 | got my htc elf somewhere too hahaha | 19:49 |
| stickman89 | yeah he just released gingerbread for the kaiser | 19:49 |
| XirXes | well its time for me to shutdown and start installing. see you on the other side | 19:49 |
| stickman89 | later | 19:50 |
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| F22 | good luck Xirx. | 19:50 |
| stickman89 | I'm not actually tired lol, I thought i killed the convo as it went quiet straight after i posted. | 19:50 |
| arrrghhh | he released gb for the kaiser?!? | 19:51 |
| arrrghhh | madman. | 19:51 |
| stickman89 | yeah its runs nice | 19:51 |
| arrrghhh | we need to get him a rhod so he can fix everything :P | 19:51 |
| F22 | i wish i could upgrade my tp2 like i can my desktop, do a brain transplant and keep everything else... | 19:51 |
| arrrghhh | seriously | 19:51 |
| F22 | new mb, cpu & memory | 19:51 |
| stickman89 | the kaiser community donated a kaiser to him to get us up to par with the vogue. | 19:51 |
| arrrghhh | why haven't we donated this man a rhod | 19:52 |
| stickman89 | yeah would be wicked. | 19:52 |
| F22 | somebody should donate a rhod to him... | 19:52 |
| F22 | lol, ninja'd. | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | holy crap | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln, | 19:52 |
| stickman89 | whack an ARM7 in there lol, porting MIUI would be a breeze then :) | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think he ever donated his | 19:52 |
| F22 | there still isn't a better kbd in existence then the tp2's imho. | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | +1 | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | i think we still have a donor rhod | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | damn wistilt2 had one evidently | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | i think he shipped it off | 19:53 |
| stickman89 | we need some more HDPI based builds, there are next to none avail. | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | i want to say Kraln had a donor RHOD as well... | 19:54 |
| F22 | yup, he did. although viruscrazy/jerome is certainly a worthy recipient. | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just thinking we need RIL help | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | and dzo is the man when it comes to that. | 19:54 |
| F22 | for that system_server bug...yep... | 19:54 |
| F22 | dzo is kind of the man for everything... | 19:54 |
| F22 | :P | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | that too | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | another good reason to get that man a RHOD!! | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | :d | 19:55 |
| stickman89 | guys over at neopeed are donating a device (forget which one) to the DFT team who have aggreed to look at porting there MAGLDR bootloader to that device. | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | ER | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 19:55 |
| stickman89 | let me check now. | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 19:55 |
| stickman89 | DFT had a vote up recently for porting android to devices. | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | not sure i want magldr :P | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | but, i guess it couldn't hurt. | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | more the merrier | 19:56 |
| stickman89 | true | 19:56 |
| F22 | i have mixed feelings about magldr. pity cotula has to keep it closed source. | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 19:56 |
| stickman89 | what's the issue with RIL? | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | stickman89, other than it's just half-assed slapped in from vogue? nothing. | 19:56 |
| stickman89 | hahahha | 19:57 |
| stickman89 | really? damn. | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | as i understand it, yes. | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | and i have reason to believe that netloc is causing system_server issues | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | plus, netloc doesn't work for CDMA :( | 19:57 |
| stickman89 | who's responsible for that one? | 19:57 |
| F22 | stickman89: it's believed that the system_server problem stems from an issue in the ril. | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | responsible? | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | fer what? | 19:58 |
| stickman89 | ahh right I got ya. | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | makin crap work? :P | 19:58 |
| stickman89 | for using the RIL from vogue. | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | it worked lol i think that's why | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think anyone is a RIL expert | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | there's probably more than a few things under the hood that are just there 'because it works' y'know? | 20:01 |
| F22 | wistilt2 has one in his employ, but he can't lend him out currently since they have a current product to launch that he's currently neck deep in. | 20:01 |
| F22 | :P | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | he was saying march or may i think | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | i'm more than ready to give any and all crap i can from mah phone | 20:01 |
| F22 | march is what i recall too. | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | unfortunately he doesn't have a cdma device... | 20:01 |
| F22 | even if he did, how would he test it without service? | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | hopefully i can get logs | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | and have the radio expert look at the RIL code | 20:02 |
| stickman89 | hmmm contract is due to be renewed this year, haven't even looked at what's coming up. | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | he may just see something wrong, y'know | 20:02 |
| F22 | what carrier? | 20:02 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: lol, i hope it's that quick and easy. | 20:03 |
| stickman89 | t-mobile | 20:03 |
| arrrghhh | yea, it probably won't be. oh well lol | 20:03 |
| F22 | t-mobile will be getting that new samsung vibrant plus with the 21 mbs HSPA+. | 20:04 |
| F22 | some other new things in there. still no flash though. :( | 20:05 |
| stickman89 | nice, will check out spec | 20:05 |
| F22 | and no kbd. | 20:05 |
| stickman89 | I missed my keyboard from my kaiser :( | 20:05 |
| F22 | need one with the kbd like the epic. | 20:05 |
| stickman89 | yh | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | i wasn't a fan of the epic | 20:07 |
| F22 | Reef is still waiting for his froyo update on the captivate. AT&T has yet to update any of its android phones, and samsung's rep for updates are terrible. i wonder if he'll still be glad he got that captivate a year from now. | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | it was fast, don't get me wrong | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | surprised about the nexus S y'know?> | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | sammy goes from horrible in updates to the best? lol | 20:08 |
| F22 | only because google is handling that one themselves. | 20:08 |
| F22 | put touch wiz on it and it will take a year at least, if it even gets it. :P | 20:09 |
| stickman89 | some carriers are locking down HBOOT, making it extremely difficult to root now. Bastards. | 20:09 |
| F22 | people complain about updates with htc phones, but htc still has the best record by far on android updates. | 20:10 |
| stickman89 | I hope they don't all follow that route, XDA will always be there pushing on through :) | 20:11 |
| F22 | yup :) | 20:11 |
| stickman89 | agreed F22, tad messy with their due dates though lol | 20:11 |
| F22 | lol, yup. | 20:11 |
| arrrghhh | haha indeed | 20:12 |
| stickman89 | I remember the HERO forum going crazy waiting for their 2.1 update, it was rediculous and by the time that was released 2.2 just got pushed out by google. | 20:12 |
| F22 | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204779/Android_upgrades_Manufacturer_comparison_?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1 | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | pretty lame | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i've seen that. awesome. | 20:13 |
| arrrghhh | sony... shame on you. | 20:13 |
| arrrghhh | lg & dell, not surprised LOL | 20:13 |
| stickman89 | yeah they do suck | 20:13 |
| stickman89 | I was just thinking that arrrghhh | 20:13 |
| arrrghhh | i think the phone companies should let the community do it | 20:14 |
| arrrghhh | seriously | 20:14 |
| arrrghhh | every device would be AOSP compliant lol | 20:14 |
| F22 | dell is kind of new to the android game, not surprising that they are slow to upgrade. but at least the streak is getting upgraded. it's just the at&t version that's an issue, and that isn't surprising, no at&t android phones have gotten an upgrade yet. | 20:14 |
| stickman89 | that would be interesting | 20:14 |
| arrrghhh | yea, at&t blows. | 20:15 |
| stickman89 | tbh dell have gone downhill imho, I used to deal with dell alot when I was an IT Technician for Milton Keynes Council. | 20:15 |
| F22 | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204798/Android_upgrades_Carrier_comparison?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1 | 20:15 |
| stickman89 | there helpline is a joke, they just read from scripts. | 20:15 |
| stickman89 | i know i know F22 tmobile suck too haha | 20:16 |
| F22 | dell has gone downhill, no argument there. they gutted their profit margins so much in an effort to keep up with the cheap box companies that they cut service and support to the bone. dell no longer makes quality boxes. they're just another cheap box company. | 20:17 |
| F22 | and the worst part is that they're not really that cheap. not once you add in "options". | 20:17 |
| stickman89 | when I going to get my hero from tmobile they were trying to show me how to use the phone but I stopped him, I basically showed them that I was running the same cupcake sense | 20:18 |
| stickman89 | build on my kaiser and he soon stopped talking ^^. | 20:18 |
| stickman89 | yeah dell have killed alienware since they have taken over them, quite appualed. | 20:19 |
| F22 | the last few times i ordered dell for someone else, i ended up buying a minimal box, and then getting a cpu and memory grade from newegg. | 20:20 |
| F22 | upgrade | 20:20 |
| stickman89 | yup, yesterday's hardware. | 20:20 |
| stickman89 | I just build my own comps now, buying everything of overclockers.co.uk | 20:21 |
| F22 | honestly, if we could get ms windows and ms office for the same price that dell does, there'd be no reason to buy from them at all. if you go linux there isn't any reason to buy from them. their linux support is terrible. | 20:21 |
| stickman89 | should really upgrade to DDR3, just don't have the cash to buy a new mobo, cpu and memory. | 20:22 |
| F22 | i seriously considered doing a brain transplant recently and in the end decided to hold off for another year. | 20:23 |
| stickman89 | indeed they are, their mobo's are pretty solid/stable, last time I checked they were foxconn mobo's | 20:23 |
| F22 | ddr3 isn't faster unless you go way up in terms of clock speed since the timings are a lot worse. | 20:23 |
| F22 | going from ddr2 800 to ddr3 1333 just isn't worth it. | 20:24 |
| stickman89 | i'm running a AMD Phenom Quad Core 9600 AM2, ASUS M3A78 PRO, 4GB Corsair Dominator 1066MHZ RAM, Sapphire HD 5830, Corsair TX750w | 20:25 |
| stickman89 | PSU | 20:26 |
| F22 | Corsair makes some nice stuff. | 20:26 |
| F22 | love their RAM | 20:26 |
| F22 | have heard wonderful things about their psu's. | 20:26 |
| stickman89 | rock solid RAM and no issue with PSU at all, nice clean power. | 20:27 |
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| stickman89 | just whacked it all into a NZXT case, their pretty solid and spacious cases without being overly expensive. | 20:28 |
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| F22 | i decided i had more to gain from doubling my memory than trying to increase its speed. i did buy an upgrade since memory prices have recently come down. | 20:29 |
| stickman89 | memory price has rocketed down, its crazy | 20:30 |
| F22 | ddr2 prices are basically back to where they were 2 years ago before the prices skyrocketed. ddr3 prices are better than ever. | 20:30 |
| stickman89 | ffs mate won't stop snoring, might go an peg his nose. | 20:30 |
| F22 | lol | 20:31 |
| stickman89 | hehe | 20:31 |
| stickman89 | he konked on the sofa when I quite clearly said CO-OP call of duty blackops on the 360. | 20:31 |
| stickman89 | bastard | 20:31 |
| F22 | i figure a year from now ddr3 12GB sets in the higher speeds will be even more reasonable... | 20:31 |
| F22 | lol, he's such a slacker.. | 20:32 |
| stickman89 | yeah, we will probably see an increase of 64-bit applications by then too, tbh its a bout bloody time too. | 20:32 |
| stickman89 | I still keep wanting to go back to XP X64, that OS was solid! | 20:33 |
| stickman89 | true he is a slacker... | 20:33 |
| stickman89 | tbh he did drive 122 miles to come and see me today :) | 20:34 |
| stickman89 | i think im gonna let him off | 20:34 |
| F22 | oh, on the tmobile sucking thing, that's because they carry a lot of low end phones by manufacturers other htc. verizon didn't carry any samsung phones until the fascinate. tmobile had that terrible behold 2, and a lot of really cheap motorolla's. Verizon only had one cheap motorolla that got shafted, the devour. | 20:35 |
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| F22 | moto clearly treats their higher end phones better than their lower end ones. | 20:36 |
| stickman89 | very true | 20:36 |
| F22 | all of htc's phones except the g1 which is positively ancient have made the jump to 2.x at least. | 20:37 |
| stickman89 | just found an image off a computer pretty much with the same setup, check it out I have the same CPU Heatsink/fan and I'm surprised I even got 4GB of RAM in there: | 20:37 |
| stickman89 | http://www.overclock.net/attachments/computer-cases/176044d1286773134-nzxt-m59-dscn1070.jpg | 20:37 |
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| stickman89 | has arrrghhh gone? | 20:38 |
| F22 | the same can not be said for any of the other manufacturers. the behold2 came out after the mytouch3g and the hero and will never get 2.x. Motorola's devour came out 4 months after 2.1 was released and won't either. | 20:38 |
| F22 | and the devour is on verizon | 20:39 |
| arrrghhh | no i'm here | 20:39 |
| stickman89 | mytouch3g really didn't get that much media attention. | 20:39 |
| stickman89 | went quiet on us, what time is it where you are? | 20:39 |
| F22 | mytouch3g just got froyo. belatedly, but it still got it. | 20:40 |
| arrrghhh | 18:40 | 20:40 |
| stickman89 | whatever happened to their expresso builds, those were actually really nice? | 20:40 |
| stickman89 | we should do an expresso build guys :) | 20:40 |
| arrrghhh | what, rosie? | 20:40 |
| arrrghhh | sense? | 20:40 |
| stickman89 | woops its 01:40AM here. | 20:41 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:41 |
| stickman89 | yeah its a rosie/expresso build. | 20:41 |
| arrrghhh | tiad8 rebranded those | 20:42 |
| arrrghhh | slapped 'em up and called 'em sense x | 20:42 |
| stickman89 | http://techtickerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/htc-espresso-ui-1.JPG | 20:42 |
| arrrghhh | but it's 2.1 | 20:42 |
| stickman89 | i asked the question but was ignored in tiad's thread, are his builds MDPI? | 20:42 |
| arrrghhh | doubt it | 20:42 |
| arrrghhh | that's klinux's build from way back when | 20:43 |
| stickman89 | yeah klinux's build is HDPI | 20:43 |
| stickman89 | so he's just based it on that. | 20:43 |
| arrrghhh | not just based on | 20:43 |
| arrrghhh | that what it is :P | 20:43 |
| arrrghhh | he added the graphics stuff | 20:43 |
| arrrghhh | and a new kernel/rootfs | 20:44 |
| stickman89 | lol RIL is fucked on Klinux's build though | 20:44 |
| F22 | tiad just tries out different stuff and packages together the things he likes. | 20:44 |
| arrrghhh | he certainly drums up a lot of interest, but sometimes the things he says are dangerous. and dumb. | 20:44 |
| arrrghhh | like the whole sleep mode 1,2 | 20:44 |
| arrrghhh | he is now says 0,1,2 is the answer | 20:44 |
| stickman89 | yeah I cought that | 20:44 |
| stickman89 | I saw your comments i believe | 20:45 |
| arrrghhh | i told him that it'll get ignored, and showed him from my dmesg what the error looks like | 20:45 |
| arrrghhh | and he said that's fine but it works for me, and continues to tell people to use it. | 20:45 |
| F22 | adreno 200 libs...non-existant command line options that don't work... | 20:45 |
| stickman89 | haha yup saw that too | 20:45 |
| arrrghhh | yea. he's a character that's for sure. | 20:45 |
| arrrghhh | i love his posts in all caps too | 20:45 |
| arrrghhh | or like 1/3 of the post is in caps | 20:45 |
| stickman89 | it's all in his head. | 20:46 |
| arrrghhh | rest is all lower case. | 20:46 |
| arrrghhh | man these long weekends suck. takes forever to get my check from one bank to the other :( | 20:46 |
| F22 | some of the stuff he praises up and down make me wonder too. like his original graphic mods didn't result in any tangible improvements for me. | 20:46 |
| stickman89 | he didn't either edit smali in services.jar to correct taskbar clock colour after deciding to black out the taskbar. | 20:47 |
| stickman89 | even not either | 20:47 |
| F22 | first tangible improvement was when acl fixed libGLES to assign more memory to 3D. | 20:47 |
| arrrghhh | F22, that was the gralloc, but yes. | 20:47 |
| F22 | no, that was the libGLES. | 20:47 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 20:47 |
| F22 | he modified both. | 20:47 |
| arrrghhh | libGLES is a proprietary lib | 20:48 |
| stickman89 | eclair can't use that libGLES | 20:48 |
| F22 | but i saw an improvement with the new libGLES and the orig gralloc. | 20:48 |
| stickman89 | well i got flickering textures and missaligned screen on blackstone. | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | he didn't change the libGLES at all. he only changed the gralloc. that's what allocates memory AFAIK | 20:48 |
| F22 | he hexedited the libGLES. | 20:48 |
| F22 | he changed both. | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | really? | 20:48 |
| F22 | yup | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | what a madman | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | i thought he said he couldn't change it lol | 20:49 |
| stickman89 | he really has too much time | 20:49 |
| F22 | he edited the libGLES first, then edited the gralloc to match. | 20:49 |
| arrrghhh | there was grahpics improvements with the gralloc as well as i understand it | 20:49 |
| arrrghhh | they found a better way to allocate the memory...? not sure. | 20:49 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:49 |
| F22 | what i noticed personally was that the tearing disappeared with the libGLES and that there was a slight speed improvement with the new gralloc. now granted, there may well have been situations where the new libgles with the old gralloc would either crash or tear. with angry birds i didn't encounter them however. what i did notice with the gralloc was a slight speed improvement. | 20:50 |
| stickman89 | still need to follow up blackstone nand, same thing as you arrrghhh, hopes just can't be accomplanished right on the word go sometimes. I've had the kids with me, occupying all | 20:51 |
| stickman89 | my time. | 20:51 |
| stickman89 | when using the gralloc and libgles on klinux's sense build in angry birds texture's shot of the screen and on doodle jump textures were flashing like a strobe light. | 20:53 |
| F22 | arrrghhh, you should see my user.conf.froyo. i have settings for 4 different libGLES's and 2 different grallocs in there, so i could quickly switch between them for testing. | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | i think i've seen them in a post lol | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | a giant list | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | of pooooooooop | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 20:54 |
| F22 | lol | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | we should get that crap committed tho | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | all this stuff | 20:54 |
| stickman89 | hehe | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | there's too much flyin around | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | obviously some of it can't be committed | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | in its present form... | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | F22, can you get the updated libGLES and gralloc stuff to stinebd ? and then eventually get your keymaps committed? :P | 20:55 |
| stickman89 | i noticed that what's going on with the current committed keymaps for blackstone? two power buttons lol and no more multitasking switcher. | 20:56 |
| F22 | hmm...can i get them to him? certainly. i'd need to check with ACL first though. get his ok. | 20:56 |
| stickman89 | I've modified a new rootfs with the correct mapping for blackstone. | 20:56 |
| stickman89 | should probably share that lol | 20:56 |
| F22 | ACL may have been intending to eventually make further edits. | 20:57 |
| stickman89 | then again our forum is dead, I've seen graveyards that look more alive. | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | F22, good point. | 20:57 |
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| F22 | stickman: what was wrong with the old mapping on the blackstone? | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | they committed that change that switched up power and home | 21:00 |
| stickman89 | nothing wrong with the old key mapping, the latest rootfs blackstone mapping is wrong. | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | so OOB you get two power buttons | 21:00 |
| stickman89 | yeah | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | not just blackstone stickman89 ;) | 21:01 |
| F22 | oh doh, and nobody was around to fix it on the blackstone side. | 21:01 |
| F22 | and not enough people complained about it the way they did for rhodium, so stinebd didn't look at it either. | 21:01 |
| stickman89 | I just mounted the rootfs in linux and replaced the key mapping .ql with the correct one's from the older rootfs | 21:01 |
| stickman89 | anyway's i fixed it all up for blackstone, as i said havent shared it yet. I think I will post it now, latest rootfs with the correct mapping for guys. | 21:02 |
| F22 | stickman, open up a bug for blackstone in the rootfs bug list and attach that as the proposed fix. | 21:03 |
| F22 | this way your fix will make its way into future rootfs releases, including the one for gingerbread. | 21:05 |
| stickman89 | will do, as I said loopback mounted the old rootfs and new rootfs from xdandroid and replaced keymapping from the new rootfs, added the modified/correct gralloc, copied libGLES | 21:06 |
| stickman89 | to rootfs and ammended init script to mount libGLES on build detection. | 21:06 |
| F22 | entirely understandable for a rootfs you're posting to the blackstone area of xda. you want all the good stuff you can get in there for blackstone. | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | yea if you open a bug and assign it to stinebd, he'll get it in thar. | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | we should talk to acl about the libGLES and the gralloc | 21:10 |
| F22 | agreed | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | where are you at on your massive kbd layout changes? :P | 21:10 |
| stickman89 | yeah kinda giving up on my blackstone tbh, just no motivation at all, even put my simcard back in my hero. I brought my blackstone midway through my hero contract using the | 21:11 |
| stickman89 | money I recieved from donations from my hero developing and wish I hadn't tbh. | 21:11 |
| F22 | me? nearly done actually. optimally i should put up a test rootfs for people to try out before sending commits to stinebd. | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 21:12 |
| stickman89 | F22 sounds good, get some testers in and see how others like the keylayout. | 21:12 |
| arrrghhh | also, what's this about MassStash making a rootfs that allows only the power button to wake the device? | 21:13 |
| stickman89 | I was actually the person who mapped the htc elf keymap for the android project back then, forget what it was called now. | 21:13 |
| stickman89 | wing-linux i beleive | 21:14 |
| F22 | ah, the wing. t-mo. | 21:15 |
| F22 | some people have referred the tp2 as the wing 2. | 21:15 |
| stickman89 | yup omap850 | 21:15 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: no idea. is this on xda or ppcgeeks? | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | both really | 21:16 |
| stickman89 | lol at the specs, can't believe i still have that device tucked away in my draw beside me. | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | but the thread/rootfs i speak of i think is only on ppcg | 21:16 |
| F22 | i know he was playing around with the keymaps, didn't know he got anywhere with it. | 21:16 |
| F22 | i don't follow ppcgeeks as regularly as i do xda. | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | lemme find it | 21:17 |
| stickman89 | nevergo on ppcgeeks, only went on there once to follow the progress of nand for you guys. | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/139678-anti-buttons-wake-rootfs.html | 21:17 |
| F22 | not sure why i'd want only power to wake the device, i especially don't want that to be the case if i have power set to end calls also. | 21:18 |
| F22 | home as end button? 400 doesn't have a home button. | 21:19 |
| F22 | does he mean end as home button? | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | PROBABLY | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | oops sorry | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:19 |
| stickman89 | wish people would use ADB more tbh, its so much easier to ammend the FS. | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | ammend the FS? in what way? | 21:20 |
| stickman89 | ignore that lol rootfs get's mounted at every startup anyway hahah sorry getting tired. | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | haha fair enough | 21:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea dude probably approaching 3am eh? | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | it's 2:30AM | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | yeah | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | brains dead | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | on the beer too | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | :) | 21:21 |
| arrrghhh | haha, go get some sleep :P | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | yeah does sound comfy | 21:21 |
| stickman89 | damn hero battery life sucks balls | 21:22 |
| stickman89 | lol | 21:22 |
| arrrghhh | F22, well i get the no button wake thing. i'd want that as well, that's how winmo does it | 21:22 |
| arrrghhh | only power wakes phone. | 21:22 |
| F22 | nice thing about adb is that you can read/write files directly. don't need to put them on the sd card first as an intermediary step first when moving them to and from your pc. on linux there is still the option of loop mounting but that's a minor pain. | 21:22 |
| stickman89 | I've been using adb to play around with some launcher's I've been decompiling and ammending. | 21:23 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: if you use power button to end call and the phone falls asleep during the call, and no other button can wake the phone up, you're stuck. | 21:24 |
| F22 | the only way to wake the phone up will also disconnect your call. | 21:24 |
| stickman89 | right, sorry i keep interrupting you guys. I will leave you all too it, and head to bed now. | 21:24 |
| F22 | s'ok stick. | 21:24 |
| stickman89 | goodnight F22, goodnight arrrghhh :) | 21:24 |
| F22 | it's been fun talking to you. | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | well end call should always equal end call | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | stickman89, take it easy man | 21:25 |
| stickman89 | yeah you too :) | 21:25 |
| stickman89 | I'll try, can't promise anything tho lol | 21:25 |
| F22 | sleep well | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha g'nite | 21:25 |
| stickman89 | night | 21:25 |
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| arrrghhh | seriously tho, end call should always equal end call. | 21:26 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: we don't have enough buttons, there is no end call button in native android, and a lot of us would prefer to use the end button for other things. | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | whatever other duty it plays | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | well | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | give me an end call button on the screen then | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | without that hard button,there's no way to end a call. | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | i've always been confused by our in-call screen. that can't be how native android devices are... | 21:27 |
| F22 | pressing menu will allow you to end the call, as will setting power to end the call. | 21:27 |
| F22 | dude, you should have asked stickman before he went to bed. he has a hero. :P | 21:27 |
| F22 | it's my understanding though that they use the menu button and then select end call. | 21:28 |
| F22 | unless they choose to use the power button to do it. but that last option i believe only is present on froyo and newer. | 21:29 |
| F22 | the original android phones had call and end call buttons, ie. the g1/dream and magic/mytouch3g. newer android phones do not. | 21:29 |
| F22 | hero has call and end call too. | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | i swear the incall screen has an end-call button | 21:39 |
| F22 | yes | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/droid-x-call.png | 21:42 |
| arrrghhh | not aosp | 21:42 |
| arrrghhh | but i think the n1 has something similar | 21:42 |
| arrrghhh | my co-worker has one, i can check tomorrow | 21:42 |
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| F22 | modifying the key layout files so that the front buttons don't wake up the phone is pretty easy to do, but it is a change in behavior and some of us are happy with the current behavior. so you'll get complaints. an option to turn them off can probably be added, preferably to the framework so that they can be user-adjusted. i recall stinebd saying he'd be ok with that. | 21:47 |
| F22 | we were discussing making buttons modifiable from within android at the time. | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 21:50 |
| arrrghhh | why would you want the 4-buttons on the bottom to wake the device? | 21:50 |
| arrrghhh | i would say that's unexpected behavior :P | 21:50 |
| F22 | short answer: because buttons are being pressed. | 21:52 |
| arrrghhh | smart ass response: that's not how the phone operates in winmo :P | 21:52 |
| F22 | we're running android, if you want winmo.... :P | 21:53 |
| F22 | more seriously... | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | my point being, i don't want to hit the start call -> start call and call the last person. that is stupid behavior. | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | no, i don't want winmo. i just don't want to lose functionality! | 21:53 |
| F22 | start call -> start call won't call the last person since the wake up press gets dropped. | 21:54 |
| F22 | you'd have to press it three times | 21:55 |
| F22 | and you'd have to disable the lock screen too. | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | yea i guess i can't call someone from the lock screen | 22:02 |
| F22 | why do i like the current behavior? because the phone can very annoyingly fall asleep during calls and i have the power button set to end calls since i have end mapped to home. i like being able to wake the phone up without ending the call. another solution i suppose would be to find a way to set the phone not to fall asleep during calls, but no doubt someone out there will scream if we make that change too, because for whatever reason they | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | lol well you have an odd setup | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | i definitely would not want power to be end call | 22:22 |
| F22 | it's actually rather convenient, much easier to press than any of the front panel buttons while i'm in a phone call. | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | yea but i'll forget and hit it :P | 22:44 |
| F22 | lol | 22:44 |
| F22 | we humans are creatures of habit. pity we can't be more like computers in that one sense at least, it would make kicking bad habits far easier. | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i can get used to whatever when we're full android | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | but so long as i can only run this part of the time | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | i'd like to be as close to winmo (as far as the buttons operate) as possible | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that's sounds stupid, but that's how i feel :P | 22:45 |
| F22 | lol | 22:46 |
| F22 | and for once i'm defending the status quo instead of pushing for a change. :P | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 22:47 |
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| arrrghhh | end call = home/end call works great for me, but that's just what i'm used to. | 22:48 |
| Maxi__ | hello? | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | hi | 22:48 |
| Maxi__ | oh hi thanks for replying to my post | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | man i feel like hugh hefner, but an extremely lame version. | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sorry... i don't remember your post ;) | 22:49 |
| Maxi__ | the ''im new to the htc fuze post'' you told me about the tutorial for working kernels and android and stuff | 22:50 |
| F22 | i like having the recent apps list on the long press of home. can't have that with end as end call and home. | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | k | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | i respond to a crapload of posts, usually don't look at the username. so what's up Maxi__ ? | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | F22, hrm... i thought you could | 22:51 |
| F22 | if you set end call to home in settings you don't get the recent apps list with a long press. if you remap end to home in the layout file, you get recent apps on a long press, but lose end call. | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | that sucks. | 22:55 |
| Maxi__ | learning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIwIhu5B5LE thank God there was a video!!! | 22:56 |
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| F22 | arrrghhh: do you know how to extend your activity timeout on ppcgeeks. one of the reasons why i rarely post on ppcgeeks is because it's always logging me out, and i get annoyed at having to log back in all the time. i don't have that issue on xda. | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have that issue on pccg | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | ppcg* | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | i'm always logged in... | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | i click remember me tho | 23:34 |
| F22 | weird. i always click remember me too. doesn't help. | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | i've never sat on the page i guess | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | every time i go back, i'm just signed in | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | never had to re sign in, assuming i hit remember me.. | 23:42 |
| RogueAgent | f22 | 23:42 |
| RogueAgent | your alive! | 23:42 |
| F22 | xda is like that for me. once i'm in i don't have to worry about it. | 23:42 |
| F22 | what's up RogueAgent? | 23:42 |
| RogueAgent | do you have a newer version of your rootfs or has it not changed enuff to warrant a new upload? | 23:43 |
| F22 | yes and no. it's changed a lot. but the last one i posted is nov. 22nd. i should have a new one up in the next day or two. | 23:43 |
| RogueAgent | ok | 23:43 |
| RogueAgent | Also in your notes, does that mean they fixed the sleep of death with an overclocked phone with sleep mode set to 1? | 23:44 |
| F22 | http://www.mediafire.com/?8kmaduk5usv3pnn <--- change/addition list for the new rootfs that will be out hopefully tomorrow. | 23:44 |
| F22 | RogueAgent: yes. that's not the only thing causing sleep of death however. | 23:46 |
| RogueAgent | So switching to sleep mode 1 is probably not a bright idea? | 23:46 |
| F22 | SoD's are being reported every so often on the newer kernels, although it's more of a once every day or two thing. | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | it's fine assuming the kernel you're using has the PLL2 commit | 23:46 |
| RogueAgent | I'm using f22s so does that count? | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | you mean from GIT? | 23:47 |
| RogueAgent | downloading it from the xda forums | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | if you're using the newest from GIT, then yes. | 23:47 |
| RogueAgent | :P | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | you're fine. | 23:47 |
| F22 | depends on which of my kernel builds you're using. | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 23:47 |
| F22 | but if you're using the one attached to my note or later, you're fine. | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | which is why i said, if you're using the newest git, you're fine. | 23:47 |
| F22 | i think that note was attached to 1240 or 1241. | 23:48 |
| RogueAgent | yep | 23:48 |
| RogueAgent | I'm using the latest | 23:48 |
| RogueAgent | now last question! | 23:48 |
| RogueAgent | Is my phone supposed to reach super hot temperatures when its charging? | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | it's not not supposed to | 23:48 |
| F22 | no | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't run android for long periods of time | 23:49 |
| RogueAgent | I'm trying to figure out if when I goto bed if i have to switch back to winmo | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | i do | 23:49 |
| RogueAgent | cuz android doesn't seem to turn off the charging when batteries full | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | i would not leave it overnight in android. | 23:49 |
| F22 | that's an interesting question. | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | that's built into the battery | 23:49 |
| RogueAgent | but winmo doesn't have that issue | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | android won't overcharge | 23:49 |
| F22 | i used to be able to run android for several days without turning it off. | 23:49 |
| F22 | i would just keep it plugged in over night. | 23:49 |
| RogueAgent | Like I can let winmo charge for days at a time | 23:50 |
| F22 | so the battery wouldn't run dry. | 23:50 |
| RogueAgent | but android my phone gets ridiculously hot | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | so use winmo | 23:50 |
| F22 | lately i've noticed that oftentimes when i wake up it's SoD'd. | 23:50 |
| RogueAgent | Well I just wasn;t sure if i have a stupid setting somehwere or something that vauses it | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | probably phone not sleeping | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | dunno. i use my phone as an alarm clock, so i have to reboot to winmo. | 23:51 |
| RogueAgent | Because of androids time loss? | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | no | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | i can't trust that android won't be in an SoD state | 23:52 |
| F22 | hmm...something is probably keeping it active when it shouldn't be. mine goes cold when it's sleeping. or at least it did. right now it's luke warm, which used to not be the case. not sure what's going on there. | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | or the system-server process running out of control | 23:52 |
| F22 | it's not "ridiculously hot" however. | 23:52 |
| RogueAgent | Well I'm going to change the sleep mode | 23:53 |
| RogueAgent | and see what happens | 23:53 |
| F22 | worth a shot | 23:53 |
| F22 | although given the desc of the orig bug and the solution, it probably won't make a difference. | 23:54 |
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