| F22 | damn it, i decided to reply to one of acl's posts on ppcgeeks and it's telling me to log in again...grrr.... | 00:03 |
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| F22 | screw ppcg, i'm going back to xda, even if acl almost never posts there. :P | 00:04 |
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| arrrghhh | lmao | 00:05 |
| RogueAgent | From what i can tell my phone doesnt sleep while charging | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno why you have probs with ppcg | 00:05 |
| F22 | i dunno either, but it's frustrating. | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | clear your cookies? lol | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | yea, it'd probably piss me off too | 00:05 |
| manekineko | yeah, the phone doesn't sleep when charging I think | 00:05 |
| F22 | do you have gps on? | 00:05 |
| manekineko | I don't | 00:06 |
| F22 | wifi? | 00:06 |
| manekineko | I do | 00:06 |
| manekineko | but it sleeps fine with wifi on battery | 00:06 |
| manekineko | I don't really mind though, I don't think the slight increase in power draw makes that much of a difference on my power bill | 00:06 |
| manekineko | I run Android 24/7, and my phone is plugged in 90% of the time | 00:06 |
| F22 | so it's only an issue when charging? interesting. | 00:06 |
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| manekineko | in general everything is fine with that | 00:06 |
| manekineko | I think it might be a feature rather than a bug | 00:06 |
| manekineko | that it doesn't sleep while it charges | 00:07 |
| RogueAgent | ok | 00:07 |
| RogueAgent | let me rephrase | 00:07 |
| RogueAgent | my phone takes a long time to goto sleep at any time | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | sleep mode is 1 | 00:07 |
| RogueAgent | but charging it only goes to sleep if its asleep when i plug it in | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | and you're on 1253? | 00:07 |
| RogueAgent | yes | 00:07 |
| manekineko | I'm pretty sure that's the same behavior I see | 00:08 |
| RogueAgent | if i touch it once its charging doesn't go back to sleep | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | dunno. other than that, just apps running would cause issues sleeping. | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | other than gps. | 00:08 |
| RogueAgent | I have gps enabled | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | well then it won't sleep | 00:08 |
| F22 | it won't go to sleep with gps enabled, i found that out the hard way. | 00:08 |
| RogueAgent | and the only app is clocksync | 00:08 |
| manekineko | hmm, actually, there's a setting for this | 00:08 |
| manekineko | I purposefully set mine to be like this | 00:08 |
| RogueAgent | but it actually goes to sleep if its not plugged in | 00:09 |
| manekineko | it's under Applications => Development | 00:09 |
| RogueAgent | green led means sleeping right? | 00:09 |
| manekineko | option is called Stay Awake | 00:09 |
| manekineko | yeah, green is sleeping | 00:09 |
| arrrghhh | RogueAgent, the phone won't go to sleep properly if you have gps enabled. | 00:09 |
| arrrghhh | there's a bug open on it | 00:09 |
| XirXes | yay im in linux | 00:10 |
| F22 | i know that during battery testing when my phone is unplugged from the charger, it lasts MUCH MUCH MUCH longer when gps is off. | 00:10 |
| RogueAgent | so I just have to say no searching for satellites? | 00:10 |
| arrrghhh | uncheck the boxes in loc&sec | 00:10 |
| F22 | and given that i wasn't doing anything with the phone, the gps must somehow have been preventing it from staying asleep. | 00:10 |
| RogueAgent | ok done | 00:11 |
| RogueAgent | I set it down, now i wait for sleep mode | 00:11 |
| RogueAgent | does 30 seconds sound about right? | 00:12 |
| arrrghhh | depends | 00:12 |
| F22 | did you press power/sleep? | 00:12 |
| RogueAgent | yes | 00:12 |
| RogueAgent | from me pressing power/sleep it took 30 seconds | 00:12 |
| F22 | shouldn't take 30 secs unless you have some apps running to keep it awake. clocksync could potentially do that. | 00:12 |
| arrrghhh | if there's an app running | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | it'll take longer to collapse | 00:13 |
| manekineko | how long is it taking you guys for it to sleep on a clean build with latest everything? | 00:13 |
| manekineko | mine takes forever to sleep recently as well | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | i've seen 1-3 sec | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | sometimes up to 30 secs | 00:13 |
| F22 | mine takes about 5-7 secs, but i don't have clocksync running. | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | sometimes it won't sleep at all, and i have to kill an app to get it to sleep properly again. | 00:14 |
| RogueAgent | k force stopped clocksync | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | i doubt that app is an issue | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | but it'll definitely wake the phone | 00:14 |
| RogueAgent | yeah 30 seconds | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | any app that's syncing will cause your phone to sleep slowly | 00:15 |
| RogueAgent | What phones are you guys using? | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | rhod400 | 00:15 |
| manekineko | all on latest kernel? | 00:15 |
| manekineko | hmm well speak of the devil, I'm getting 1-3 seconds now that I bad mouthed my phone | 00:15 |
| manekineko | rhod400 | 00:15 |
| F22 | rhod210 | 00:15 |
| RogueAgent | hmmm | 00:15 |
| RogueAgent | I have a rhod500 | 00:15 |
| F22 | i'm running 1253 currently | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | RogueAgent, there's a ton of factors dude. | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't worry about it, so long as it is sleeping. | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | when the phone doesn't go to sleep, that's when it's an issue. | 00:15 |
| RogueAgent | kk | 00:16 |
| F22 | although he did say it's "ridiculously hot" while charging. | 00:16 |
| manekineko | hmm that's odd | 00:16 |
| manekineko | my phone doesn't sleep at all while charging | 00:16 |
| manekineko | doesn't get ridiculously hot | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | my phone gets what i would call ridiculously hot if it doesn't sleep | 00:16 |
| manekineko | really? how hot are we talking about here? | 00:16 |
| F22 | mine doesn't go beyond luke warm while charging. | 00:17 |
| RogueAgent | maybe 10 degrees away from burns | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | i don't really charge in Android much tho | 00:17 |
| manekineko | wow that's pretty hot | 00:17 |
| RogueAgent | Like my phone gets almost hot enough for it to be painful to grab | 00:17 |
| manekineko | mine doesn't go beyond luke warm I think, and I'm always charging in Android | 00:17 |
| manekineko | that sounds serious | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | RogueAgent, ha i've gotten to that when wifi tethering. | 00:17 |
| manekineko | arrrghhh now that I've seen | 00:17 |
| manekineko | RogueAgent, you got a spare battery you could try? | 00:18 |
| RogueAgent | only time ive gotten that besides android is when i have it in my car charging and streaming music | 00:18 |
| RogueAgent | mane if it was the battery id have the same issue in winmo | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | not necessairly | 00:18 |
| RogueAgent | Also no | 00:18 |
| manekineko | well if you've got a spare, can't hurt to test it | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | android handles the battery very differently. | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | meh, just don't charge in android lol | 00:19 |
| arrrghhh | i don't much at all really. | 00:19 |
| manekineko | heh c'mon arrrghhh take the plunge, run Android as your primary | 00:19 |
| manekineko | it's a wild ride | 00:19 |
| RogueAgent | im waiting for march | 00:19 |
| arrrghhh | lol and not wake up for work? no thanks. | 00:19 |
| RogueAgent | Come on march! | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | march? | 00:20 |
| RogueAgent | Droid Bionic from verizon | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 00:20 |
| RogueAgent | Nvidia tegra 2 dual core droid phone | 00:20 |
| F22 | i can't wait until wistilt2's power management code gets committed, then i won't have to keep my phone plugged in so much. | 00:20 |
| manekineko | well, no sleep of death and not waking up for work if you disable sleeping while charging | 00:20 |
| manekineko | has wistilt2 made more improvements to power management? | 00:20 |
| F22 | they're in his jan 2nd test kernel | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, that man is always making improvements to power management | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | i threw up the test kernel | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | completely collapses panel power | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | bzo got 45+ hrs with his fix | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | which i don't think is committed at all yet, for some odd reason. | 00:21 |
| manekineko | whoa | 00:21 |
| manekineko | how is that possible | 00:21 |
| manekineko | with wireless? | 00:21 |
| manekineko | I didn't get even close to that in WinMo | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | proper power management? | 00:21 |
| F22 | 45 hours asleep that is | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | radio on, sync off | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | basically 100% sleep | 00:21 |
| manekineko | I got a day max, even not touching it, in WinMo | 00:21 |
| manekineko | which forum is the test kernel in? | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | xda | 00:22 |
| manekineko | I wish there was a forum for XDAndroid as opposed to a forum for each device | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | i posted it in ppcg as well i believe | 00:22 |
| manekineko | there's more similarities than differences to discuss when it comes to XDAndroid | 00:22 |
| F22 | were it not for the fact that most people seem to confuse the kernel with userspace i'd agree with you. | 00:23 |
| manekineko | man, still can't find it, which device forum arrrghhh? | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | tp2? | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | it's a rhod-only test kernel | 00:24 |
| F22 | yep | 00:24 |
| F22 | arrrghhh is the op. | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | do i have to find it for you? :P | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | indeed i am | 00:24 |
| manekineko | ahhh found it | 00:25 |
| manekineko | dunno how I missed this | 00:26 |
| F22 | the only advantage 1253 has over wistilt2's is the headset. | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | me neither :P | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | yea wistilt2 just needs to sort out that damned auo panel | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | and he can commit | 00:26 |
| F22 | wistilt2's on the other hand has better power management and improved audibility on the speakerphone mic. | 00:26 |
| manekineko | and the touching to wake issue I guess | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:27 |
| manekineko | say, about that 100% CPU system server thing we talked about earlier | 00:27 |
| arrrghhh | which he said the other day on irc he thinks he has sorted out | 00:27 |
| manekineko | has the Google Maps trick ever fixed it for you guys? | 00:27 |
| arrrghhh | calling vm always does | 00:28 |
| manekineko | yeah, that always fixes it for me too | 00:30 |
| manekineko | Google Maps has never worked | 00:30 |
| manekineko | I wonder if the people who say it works are all on GSM | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol so what's wrong with calling vm? | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | probably | 00:30 |
| manekineko | related to the fact that netloc works there | 00:30 |
| F22 | that may well be true manekineko | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | seems to center around netloc regardless. | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | need to get dzo a tp2 | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't even know he was still working on android... i thought he was done with the phone hacking scene. | 00:31 |
| manekineko | would he be interested if we got him one? | 00:31 |
| manekineko | seems pretty easy to raise money for that stuff on PPCGeeks | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | considering he got gingerbread on the kaiser | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | i think so | 00:31 |
| RogueAgent | my google mas works me/ | 00:32 |
| F22 | not done, just reduced his profile. he is a college professor. now that he's finished his paper he no doubt has other projects to get published so he can get tenure... | 00:32 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't know he was a prof... cool | 00:32 |
| manekineko | RogueAgent: Google Maps works to fix the system lag issue? | 00:32 |
| F22 | you should take a look at his powerpoint presentation some time. | 00:33 |
| arrrghhh | what ppt? | 00:33 |
| RogueAgent | Nm | 00:34 |
| RogueAgent | I just saw google maps never works | 00:34 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: er, it's a pdf, now that i've taken another look at it. now where did i dig it up from? hmmm? | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:38 |
| arrrghhh | what was in it? | 00:38 |
| F22 | http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/android_talk.pdf | 00:40 |
| F22 | basically it's a talk about his experience porting android to vogue and kaiser | 00:40 |
| XirXes | I just want to point out that ive never used a call to fix the system server issue | 00:42 |
| XirXes | i always use google maps | 00:42 |
| XirXes | works every time | 00:42 |
| arrrghhh | stupid gsm | 00:42 |
| F22 | lol | 00:43 |
| XirXes | well we dont get a headphone jack. you can feel smug about that if you like :) | 00:43 |
| F22 | but ours works at least with the hardware that it came with. they need to steal or buy one of those extusb converter cables... ;) | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | that's about the only thing | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | i have a extusb | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | from mah raph :P | 00:44 |
| F22 | lol | 00:44 |
| XirXes | i have several. my tp2 is my 4th device with it | 00:44 |
| F22 | never wanted a ptt button before, but with camera nearing completion i find myself suddenly envious of the tilt2's... | 00:45 |
| arrrghhh | christ manekineko | 00:45 |
| arrrghhh | bugs bugs bugs | 00:45 |
| manekineko | haha | 00:45 |
| manekineko | well I figured it was unseemingly that my bug list is more complete than the official one | 00:46 |
| manekineko | on ppg | 00:46 |
| F22 | lol | 00:46 |
| F22 | official one is the one that arrrghhh manages. ;) | 00:46 |
| manekineko | haha nice, get an email on each one I add? | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:46 |
| F22 | i will be properly envious of the 3.5mm jack on the CDMA handsets only after it's working. :P | 00:48 |
| manekineko | a lot of what I would consider kernel bugs are in the Android section | 00:48 |
| manekineko | F22: that will be a glorious day | 00:48 |
| XirXes | my g2 will have a headphone jack | 00:48 |
| manekineko | it was extremely sad to see that the 3.5mm jack had to be put on hold for now | 00:49 |
| manekineko | g2 is a nice device | 00:49 |
| F22 | i've been debating getting a g2. i can probably talk retentions into giving me one for free, but would probably dry up a lot of my motivation for working on this stuff, and if i hold i'll likely be able to get something better in a few months time, although odds are it won't have a kbd or be stock android... :( | 00:50 |
| XirXes | wont get here till the 27th, but after that i can tinker as much as I want with my tp2 since it wont be my main phone | 00:50 |
| manekineko | why'd you guys pick the G2 over the Nexus S? | 00:51 |
| F22 | on the plus side, i won't have as much of an issue playing with nand after that. | 00:51 |
| F22 | Nexus S doesn't support HSPA+, nor does it have a removable sd card. | 00:51 |
| XirXes | exactly | 00:51 |
| F22 | no physical kbd either. | 00:51 |
| F22 | so 3 strikes for the nexus s in my book. aside from that it's great. :P | 00:52 |
| manekineko | heh | 00:52 |
| XirXes | if i were you f22 id go check on my.t-mobile to see if you can get it for free. my mom got the same deal as me and i was the only one with a contract reup | 00:52 |
| arrrghhh | ah well, bedtime guys. | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | ttyl | 00:54 |
| XirXes | youll still have to pay like 75 up front but theres a $50 mail in | 00:54 |
| XirXes | night arrrghhh | 00:54 |
| F22 | g'nite arrrghhh | 00:54 |
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| XirXes | so your pretty much just paying for shipping | 00:54 |
| F22 | retentions is always the best way to go, but it's always good to do some research first. ;) | 00:54 |
| F22 | retentions was giving away g2's to people who asked before some idiot posted about it. they then cancelled the offer because too many idiots with 6 month old phones were demanding the free g2 upgrade. | 00:56 |
| XirXes | stupid posting idiot | 00:56 |
| F22 | yep | 00:58 |
| XirXes | that slideshow that got linked earlier, who wrote it? | 00:59 |
| F22 | dzo | 00:59 |
| F22 | dzo=martin johnson | 00:59 |
| XirXes | ahh. thats what I thought | 01:00 |
| XirXes | damnit. linux isnt detecting my sata drive | 01:02 |
| F22 | i'd love to have caught his talk if he were to give it in the US. | 01:02 |
| XirXes | agreed | 01:03 |
| F22 | and i'd probably have asked him several hundred questions right afterward. :P | 01:03 |
| XirXes | that was a good read, but the talk would have been alot better | 01:03 |
| F22 | hmm...can't seem to remember my my tmo pswd. got locked out. | 01:13 |
| XirXes | damn | 01:13 |
| F22 | btw, i think carly is adorable. they just need to let her eat a little more. | 01:14 |
| F22 | whoever made the rule that models need to be stick thin should be shot. | 01:15 |
| XirXes | the mytouch 4g girl? | 01:15 |
| F22 | yup | 01:15 |
| XirXes | agreed | 01:15 |
| F22 | i certainly wouldn't mind having her for a mytouch... :P | 01:16 |
| XirXes | lol | 01:16 |
| F22 | it's about time tmo finally put up some decent ads. | 01:18 |
| F22 | at&t otoh is getting dog-piled. first verizon, now tmo...all we need now is sprint joining the at&t bashing. :P | 01:19 |
| F22 | not like at&t doesn't deserve it. | 01:21 |
| F22 | their android phones suck and they disable side-loading on all their phones... | 01:22 |
| F22 | and not a single one of their android phones has received an os update. | 01:23 |
| F22 | the atrix will be the first interesting android phone they get. | 01:24 |
| F22 | but that's still 2 months off i think. | 01:24 |
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| stickman89_ | hi guys | 09:07 |
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| fishhead2567 | excuse me all, but is the latest Version 2.2.1 FRX03 image included in the prepackaged distros available at xdandroid.com? | 17:14 |
| stinebd | fishhead2567: http://files.xdandroid.com/XDANDROID.2.2.1.AOSP.FRX03.21.11.10.FULL_PACKAGE.zip | 17:15 |
| fishhead2567 | Okiedoke. I think that is what I have. And also, I've been investigating the topic of power management, but I cant seem to find what forum to search for XDA-developers . is there an app that I could download in the meantime that anyone reccomends for accurate (or semiaccurate) battery life predictions | 17:16 |
| stinebd | the battery driver is too sporadic for any application to be able to accurately estimate remaining runtime | 17:17 |
| fishhead2567 | ahh okay. So the best way to help (if I can get my head around the codebase) would be trying to write a better driver? | 17:18 |
| stinebd | well, the best way to help would be trying to understand and improve the current driver. but that's no small feat. | 17:19 |
| stinebd | it has claimed the sanity of many former developers | 17:20 |
| fishhead2567 | I can only imagine =/ I've done some basic OS related programming. I doubt anything as complicated as linking Android and WiMo | 17:20 |
| fishhead2567 | yikes | 17:20 |
| stinebd | i read it once and woke up in an alley with a bloody nose 3 days later | 17:20 |
| fishhead2567 | sadly. It is the largest current obstacle to making xdAndroid usuable by most everyday folks =/ (imho). Power management as well but less so than battery life. | 17:21 |
| fishhead2567 | oh snap =P. Is it poorly coded or just that complicated? | 17:21 |
| stinebd | very complicated | 17:21 |
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| stinebd | anyway, the power management stuff (which is indeed what leads to bad battery life) isn't a matter of improving code, just finding out what devices we leave turned on (or those that have improper power management) and fixing them | 17:22 |
| stinebd | some work has been done on the rhodium by WisTilt2 | 17:22 |
| fishhead2567 | really? I have the rhodium, its hard to find builds tho. does he publish his builds? | 17:23 |
| stinebd | there have been some test kernels, but i don't know if they're public. he generally tries to keep a small test group (of folks on irc) because of the potentially volatile nature of the work. | 17:24 |
| stinebd | don't want to spread around a kernel that might brick something | 17:25 |
| fishhead2567 | Ahh true. I can imagine batteries will go KABOOM if improperly used | 17:25 |
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| F22 | fishhead2567: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=885550 | 18:11 |
| F22 | bah, missed him. :P | 18:12 |
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| Maxi_ | hello | 18:34 |
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| Fudge | hi guys | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | ...hello? | 19:17 |
| Fudge | im running android on my htc tp2 and am legally blind. is there a release yet that has better battery management and uses the mic in apps liek ventriiloid yet? | 19:20 |
| Fudge | ive been reading around btu havnt found the right rom yet i don tthink, bit confused on which ones are the best for the tp2 yet | 19:20 |
| arrrghhh | battery maangement is being worked on | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | as is everything else | 19:21 |
| Fudge | can u just update from the phone or do you need to put the zips on the card and start a fresh | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | this project is still in the 'testing' phase | 19:21 |
| Fudge | nice nick btw arrrghhh loL | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | so a lot cannot be considered 'stable'. | 19:21 |
| Fudge | still better than wm loL | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha i bet that sounds great on your screen reader problem hehehe | 19:21 |
| Fudge | with espeak yeah but f it was my normal voice it would prog make the right sound, but its crashing at the moment | 19:22 |
| Fudge | so every 5 mins i have to kill HUP the speech dispatcher with voxin inuse | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | i helped out another guy that was completely blind | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | he was using talkback | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | have you seen/used that one? | 19:22 |
| Fudge | yeah and eyes free | 19:23 |
| Fudge | its pretty good really | 19:23 |
| arrrghhh | ok. | 19:23 |
| Fudge | but i rather the UK voice as its actually clearer | 19:23 |
| Fudge | not as slurred | 19:23 |
| arrrghhh | not every app is going to work, even on native android devices. | 19:23 |
| Fudge | i think im using rodium | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | so the more up to date you are, the better (typically) | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | tp2 is rhodium, yes. | 19:24 |
| Fudge | how do u do updates, jsut in market place download updates | 19:24 |
| Fudge | whats this nuerom? | 19:24 |
| Fudge | just a thread im reating about o/c it gets a mention | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | never heard of nuerom. | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | probably a winmo rom | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | updates, as in app updates or updates to kernel, system image, etc? (XDAndroid updates basically?) | 19:25 |
| Fudge | yes xd updates | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | well those you have to do piecemeal | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | so the kernel (zImage/modules-xxxx.tar.gz) is one update | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | then rootfs.img | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | and finally system.ext2 | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | the most frequent changes are on the kernel. | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | you basically just download the update, and extract it. rename the zImage file to just that - zImage. leave the modules file, and remove the old zImage/modules files. drop in the new ones, you're updated. | 19:28 |
| Fudge | which one do you ahve to unzip and which is done by androi itself? | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | well the kernel updates usually come as .tar.gz files | 19:29 |
| arrrghhh | break that open, and you should get two files - zimage-xxxx and modules-xxxx. rename the zImage file, and leave the modules file be. | 19:29 |
| Fudge | xdandroid.com? | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | unfortunately the autobuild service for the kernel is down, so you'll have to go to a thread on xda-devs to get kernel updates until the autobuild is back. | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | which, i thought would've been back by now honestly. need to bug glemsom about that ;) | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=869992 | 19:32 |
| arrrghhh | that's the thread with the most up to date kernel. | 19:32 |
| Fudge | reading now mate | 19:34 |
| Fudge | so this will maintain my settings? such as accessibility being turned on talk back | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | anything you customize goes in the data.img | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | installed apps | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | how you have your homescreen arranged | 19:35 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 19:35 |
| Fudge | very easy :D | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | however, sometimes the data.img gets messed up, and for troubleshooting purposes we might ask you to delete (rename, move) that file. which basically puts you back to square one. | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | just an fyi. i use titantium backup, and while it does backup the apps and their data, it's a perfect restoration of everything on the device. | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | sorry, it's NOT a perfect restoration of everything on the device. lol just re-reading that. | 19:39 |
| F22 | best kernel for power management/speakerphone mic on rhodium is probably wistilt2's Jan. 2nd test kernel. | 19:42 |
| arrrghhh | assuming you don't have a rhod100 | 19:43 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 19:43 |
| F22 | didn't he disable autobl for 100 in his test kernel? | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | i think so | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | but there's no power management benefits over GIT for the 100's is my point. | 19:44 |
| F22 | ahh, yes. but i think 1253 is still giving 100's panel issues. | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | really? poor saps. | 19:45 |
| F22 | i'd have to double-check my previous convo with snalasbad. it's been a few days, but i sort of recall that he was still having problems unfortunately. | 19:46 |
| Fudge | at the moment i feel very noobish, the jesture to unlock the phone seems to have chagned, i used to just draw across the device and now i had to follow four dots? so after a few failed attempts the phoen was rebooting itself | 19:46 |
| F22 | four dots? it should still be drawing horizontally across the screen. | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | erm | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | you can change the lock screen Fudge | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | to i think it's 9 dots | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | and you can have a 'custom' lockscreen this way | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | so you can make a little maze to unlock the phone basically. | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | which will be nicely highlighted by finger grease lol. | 19:48 |
| Fudge | loL i just want to swipe it and it to work, or if i slide out the k/b | 19:49 |
| Fudge | shouldnt the sd card mount when you plug the phone into a usb cable? | 19:49 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, not in android. | 19:51 |
| F22 | unfortunately not. android is being run from the sd card, not from the ROM. so it's unavailable for remote mounting since it must remain mounted by the phone. | 19:51 |
| Fudge | oh | 19:51 |
| arrrghhh | yea. someone said that the hd2 had a dual-mount system before they went NAND, but i don't get how that would work. | 19:51 |
| Fudge | can android actually be installed completely to the phone memory yet? | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | same principal is when you plug the phone into winmo and mount the SD on your computer - the SD disappears from WinMo. | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | no | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | not completely | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | there's a partial NAND boot thread, but it's far from stable. | 19:52 |
| Fudge | ok when u boot is windows on the left, top etc so i can choose it | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | even less stable than haret builds :P | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, not sure what you mean. | 19:53 |
| Fudge | when u can choose windows mobile or android | 19:53 |
| Fudge | ill just take a stab in the dark loL | 19:53 |
| Fudge | ssh woudl be cool | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | adb | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | it's a lot like ssh | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | oh you have gen.y it soundls ike | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | sounds like* | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | we don't support that application ;) | 19:55 |
| Fudge | ah yes i think i do | 19:56 |
| Fudge | what do you do instead? | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | run haret.exe from total commander | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | or file explorer, what-have-you | 19:56 |
| F22 | ssh is present in xdandroid btw. | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | F22, what is it, dropbear? | 19:57 |
| F22 | yup | 19:57 |
| Fudge | i rename to zImage? with a capital I? | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | leave the modules file as modules-xxxxx-.tar.gz | 19:57 |
| Fudge | okey :) | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | linux has a case sensitive file system | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | so Desktop and desktop are two different folders in linux ;) | 19:58 |
| Fudge | in my sd root i have andboot and android | 19:58 |
| Fudge | what woudl android be? | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | andboot | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | android is created by the android system | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure it's used for something lol i can't remember what ATM | 19:59 |
| Fudge | has data/ and apps info | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | sounds right | 19:59 |
| Fudge | and sorry for dumb questions but i also have rootfs in rootdir too | 20:00 |
| Fudge | is that somethign i may have just double dup on or is that normal | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | you probably doubled up on it | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | you don't need two | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | do you run android from /andboot? | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | or from the root of the SD? | 20:00 |
| Fudge | yes | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | lol which one | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | from andboot i assume | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | in which case, you can delete the one at the root of your SD | 20:01 |
| Fudge | i read about a battery entry you can put in startup.txt but dont ahve it anymore | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | what that smem.fake? | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | or whatever? not really needed anymore. | 20:01 |
| arrrghhh | battery consumption is MUCH better than it used to be. | 20:01 |
| stinebd | liar | 20:01 |
| F22 | lol | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | me? i'd never tell a lie. | 20:02 |
| stinebd | another lie! | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:02 |
| stinebd | nothing but lies! | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | ALL LIES | 20:02 |
| stinebd | you are not a crook! | 20:02 |
| Fudge | ahaha | 20:02 |
| Fudge | you guys are really helpful thanx heaps | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, anytime. | 20:02 |
| F22 | no doubt stinebd will now set the record straight. ;) | 20:02 |
| Fudge | added here to my autojoin irssi | 20:03 |
| stinebd | fudge with the biggest lie of all | 20:03 |
| Fudge | :p | 20:03 |
| Fudge | is there a hack to remove keylock froma config file instead of having to set it? | 20:03 |
| stinebd | oh right. i was going to take a look at php to find out why it went rogue and killed the server the other day | 20:03 |
| stinebd | too lazy, i'll wait for it to happen again. | 20:03 |
| F22 | lol | 20:03 |
| Fudge | i dont know why im having trouble with it really, my friend set it for me she said swipe acrosst then up like a right angle but it just aint comin to the party loL | 20:03 |
| Fudge | :$ | 20:04 |
| stinebd | what's this? | 20:04 |
| stinebd | the pattern unlock? | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, hahaha, oops. you can disable the unlock screen entirely. | 20:04 |
| Fudge | yes | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, i'm assuming so. | 20:04 |
| stinebd | i've never even tried that | 20:04 |
| Fudge | from a conf file? or t | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, unfortunately you'll have to do it in the phone... | 20:04 |
| Fudge | startup.txt menat to type | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | it's a userland setting. | 20:04 |
| stinebd | or adb in and edit the sqlite db | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | not much userland stuff can be specified in the startup.txt | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, lol that sounds easy. | 20:05 |
| Fudge | oh me and sql dont get along | 20:05 |
| stinebd | it would take me a few minutes to figure out | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, do you have adb installed/working? | 20:05 |
| Fudge | i can simply wait for that one, so i dumped the files and reanmed the zImage, left the modules tar archive in tact so can no wreboot? | 20:05 |
| Fudge | adb not sure mate | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | you probably don't then :P | 20:06 |
| Fudge | i havnt installed it anyway | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | you can just click haret.exe | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | no need to reboot | 20:06 |
| Fudge | im not using the wm interface though | 20:06 |
| Fudge | only have access to eh sd | 20:06 |
| Fudge | the sd | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | well i guess you can reboot then. | 20:06 |
| Fudge | no speech in wm and it sux anyway | 20:06 |
| F22 | if haret is on the sd you can start it from there. | 20:06 |
| stinebd | i need to convince phh to start working on android for the nintendo 3ds in march | 20:07 |
| Fudge | oh ok | 20:07 |
| phh | wowat ? | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | that got his attention | 20:07 |
| F22 | lol, he lives! | 20:07 |
| phh | stinebd: 3DS' cpu will most likely totally suck | 20:07 |
| stinebd | or just linux | 20:07 |
| Fudge | error occurred while loading archive, linux doesnt like exe files without wine | 20:07 |
| phh | I'd bet on less than 64MB ram -_-' | 20:07 |
| stinebd | phh: no way | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, you'd open haret.exe on your phone, thru winmo. | 20:07 |
| phh | stinebd: haha. | 20:07 |
| phh | it's nintendo. | 20:07 |
| Fudge | yep i would but cant see it, its ok i rebooted | 20:07 |
| stinebd | you expect it to run a game and simultaneously be able to access the menu, browser, etc on less than 64MB ram? | 20:08 |
| Fudge | from what i was reading about o/c the battery consumption woul be massive at 700mhz | 20:08 |
| phh | stinebd: ah, it's supposed to do that simultanesouly ? | 20:08 |
| stinebd | phh: yeah, looks really nice. | 20:08 |
| phh | stinebd: anyway, you know DSi ? :p | 20:09 |
| stinebd | which is why linux would be better on it :) | 20:09 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, yea the tradeoff probably isn't worth it. but drain isn't too bad with a newer kernel and sleep_mode=1 | 20:09 |
| stinebd | phh: i do nds dev, not dsi | 20:09 |
| Fudge | this thing was like doing 5 hours tops | 20:09 |
| phh | stinebd: NDS 4MB | 20:09 |
| Fudge | on mostly standby, wouldnt go over night in standby before | 20:09 |
| phh | DSi 12MB iirc | 20:09 |
| stinebd | 4MB should be enough for anybody | 20:09 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, with moderate to havy usage that's about right. | 20:09 |
| phh | stinebd: \o/ | 20:09 |
| stinebd | dsi has 16mb actually | 20:10 |
| phh | hum not everything is accessible | 20:10 |
| phh | i remember it was some odd value | 20:10 |
| phh | not sure why | 20:10 |
| stinebd | they couldn't access dsi mode | 20:10 |
| Fudge | modules-2.6.27.46-01202-g6c41ca6.tar.gz | 20:10 |
| stinebd | that's been solved recently | 20:10 |
| Fudge | that wasusing though | 20:10 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, what? | 20:10 |
| Fudge | thats the kernel ive ust upgraded from | 20:11 |
| stinebd | they also didn't have access to full cpu speed back then. it was like the dark ages... | 20:11 |
| arrrghhh | oh... ok | 20:11 |
| phh | stinebd: wait, full access is available easily now ? | 20:11 |
| stinebd | well not "easily". you need a new flash card for it | 20:11 |
| stinebd | or in theory an update for supercard dstwo | 20:12 |
| phh | I was only aware of the DSi cooking hack | 20:12 |
| Fudge | dsi? | 20:12 |
| stinebd | cyclops has a flash card that enables full dsi hardware access (minus sd slot which shuts down when you load a slot1) | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, they're talkin nintendo | 20:12 |
| Fudge | ah yes | 20:12 |
| Fudge | whoooops ofc | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:12 |
| phh | stinebd: they got wifi ? | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | yea, it's random. don't worry. | 20:13 |
| stinebd | phh: that i don't know about | 20:13 |
| phh | stinebd: if it seems technically possible to port android to 3DS, i'll perhaps try | 20:14 |
| stinebd | hah | 20:14 |
| stinebd | well there is that one little issue of homebrew enabling too | 20:14 |
| phh | true. | 20:14 |
| stinebd | nintendo is getting kinda good at security :( | 20:14 |
| Fudge | lol | 20:15 |
| Fudge | how enbaressing i cant unlock my phone lmao | 20:15 |
| Fudge | ill let u guys know and thank you so much | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, you could start with a new data.img, but you'd lose all your settings. | 20:17 |
| Fudge | yeah thats fine I can wait loL | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, so did you buy a winmo phone knowing it was going to be nearly impossible for you to use? :P that really does suck. i hate winmo, but you must really despise it. | 20:26 |
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| Fudge | nah i was using mobilespppeak | 21:17 |
| Fudge | which sux | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | oh so there is a solution | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | it just is horrible :P | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | it's funny, android runs so much better than winmo on these phones.... and we're not nearly at a state where i would call it 'stable'. | 21:19 |
| Fudge | yeah a solution but massive learning curve, uses some shitty skin tha tlays over wm | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | F22, you there? | 22:27 |
| F22 | hmm? | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | just havin an issue, wondering if you could lend a hand... | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | trying to build the RIL | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | and i'm failing at cloneing the tree | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | cloning? | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | yea. | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | i posted mah problem in #htc-linux :P | 22:29 |
| F22 | i'm little more than a beginner myself with repo. | 22:31 |
| F22 | let me try something...it may or may not work. | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea i really doubt i'm going to get this to work. | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not even sure where the RIL goes... is that in the system image? | 22:33 |
| F22 | it's a library, kind of like the camera library, but it interfaces with the radio instead. i'm a little fuzzy on the whole thing myself. | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | well it looks like there might be a fix for the lack of cdma netloc | 22:44 |
| F22 | well that's certainly good news for you cdma folks. | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | with a little luck maybe we can unearth the system_server issue | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | if not, hey at least we finally get netloc :P | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | i've really been missing that when going over to android. | 22:50 |
| surrender | can winmo phones run android completely natively yet or is haret still the only way | 22:59 |
| F22 | hmmm...i don't think it's set up with repo. instructions say to use git clone. but that doesn't seem to work either. it sounds like it's broken. ie. warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. | 22:59 |
| F22 | surrender: depends on the winmo phone | 23:01 |
| surrender | ive looked around alot and all the diam500 tuts are older. and looking through the posts i dont see too many things new | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | no NAND for DIAM yet | 23:02 |
| F22 | nope, diamond isn't one of them. | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | neopeek was working on that back in august... didn't really hear much since he announced he was working on it. | 23:02 |
| surrender | ahh, nand issue. im gonna go learn, TY | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | need to modify tinboot | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | or make your own bootloader :P | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | which is what the hd2 guys did. more specifically, dft. | 23:03 |
| surrender | lol. sounds difficult | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | nothing that's worth attaining is easy :P | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | plus, it'd be done already if it was easy lol | 23:05 |
| surrender | yeah | 23:05 |
| surrender | i think the last time i did any nand flashing was with my psp | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | never flashed a rom on your DIAM? | 23:06 |
| surrender | oh yeah. | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:06 |
| surrender | XD. wasnt aware thatw as to the nand | 23:06 |
| surrender | im a good tut folloower :) | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | NAND is kinda a misnomer | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | but in this world, it means the internal memory | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | well in the case of the DIAM, the actual internal memory :P | 23:07 |
| surrender | ah, gotcha | 23:07 |
| surrender | yeah | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | i know there's that 4gb internal storage... but that's literally an sd card soldered to the board. | 23:07 |
| surrender | yeah | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | so don't treat it any different than an sd. you just can't remove it :P | 23:07 |
| surrender | im running the mightyrom with wm6.5 | 23:08 |
| surrender | i did it like a year ago, and without service since then i've been diving into sip+google voice config in android | 23:08 |
| surrender | i litereally found the phone in a box and said" i bet i can still use this" and grabbed it out | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:09 |
| surrender | so it the issue basically not having the proper instructions in android to boot correctly from the "internal storage"? | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | do what | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | nothing about instructions | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | don't have the code | 23:11 |
| surrender | ah | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | tinboot was made for the vogue | 23:12 |
| arrrghhh | needs to be ported | 23:12 |
| surrender | googling tinboot :P | 23:12 |
| surrender | oh nice | 23:12 |
| arrrghhh | dzo's baby | 23:12 |
| surrender | android's so slow running from my "sd" :( | 23:13 |
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| F22 | highlandsun's issue appears to be unrelated to screen calibration. :P | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | did you get a log finally? | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | surrender, putting it on NAND won't make a damned bit of difference in speed. | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | maybe slightly. | 23:17 |
| F22 | the screen calibration messages were just the last thing that got printed before it died. it didn't actually die during calibration however, or the things immediately afterward. | 23:18 |
| F22 | he's still digging. | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | and android actually moves pretty slick with a lot of the new improvements | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | my rhod has basically the same hardware, and it has to push more pixels. | 23:18 |
| F22 | basically he's determined that the issue isn't do to something that the init script does. so it's likely something in init.rc | 23:19 |
| surrender | must not have come across the improvement section =) | 23:20 |
| F22 | do=due | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | damn that init.rc | 23:24 |
| surrender | can most people running xdandroid play games from the market? | 23:25 |
| F22 | depends on the game. some games don't run well on our outdated hardware. | 23:26 |
| surrender | that makes sense | 23:26 |
| F22 | qualcomm's older chip have crappy gpu's. | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | these tegra2 devices make me want to punch my tp2 in the face | 23:27 |
| surrender | lol | 23:28 |
| Fudge | whtas netloc | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | network location? | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | cell-tower triangulation | 23:30 |
| surrender | doesnt look like there's been much progress since sometime last year on tinboot | 23:31 |
| surrender | like, mid year | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't need to | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | once you get a good bootloader, don't really need to changge it | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | change* | 23:31 |
| Fudge | aah yeah thats cool | 23:31 |
| Fudge | i like those apps where u can speak, call this person or text that person. seems really accurate | 23:32 |
| Fudge | cant member the name now | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | google voice actions? | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | it does work really well. i definitely love playin around with it. not exactly perfect, but if you enunciate it works really well. | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | noisy environments obviously suck. | 23:33 |
| surrender | well you said it needed to be ported to diamond? | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | yes, it's built for the vogue | 23:35 |
| arrrghhh | it's been partially ported for rhodium | 23:35 |
| surrender | i was saying it doesnt look like anyone's done much work on porting it since mid last year | 23:35 |
| xdandroid | Donation received! Thanks, Jeffrey P., who says: My second donation...thanks so much you guys! I am really pleased with Android on my Sprint Rhod400 | 23:35 |
| Fudge | yeah think it was that | 23:36 |
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| surrender | is there any way to significantly decrease the battery consumption while running android? seems worst when using any kind of multimedia | 23:37 |
| surrender | -on the diamond | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | surrender, well yea | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | any multimedia | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | use of the radio | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | wifi | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | gps | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 23:38 |
| surrender | lol | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | will drain the battery lol | 23:38 |
| surrender | it's VERY drastic\ | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 23:39 |
| surrender | do you know what the situation is with the power management? | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | battery meter isn't optimized for peripherals | 23:40 |
| surrender | ah | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | it's not done | 23:40 |
| surrender | in work though? | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | the main guy working on that bricked his phone | 23:40 |
| surrender | aww | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:40 |
| surrender | not sure how many people work on the htc phones anymore, but i'd be willing to test anything for diam500 if you know someone | 23:42 |
| Fudge | bricked? | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, can't use it anymore. dead. | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | a paperweight | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | surrender, plenty of people work on htc phones, just not the DIAM :P | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | hell the guy that's been pushing hard on the camera stuff has a DIAM500 | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | maybe it's a DIAM100 | 23:44 |
| surrender | heh. | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | either way, it's a DIAM :p | 23:44 |
| surrender | camera would be nice | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | it's functional | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | for DIAM | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | not committed or 'stable', but it's functional :P | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | i deposited a check with my bank using it! | 23:45 |
| surrender | lmao nice | 23:45 |
| surrender | well i must go investigate THAT | 23:45 |
| Fudge | what are these spitfires or what ever theyre called like | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, do what? | 23:46 |
| Fudge | the new htc phone, something fire its called | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | wildfire | 23:47 |
| Fudge | yes | 23:49 |
| Fudge | that's it | 23:49 |
| surrender | oh, i remember what my biggest concern was. i dont know how to mount my storage over usb | 23:49 |
| surrender | is that a know issue or am i missing something | 23:50 |
| surrender | known* | 23:50 |
| Fudge | I believe arrrghhh said that as android runs from the sd it can not share the mount | 23:50 |
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| surrender | then mount nand? | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | er what? | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | no | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge is right | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | you can use adb to access the sd | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | that's about it | 23:51 |
| surrender | ftp a common workaround then? as far as transferring files | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | reboot to winmo | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | dropbox ap | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | app* | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | ssh | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | whatever | 23:52 |
| surrender | nothing in android? | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | ssh | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | adb | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | dropbox app | 23:53 |
| surrender | ooh. i see | 23:53 |
| surrender | you were listing options XD | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | haha sorry | 23:53 |
| surrender | np | 23:54 |
| Fudge | ooh dropbox that would be leet | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | adb is lovely, once you get used to it | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | Fudge, lol. adb is moar leet. you can look at top and such :P | 23:55 |
| surrender | i think i was looking into options and actually already installed that | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | adb? or dropbox | 23:58 |
| surrender | adb | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | it's kinda an advanced tool | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | if you use windows, droid explorer makes looking at the phone's file structure easy. | 23:59 |
| surrender | yeah | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | almost as good as usb mass storage. | 23:59 |
| surrender | maybe thats what i got. i just looked for an ap with ftp | 23:59 |
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