| stinebd | dont ask me, i barely know where i am right now | 00:01 |
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| arrrghhh | lol | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | well i responded. i guess i should've done that instead of just angrily closing it as invalid. his whole comment on the external speakerphone switch made me declare it all invalid. | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | it almost sounds like wistilt2's new code is going rogue and is going into voice search mode when it shouldn't be... | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know when else the mic mute led blinks... | 00:04 |
| stinebd | skynet spy | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | oh it does when speakerphone is on calls huh | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if it does on music apps too... never even looked. | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should figure out wtf tikl is | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:04 |
| RogueAgent[TP2] | hey arrrghhh | 00:04 |
| RogueAgent[TP2] | is there bug for the rhod500 not waking up? | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | all phones suffer from that lovely issue | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | AFAIK | 00:05 |
| stinebd | my n1 doesn't | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | and i believe there is already a bug. | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd is trolling his own room. | 00:05 |
| RogueAgent[TP2] | ok dokey | 00:05 |
| RogueAgent[TP2] | It jus tstarted today so I wasnt sure | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | pm.sleep setting supposedly help | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | *s | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol just started today | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | how long have you been using android? | 00:06 |
| RogueAgent[TP2] | 2 weeks now | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | oh. | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | well then. | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | it's been an issue for a whil.e | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | er. yea. | 00:06 |
| stinebd | dont be so dramatic | 00:06 |
| stinebd | it's only been an issue since cupcake | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | only | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | wasn't in donut? | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | or are you just blowing stinesmoke | 00:07 |
| stinebd | donut came after cupcake | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | oh. | 00:07 |
| stinebd | i think | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | well then, you are trolling your own room. | 00:07 |
| stinebd | a b c d | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | so tikl is stupid, not installing that. | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | and i can't find an 'android music player' | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just going to close the bug again lol | 00:14 |
| stinebd | wtf still no spam on the wiki | 00:14 |
| stinebd | this is bull | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | don't sound so disappointed | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea i was going thru htc-linux wiki | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | and the xdandroid wiki | 00:16 |
| stinebd | ours is better? | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | and what did you want me to do with them? lol | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | something about linking all htc-linux wiki to xdandroid's? i dunno | 00:16 |
| stinebd | go through ours and link devices mentioned in ours to articles in theirs | 00:16 |
| stinebd | like on supported devices, make all those links go to the htc-linux device pages | 00:17 |
| stinebd | and also update the table :P | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | table? | 00:17 |
| stinebd | supported devices has a table that is neither correct nor up-to-date | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | of supported devices? | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | i just laugh every time i see it | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | where will i get my jollies now? | 00:18 |
| stinebd | i whipped it up in about 17 minutes while heavily medicated | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | and will be updated by team members to reflect reality. | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | bah | 00:20 |
| stinebd | don't bother with the table | 00:21 |
| stinebd | what we need is to find some people with each device and find out the truth | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | BT works on the raph? | 00:21 |
| stinebd | sorta | 00:21 |
| arrrghhh | well it 'sorta' works on the rhod lol | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | it pairs but never passes audio | 00:22 |
| stinebd | you can connect and transfer files, but it's slow as remedial students and doesn't work for audio | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | yea sounds about the same | 00:22 |
| F22 | a lot of stuff in xdandroid falls in the "sorta" category. :P | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should try to xfer a file, never done that lol | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | calls? eh, sorta. | 00:22 |
| F22 | makes it hard to fill out a yes/no table... | 00:22 |
| stinebd | the issue is we don't load a firmware on TI | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | do we break out all phones stine? | 00:23 |
| stinebd | (i assume) | 00:23 |
| stinebd | break out? | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | should we put 'official' names by 'em too? | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | seems kinda fuzzy | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | at&t tilt2 | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | cdma touch pro 2 | 00:23 |
| stinebd | yes | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | RHOD300, RHOD400 | 00:23 |
| stinebd | they differ in features supported etc | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:23 |
| stinebd | just group all the same devices together | 00:23 |
| stinebd | all the raphs on consecutive lines, diams, rhods, etc | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | ja | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | man i should do this at work tomorrow. that way i'll be getting paid to arrange the table. | 00:25 |
| stinebd | 15 requests currently being processed, 60 idle workers | 00:25 |
| stinebd | i don't understand how that server is constantly processing so many requests | 00:25 |
| * arrrghhh finds out stinebd is really his boss | 00:25 | |
| arrrghhh | what server? | 00:26 |
| stinebd | the one that runs all the xdandroid crap | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | the southcape one? | 00:26 |
| stinebd | yes | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | people hammer it for fun | 00:26 |
| stinebd | the thing is a horse though | 00:26 |
| stinebd | one day i'll get it upgraded to maverick | 00:26 |
| stinebd | or maybe just wait for the next lts | 00:27 |
| arrrghhh | yea i'm not sure what i want to do with my server | 00:28 |
| F22 | what's it running now? lucid? | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | it's working well, so i'm thinking i'll just wait for the next LTS | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | i would imagine so | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | although hardy is still supported for like 3 more years on the server | 00:28 |
| stinebd | yeah lucid | 00:30 |
| stinebd | i was gonna use gentoo but i sobered up before it got deployed | 00:30 |
| F22 | lol | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahahaha | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | it's not 'gentoo' anymore... is it? | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | sabayon or some such? | 00:31 |
| stinebd | that's a fork | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | oh. | 00:31 |
| stinebd | see my host cloak in /whois :P | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | a fork of pain | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | yea i've seen gentoo is in it | 00:31 |
| stinebd | this project has forced me into gentoo retirement | 00:32 |
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| arrrghhh | no more constant compililng of packages lol | 00:32 |
| F22 | any regrets? | 00:32 |
| stinebd | lots | 00:32 |
| stinebd | i'm much more useful here though | 00:33 |
| F22 | so many worthy projects, only so many hours in the day.. | 00:34 |
| F22 | well we've all benefited by having you here. :D | 00:35 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea, speaking of maintainor of all | 00:36 |
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| arrrghhh | what's up with the new rootfs? raph and diam users don't seem too happy about what it does to the backlight :P | 00:36 |
| stinebd | dont ask me, it has emwe's name on it | 00:37 |
| stinebd | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9256299&postcount=3485 | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 00:38 |
| arrrghhh | must not have read the newest in that section :P | 00:38 |
| stinebd | that's the only thread i ever read | 00:38 |
| stinebd | and i barely ever read it. | 00:38 |
| stinebd | vbulletin needs a daily thread digest feature or something | 00:39 |
| stinebd | via email | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | lookie thar | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | your the last post in the thread even. | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | i check a few forums to try and help the noobs determine if it's user error or not basically lol | 00:40 |
| stinebd | i attribute that to my celebrity status. everyone is too nervous to respond in my great presence. | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | you are pretty epic in the world of xdandroid | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | just make sure your head doesn't get so big that you can't make it outside of your house. shit, am i too late? | 00:41 |
| stinebd | double wide doors, sir. | 00:41 |
| * F22 laughs | 00:42 | |
| arrrghhh | ohhhhh now it makes sense why we have those at work! | 00:42 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 00:42 |
| stinebd | i must read that code and then sleep | 00:45 |
| stinebd | that's how things get fixed | 00:45 |
| stinebd | and it's how i got it working in the first place | 00:45 |
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| arrrghhh | good to know | 01:00 |
| arrrghhh | sleepy time for me as well | 01:00 |
| F22 | g'nite | 01:01 |
| arrrghhh | nighty night | 01:01 |
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| Kraln | hunh. my rhodium 400 won't get signal now | 02:18 |
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| Fudge | anyone experienced noise through speaker whilst on a call, such as when you are to close to a speaker | 02:32 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | hello all | 08:20 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | oh thank you arrrghhh | 08:24 |
| arrrghhh | ...you're welcome? | 08:31 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes | 08:32 |
| arrrghhh | not sure what i did. | 08:32 |
| arrrghhh | oh i do have a kernel for you to try | 08:33 |
| arrrghhh | i'll attach it to the bug when i get to work... right now, i am late for said work :P | 08:33 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | thanx for elevate . yes | 08:34 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | thanx ... no problem | 08:34 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | I'm in no hurry | 08:35 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | when you can, I'm in no hurry ... thank you | 08:36 |
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| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Source Tree bug 61 filed... | 08:43 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61 enhancement, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Patch to add keys into Android's keyboard symbol palette | 08:43 |
| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Source Tree bug 62 filed... | 09:09 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=62 enhancement, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Patch to change the power button's default behavior during a call to hangup instead of sleep. | 09:09 |
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| arrrghhh | ftvm_DIAM100: i have a kernel for you to try | 09:35 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | okok ... thanx | 09:36 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | i was tried !!! ;) | 09:36 |
| arrrghhh | sorry if you had issues try it again. | 09:37 |
| arrrghhh | i mv'd a directory instead of a file... still waking up i think. | 09:37 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes | 09:37 |
| arrrghhh | hit it again :D | 09:37 |
| arrrghhh | don't kill that battery process | 09:38 |
| arrrghhh | i want to see if this kernel improves your issues with stuttering sound. | 09:38 |
| arrrghhh | basically the dmesg spam from the batt code is mostly - or completely - disabled. | 09:38 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok arghhhhhhhhh ... i was tested this | 09:45 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | again thank you !!! | 09:45 |
| arrrghhh | sure | 09:51 |
| arrrghhh | let me know how it works out | 09:51 |
| F22 | top of the morning to you arrrghhh | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. how are you sir F22 ? | 09:52 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | Yes, I'll let you know, do not worry | 09:53 |
| F22 | not bad, working on packing up my work into neat little submits. | 09:53 |
| F22 | i've submitted two already this morning via the bugtracker | 09:53 |
| arrrghhh | awesome | 09:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'm trying to figure out where QoS flags are set in a packet. blargh. | 09:55 |
| F22 | fun...isn't that like documented? | 09:56 |
| arrrghhh | probably. | 09:56 |
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| F22 | well figure out what kind of packet you want, then look up its specs. | 09:56 |
| arrrghhh | well i'm having an issue with a phone that keeps getting the tcp port reset | 09:57 |
| F22 | ahh, tcp. | 09:57 |
| arrrghhh | and cisco is saying that we're dropping packets, but i don't have any drops in my voice signalling queue. | 09:57 |
| arrrghhh | so we have to be marking packets wrong or not at all, but i need to find out where. i have a feeling it's on the provider side... | 09:57 |
| F22 | you'll have no problems getting the specs on tcp. i recall reading those specs quite awhile back, but given that i haven't really used any of it, it's all leaked out of my brain since. :P | 09:58 |
| arrrghhh | haha no worries. | 09:59 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just not so good at the low-level stuff. | 09:59 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. seems wireshark may not be the right tool to look at this capture. | 10:01 |
| F22 | i find the results of my poll illuminating. | 10:04 |
| F22 | it matches the conclusions that i came to while reading the old threads on the subject. | 10:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:05 |
| arrrghhh | no body likes the new layout? | 10:05 |
| F22 | yup | 10:05 |
| F22 | but there is no real consensus about how to fix it. | 10:05 |
| F22 | the majority agrees with me, but there is a very vocal minority that strongly disagrees and wants to take things in the exact opposite direction. | 10:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:06 |
| arrrghhh | then there's people like me, who don't really care and just want people to stfu and deal with it until the port is complete, then we can worry about silly things like button layout. | 10:07 |
| arrrghhh | man did you see that thread that got started on smartphone penetration testing? | 10:07 |
| F22 | *shruggles* this keymap project of mine all started because i wanted a > key so I could redirect the output of a dmesg. :P | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | lmao i remember. | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | i'm all for keymap improvements. | 10:09 |
| arrrghhh | but this whole button layout thing... there's no one right answer, because not every wants the same thing. | 10:09 |
| arrrghhh | i would err on the side of caution and keep it how winmo is... but that created the backlash. | 10:09 |
| arrrghhh | in reality it'd be nice to be close as possible to an actual android phone | 10:09 |
| arrrghhh | but then the buttons on the phone would have no relation to what they actually do in android. | 10:10 |
| F22 | the problem we have is that there are more functions then there are buttons. we need to combine some of them or we won't be able to quicly access them all. just wait until the camera is working...luckily for tilt2 users, they have a ptt button just waiting for the camera to work. the rest of us don't have that luxury... | 10:10 |
| arrrghhh | and your poll is very loaded, never noticed that lol | 10:11 |
| arrrghhh | "we have two buttons that are both Power and End, none that are Home or open the recent app list." - no wonder only 1 person picked it hahaha | 10:11 |
| F22 | lol, i wish i could have gone back and edited before anyone had voted. | 10:11 |
| arrrghhh | but in winmo we don't have a dedicated camera button... | 10:11 |
| F22 | i'd have added more options and changed the wording. | 10:11 |
| arrrghhh | sucks you can't edit the poll. | 10:11 |
| F22 | lol, people hate winmo, but the first they want to do when they install android is make it behave like winmo... | 10:12 |
| F22 | i just don't get that. :P | 10:12 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | but you have to see it from the point of view of someone picking up the phone and never using it before. if someone picks up my phone in android, they'll have no clue what buttons do what. i guess that's the price we pay... | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | i mean most native android phones don't have begin/end call keys | 10:14 |
| F22 | only the very earliest ones do. | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | so in reality we should scrap those and make them do something else like search & home | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | but then it's confusing lol. | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | i think default, button layout should try to match what the buttons say they are. | 10:15 |
| arrrghhh | if we can have a startup.txt option like you're talking about to change the behavior | 10:15 |
| arrrghhh | that would be ideal. then everyone is happy. noobs aren't confused and constantly reposting on how their buttons don't do what they say they do | 10:15 |
| arrrghhh | and power users who know what they want can get it :D | 10:15 |
| F22 | yup, although an argument can be made to keep call. but i think end call is a waste of a valuable real estate however. the only reason to keep it is because long-time winmo users are used to it. | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see any reason to keep call | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | there's soft buttons everywhere for it | 10:16 |
| F22 | heheheheh | 10:16 |
| F22 | true | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | end call, that's an interesting one... because the default in-call screen has nothing on it realy. | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | *really. that always seemed like a waste of screen real estate to me, but i guess it keeps the phone from being face-dialed. | 10:17 |
| F22 | well the call button makes calling a one button affair instead of a two button affair. not a huge deal. not sure i feel a search button is more useful than a call button since i keep a search widget on my home screen. so really it's a matter of which i prefer to get to with a single button press instead of two, call or search. | 10:19 |
| F22 | i'd be more inclined to trade call for camera...but that's just me personally. | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:21 |
| arrrghhh | see i don't ever use the camera | 10:21 |
| arrrghhh | i think i've taken one pic with my tp2 since i got it | 10:21 |
| arrrghhh | and probably like 10 the entire 2 years i owned my tp1. | 10:21 |
| F22 | i have a feeling that our potential startup command line button mappings will grow in time... | 10:22 |
| F22 | ;) | 10:22 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see how call is a 2-button affair... the soft button is right on the main screen lol | 10:22 |
| arrrghhh | dude i think it's a brilliant option | 10:22 |
| arrrghhh | and the MORE flexible it is, the better. y'know? | 10:22 |
| F22 | yupyup :) | 10:22 |
| F22 | i will try to get that submitted later today also. | 10:22 |
| arrrghhh | awesome. | 10:23 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if stine'll have time to commit, but assuming they're clean patches he should be able to :D | 10:23 |
| F22 | on the call button, but you're not always on the main screen. | 10:23 |
| F22 | say you're in your browser or another app, and you decide you want to make a phone call... | 10:23 |
| F22 | with the call button you go directly there. | 10:24 |
| arrrghhh | bah that never happens. | 10:24 |
| F22 | lol | 10:24 |
| arrrghhh | sorry lol i see what you're saying ;) | 10:24 |
| F22 | otherwise you need to go home first, then make your call. | 10:24 |
| F22 | and if they don't have a home button.... :P | 10:25 |
| arrrghhh | how do native android phones do it? | 10:25 |
| arrrghhh | well we haven't gotten rid of call yet, c'mon now :P | 10:25 |
| F22 | if we can't get home made a default key, we likely won't be able to get rid of call. the winmo users won't stand for that change. :P | 10:26 |
| F22 | android phones? i don't have a native android phone, but i'd guess that they go home, then hit the call soft button. | 10:28 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. | 10:28 |
| F22 | that's what i meant by 2 keys earlier. | 10:28 |
| arrrghhh | i know... | 10:28 |
| arrrghhh | but that's what i'm saying that if we wanted our phones to be 'android phones' | 10:29 |
| arrrghhh | we're going to have to map keys to things that the keys were never meant for :P | 10:29 |
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| gandalf | hi all | 10:30 |
| F22 | yup, not a problem really as far as the OS is concerned. we can map any key to pretty much any key code we want. the limitations are what you can make specific keycodes do. | 10:30 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 10:31 |
| arrrghhh | not sure what you mean by that last line, but okie :D | 10:31 |
| gandalf | i've installed xdandroid for the first time yesterday. how can i install flash? | 10:31 |
| arrrghhh | you can't | 10:31 |
| arrrghhh | well | 10:31 |
| arrrghhh | unless you're on an hd2 | 10:31 |
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| gandalf | i have diamond. why not? not enough memory? | 10:32 |
| arrrghhh | mainly the proc | 10:32 |
| arrrghhh | ew really won't work on the diam i don't hink | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | think* | 10:33 |
| gandalf | too slow? when i try to install from an .apk package installation fails | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | i saw a thread in the RHOD section that said you could install flash. | 10:33 |
| F22 | take the software option to define end as home...long press doesn't open the recent apps list because the OS still maps that scan code to the key code for END instead of the key code for HOME. So even though the short press behavior can be changed, the long press behavior remains shutdown/airplane/mute. | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | but i never tried. | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | how did you get the shutdown behavior to change on the end key then? | 10:34 |
| F22 | i directly mapped its scan code to the key code for home instead. | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 10:34 |
| F22 | the os doesn't care what's printed on the key. | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | well obviously lol | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | it's the humans using the phone that care. | 10:35 |
| F22 | yup | 10:35 |
| gandalf | thx for all | 10:39 |
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| F22 | long press behavior is tied to the keycode. the way the code is written, you must long press the button assigned the HOME key code to get the recent app list. to have it do otherwise would require rewriting bits of the framework. The power and end call key codes on the other hand share some of the same code, and thus their long press behavior. | 10:44 |
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| F22 | making that more flexible would take some work and be a pain to maintain whenever google put out a new release. | 10:46 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 10:48 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 10:48 |
| arrrghhh | let's just forget about android. winmo isn't that bad is it? | 10:48 |
| F22 | lol | 10:48 |
| F22 | i feel bad for the hd2 users who were hoping to get wp7. | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 10:49 |
| F22 | miscrosoft decided it had too many buttons to get wp7... | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | their android port is basically complete. | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | too many buttons? | 10:49 |
| F22 | that is the lamest excuse i've ever heard not to release an OS update... | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | oh were they going to get WP7 OEM...? i didn't know that. | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you were talking about that madness from coutella, i had no idea OEM was planning on upgrading them from winmo to winpho lol | 10:50 |
| F22 | Microsoft wouldn't let HTC release an upgrade for the HD2 because it didn't meet Microsoft's requirements. | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 10:50 |
| F22 | the only way in which it didn't meet the requirements was in the fact that it had an extra button. :( | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 10:51 |
| arrrghhh | it's too complicated to figure out. | 10:51 |
| F22 | yep, there's been a lot of development on the hd2 of late, plus they have a newer cpu, that shares much of its guts with other native android phones... | 10:52 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 10:52 |
| arrrghhh | stupid snapdragon | 10:52 |
| F22 | so as a consolation prize they get android. :P | 10:52 |
| * arrrghhh tries to crap a snapdragon into his rhod | 10:52 | |
| F22 | i wish... | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | crap, cram same diff. | 10:53 |
| F22 | lol | 10:53 |
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| arrrghhh | how goes it emwe | 10:53 |
| F22 | it's a winmo phone, so... crap may be apropos... :P | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:53 |
| emwe | heyho | 10:53 |
| emwe | just got home from work. | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | i saw a guy at work with an hd2... it was still running winmo. i wonder if i should tell him... | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | haha i'm just gettin warmed up at work :P | 10:53 |
| F22 | hmm...now do i want to rm all the navi_pad.kl's my patch will make redundant in the repo, or should i just leave them be? hmm... | 10:56 |
| arrrghhh | blow 'em out | 10:57 |
| arrrghhh | i say... | 10:57 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd would probably be the decider there. | 10:57 |
| emwe | you guys are rhoders, right? | 10:58 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 10:59 |
| F22 | emwe: yup topper. | 10:59 |
| arrrghhh | you non-keyboard ownin topaz bastage :P | 10:59 |
| emwe | yah, i think it would have been nicer with keyboard. but as i said earlier i didn't like the rhod for it's look. | 11:00 |
| emwe | ;) | 11:00 |
| arrrghhh | really? | 11:00 |
| emwe | to rounded imho | 11:00 |
| arrrghhh | i think it looks pretty similar to the topa lol | 11:00 |
| emwe | nah, topa is way more edgy | 11:01 |
| arrrghhh | oh right | 11:01 |
| F22 | i like the rounded look personally, is the droid look more your cup of tea? | 11:01 |
| emwe | droid eris? | 11:01 |
| F22 | lol | 11:01 |
| arrrghhh | droid X | 11:01 |
| arrrghhh | droid 2 | 11:01 |
| F22 | no, droid 2 | 11:01 |
| F22 | or orig droid, they're edgier. | 11:01 |
| arrrghhh | big square chunk of a phone. | 11:01 |
| emwe | milestone is too edgy haha | 11:02 |
| F22 | droid eris is just a slight more rounded, rebadged hero. | 11:02 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha that's the droid 1 | 11:02 |
| F22 | yup | 11:02 |
| emwe | perhaps it's also a disklike of anything except htc. no idea. | 11:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol most people who like htc seem to dislike everything else :P | 11:02 |
| emwe | i like the desire z somehow | 11:03 |
| arrrghhh | i have mixed feelings about it. kbd being 4 row sucks, and the hinge is questionable. | 11:03 |
| F22 | i have to wonder if google is upset at htc or something of late. google has been working very closely with motorola, samsung, and lg of late, with htc kind of out in the cold. | 11:03 |
| arrrghhh | htc used to be cream of the crop tho | 11:03 |
| F22 | yup | 11:04 |
| arrrghhh | i do wonder what happened. | 11:04 |
| F22 | something happened, not sure what though. | 11:04 |
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| F22 | i get the feeling that google is sending htc a message. | 11:05 |
| emwe | perhaps htc demanded a bit more in any way due it's raising popularity and market share. | 11:05 |
| emwe | perhaps demanded to much support in the apple suit. who knows. | 11:06 |
| arrrghhh | yea law suits definitely sour business relationships | 11:06 |
| F22 | or maybe microsoft demanded a lot for its support in the lawsuit, and perhaps to prevent a microsoft suit, and google didn't like the terms that htc agreed to with microsoft. | 11:07 |
| emwe | the only thing for sure is that the customer will pay the price. | 11:08 |
| arrrghhh | as we always do. | 11:08 |
| emwe | offtopic: which pm.sleep_mode are you guys running/setting in your cmdline? | 11:08 |
| emwe | (if at all) | 11:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol probably more on-topic than what we were talking about. | 11:08 |
| arrrghhh | i have mine set to 2. | 11:08 |
| F22 | mine is 2 also. the recommendation seems to be to use 2 if you overclock, 1 otherwise. | 11:09 |
| arrrghhh | i heard it mitigates the whole sleep of death thing - which i still experience, but it is rare. i haven't played with the setting much tho. | 11:09 |
| arrrghhh | what does it actually _do_? | 11:09 |
| arrrghhh | we should have an explanation of all this crap on the wiki | 11:09 |
| emwe | 1 only works w/o OC here and with 0 it loses calls after having slept. | 11:09 |
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| emwe | arrrghhh: it tells how "deep" the app processor is to sleep | 11:10 |
| F22 | yup | 11:10 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 11:10 |
| emwe | i am investigating this pain in the ass since weeks. | 11:10 |
| arrrghhh | 2 is... none? lol | 11:10 |
| emwe | 2 is letting the app processor sleep but power collapse. | 11:11 |
| emwe | i can't really explain that technically correct, though ;) | 11:11 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 11:11 |
| arrrghhh | lol fair enough. | 11:11 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: at the very end: http://sites.google.com/site/androidport/faq | 11:12 |
| stinebd | [11:09:45] <arrrghhh> we should have an explanation of all this crap on the wiki < we can't explain what we don't know | 11:12 |
| arrrghhh | we don't know what the pm.sleep does? | 11:13 |
| stinebd | we know what most of it does | 11:13 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. damn i never noticed that in the faq... *facepalm* | 11:13 |
| emwe | hi stinebd | 11:13 |
| stinebd | but for instance we don't know the difference between 0 and 1 | 11:13 |
| emwe | stinebd: the difference is that no official htc kernel defconfigs use it! :) | 11:13 |
| emwe | they set 1 for sleep_mode | 11:14 |
| stinebd | right | 11:14 |
| F22 | heheheh | 11:14 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 11:14 |
| stinebd | which means our kernels are better | 11:14 |
| emwe | lol? | 11:14 |
| emwe | tehy use 0 for idle_sleep_mode | 11:14 |
| stinebd | right | 11:14 |
| emwe | dunno when that has an effect though | 11:14 |
| stinebd | never | 11:14 |
| stinebd | idle sleep mode = with screen on and phone is doing nothing | 11:15 |
| stinebd | or screen off but something has a wake lock | 11:15 |
| stinebd | so in both cases the phone will always be doing something | 11:15 |
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| stinebd | (jiffies loop) | 11:16 |
| emwe | all i see is that on my topa the power collapse immedeately returns the pm routine exits. | 11:17 |
| stinebd | eh, topa is as insane as cdma | 11:17 |
| emwe | i've been trying/debugging a shitload of stuff, nothing found yet, really. | 11:17 |
| arrrghhh | how do you debug all this sleep stuff? just get a dmesg after you go thru the sleep cycle...? | 11:17 |
| emwe | except that our code is a mixture of everthing. | 11:17 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: yap | 11:17 |
| arrrghhh | hm | 11:17 |
| emwe | unplug usb, wait, reconnect | 11:18 |
| arrrghhh | & hope | 11:18 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 11:18 |
| emwe | nah, that works pretty good | 11:18 |
| emwe | ;) | 11:18 |
| stinebd | you've always got ramconsole if it's screwed up to the point of infinite sleep | 11:18 |
| emwe | perhaps i should debug my gfs tattoo a bit | 11:18 |
| emwe | it never infinitely sleeps here | 11:18 |
| emwe | i always get it back | 11:19 |
| emwe | i see it trying to power collapse and i am unsure if msm_pm_collapse() is to return immedeately or not. | 11:19 |
| emwe | but i am surprised the sleep_mode=1 allows for receiving calls on sleep ;) | 11:21 |
| stinebd | if so then change the defconfig to 1 | 11:22 |
| emwe | and just for the record, when sleep_mode=1 and OC it freezes in acpuclk_set_div() after some iterations on waking up | 11:23 |
| emwe | stinebd: then all OCers will start to cry which haven't set sleep_mode>=2 ;) | 11:23 |
| stinebd | isn't defconfig set to 0 right now? | 11:23 |
| emwe | stinebd: i rather have it fixed. and until that freaking power collapse isn't persistent but returns immedeately, i want to have that investigate/fixed first | 11:24 |
| emwe | it's 0 for both, yes. | 11:24 |
| stinebd | then they cry anyway, don't they? | 11:24 |
| emwe | heh | 11:24 |
| emwe | i wan't that freaking raph now for cross-checking. | 11:24 |
| stinebd | the point is, we don't know what 0 does. and if it's breaking incoming calls on a normal setup where 1 doesn't, then we shouldn't use it | 11:25 |
| emwe | it seems all is fine with raph/diam | 11:25 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 11:25 |
| emwe | good argument stinebd. i am pretty undecided. | 11:26 |
| arrrghhh | oh so stinebd sounds like we may have a donor RHOD in the pipeline. should camro get it...? | 11:26 |
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| stinebd | xdandroid: seen camro | 11:26 |
| emwe | first i'd like to cross check if any of the 0 or 1 modes on older devices work or just "pretend" that the processor really sleeps. | 11:26 |
| xdandroid | stinebd: camro was last seen in #xdandroid 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <camro> or do it via "su" | 11:26 |
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| stinebd | if camro wants it, he can have it. otherwise, i'll take it and try to get some stuff working with it. | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | okie | 11:27 |
| stinebd | which rhod? | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | i think he's depressed lol | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | 400 i believe. | 11:27 |
| stinebd | gsm? | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | either that or 500, one of the cdma bastard children. | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | all rhods have GSM radios | 11:27 |
| arrrghhh | it's a cdma phone tho | 11:28 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln is the donor - were you on sprint or verizon? | 11:28 |
| stinebd | att | 11:28 |
| Kraln | <- sprint | 11:28 |
| stinebd | oh | 11:28 |
| arrrghhh | it'll work on att, you just have to do the sprint unlocker | 11:28 |
| arrrghhh | er | 11:28 |
| arrrghhh | SIM | 11:28 |
| stinebd | how much does that cost | 11:28 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln: cool. did you run the SIM unlocker already? | 11:28 |
| Kraln | nothing, it's free | 11:28 |
| Kraln | arrrghhh: it's downloaded, I have no reason to use it | 11:29 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 11:29 |
| stinebd | i probably wouldn't put a sim in it anyway :P | 11:29 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd'll want it but it's easy. it's like hspl basically. | 11:29 |
| arrrghhh | well then why are you asking if it's gsm :P | 11:29 |
| stinebd | i'm racist | 11:29 |
| arrrghhh | phonist? | 11:29 |
| arrrghhh | cellist. | 11:29 |
| Kraln | gsm is just butchered cdma anyway | 11:30 |
| arrrghhh | wait, i've got it - elitist. | 11:30 |
| stinebd | zomgwat | 11:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol what do you mean Kraln | 11:30 |
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| Kraln | the gsm consortium stole the working draft of cdma and messed with it a bit | 11:31 |
| Kraln | ;) | 11:31 |
| kwoodyusa | here | 11:31 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:31 |
| arrrghhh | kwoodyusa: so are you talking about a bug? | 11:31 |
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| akirax | Ą | 11:31 |
| arrrghhh | please don't do whatever the heck you're doing in here akirax | 11:32 |
| kwoodyusa | i am not sure at this point i just know that it was not a problem untill all the USB changes came out. I am not a developer.. not even close | 11:32 |
| arrrghhh | what are you talking about | 11:36 |
| arrrghhh | did you post a bug on the tracker? | 11:36 |
| arrrghhh | sorry dude i post in so many different places, i'm not remembering what your problem is :P | 11:37 |
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| F22 | stinebd: i have a commit i want to make to rootfs that adds in a startup option for mapping button 4 to home, and consolidates the 9 rhodium navi_pad.kl's down to two. should i do a git rm on the old ones now that they aren't used, or should i leave them be? i'm kind of new to git, so i'm still getting a handle on the best of handling things. | 11:38 |
| kwoodyusa | no prob. no i did not post anywhere. just asking a question. if this was something that others have seen. sorry, I think i may have over stepped here and should have posted question in XDA | 11:39 |
| arrrghhh | well what's your question? | 11:40 |
| stinebd | F22: you answered your own question. if they're unused, remove them. | 11:40 |
| stinebd | rootfs isn't a storage container :P | 11:40 |
| arrrghhh | you don't need to post in XDA, i just thought you did based on what you said... | 11:40 |
| F22 | stinebd: lol, yes i have. i'm just naturally cautious. | 11:40 |
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| kwoodyusa | o i was saying the "taking your advice" comment from your post on xda about logging in to IRC. anyways. Question: I notice that USB charging from PC is not working well. Seems to drain battery more than charging it | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | lol really | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't personally noticed that... but i guess i've never really noticed. | 11:42 |
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| arrrghhh | so many XirXes... so little time. | 11:43 |
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| XirXes | I really hate this irc clent | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:44 |
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| XirXes | i was using chatzilla but it broke with the latest firefox beta update | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | yea i use xchat usually | 11:45 |
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| arrrghhh | but stupid work seems to prevent it from working. freenode's webchat works, so i use it. | 11:45 |
| AstainHellbring | mirc here | 11:45 |
| ocm | same | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | bug 2 | 11:45 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2 normal, Normal, ---, stinebd, RESOLVED FIXED, Talk.apk missing | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | er | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | bug 42 | 11:45 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=42 normal, Normal, ---, developers, REOPENED, BLAZN, Haret, no service | 11:45 |
| XirXes | im using xchat now but i dont like how it does some stuff | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | MIRC for linux...? don't think so lol | 11:45 |
| ocm | Windows7 here lol | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | winblows | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | i have to use it at work. | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | but that's usually where i stop using it haha | 11:47 |
| ocm | works for me | 11:47 |
| ocm | I just dont have the time to configure a linux distro to my liking | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | ubuntu works for me | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have the time to deal with licensing, blue screens and antivirus software. or defragmenting. | 11:48 |
| ocm | i dont worry about defragging, my school provides win7 enterprise x64, havent had a blue screen for months, i dont use AV | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | don't worry about it, that's the best solution hahahaha | 11:50 |
| ocm | well, everytime i check i dont need to defrag lol | 11:50 |
| ocm | Ive got my disk nicely partitioned | 11:50 |
| ocm | I take care of my electronics lol | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 11:52 |
| stinebd | i run a refragger on mine | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:52 |
| XirXes | win 7 has defraging sceduled by default | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | linux doesn't fragment it's file system... | 11:53 |
| ocm | and as far as antivirus goes.... | 11:53 |
| ocm | been running without an AV for about 2.5 years now, formatting every 5 months-ish | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | yea, definitely don't have time for that lol | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | i used to have to reinstall windows every 6 months | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | i got sick of it. | 11:53 |
| ocm | I like reinstalling it every so often | 11:54 |
| XirXes | I use avast but its never found anything | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | nod32 ftw. | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | i hate reinstalling the OS. i shouldn't have to do that every 6 months. | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | hell my linux server runs for 6 months with a reboot. more if i quit messing with stuff :P | 11:55 |
| ocm | lol | 11:55 |
| XirXes | my comp usually goes about a month between reboots | 11:55 |
| ocm | but its a server | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | it used to be ubuntu-desktop | 11:55 |
| ocm | I just have a thing for clean installs | 11:55 |
| XirXes | around that time it starts doing things weird | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol i had to reinstall windows every 6 months. no more. | 11:56 |
| ocm | doesnt take long with win7 | 11:56 |
| ocm | besides, it makes you clean the os | 11:56 |
| ocm | install only what you need | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | don't care, it's a complete waste of itme. | 11:56 |
| XirXes | elitest | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i install only what i need so i don't need a 'clean os' every 6 months. it's clean already :P | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol cuz i don't have time to reinstall the OS and all its applications every 6 months? i guess... | 11:57 |
| XirXes | I try all sorts of stuff but I wouldnt consider my install dirty. more clutterd | 11:57 |
| ocm | yeah i end up installing too much crap i only use once, and it usually doesnt work lol | 11:58 |
| ocm | My file system is perfectly structured though | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | perfectly huh | 11:58 |
| ocm | X:\Data\Modding\Mobile\Winmo | 11:58 |
| ocm | perfectly for me haha | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:58 |
| XirXes | mines terrible. I have stuff every where. I just remember where it all is | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | i'm a big fan of do what works best for YOU. | 11:59 |
| ocm | yeah i used to have it like that | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | i had outgrown windows, it stopped working for me :P | 11:59 |
| ocm | i zeroed out my drive, backed up only what was critical and restructured everything | 11:59 |
| XirXes | I started with 98 | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | hopefully not in that order. | 11:59 |
| XirXes | its gotten better every time | 11:59 |
| XirXes | i skiped me tho | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | i skipped vista bleh | 12:00 |
| ocm | I started out with win95 | 12:00 |
| AstainHellbring | vista was a great os for its day | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | i tried ME, i was a kid when it came out. i wanted the bleeding edge, and that's when i reinstalled every month it seemed. i guess this means i'm old, i don't have time to reinstall my OS every month :P | 12:00 |
| AstainHellbring | 7 blows it away but it was great for its day on the right hardware | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | started? technically i started on an appleIIe | 12:01 |
| ocm | let the gods of computing have mercy on ME/Vista | 12:01 |
| XirXes | i waited till service pack 1 came out for vista and I ran that one install untill windows 7 beta | 12:01 |
| ocm | no | 12:01 |
| ocm | Longhorn was great | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | Vista always sucked IMHO. the interface was just broken. | 12:01 |
| ocm | I was on windows 7 since the first leak came out | 12:01 |
| XirXes | I never had any problems with vista. but now that I have 7 I never want to go back there again | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | i ran the beta, it's pretty good don't get me wrong. i just prefer ubuntu. | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | boot and shutdown are SO much faster. | 12:02 |
| XirXes | there isnt an os out there for everyone | 12:02 |
| XirXes | agreed | 12:02 |
| ocm | Ill never forget that windows7 leak that deleted the first 2-3 seconds of variable bitrate mp3's | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | there's a few things i still have to boot windows for. | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | jeez dude quit pirating windows lol | 12:03 |
| XirXes | NEVER | 12:03 |
| AstainHellbring | technet ftw | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | then enjoy the consequences? | 12:03 |
| ocm | I still havent gotten around to redownloading the Halo OST | 12:03 |
| XirXes | i wouldnt know about those | 12:04 |
| XirXes | Ive got "GENUINE" windows baby | 12:04 |
| hamagc | fuck vista | 12:05 |
| ocm | Ive got a 100% legitimate install lol | 12:05 |
| hamagc | they went retarded with vista | 12:05 |
| ocm | I know how to exploit the resources my school offers xD | 12:05 |
| ocm | Visual Studio 2010 Professional | 12:05 |
| ocm | legit | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | well i used to be part of MSDN | 12:05 |
| XirXes | nice | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | when i was in school | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | they gave me 5 licenses of basically every piece of software they had. | 12:05 |
| ocm | my schools got an MSDNAA licence with MS i guess | 12:05 |
| ocm | epic lol | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | perks of being a comp sci major lo,l | 12:07 |
| ocm | lol | 12:07 |
| ocm | Most US universities have that msdnaa licence too | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | yea, wouldn't surprise me. | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | so much cheaper than buying the crap piecemeal. | 12:08 |
| ocm | its still too easy to pirate anything coming from microsoft | 12:08 |
| AstainHellbring | in the end its easy to pirate about anything | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | yea... let's not talk about that here. | 12:09 |
| ocm | we're not mentioning any specifics lol | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | still | 12:11 |
| ocm | fair enough | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | i hate being a stick in the mud, but i can't encourage piracy talk in here... | 12:12 |
| ocm | I understand | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | guten | 12:13 |
| ocm | who owns this channel? | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | 'owns'? | 12:13 |
| ocm | im not sure it was the corrent word lol | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | lol not sure either. | 12:13 |
| ocm | who started it, better said | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | probably stine or phh i would guess. | 12:13 |
| ocm | ah | 12:14 |
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| ocm | so arrrghhh do you know what nick cotulla is using today? lol | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | nope | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think he's been on in a while. | 12:14 |
| ocm | ok | 12:14 |
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| ocm | arrrghhh youve got a tp2 right? | 12:20 |
| AstainHellbring | ocm I has one too | 12:21 |
| JesusFreak316 | He does. :) | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:21 |
| JesusFreak316 | With a posh data plan that he won't shut up about. ;) | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | damn got ninja'd on a question directed at me about what device i own lol | 12:21 |
| JesusFreak316 | :D | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha oh it's not just the data plan that's posh, it's the whole plan :P | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | and i don't like divulging details, unless it's to torture you JesusFreak316 | 12:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | Yeah, I know but that's what sticks out to me. | 12:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | Don't I know it. | 12:22 |
| ocm | uh, ehm | 12:22 |
| ocm | hd2 ftw? lol | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | hd2 ftl | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | no CDMA love | 12:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | You have an HD2? What are you doing here, lol? | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | i think he joined on my bandwagon invite. | 12:23 |
| JesusFreak316 | Otay. | 12:23 |
| AstainHellbring | cdma FTL | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | maybe that was just AstainHellbring lol | 12:23 |
| stinebd | dont be jealous of their code division! | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | but i'm so cheap you bastard! | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:23 |
| JesusFreak316 | ZOMG I want my hd2 now. | 12:24 |
| AstainHellbring | JesusFreak316 getting excited huh | 12:24 |
| ocm | yeah im just here for the lulz | 12:24 |
| ocm | cdma is fail | 12:24 |
| JesusFreak316 | aka trolling, eh ocm? :D | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:24 |
| ocm | not quite lol | 12:24 |
| stinebd | around here, the lulz are in excess | 12:24 |
| ocm | I just honestly think gsm is the future xD | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | if CDMA wan't so freakin cheap i probably would be on a shitty gsm carrier lol | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | GSM isn't... it's going away dude. | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | LTE | 12:25 |
| AstainHellbring | tmous is way cheap | 12:25 |
| JesusFreak316 | I'm hoping by Christmas there will be a Gingerbread build, a WP7 build, and a meego build for my hd2. | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol tmo is for 14-year-olds. | 12:25 |
| AstainHellbring | tmo works great here | 12:25 |
| JesusFreak316 | Yes, bu arrrghhh has a special sprint plan. | 12:25 |
| stinebd | xdandroid will never have gingerbread | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol JesusFreak316 you're just going to let your phone sit until then huh | 12:25 |
| ocm | lol why do you want meego | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: gingerbread or honeycomb? | 12:25 |
| stinebd | gingerbread | 12:25 |
| stinebd | now, spread word to the forums | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | gingerbread doesn't seem to bring that many great things reading about it. | 12:25 |
| stinebd | and watch xda-devs melt down | 12:26 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 12:26 |
| JesusFreak316 | Meego is legit linux. | 12:26 |
| JesusFreak316 | stinebd, I mean for my hd2. | 12:26 |
| ocm | Android will do the job for me lol | 12:26 |
| ocm | i want me windows pocketpc 2005 | 12:26 |
| JesusFreak316 | Why no gingerbread for xdandroid? Hardware acceleration would probably do wonders for our interface smoothness. | 12:27 |
| stinebd | JesusFreak316: not enough donations! | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | JesusFreak316: FUD | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | with an emphasis on the U and D | 12:28 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:28 |
| stinebd | the hardware accel will most likely not work for us anyway | 12:28 |
| JesusFreak316 | ogl es 2.0 only? | 12:28 |
| stinebd | i can nearly guarantee it will require ogles2 hardware | 12:28 |
| JesusFreak316 | :( | 12:28 |
| JesusFreak316 | I need to actually look into gingerbread. | 12:28 |
| stinebd | also that's probably honeycomb | 12:29 |
| JesusFreak316 | Oh, it's hard to know. | 12:29 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know why but google hasn't said much about gingerbread. | 12:29 |
| stinebd | i don't think surfaceflinger will be radically different in gingerbread | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | i read something today on it, the featurelist was paltry | 12:30 |
| JesusFreak316 | Is gingerbread officially 2.3? | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 12:30 |
| stinebd | webm will be nice | 12:30 |
| stinebd | at least for me | 12:30 |
| JesusFreak316 | So, are the features discussed for gingerbread when it was supposed to be 3.0 now only applicable to honeycomb? | 12:30 |
| stinebd | i can finally get the streaming tv thing i set up to work well on it | 12:30 |
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| JesusFreak316 | Ooh, maybe voip in gingerbread google voice. This is relevant to my interests. | 12:31 |
| arrrghhh | you can already setup SIP with android. | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | i guess native is always a bonus. | 12:32 |
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| JesusFreak316 | Yeah, but I don't really wanna look into sip. It seemed complicated and I feel lazy. | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | feel or are | 12:32 |
| JesusFreak316 | Both. | 12:33 |
| XirXes | Socially Inappropriate Porn? | 12:33 |
| JesusFreak316 | O.o | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | wow | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | best use of SIP acronym EVAR | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:33 |
| XirXes | lol | 12:33 |
| JesusFreak316 | Speak of the devil. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/making-free-calls-with-sipdroid-and-gizmo5-on-viewsonic-g/ | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | yea SIP Droid indeed | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | so you'll read about crap if it's shoved in front of you lol | 12:35 |
| JesusFreak316 | Purty much. | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | no comment. | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | well, i have one, but i'll keep it to myself :P | 12:35 |
| JesusFreak316 | :) | 12:35 |
| JesusFreak316 | Anyone tried the winstart start menu replacement in Winmo? It's amazing. | 12:36 |
| arrrghhh | i only use winmo to make calls and boot android LOL | 12:36 |
| XirXes | If I change my lcd.density= to 210 will it give me a vga rendered screen? | 12:36 |
| JesusFreak316 | Well,it's still really smooth. | 12:36 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 12:36 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes: but things will be sized odd. | 12:36 |
| JesusFreak316 | I like Winmo for camera, among other things. | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | the homescreen s/b fine, but certain apps will have black bars around it. | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | eh i don't take pictures. | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | i use a real camera if i need to :P | 12:37 |
| XirXes | hmm | 12:37 |
| JesusFreak316 | My real camera's broken. :( | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | that sucks. | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | i bought my gf one for her b-day last year, so i just steal it whenever i need to take a pic :P | 12:38 |
| JesusFreak316 | I carried it in my pocket 24/7. Even when skiing. :) | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | no wonder it's broken haha | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | can't WAIT to go ridin | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | the mountains are getting hammered. | 12:39 |
| AstainHellbring | I got a nice 12MP cam for christmas | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | it's funny, the cheapo cameras are catching up in the MP wars | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | now it's all down to the aperture really. | 12:40 |
| JesusFreak316 | MP wars mean nothing. | 12:40 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:40 |
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| arrrghhh | schenanigans jensen | 12:43 |
| arrrghhh | er | 12:43 |
| arrrghhh | JesusFreak316. sorry jensen :P | 12:43 |
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| arrrghhh | ok this is driving me batty. what's the difference between msm and qsd? | 12:56 |
| ocm | /back | 12:57 |
| ocm | lol | 12:57 |
| ocm | different cpus? | 12:57 |
| ocm | sorry to point out the uh obvious? lol | 12:57 |
| arrrghhh | but they can both be snapdragon... | 12:57 |
| ocm | oh? | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_%28processor%29#Current_.26_Future_Specifications.5B12.5D.5B13.5D.5B14.5D | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | some are MSM7xxx some are QSD8xxx | 12:58 |
| ocm | does the TP2 have the specs to run 2.3? | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | it doesn't have the specs to run 2.2 but it does | 12:58 |
| ocm | lol | 12:58 |
| arrrghhh | just say you don't know :P | 12:58 |
| ocm | MSM8260 | 13:00 |
| ocm | *drools* | 13:00 |
| F22 | honestly arrrghhh, the difference seems to be mostly marketing now that we have snapdragon msm's. the msm just seems to be the lower end product line that for the time being are being kept below 1 GHz so they don't outcompete their more expensive siblings. | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | newer planned msm's are 1+ghz | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | qsd is definitely still cream of the crop tho | 13:09 |
| F22 | yup, once qsd goes dual core...msm will likely be allowed to hit 1 GHz. | 13:09 |
| ocm | QSD8250 is still good | 13:09 |
| ocm | getting outdated, but still good | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | had a little tiff with a moron on ppcg. kept trying to tell me the desire Z has the same processor as the tp2 and we should be able to port their rom over to our phones blah blah blah | 13:09 |
| F22 | theonly real issue with the 50 is the gpu. | 13:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 13:10 |
| ocm | Ive heard its "decent" | 13:10 |
| arrrghhh | 2nd gen fixed that. | 13:10 |
| arrrghhh | 3rd gen supposed to be even better too :D perhaps i'll finally be ready to make the jump to android. | 13:10 |
| ocm | lol | 13:10 |
| ocm | Well | 13:10 |
| ocm | videos of the hd2 running games are good | 13:10 |
| ocm | Its not like it super lags | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | i don't want or desire an hd2. | 13:11 |
| AstainHellbring | arrrghhh wow what an idiot | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | a hd2? sounds wrong. | 13:11 |
| ocm | lol, its better tha na tp2 | 13:11 |
| ocm | than a * | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | AstainHellbring: yea... ppcg seems full of 'em. | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | ocm: to you :P | 13:11 |
| F22 | we -wish- the tp2 had the same cpu as the z....damn...i'd be in heaven... | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | i will not argue that the hd2 has a great processor and screen. | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | but i LOVE the kbd on the tp2. can't be beat. | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | the tilt screen is pretty nice too ;) | 13:12 |
| F22 | nothing tops the tp2's kbd. | 13:12 |
| arrrghhh | nope | 13:12 |
| ocm | CLiq keyboard is awesome | 13:12 |
| XirXes | i tried a g2's keyboard yesterday | 13:12 |
| arrrghhh | and? | 13:12 |
| ocm | (yes im serious) lol | 13:12 |
| AstainHellbring | fuck ocm you're high | 13:12 |
| AstainHellbring | cliq's keyboard is worthless | 13:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:12 |
| XirXes | not nearly as good as ours | 13:12 |
| F22 | the tp2 compares very well with today's high end handsets in all ways except one, and that's the cpu. | 13:12 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes: not surprised. | 13:12 |
| ocm | the keyboard is awesome on the cliq | 13:13 |
| ocm | well | 13:13 |
| arrrghhh | the cliq's kbd looks like my apache kbd lol | 13:13 |
| ocm | i love it | 13:13 |
| arrrghhh | old. outdated :P | 13:13 |
| XirXes | its smaller. in every way. smaller keys. less keys.... | 13:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea. i can't use it anyways, but glad i didn't jump on it if i was able to lol | 13:13 |
| AstainHellbring | athena has a nice keyboard | 13:13 |
| XirXes | the rom on that thing was so snappy tho | 13:14 |
| ocm | i wont argue the phone itself is not that great | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | i bet | 13:14 |
| ocm | the build quality of Moto is usually second to none though | 13:14 |
| F22 | i'll take xdandroid on a tp2 over motoblur on a cliq any day... | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | ocm: uh... hello? htc? | 13:14 |
| ocm | "second to none" | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | if you say so. | 13:14 |
| XirXes | im still trying to figure out how to enable the in call touch ui. :( | 13:14 |
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| ocm | I dont know about newer moto phones, particularly the android ones after the cliq | 13:15 |
| ocm | but take for example the zn5, all metal body and just feels solid lol | 13:15 |
| arrrghhh | well moto had good build quality for nextel phones, but those had to be. | 13:15 |
| ocm | yeah | 13:15 |
| arrrghhh | i remember my old nextel bricks | 13:16 |
| ocm | i wonder where cotulla is lol | 13:16 |
| arrrghhh | those things were unbeatable. | 13:16 |
| ocm | id love to have magldr... | 13:16 |
| arrrghhh | BRICK | 13:16 |
| ocm | the v3, those things seem to never break | 13:16 |
| AstainHellbring | what is magldr? | 13:16 |
| XirXes | i broke a v3 | 13:16 |
| ocm | and, being a moto user myself, its too hard to brick them lol | 13:16 |
| ocm | well, most of them | 13:17 |
| ocm | No worries on radio/spl/rom combination that works | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | AstainHellbring: nand for hd2. | 13:17 |
| XirXes | every moto I had died before its time | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | like tinboot or uboot | 13:17 |
| AstainHellbring | ahh very coo arrrghhh | 13:17 |
| F22 | there was a reacent study that said moto was a hair more reliable than htc. | 13:18 |
| F22 | apple won that contest. | 13:18 |
| F22 | moto was 2nd, htc was 3rd. | 13:18 |
| F22 | the differnces weren't that great though. | 13:18 |
| F22 | appled got panned though for being too fragile however. | 13:19 |
| F22 | apple | 13:19 |
| ocm | lol, not surprised | 13:19 |
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| F22 | so when the iphone's fragility was taken into consideration, moto came out on top, by a hair over htc. | 13:21 |
| ocm | there he is (cotulla) lol | 13:21 |
| XirXes | YAY I found it | 13:22 |
| F22 | the in call touch ui? | 13:24 |
| XirXes | yeah | 13:24 |
| AstainHellbring | what rom does everyone run for hd2? | 13:25 |
| XirXes | its enabled in config.xml in xdandroid/packages/apps/Phone/res/values | 13:25 |
| XirXes | AstainHellbring, we dont have hd2s. exept jesus | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | AstainHellbring: not many hd2 peoples in here. | 13:26 |
| XirXes | ninjad | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | most hang out in htc-linux-chat as you know. | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:26 |
| stinebd | XirXes: you mean xdandroid/device/xdandroid/msm/overlay/packages/apps/Phone/res/values/config.xml | 13:26 |
| stinebd | i haven't tried it on our devices yet, i wonder if it would fit | 13:27 |
| stinebd | not really optimistic considering the menu didn't even fit right | 13:27 |
| XirXes | i want to play with it so I can make it fit | 13:28 |
| stinebd | on vga? | 13:28 |
| stinebd | good luck | 13:28 |
| XirXes | yeah. im thinking if I set it up so that the buttons have to be a set distance from the bottom as opposed to how there set up now I may be able to | 13:29 |
| ocm | im off | 13:29 |
| ocm | math class lol | 13:29 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | hello all | 13:31 |
| XirXes | even if it were working i think it would be best if we had a way to turn it off like how cyanogenmod has it | 13:31 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | arrrghhh ... back for the kernel especially ! | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | and? | 13:32 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | infortunately ... not working :( | 13:32 |
| arrrghhh | 'hrm | 13:32 |
| arrrghhh | well, that's not it then. | 13:32 |
| arrrghhh | i guess DIAM's just don't deserve battery management. | 13:32 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | with logcat, we found always this: | 13:33 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | W/BatteryStatsImpl( 1255): Couldn't get kernel wake lock stats | 13:33 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | and | 13:33 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | E/Tethering( 1255): attempting to remove unknown iface (usb0), ignoring | 13:33 |
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| XirXes | ftvm. the teathering thing is always there. ignore it | 13:34 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. | 13:35 |
| arrrghhh | not sure about the battstats either, but i don't think that's the issue. | 13:35 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok ok but ... sound destroy ... appear this message in logcat | 13:36 |
| arrrghhh | who needs sound. | 13:37 |
| arrrghhh | i just use my phone as a bludgeoning device. | 13:37 |
| arrrghhh | the people i'm beating make enough sound as it is. | 13:37 |
| XirXes | lol | 13:37 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes ... for radio with 3G on the motorcycle lol ;) | 13:38 |
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| arrrghhh | that sounds mildly dangerous | 13:39 |
| arrrghhh | semi-illegal haha | 13:40 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes lol | 13:40 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | but ... very good ;) | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | we don't condone that | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | so we're not going to fix the issue to help your illegal pursuits | 13:40 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | ohhhhhhhh lol | 13:41 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ;) | 13:41 |
| XirXes | lol you litigious bastard | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | hahahaha | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | hey i'm not going to get into any lawsuits because some french guy was listening to music and crashed because he couldn't hear | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | the thought of a lawsuit being brought against the community makes me giggle tho | 13:42 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | no ... no risk lol ;) | 13:42 |
| XirXes | me too | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | ok. must be careful to only extract the nbh.. | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | our antivirus at work likes to flag the ruu tools as virii lol | 13:44 |
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| XirXes | lol using the sd method then? | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | i prefer that anyways | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | so i can flash whenever | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | i was doing a lot of nand testing too for a while there, it was the only way to get it done really! | 13:45 |
| XirXes | I like to keep a good rom on my sd incase something really fucks up | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 13:46 |
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| arrrghhh | ftvm_DIAM100: well i'm sorry man. not sure what it could be at this point, battery code is definitely suspect... but tracking down the problem and actually fixing it, that's a whole nother can of worms. | 13:49 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | oh yes ... i understand | 13:50 |
| arrrghhh | hopefully with some logs and a knowledgeable person we can get it sorted. | 13:51 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | and, in helping with the kernel working ??? | 13:51 |
| arrrghhh | <----------- not a knowledgeable person. | 13:51 |
| arrrghhh | not sure what you mean by that. | 13:51 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | in use for debug the problem ... the kernel who is work ... and no sound stuttering | 13:54 |
| arrrghhh | still not getting it. | 13:55 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok ok | 13:55 |
| arrrghhh | you're asking who is the knowledgeable about fixing this issue? | 13:56 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | mmmmmmm i unknow ... :( | 13:57 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:57 |
| arrrghhh | there's lots of things i'd like to unknow | 13:57 |
| XirXes | in call ui is working. now I can play with its layout | 13:58 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes yes | 13:59 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | kernel 201005 working ... but no battery management ? is that correct? | 14:01 |
| arrrghhh | well | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | poor battery status | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't say "no" | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | and it's not so much management | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | as it is about the meter | 14:02 |
| stinebd | i wonder if my local airport has attractive female tsa officials | 14:03 |
| arrrghhh | claim you're gay so one of 'em can rub you down. | 14:04 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok ... yes | 14:04 |
| arrrghhh | they're all 300lb african-americans. have fun. :P | 14:04 |
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| arrrghhh | fawk. i guess i should eat lunch. | 14:14 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | i guess also ... arrrghhh !!! ;) | 14:17 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | re | 14:36 |
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| pubi | hello | 15:35 |
| pubi | anybody here? | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | nope | 15:36 |
| pubi | ;) | 15:36 |
| arrrghhh | what's up? | 15:36 |
| pubi | i have one question about installing android on htc diamond | 15:37 |
| pubi | i have read a couple of posts | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | ok.. | 15:37 |
| pubi | bot i can't found out | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | what | 15:37 |
| pubi | what i am doing wrong | 15:37 |
| pubi | a just can't unzip file | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | uhm. | 15:37 |
| pubi | hhe, hers stupid | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | wtf? | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | 7zip? | 15:38 |
| pubi | *hears | 15:38 |
| pubi | yes | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | use 7zip. | 15:38 |
| pubi | i am using 7zip | 15:38 |
| pubi | first a tried over win 7 | 15:38 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | you have look ? we talk about my problem of sound stuttering in xda forum?, which is a good thing, at least I'm not alone | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | so what's the problem? right click, unzip. | 15:38 |
| pubi | then with ubuntu | 15:38 |
| pubi | we are taling about win | 15:38 |
| pubi | or ubuntu | 15:38 |
| pubi | i have unzipped it | 15:39 |
| pubi | i am sorry | 15:39 |
| arrrghhh | what's the problem! | 15:39 |
| pubi | i am not clear enaough | 15:39 |
| arrrghhh | no | 15:39 |
| pubi | ok... | 15:39 |
| pubi | i have unzipped it | 15:39 |
| pubi | and then it is written, that will be folders inside | 15:40 |
| pubi | whish i have to copy into my phoine | 15:40 |
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| pubi | whish=which | 15:40 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 15:40 |
| pubi | but those folders don't exists | 15:40 |
| pubi | it is only one file | 15:40 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 15:40 |
| arrrghhh | i'm betting you downloaded an update | 15:40 |
| arrrghhh | NOT a build | 15:40 |
| pubi | and this file i can not unzip | 15:40 |
| arrrghhh | you can't update something you don't have | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | i'm betting it's system.ext2? | 15:41 |
| pubi | i have system. | 15:41 |
| pubi | hehe | 15:41 |
| pubi | yeah | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | that's a system image update. if you've never installed android you need to get a build. | 15:41 |
| pubi | aha.. now we are getting somwhere | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | that's like trying to update windows before windows is installed. doesn't work like that. | 15:41 |
| pubi | understand | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | you can't put bigger tires on your truck if you don't have a truck to put tires on lol | 15:42 |
| * arrrghhh needs new tires for his truck | 15:42 | |
| pubi | hehee | 15:42 |
| pubi | and where can i download a build? | 15:43 |
| pubi | under files repositroy? | 15:43 |
| arrrghhh | no | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | so you said you read some thread posts | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | where? | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | there are no builds on xdandroid. | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | which i'm starting to think we should include a vanilla one. | 15:44 |
| pubi | i read them in xda forum | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | that's a good place to get a build from. | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | didn't find any download links there?!? | 15:45 |
| pubi | can you maybe point me to some good build? | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 15:45 |
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| pubi | grrr... i am totaly lost again | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | ugh | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'll just drop you a link | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | i hate doing that. | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | lol DIAM doesn't have an android section. | 15:50 |
| pubi | ? | 15:50 |
| pubi | hehe | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: we should just drop support for the DIAM. no body uses it anyways. | 15:51 |
| pubi | yes, thats true | 15:51 |
| pubi | i got it for free in my company | 15:51 |
| NeoMatrixJR | hey arrrghhh: how's your battery life been since WisTilt2's updated code? I thought it was supposed to shut the panel off? | 15:51 |
| arrrghhh | it's a company phone? | 15:51 |
| pubi | and it is veryyyyyyyyy slow | 15:51 |
| pubi | yes | 15:52 |
| pubi | company phone | 15:52 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: it seems better | 15:52 |
| arrrghhh | pubi: can't help you break a company phone. | 15:52 |
| pubi | hehe | 15:52 |
| pubi | yes, you can | 15:52 |
| pubi | ;) | 15:52 |
| arrrghhh | no, i can't. | 15:52 |
| pubi | ohhh man | 15:53 |
| pubi | ok | 15:53 |
| pubi | just a sec | 15:53 |
| arrrghhh | just grab a build | 15:53 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | oh no !!!!!!!!!!!! | 15:53 |
| arrrghhh | touch pro android section is probably your best bet, considering no one uses the DIAM. | 15:53 |
| pubi | i read, that i can normaly run windows | 15:53 |
| NeoMatrixJR | the phone's supposed to be cold and last over a day now from what WT2's been saying, but mine's been in a pouch all day. It's hot and almost dead./\ | 15:54 |
| pubi | after | 15:54 |
| pubi | ok, ia am going t ogive a shot | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: sounds like you have a rogue app then. | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | mine definitely goes cold when i'm not using it. | 15:54 |
| NeoMatrixJR | hmmm. | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | and battery life seems good, but whether or not it's better than autobuild i can't say. | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | pubi: honestly if it's a work phone i wouldn't do it. | 15:55 |
| NeoMatrixJR | or do you think it could be caused by low/no cell signal? | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | there's still a lot of things that are broken or wonky | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | and if you need to receive calls on it... | 15:55 |
| pubi | thank, you arrrghh for directions | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: well that kills batteries of any device... | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | searching for a signal that is. | 15:56 |
| NeoMatrixJR | think there could be a problem we're overlooking and the phone works TOO hard to find a signal causing my heat issue? | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | doubtful | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | when i'm up snowboarding, my old raph used to heat up like crazy and die within a few hours if i left the radio on | 15:57 |
| arrrghhh | this is in winmo keep in mind. | 15:57 |
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| F22 | arrrghhh, check out the patches i currently have up on the bugtracker. are they both viewable? | 17:07 |
| F22 | one of them isn't showing me a diff. | 17:08 |
| F22 | apparently it's somehow tripping up bugzilla's security restrictions. | 17:11 |
| F22 | i wonder why. | 17:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | your posts are unsecure | 17:14 |
| arrrghhh | sorry reading thru this stupid DRAC documentation. | 17:14 |
| F22 | no prob. | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | where did you file the bugs? | 17:15 |
| F22 | Source framework/base | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | a hoy | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | i see 2 bugs and 2 patches... what's the prob? | 17:17 |
| F22 | only see a diff for one of the patches. | 17:17 |
| F22 | should be able to see diffs for both. | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea it seems the patch on bug 61 takes me to a download link instead of the diff... | 17:17 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61 enhancement, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Patch to add keys into Android's keyboard symbol palette | 17:17 |
| F22 | yup | 17:18 |
| F22 | wonder why | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | i think the MIME type is wrong | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | you have the MIME set as an application on 61. on 62 it's set as text/plain | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | fixed | 17:19 |
| F22 | the mime was generated by git. i didn't do it myself. | 17:20 |
| arrrghhh | don't lie to me. | 17:20 |
| F22 | lol, i'm not. | 17:21 |
| arrrghhh | ha, don't sweat it. | 17:21 |
| arrrghhh | just givin you guff. it should be fine now. | 17:21 |
| ocm | he knows where you live | 17:21 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | F5F5F5F5F5F5F5 | 17:21 |
| F22 | i'll have to keep that in mind for next time, the mime issue that is, justin case it happens again. | 17:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea it's usually pretty good about auto-selecting... not sure why it did once properly and once improperly. meh. | 17:22 |
| F22 | i'll just remove the MIME-Version: 1.0 | 17:22 |
| F22 | the other one didn't have a mime set on it. | 17:23 |
| F22 | if i were to hazard a guess it's because of the hex chars in the text. | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | maybe. | 17:23 |
| F22 | according to my patch, 61 was set as: | 17:24 |
| F22 | MIME-Version: 1.0 | 17:24 |
| F22 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 | 17:24 |
| F22 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | 17:24 |
| F22 | none of that was set on 62. | 17:24 |
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| F22 | anyways, thanks for fixing it. :D | 17:38 |
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| arrrghhh | i do what i can. | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | probably going to be the only thing i'll be able to fix for you :P | 17:45 |
| F22 | don't sell yourself short. while i've been lurking in the kernel room for over a year now, i haven't been using xdandroid very long at all, and i'm less familiar with all its quirks and issues then you are. | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i've picked up quite a bit in here & the forums | 17:52 |
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| arrrghhh | i'm out, peace | 18:02 |
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| emwe | gnight. | 18:32 |
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| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes I must be crazy to have a DIAM 100 ! | 18:45 |
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| ocm | it was a good phone for its time lol | 18:54 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | yes | 18:55 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | but a lot of trouble to make it work on android | 18:56 |
| ocm | whats the status of android on it? | 19:05 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | problem of awake device, problem of sound stutter... | 19:07 |
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| ocm | oh | 19:11 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | what your device ? | 19:13 |
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| ocm | hd2 | 19:14 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | oh yes !!! | 19:14 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | good device | 19:14 |
| ocm | yup lol | 19:16 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | no problem with android ? | 19:16 |
| ocm | just some occasional freezes | 19:28 |
| ocm | cant calibrate gSensor | 19:28 |
| ocm | nand is being worked on by cotulla | 19:29 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok ok this is little problem ... of course | 19:29 |
| ocm | yeah | 19:36 |
| ocm | most consider it to be stable for everyday use | 19:36 |
| ftvm_DIAM100 | ok good | 19:38 |
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| stinebd | hmm, interesting changes found on cm's gallery3d | 20:54 |
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| stinebd | arrrghhh I NEED YOU | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | why bryan | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you'd never come around | 21:59 |
| stinebd | i can no longer repro the volume crash | 21:59 |
| stinebd | without jit | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | really? | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | damnit jim how do i properly disable jit? | 21:59 |
| stinebd | setprop dalvik.vm.execution-mode int:fast | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | i swear i tried that. here goes again. | 22:00 |
| stinebd | i also can't crash gallery3d | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:00 |
| stinebd | i think we should disable jit if these results are consistent | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | disabling JIT fixes all eh? | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | how's the camera work? | 22:00 |
| stinebd | pictures are kinda fuzzy | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:01 |
| stinebd | dont forget you need to restart android after that setprop | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | i can soft reset and boot android again? | 22:02 |
| stinebd | yeah | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | or i guess i should say is that the only option | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | i think we went over that before tho. | 22:02 |
| stinebd | not the only option | 22:02 |
| stinebd | the other option is killall zygote from adb shell | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea but that soft resets as well yea? | 22:02 |
| stinebd | i prefer that method because of its violence | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | i prefer to be violent to winmo | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | not android | 22:03 |
| stinebd | linux remains booted in that method | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | i'll do that then. | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | if i can skip the winmo part :D | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | alright usb cable... where are you | 22:03 |
| stinebd | i feel okay about disabling jit with the fake armv6 optimizations | 22:04 |
| stinebd | we gain some usable memory and don't lose much performance (probably none noticeably) | 22:04 |
| ocm | arrrghhh: http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html | 22:06 |
| ocm | product details tab | 22:07 |
| ocm | its got some details on the different cpus | 22:07 |
| stinebd | ohhhh | 22:10 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: that setprop doesn't persist apparently | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | persist? | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | i thought i had to reboot for it to take effect :P | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | ocm, thanks dude. i'll check it out later ;) | 22:12 |
| stinebd | it won't survive a full reboot | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | ah ok | 22:13 |
| stinebd | just a zygote death | 22:13 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 22:13 |
| arrrghhh | doin it now :D | 22:13 |
| stinebd | still hitting oom anr with the gallery changes (gralloc's fault of course) but no crashes | 22:14 |
| stinebd | which is an improvement | 22:14 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 22:14 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | can't seem to reboot it with killall zygote | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | oh i probably need to su first huh | 22:15 |
| stinebd | su? | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | switch user to root? | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | didn't seem to make a difference. | 22:16 |
| stinebd | what are you doing? | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | adb shell | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | i get a prompt | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | then killall zygote | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | i tried su | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | then killall zygote | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | hrm seems to be coming back alive | 22:17 |
| stinebd | lol you killed it twice | 22:17 |
| stinebd | poor thing | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | i was expecting to see the boot anim or something... | 22:17 |
| stinebd | eventually you will | 22:17 |
| stinebd | the final fb image is frozen there for a while before the bootanim service starts up | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | yea, never saw boot anim lol | 22:18 |
| stinebd | might be a rhod thing | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | screen was dark at first... then i saw a few lines of text about the screen init it appeared | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | then a blank screen w/back light on | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | looks like i'm back | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | phone is slower than molasses tho | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | i'll let it sit. | 22:19 |
| stinebd | maybe kill zygote a few more times, i don't think it got the memo | 22:20 |
| stinebd | :P | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahahaha | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | system_server | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | 97.2% cpu | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | i can kill this process, right? lol | 22:21 |
| stinebd | hmm | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | damn, still hasn't settled. | 22:22 |
| stinebd | stick a -TERM in there and you can kill anything | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just watching crap on top | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | not the pretty ncurses i'm used to, but it works. | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | eh process started itself back up. | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't seem to be choking the proc anymore, but now the screen won't come back up haha | 22:24 |
| arrrghhh | blargh. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | your killall zyogote seemed to slaughter more than i bargined for. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | i'll do it again and try to be patient this time :P | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | yea whatever system_server is | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | it's hoggin a lot of cpu | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | let's just remove it. i don't like it's face. | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | its | 22:31 |
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| F22 | system_server is nothing of consequence... ;) lol | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | even looks like JIT is still enabled... | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | bah i've got no service now. i've killed too may zygotes! lol | 22:34 |
| F22 | find more eggs to fertilize... ;) | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 22:34 |
| stinebd | you're really gonna make me roll a whole new system image just for testing? | 22:34 |
| arrrghhh | not rying to | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | trying | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | or maybe i am | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | who knows | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | soft reset time | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | go for it again | 22:35 |
| stinebd | hmm | 22:35 |
| stinebd | i'm seeing the liblights issue apparently | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | wait i could roll my own system image | 22:37 |
| arrrghhh | if this crap doesn't work | 22:37 |
| arrrghhh | i still have everything setup | 22:37 |
| stinebd | yeah i have to talk to emwe | 22:39 |
| stinebd | set_light_backlight() is called whenever the brightness level is to change | 22:39 |
| stinebd | but it's also called whenever the screen is turned on or off | 22:39 |
| stinebd | to set the brightness to 0 (when turning off) or the desired level when turning on | 22:39 |
| stinebd | so what you see with usb plugged in and turning the screen off is a blank screen with backlight still on | 22:40 |
| stinebd | and if you pull usb out, the device goes into power collapse, the hardware kills the backlight, and nothing tries to turn it back on again after resuming | 22:41 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | so should i be able to do a logcat |grep jit and see output if jit is enabled? | 22:42 |
| stinebd | yes | 22:42 |
| stinebd | grep -i | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | definitely still enabled. | 22:42 |
| stinebd | don't be confused by old jit output though | 22:42 |
| stinebd | make sure it's a current pid | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | well i'm watching it increment. | 22:43 |
| F22 | so setprop dalvik.vm.execution-mode init:fast followed by killall zygote via adb should bring jit down and prevent the volume adjustment related crashes from happening... | 22:43 |
| stinebd | int:fast | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | alrighty. tryin again. | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | hey i get a boot anim this time :D | 22:44 |
| F22 | whoops, typo. thanks. that's a really annoying bug, i think i'll try that. | 22:45 |
| stinebd | so now i have a conundrum | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | well jit seems disabled now. it's slower than molasses. | 22:47 |
| stinebd | slower than molasses isn't no-jit's fault | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | like beyond slow. i can't imagine all this is from jit | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:48 |
| stinebd | with latest rootfs, does screen on/off work for you? | 22:48 |
| * F22 waits.... | 22:48 | |
| arrrghhh | on rhod yes | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | on raph no | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | unless you pushed a new one...? | 22:48 |
| stinebd | why the hell would it work on rhod? | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | but i tested the newest rootfs when raph/diam users reported the issue and didn't experience it. | 22:49 |
| stinebd | unless panel deinit turns off backlight and init turns it on | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | emwe said it takes a different code path | 22:49 |
| stinebd | and with the prior one(s) did it work? | 22:50 |
| F22 | slow as molasses is a good way to describe it. | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | yep | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | haven't had a rootfs related issue... well i don't think ever on my rhod | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | but in all fairness i've only had it since august :P | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | F22, it seems to slowly crawl back to a usable speed. | 22:52 |
| stinebd | well | 22:52 |
| stinebd | i'm not entirely sure if that 2nd conditional was necessary for the proper functioning of topa | 22:53 |
| arrrghhh | system_server it still taking basically all of the processor's attention still tho. | 22:53 |
| F22 | ok, well you're a few minutes ahead of me, so mine still has a few minutes of crawling on the ground left... :P | 22:53 |
| arrrghhh | F22, lol it's still not how it usually is :P | 22:53 |
| arrrghhh | can't really test anything in this current state hahaha | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, it wasn't slower for you after the reboot from killall zygote? | 22:54 |
| stinebd | no | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | weird. | 22:54 |
| F22 | nope, by the time the screen lights up after power is pressed it's already falling back to sleep... | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | system_server is basically preventing any other process from getting any processor time. | 22:55 |
| F22 | ah,,, a bit quicker this time | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | greedy bitch. | 22:55 |
| F22 | damn it, won't call out. | 22:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:56 |
| arrrghhh | JIT is definitely disabled from the logcat output tho | 22:56 |
| arrrghhh | which is good... | 22:57 |
| F22 | speed is picking up significantly now | 22:57 |
| F22 | but can't make a call | 22:57 |
| arrrghhh | makin a call now... went thru | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | now to test this volume problem | 22:58 |
| F22 | incoming call successful...now we're getting somewhere. | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | i am abusing this volume rocker | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, i think you're onto something. | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | i abused the hell out of the volume control, no reboots. gonna try a few more calls to be sure. | 23:00 |
| F22 | any particular type of log you want stinebd? or should i just try to make crash? | 23:00 |
| stinebd | just try to make it crash | 23:00 |
| stinebd | the volume thing in particular | 23:00 |
| F22 | will try, and hopefully fail. | 23:00 |
| stinebd | other crashes i don't care about | 23:00 |
| F22 | i'm extremely good at causing that crash... | 23:01 |
| stinebd | if you get the volume thing to crash without jit on, i need the logcat | 23:01 |
| F22 | impressive | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | wow | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | no crashes. | 23:02 |
| F22 | no crashy | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | seems perhaps our procs not supporting JIT has some truth behind it :P | 23:03 |
| stinebd | it's not the processors | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | oh? | 23:03 |
| stinebd | the code is unmaintained | 23:03 |
| F22 | speed of the phone has picked up too. it's no longer crawling | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | mine as well | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | i'd say it's 'about normal' at this point. | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | as far as speed goes. | 23:04 |
| F22 | yup | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | no crashes is not normal tho :P | 23:04 |
| F22 | nope | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | camera is awesome too | 23:04 |
| F22 | rofl | 23:04 |
| stinebd | jit on armv5te is abandoned because the optimizations were minimal at best and the targets had too little memory to benefit realistically | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | so in reality there's no benefit to us running JIT | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | we just had it enabled because it "should" have improved things haha | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | gallery works great too | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | although i thought when we downgraded to gallery2d it was fine | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno | 23:06 |
| stinebd | gallery3d was what i was workign on | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | never really used it | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | yea dude this is freakin schweet | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder how many bugs you solved with this lol | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps created would be a better word. | 23:07 |
| F22 | actually, now my phone seems a little faster than normal if anything. crazy. | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | ;) | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | yea i was going to say the same thing | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | i was thinking it's placebo effect | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | but it does seem faster now LOL | 23:07 |
| stinebd | snake oil | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | seriously | 23:07 |
| F22 | it definitely isn't any slower then usual. | 23:08 |
| F22 | it's done crawling | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | roll a new system image, just say you made some performance enhancements & bug fixes. | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | don't even mention jit | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | well this is awesome. i'm going to do some more extended call testing, but so far 3 calls worth about 5 minutes of abusive volume rockering seems great so far. | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | usually 1 call with 30 seconds of volume rockering would kill it. | 23:09 |
| F22 | i used to be able to make it crash within 5 secs of starting to try. | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 23:10 |
| F22 | i put 10 times that effort into making it crash and no dice. | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | so this is just a build.prop change right? | 23:10 |
| F22 | it refuses to go down | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | this is awesome. | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | just add that int:fast line to the build.prop and go? | 23:10 |
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| JesusFreak316 | Anyone else getting SOD's with the latest kernel and rootfs? | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | known issue on raph's | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | assuming that's what you're using today. | 23:21 |
| JesusFreak316 | I didn't until I updated, though it is rather interesting that the phone keeps running as shown by a logcat. | 23:21 |
| JesusFreak316 | But ok. | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | backlight issue | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | i posted in the forums | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | as did stine :P | 23:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | Ah, yeah I remember you saying that. | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | told raph/diam users to hold back | 23:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | It seemed like a backlight more than a sod issue. | 23:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | What did it, rootfs or kernel? | 23:22 |
| JesusFreak316 | Wait, stine posted in the forum? O.o | 23:23 |
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| r^7z | so, where do I post this: arrrghhhhow's the camera work?22:00 stinebdpictures are kinda fuzzy22:01 | 23:37 |
| r^7z | ;) :P | 23:37 |
| stinebd | don't worry | 23:37 |
| stinebd | i got it running at 5 megapixels | 23:38 |
| stinebd | overrezzed camera | 23:38 |
| * r^7z blinks | 23:38 | |
| r^7z | oOo... | 23:38 |
| r^7z | very interesting... | 23:38 |
| r^7z | who would have ever though disabling something with a three letter word would possibly bring us closer to a "heavily" sought after function... | 23:39 |
| r^7z | makes sense though... :D | 23:39 |
| stinebd | for the record i'm not being serious :P | 23:40 |
| r^7z | it's all good | 23:40 |
| stinebd | that's mostly for TheDeadCPU who would otherwise spread all this and get it posted on slashdot somehow | 23:41 |
| r^7z | still would be interesting though... | 23:41 |
| F22 | lol | 23:41 |
| r^7z | figures | 23:42 |
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| stinebd | hmm | 23:54 |
| F22 | ? | 23:54 |
| stinebd | bug 12 appears fixed | 23:55 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12 minor, Low, ---, stinebd, ASSIGNED, Terminal emulator special keys/digits do not respond | 23:55 |
| stinebd | wish i knew why | 23:55 |
| stinebd | sigh | 23:56 |
| stinebd | maybe i should just package an update | 23:56 |
| F22 | hmm...never tried the on-screen kbd since i have a physical one. | 23:56 |
| F22 | at least not with the terminal emulator | 23:57 |
| stinebd | i think the & key on the physical keyboard wasn't working too | 23:57 |
| JesusFreak316 | ZOMFG CAMERA'S WORKING???!!!1! | 23:58 |
| JesusFreak316 | :) | 23:58 |
| F22 | i thought it was, but it's possible i might have missed it. can't remember if i ever used it. | 23:59 |
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