Wednesday, 2010-11-03

arrrghhhgot a little worried there.00:00
arrrghhhwow it's going WAY faster now.00:00
arrrghhhweird.00:01
arrrghhhlike 110kb/s vs 2mb/s lol00:01
arrrghhhthis should go much faster now lol00:02
arrrghhhdamnit.  back to 100k.00:28
arrrghhhi remember when i thought 10k was screamin LOL00:29
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DidiVampireHi guys!03:53
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MegaMatzehey guys, i just updated roofts, initrd and the new froyo 2.2.1 yesterday. now i have the problem that xdandroid doesnt start anymore... i only see the loading screen with the androids flying around all the time05:19
MegaMatzewhats the problem with it?05:19
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RogueAgent[tp2]did you try deleting data.img?05:23
MegaMatzethats the next thing i will try i think05:24
MegaMatzehad that as last exit05:25
MegaMatzesince i didnt want to loose all my data05:25
MegaMatzebut i guess there is no other choise05:25
RogueAgent[tp2]pffft its android05:25
RogueAgent[tp2]no such thing05:25
MegaMatze?05:25
RogueAgent[tp2]loss of data05:26
MegaMatzeno?05:26
RogueAgent[tp2]oh you'll lost it05:26
RogueAgent[tp2]but its not htat hard to recover05:26
MegaMatzeoh okay05:26
RogueAgent[tp2]contacts from gmail, applications from the market download list, email resyncs over once reset05:26
RogueAgent[tp2]I make customers hard reset android phones all day05:27
RogueAgent[tp2]takes like 10 minutes to resetup05:27
MegaMatzeoh okay05:27
MegaMatzeso just delete data.img05:27
MegaMatzeor anything else to delete?05:27
RogueAgent[tp2]data.img afaik05:27
MegaMatzeokay05:28
MegaMatzethen ill try that now05:28
MegaMatzethanks rogue05:28
MegaMatze;)05:28
RogueAgent[tp2]i take no responsibilities for statements made05:28
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scarfacehello07:14
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scarfacei have two questions , can i put all those apps from here : http://www.android.com/market/#app=com.ebay.mobile if i put xdanroid? secondly i want to ask if i put newer version of xandroid, how can i back up those apps, thank you07:14
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arrrghhhanyone using neopeek's ext2 builds?12:02
hamagci tried it when he first came out12:02
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arrrghhhhamagc: is there a way to set a rel_path?12:04
arrrghhhor do i have to have it at the root of mah sd?12:04
hamagccan't you put it in the startup?12:04
arrrghhheh i tried that dude :P12:04
arrrghhhdoesn't boot12:04
hamagclol obvious things first right12:05
arrrghhhthe error flew by so quick & it rebooted to winmo, i didn't even get to see what the actual error was.12:05
arrrghhhi guess i can try to put it at the root, but i'd like to avoid that if possible.12:05
hamagcand you have all the partitions setup right? you can try it at root and see if it gets it by.12:05
arrrghhhyea i guess for TS purposes i should.  damnit.12:06
arrrghhhhrm something about passing an init= option to the kernel.12:17
arrrghhhi have a feeling the install failed :P12:17
arrrghhhah i think i gots it.12:29
hamagc??12:38
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arrrghhhworkie now12:42
arrrghhhthe npkinstall failed, need to do that from the root of sd evidently... can't mess with it.  but the build itself i was able to run from a folder with the rel_path statement.12:43
stinebdfellow phone geeks13:19
emwemeep13:19
stinebdemwe: get the raph yet?13:19
emwenope.13:19
stinebdbah13:19
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emweat least till 1pm no postal-info was in the mailbox about missed delivery...13:20
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mokmok_helloo13:30
mokmok_having problems with my fuze running android13:31
mokmok_do I need to have it on a stock ROM?13:31
hamagcno13:33
arrrghhhROM shouldn't matter whatsoever13:33
arrrghhhdefine:problems13:33
mokmok_well, I got it to boot once13:34
mokmok_but something kept crashing13:34
arrrghhhk13:34
arrrghhhacore?13:34
mokmok_cna't remember the name of the process13:34
mokmok_android.something13:34
mokmok_or something.android13:34
arrrghhhyea13:34
mokmok_now I get "pdflush[19] exited with preempt count 113:35
mokmok_and a buunch of trace data before it13:35
arrrghhhnever see the bootanim?13:35
arrrghhhflying droids13:35
mokmok_I did see that the one time, but got the crashing process after it13:35
arrrghhhhmmmm13:36
arrrghhhyou said fuze...13:36
mokmok_yep13:36
arrrghhhi'm going to go with delete the data.img and try again.13:36
arrrghhhwhat build are you using?13:36
mokmok_I'm using the ProjectAndroid2.2BLAZN.092810 startup generator13:36
mokmok_and the latest build13:36
mokmok_I updated with the startup app13:36
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mokmok_ok13:37
mokmok_I'll give it a shot13:37
arrrghhhhrm13:37
arrrghhhstartup app works on fuze?13:37
mokmok_yep13:38
mokmok_at least, it starts booting the system13:38
arrrghhhit was originally designed for RHOD... not sure if other devices were included or not.13:38
arrrghhhi wouldn't use it13:38
arrrghhhas we don't support it.13:38
mokmok_it's got a selection for fuze13:38
arrrghhhyou CAN use it, but don't expect us to help you with it :D13:38
mokmok_that's OK13:38
mokmok_is there an alternative that's better?13:38
TheDeadCPUThere are other devices in the utility13:38
arrrghhhLIES13:39
arrrghhhmokmok_: it's not really necessary...13:39
arrrghhhyou can boot w/o it.  just click haret.exe13:39
mokmok_from what I understand it's just a startup.txt selector13:39
arrrghhheh selector... not so much.13:39
mokmok_with the option to update the system.ext213:39
arrrghhhblastor out of and recreator of... perhaps.13:40
arrrghhhand i think that's the one thing it can't update13:40
arrrghhhis the system image13:40
arrrghhhunless sov added that in 1.3.1?  not sure.13:40
* arrrghhh doesn't use it.13:40
* mokmok_ tries again.13:41
* arrrghhh wishes he had some bacon13:41
F22mokmok_: blazn overclocks by default from what i recall and that can cause crashing if your chip can't handle it. you might want to run it at stock speed and see how it goes.13:48
arrrghhhthere isn't a blazn build for RAPH...13:48
arrrghhhdid you just replace the system image mokmok_ ?13:48
F22i'd be curious to see his startup file13:55
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mokmok_sorry, was swapping LCDs on laptops14:06
mokmok_I'll post it to you14:07
mokmok_I did the "update" in the starter14:08
mokmok_the date's funny though14:08
mokmok_the app saya 10-31-10, but the date on the file itself is 8-27-1014:08
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mokmok_hmm, nope14:20
mokmok_took out the overclock and now I'm getting kernel panics14:20
mokmok_not syncing, fatal exception14:20
mokmok_d'oh, I opened the startup app again, it overwrote startup.txt14:26
* mokmok_ edits and restarts.14:26
emwestinebd: if i push liglights to /lib/froyo/hw it will write through to rootfs.img and is persistent across boots, right?14:30
stinebdemwe: right14:30
stinebddon't forget to remount,rw first14:30
emwestinebd: remount /lib ?14:31
stinebd/14:31
emweok, thx14:31
stinebdalso sync before yanking the battery14:31
stinebdor if you're one of those weird people that shut down normally, that's fine14:32
emwelooks like android is sending out backlight messages a lot of times when sensor mode is set. so it would trigger the kernel hooks several times with no change...14:32
emwenono, sync and reboot -f ;)14:32
stinebdwell i pushed a change to liblights yesterday to solve that14:32
stinebdis that what you're testing?14:32
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emwei wen't further actually. when switching to sensor mode, it's nevertheless pushing out brightness changes which we then ignore as auto-bl is on.14:33
emwebut i'd like to skip that, too.14:33
emwei suppose that is in relation to dimming the backlight after some time even when on auto-bl mode14:33
emwenot sure, though.14:33
stinebd?14:34
stinebdthis is what i pushed: http://gitorious.org/xdandroid-eclair/xdandroid-hardware_msm7k/commit/10dc608cbd6876eb7903fc9b8232ea4b9bed02e614:34
stinebdoh wait14:35
emwei know what you pushed :) but android still sends out brigthness changes with SENSOR_MODE=on after switching to it14:35
stinebdthat's wrong anyway hah14:35
emwewhich then trigger the backlight hook.14:35
stinebdi need to use an else-if there14:35
stinebdnot an else14:36
stinebdand then you should see the desired behavior14:36
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emweelse-if (what?) stinebd ?14:37
stinebd(pseudocode) g_brightnessMode == MANUAL14:37
stinebdi have to look up what the constant for manual is14:37
emweg_brightnessMode == BRIGHTNESS_MODE_USER14:37
emwethat in the else if?14:37
stinebdyeah14:37
mokmok_sweet14:38
emweprobably right, yes... but back to my assumption: isn't it regular behaviour to dimm backlight after some time even though one is in sensor-mode?14:38
mokmok_now it's booting14:38
stinebdemwe: we can't do that in sensor mode even if we wanted to. we lose control of backlight completely14:38
F22:)14:38
emwestinebd: isn't that how it is done in winmo, too?14:38
mokmok_and also the director of sales gave me a binary watch14:39
stinebd(except for backlight level 0 which is off)14:39
emwestinebd: hm. so yes, i wouldn't mind that it is not dimming on sensor mode, but i think i see that in wince... no? getting old and too lazy to look it up ;)14:40
stinebdwince likely uses software backlight control14:40
emwehmhm!14:40
stinebdsimilarly to how android  is supposed to14:40
emweok, then i will try the else if case locally.14:40
mokmok_sweet, I've tripled my phone's boot time! :p14:40
emwei even started a f**cking branch for that to not confuse repo again...14:41
stinebdeither that, or wince disables sensor after inactivity, then lowers backlight14:41
stinebd(and then reactivates sensor on activity)14:41
emwemight be but that sounds really like overhead for now.14:41
stinebdwell we all know microsoft's feelings on overhead14:42
emweif i am done with that, i will hopefully get back to debugging ril-loss after some hours...14:42
stinebdlet me know how it goes (ie if i should push it like that)14:42
emweyap. just about to test. and then the small config.xml change and it can be pushed to rootfs i guess.14:43
emwebtw, i just used the passion values for the overlay. it works. should we take just theirs or should we stick to our limited 1 and 1+1 arrays?14:43
mokmok_so, is the display supposed to turn off every 5 seconds?14:44
stinebdemwe: do those smaller arrays work too?14:44
mokmok_well this is frustrating14:45
stinebdi don't think it really matters anyway, i'll have to test the changes no matter what14:45
mokmok_I'm at the "lock" screen, butit doesn't want to let me unlock14:45
stinebdmight as well just use the passion entries14:45
emwestinebd: i kept only the "1" for autobllevels and 128+250 for the other.14:45
mokmok_oh! that's because the touch screen isn't calibrated14:45
stinebdemwe: ok, please send me whatever you're using for your final testing and if that works for me, that's what we'll use14:46
emwestinebd: ok. will do.14:46
mokmok_how do I get my touch screen calibrated?14:47
mokmok_that's funny, I figured out how much it's off14:47
JesusFreak316delete ts-cslibrate from your sdcard.14:48
F22yup14:49
JesusFreak316Next boot it will prompt to recalibrate.14:49
mokmok_ok14:49
mokmok_otherwise it seems to work OK14:49
mokmok_how do I do a safe reboot?14:50
mokmok_can I just pull the plug without damage?14:50
emwemokmok_: safest ist to shutdown ;)14:50
emwei use quick boot from market once in a while... dunno what it does internally14:51
mokmok_holding down the power button does nothing14:51
mokmok_I've never used android before, I don't know where the shutdown button is14:51
XirXesits the end key14:52
mokmok_ok14:53
mokmok_does the OS run in RAM, or entirely from the SD card?14:53
mokmok_I'm assuming RAM, otherwise this'd be really slow14:54
XirXesit mounts certain files on your sd card as partitions.14:55
XirXesif you take out your sd card it will crash immediatly14:55
mokmok_that's probably not so great for battery usage, eh?14:57
JesusFreak316No, it's not. :)14:58
JesusFreak316But afaik it's not the main issue for battery, radio is mostly.14:59
* mokmok_ deletes the calibration file and restarts.14:59
mokmok_I'm just glad to have it running :)14:59
mokmok_getting tired of winmo14:59
mokmok_sucks about the a2dp though15:00
F22mokmok_: power button shutoff is in a newer kernel. the kernel in blazn is a bit dated at this point.15:02
JesusFreak316Yeah, I've been wanting to try out one of Reefer's Blazin builds for a while but it's so outdated. Anyone heard if he's making a new one soon?15:04
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F22no idea15:08
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mokmok_aww man15:11
mokmok_camera doesn't work with the barcode app15:11
F22camera doesn't work yet15:12
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F22hmm...that's odd...i'm running latest everything, i was streaming pandora, but not otherwise doing anything with it, and suddenly the music cut off and my phone went to the flying saucer xdanroid screen that appears during boot.15:43
F22anybody have any ideas on what might have happened?15:45
JesusFreak316Random crashes happen.15:47
JesusFreak316Pretty much get used to it. If you want to try to get it fixed run a logcat in adb so the devs can see what caused the crash.15:47
F22ok, so it's a known problem. i would assume the devs already have their own logcats? or do the crashes happen only on certain models?15:48
JesusFreak316They just happen. They're just random for the most part. I get them while installing apps, refreshing facebook, playing a nes emulator; there's no rhyme or reason in my experience.15:49
JesusFreak316I have a RAPH 100 HTC Fuze btw.15:49
JesusFreak316*RAPH11015:50
F22I have a Rhod 210.15:50
JesusFreak316I haven't updated to the newest system yet though.15:50
JesusFreak316Still on the one from the 17th I think.15:50
JesusFreak316The sheer randomness of the crashes makes getting a logcat a pain; you just never know how long you have to wait before it does it.15:52
F22i see what you mean. my phone had been running for hours just fine, and then suddenly poof, restart.  does it always reboot back into android like that? or does it sometimes shutdown totally. This morning when I woke up I found mine down despite having a full charge (i left it plugged into the usb charger over night)15:58
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emwestinebd: overlay-patch: http://pastebin.com/f6JZnbBf (using passion values, what i used the last boots)  liblights-patch: http://pastebin.com/qvHeR58R (needs to be an if not else if, because we need to immedeately set the brightness level which comes by with the switch to user-mode, otherwise, display wont dimm to lowest value after disabling auto-bl when using power widget.)16:33
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stinebdthink we need the debugging in there?16:38
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stinebd<317:01
stinebdi love rebuilding everything for one little xml change17:01
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F22that's dedication!17:01
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stinebdwell technically i have to rebuilt it all twice because i also make a target-files package so that i can generate an ota update17:06
xdandroidNew kernel available (20101103_215747) at http://zimages.googlecode.com/files/htc-msm-linux-20101103_215747-package.tar.bz217:07
stinebdooh17:07
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stinebdaww rhod crap17:07
emwelol17:08
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stinebdemwe: beautiful17:28
emwestinebd: nice to hear ;)17:29
stinebdand you say this *works* on a topaz?17:29
emweyes. auto-bl and manual works in all situations now. *but* i am yet about to re-enable the gpio, vregs and mddi client deinit/init. but that will hopefully work. just about to test....17:31
stinebdin that case, i can't push it as it is17:32
stinebdwe need at least one broken device, to leech for donations17:32
stinebd(kidding, i already pushed it)17:33
emwelol17:33
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sle118hello everyone17:34
sle118I have a quick question...17:34
sle118Was there any keymap change in the latest releases?17:34
sle118for example, hitting the home button does not bring me the settings menu in the main windoe17:35
sle118window17:35
sle118power seems to be... well... power17:36
sle118Home=home17:36
sle118Back=back17:36
sle118center button=settings17:36
sle118ok17:36
sle118I think I get it now...17:36
hamagclol17:36
sle118yeah17:36
stinebdyes i did make an announcement to that effect before pushing it.17:36
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sle118sorry17:36
sle118I was out of the loop for a long time17:37
sle118my latest version was from september17:37
F22my latest version before yesterday was from march, so i can empathize. ;)17:37
sle118lol17:38
sle118good thing I have Titanium17:38
sle118but what a pain to reinstall everything17:38
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xdandroidNew rootfs available (20101103-806f8b4) at: http://is.gd/gGs4J -- Changes at: http://is.gd/gGs4H17:43
F22i've compiled and run 3 kernels in the last few days, plus there are the userland improvements.  heck i just replaced my kernel 5 minutes ago, and now there's a new rootfs. the updates keep coming. :P17:44
F22not that i'm complaining. :D17:44
F22i recall this time last year when cr2 was working on just getting the rhod panel to work, and most of the dev work seemed to be for diam/raph, not counting dzo's ongoing work for the vogue.17:47
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Curious_how can i get autobrightness setting to be written to sysfs?18:48
Curious_I can get the info from  here  : http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/Settings.System.html#SCREEN_BRIGHTNESS_MODE18:48
arrrghhhprobably not the right room to ask in :P18:49
phhI'd say it is18:49
phhwell i'm not sure to understand the question:pm18:49
arrrghhheh i figured he'd get a better response in #htc-linux.18:50
arrrghhhi guess wrong is a strong word ;)18:50
TheDeadCPUYou didn't say wrong.18:51
arrrghhhwho's counting.18:51
Curious_i mean i want to use sysfs to check whether autobrightness is on or off18:52
Curious_in android18:52
Curious_i found out that you check whether auto-br is on or off from http://developer.android.com/reference/android/provider/Settings.System.html#SCREEN_BRIGHTNESS_MODE18:52
Curious_so18:52
Curious_how can i write into sysfs?18:53
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emweCurious_: there needs to be kernel side support for that sysfs entry. you got leo?19:08
Curious_yes19:08
Curious_ok  kernel side support isn't hard but19:08
Curious_how about otherwise19:08
Curious_how can i make android update that sysfs19:08
emweit's not hard? didn't markinus say there is no kernel side support?!19:08
Curious_we can implement it19:09
Curious_but i don't know how to get info from android?19:09
emweCurious_: look at the recent xdandroid changes. we've done more or less the same there.19:09
Curious_do you have a link for xdandroid19:09
Curious_git;?19:09
emweCurious_: http://gitorious.org/xdandroid-eclair19:09
arrrghhhwe trade autobl for nand :P19:09
Curious_k19:09
emweCurious_: there's been changes to the overlay config.xml and liblights.c (hd2 liblights among others are here: http://www.gitorious.com/htc-hd2-android-libraries)19:10
Curious_k19:10
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Curious_emwe, does xdandroid liblights have an indicator for autobrightness mode?19:26
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Curious_gitorious is like dead, that's why i'm asking19:26
emweCurious_: liblights is triggered via android which in turn calls the "sysfs" entry (it's a dbgfs entry on our devices) which in fact is microp-klt code in our kernel.19:27
emweCurious_: it's only writing to, not reading from the hook.19:28
arrrghhhCurious_, you can try browsing the google cached page of it.19:28
arrrghhhhttp://tinyurl.com/24o9xc219:28
arrrghhhit does seem slow, but it loaded for me in ~30secs or so.19:28
emwedunno if there is an api liblights would have to extend to allow android for reading if auto-bl is enabled.19:28
Curious_hmm got it19:29
Curious_so if android doesn't give auto bl info to liblights19:29
Curious_i can't do what i want..19:29
emweit passes a struct which tells liblights to enable/disable and set brightness via sysfs19:31
Curious_http://source.android.com/porting/lights.html#androidLightsBuildingDriver19:31
emweso that kernel actually sets what is requested.19:31
Curious_yeah but no auto-bl info i guess19:31
Curious_but what is                     #define BRIGHTNESS_MODE_SENSOR      1                                  needed for19:31
Curious_then?19:32
emwethat is auto-bl19:32
emwewhen gito is back, lock at the recent lights.c changes in liblights19:33
Curious_yes, gonna check it19:33
Curious_BRIGHTNESS_MODE_SENSOR seemed to be usd in default liblights.h19:34
Curious_so it must support it right?19:34
Curious_used*19:34
Curious_emwe19:41
Curious_do you have latest lights.c19:41
Curious_i am impatient!19:42
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arrrghhhlol19:42
arrrghhhhey you almost waited 10 mins :P19:42
Curious_yeah that's me :D19:42
arrrghhhdid that google cached page version work any better?19:42
Curious_cache didn't gave source19:43
emweCurious_: if the android has the right overlay configuration then android will issue different "commands" via liblights.. inlcuding requesting sensor more or user mode. so yes, if the configuration overlay is correct, it is used and works.19:43
arrrghhhbah.19:43
Curious_10 mins for doing nothing but thinking possibilities based on lacky info is killing me..19:43
emweCurious_: so first, you need to make sure your android distribution will ever request auto-bl. (aka it allows setting auto-bl in userland via display settings)19:44
Curious_yes19:44
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Curious_but dunno whether requests from liblights19:44
Curious_where can i check it?19:45
emweif you enable auto-bl in android it *will* request it in liblights.19:45
emweand if you disable it again (manual mode/user mode) it *will* request BRIGHTNESS_MODE_USER again...19:45
Curious_so then I have what I need19:46
Curious_hmm ok19:46
Curious_do you know what android calls to change mode?19:46
Curious_in liblights.c?19:46
Curious_lights..19:46
emwestatic int19:46
emweset_light_backlight(struct light_device_t* dev,19:46
emwe        struct light_state_t const* state)19:46
Curious_so it passes BRIGHTNESS_MODE_SENSOR to set_light_backlight when auto bl is enabled19:47
emweyap.19:48
emwebut you should really see lights.c how the hooks are resolved.19:48
Curious_why they didn't put set_light_backlight in lights.h?19:48
Curious_yeah i am dying but still gito is dead19:48
Curious_don't you have lights.c of xdandroid?19:49
emwedependant on requested device, a different function pointer (implementing the same api) is called19:49
emwehttp://pastebin.com/i9ksSkfN19:49
Curious_where is the pointer of it defined19:51
Curious_is it defined in light_device_t?19:51
Curious_hw_device_t common;?19:51
emweit's set in the open_device hook which is called by android if i get that right19:52
emweerr... open_lights() i mean19:53
Curious_ok19:54
Curious_got it19:54
Curious_thnx for the patience19:54
emwenp19:55
emweso one last try getting the panel to wake....and then off to bed.19:55
Curious_one more thing19:55
Curious_android calls set_light_backlight once right?19:56
Curious_when auto bl is enabled.19:56
emweit actually calls it several times with differnet brightness values set in the struct. (but our recent change to lights.c makes sure it's only triggering the kernel hook once)19:57
Curious_why would it need to call it again and again if it is set to auto-bl19:57
emweso not permanently, but several calls in a row and then it's fine19:57
emwethe structs contain different backlight levels19:58
emweprobably for hw-dimming even on auto-bl ... no idea really.19:59
Curious_it is very stupid to call it again and again19:59
Curious_when auto-bl is on19:59
Curious_ah20:00
emwebe inspired by our lights.c and it will make sure it's not trashing the kernel with the calls ;)20:00
emwe(when on auto-bl)20:00
Curious_or does it get value from lsensor and pass it to lights.c to get it set?20:00
Curious_when auto-bl is on20:00
emwewhen lsensor is in effect it auto-adjusts display brightness without going over android20:03
XirXesare there any android devices with ctrl keys?20:03
Curious_so why would android call it more than once20:03
Curious_i don't get it20:03
Curious_stupid android20:03
emweCurious_: i can't tell you. look in PowerManagerService20:04
Curious_thnx20:04
Curious_gonna check lights.c deeply20:04
stinebdbecause normally android handles auto brightness in software20:04
stinebdwe trick it to use hardware auto brightness20:04
Curious_stinebd, how does it handle in software?20:05
Curious_polling?20:05
emwestinebd: in software by querying lsensor brightness report and faking a darker "image"?20:05
emwestinebd: and i wouldn't call it "we trick it". it's a config option for the better devices :P20:06
stinebdemwe: or by setting the backlight levels after reading that brightness, yes20:06
stinebdno, we absolutely do trick it20:06
emwethen i have misunderstood something very much :)20:06
stinebdin xdandroid, it's trying (and failing) to read lux values from the sensor (whose device node doesn't exist), and then trying to set brightness in liblights20:06
stinebdwe intercept the brightness calls while using the sensor and essentially NOOP it20:07
stinebd(that conditional in the backlight function)20:07
stinebdwe're just very lucky that the structure has the brightness mode20:07
Curious_so android polls lsensor and sets the bl value to it20:07
Curious_?20:07
stinebdyes20:08
Curious_yeap20:08
Curious_great20:08
Curious_so it is time to have the same for leo20:08
stinebdwe didn't do it that way for 2 reasons: 1. wistilt2 was able to set up the microp to do it in hardware, 2. we don't have the sensor readings calibrated to mean anything useful (and that would be painful to do)20:09
stinebddoing it in hardware greatly simplifies supporting all of our devices20:09
Curious_yeah20:10
Curious_stinebd20:10
Curious_why did you use dbgfs20:10
Curious_not sysfs?20:10
stinebdwistilt2 did it, because it was easier to implement that way (basically one line of code)20:10
Curious_how do you check it in the driver?20:11
emwestinebd: so but it's our fault to not provide correct values ;)20:11
stinebdemwe: right, but they would likely be different across devices, and would require someone spending time getting values for "real-world" ambient light levels20:11
Curious_yeah20:12
stinebdmeanwhile microp has values programmed into it and we don't have to bother20:12
Curious_it is really painful20:12
Curious_better not to mess with calibration20:12
emwestinebd: yap, agreed. but i still think our thingy is not tricking, allthough it officialy might look like it. i really like it how it is now. ;)20:12
stinebdyeah, it's a really nice solution20:12
emweonly need my freaking panel to wake...20:12
Curious_i didn't understand how do you read from dbgfs?20:12
Curious_and where?20:12
stinebdwe don't20:12
stinebdwe only write to dbgfs in userland20:13
Curious_so what does?20:13
Curious_yes20:13
Curious_then?20:13
emweCurious_: liblights does the write20:13
Curious_how microp gets reported?20:13
stinebdthat sets a variable in the kernel driver which tells microp to start autobl20:13
Curious_yes20:13
Curious_how can i read dbgfs from kernel?20:13
stinebdhave you seen the commit?20:14
Curious_lmc again20:14
emweit's a hook you define in your kernel module and whenever there is a write or a read to it the hook is called for you from the kernel itself20:14
emweso you have nothing to do then provide the implementation20:14
stinebdgitorious is down20:14
emwe(and define the sysfs/dbgfs hooks)20:14
Curious_it wasn'T completelty down20:15
Curious_at least i was able to see commits20:15
Curious_and still i am : )20:15
Curious_but no blob..20:15
stinebd503. it's down20:15
Curious_http://gitorious.org/xdandroid-eclair/eclair-rootfs/commit/806f8b4ffff111936b9ea661083d88cc76e7135920:15
stinebdhttp://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm/commit/e59fdaf70f2a02728a7fdc7aaa7c5757d4508d6e20:17
stinebdif you can get it to load20:17
Curious_what does klt means in micropklt :P20:18
Curious_50320:18
stinebdwhat does it matter what it means?20:19
emweKeyLighT20:19
Curious_my name is  curious ^20:19
Curious_^ ^20:19
stinebdkey led touchscreen :P20:20
emwedamnit. ;)20:20
Curious_i generally don't read documentation20:20
stinebdi totally guessed20:20
emwestinebd: lol20:20
emwebut makes even more sense20:21
Curious_good written code can be self explanatory so i wonder every detail20:21
Curious_reading docs need more time and20:21
Curious_you generally read what you don't need20:21
stinebdthat concept doesn't apply at the hardware level20:21
stinebd0s and 1s don't explain themselves20:21
Curious_yeah :D20:21
Curious_luckily i know about hw stuff a bit20:22
Curious_i am an EE guy20:22
emweEE?20:23
stinebdelectrical engineering20:23
Curious_electrical engineer20:23
stinebdthe guys not smart enough to write programs ;)20:24
Curious_lol20:24
Curious_nope the guys who are curious for the deepest20:24
Curious_at least me :)=20:24
Curious_i can write hi level20:25
Curious_low level20:25
Curious_but no mid :D20:25
Curious_it needs comprehensive knowledge20:25
Curious_especially when you are working with OS20:25
Curious_not a simple embedded device20:26
emweso gnight peeps20:27
emwepanel madness has to continue tomorrow. what a pita.20:27
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stinebdbyebye20:27
arrrghhhso stinebd can you explain the newest rootfs commit in laymans terms?  what changed?20:29
stinebdemwe made it smarter. it doesn't try to blindly set brightness anymore20:29
stinebdshouldn't be much of a difference for us, but apparently the old logic broke topaz20:29
arrrghhhoh20:30
Curious_thnx for everything20:33
Curious_time to bed20:33
Curious_nn20:33
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stinebdbyebye20:38
arrrghhhthat's some lag you got goin there stine :P20:39
stinebdpeople leave too fast20:39
arrrghhhdicks.20:40
arrrghhhso hey something blew up on my building of the image.20:40
arrrghhhwell, 5 things blew up but i was able to fix 'em all20:40
arrrghhhnot sure what the latest one was, gonna try & deicpher...20:40
arrrghhhwow, and that screen session is apparently full of jibberish...20:42
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arrrghhhever seen anything like this?20:44
arrrghhhhttp://yfrog.com/ev73612706p20:44
stinebdreset20:44
arrrghhhnever saw those before trying to build this image :P20:44
arrrghhhhrm20:46
arrrghhhjust did another make -j5, seems to be workin20:46
arrrghhhwe'll see what happens this time...20:46
arrrghhhwhat causes that screen corruption tho?20:46
stinebdnever seen it on a make before, but generally catting a binary file would do that20:47
arrrghhhhrm20:48
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arrrghhhwell now i'm perplexed20:53
arrrghhhso i didn't see any build errors...20:53
arrrghhhbut in out/target/product/msm/root there's folders... but they're all empty.20:53
arrrghhhi'm assuming i'll get a system.img file in the root/system folder?'20:53
stinebdno20:54
stinebdyou'll get a system.img in out/target/product/msm20:54
arrrghhhnope.20:54
stinebdseen the docs?20:54
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arrrghhhhttp://xdandroid.com/wiki/Building_and_Packaging20:54
arrrghhhthat's where i am20:54
stinebdyeah20:54
arrrghhh# of cpus available plus one... so i did make -j520:55
stinebdand what's the last word out of make?20:55
stinebdor perhaps words20:55
arrrghhhfawk20:56
arrrghhhi closed the screen session evidently.20:56
arrrghhhlet's try that again...20:56
arrrghhhoh do i need to be root to make?20:57
stinebdno20:57
stinebdbut pay heed to the big red box20:57
stinebdor pink i guess20:57
arrrghhh...20:57
arrrghhhah there's the error20:58
arrrghhhno rule to make target `vendor/xdandroid/msm/proprietary/libgps.so'20:58
stinebdah so you messed up20:58
stinebdthat comes from the dream proprietary image20:59
arrrghhhsomething i forgot to drop in?20:59
stinebdso either you didn't download it and place it in aosp root or you didn't unzip-files20:59
arrrghhhi downloaded those zips21:00
arrrghhhand ran the ./unzip-files.sh script...21:00
arrrghhhmaybe something went wrong wif 'em.21:00
stinebdyeah you did something wrong for sure21:00
arrrghhhlol21:00
Reefermattnessarrrghhh, did you do that script with -g at the end or are we past that now stinebd ?  :)21:01
arrrghhhdefinitely had a -g21:01
arrrghhhnot past that yet :P21:01
stinebdXDAndroid runs on hardware similar to the HTC G1 and Android Dev Phone. As a result, XDAndroid takes advantage of the similarities by using certain proprietary libraries as provided by the reference system for the Dev Phone. Before building the system, download the Dev Phone system image, signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-ota-14721.zip, from HTC Developer Center. Place the zip file in the root of your XDAndroid source tree and do not extract it.21:01
arrrghhhdid that21:02
arrrghhhi'll do it again tho21:02
arrrghhhdon't need to copy&paste :P21:02
stinebdcan't help it if you don't read/understand the docs :P21:02
arrrghhhwell21:02
arrrghhhread i did21:02
arrrghhhunderstand... not quite over my head yet.21:02
arrrghhhbut getting there :P21:02
stinebdbtw in case you're wondering, i'd add a switch to download that automatically too but htc doesn't let you21:03
arrrghhhhrm21:03
Reefermattnessarrrghhh, whats the error message?21:04
arrrghhhthat no rule to make target one21:04
stinebdhe didn't put the dream proprietary image in the right spot21:05
arrrghhhmake: *** No rule to make target `vendor/xdandroid/msm/proprietary/libgps.so', needed by `out/target/product/msm/obj/lib/libgps.so'.  Stop.21:05
arrrghhhdoin it again21:05
arrrghhhNOT extracted right?21:05
stinebdnot extracted21:05
Reefermattnessno :)21:05
stinebdaosp root21:05
arrrghhhcuz i swear i did that too :P21:05
arrrghhhok, doin the zip thing again... i wonder if i did just mv it to the wrong place.21:05
arrrghhhin ~/xdandroid basically...?21:06
stinebdthe same directory you repo sync'd in21:06
arrrghhhhrm21:06
stinebdand buildspec.mk is in, etc etc21:06
arrrghhhi guess i'll copy it to ~21:06
stinebduh21:07
arrrghhhbuildspec.mk is in ~/xdandroid...21:07
arrrghhh/home/<user>/21:07
wladstonarrrghhh: trying to build ? hehe, to build is easy, prepare your ass if you want to edit :)21:07
stinebdi know what ~ is21:07
stinebdi've been unixing since you were in diapers21:07
arrrghhhi doubt you're that old.21:07
stinebdi was a computer scientist in a previous life21:07
arrrghhhlol21:07
wladstonlol21:08
arrrghhhwell i'm sorry i evidently was not ;)21:08
wladstonI had no time to touch android source today :( will just apply the new paches and put it on the phone21:08
wladstonthen race to bed :)21:09
arrrghhhstinebd, i did my best to follow your directions to the T.  re-reading them again, i don't see where i messed up TBH...21:10
arrrghhhi put it in the 'recommended' location to hopefully make it easier to figure out what i did screw up :P21:10
stinebdno worries, it's confusing to everyone at first21:10
stinebdimagine me doing all that without any documentation21:11
arrrghhhyea, no thanks.21:11
arrrghhhthis is why i let you do it first.21:11
stinebdi purposely wrote those procedures in paragraph form instead of list form to hopefully help explain what's going on for people who did screw up21:11
arrrghhhlmao ok i'll got thru it again.21:12
stinebdbasically all you have to do is make sure the dream image is in aosp root and then go into device/xdandroid/msm and run unzip-files.sh again21:14
stinebdthen go back to aosp root and make21:14
arrrghhhalrighty.21:14
arrrghhhi promise i did do that... i'm wondering if i'm not thinking aosp root is what i think it is...21:15
arrrghhhyou said where i did the repo sync from.21:15
stinebdsame place you keep buildspec.mk at21:15
arrrghhhlemme see if i can verify i did that where i thinks i did that.21:15
arrrghhhyea, that's definitely at ~/xdandroid21:15
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wladstonnew images were added to roofs wonder what that is for21:20
arrrghhhtopaz21:20
arrrghhhwladston, have you read the logs?  :P21:21
wladstonoh, kay21:21
wladstonnope21:21
wladstonI've had no time to do anything droid today21:21
wladston:(21:21
wladstonarrrghhh: I know that you are having a hard time to make a build21:21
wladston:)21:21
wladstonwish I could help you, but I'm already a bit late for bed21:21
wladstonheading for bed ... night guys!21:23
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arrrghhhok stinebd, i have the hw3d.zip, the gapps-hdpi.zip and the dream_devphone.zip all in ~/xdandroid.21:29
arrrghhhi cd to device/xdandroid/msm and run the scrip21:30
arrrghhht21:30
F22hmm...there doesn't appear to be a > in the keymap for the rhodium 210, but there is one for the 400.21:30
arrrghhhand it does its thing21:30
arrrghhhdo i need to +x the buildspec file or something?21:30
arrrghhhF22, yea i think someone just shoehorned it in there for the 40021:30
arrrghhhsame with |21:30
arrrghhhis there a | on the 210 keymap?21:31
F22someone did shoehorn the | in.21:31
F22it's alt-y21:31
arrrghhhhaha21:31
arrrghhhstinebd, i get a bunch of junk in the terminal when that command finishes.  i do see some english at the bottom, removing zipfile comments...21:32
XirXesF22: while your playin around in the 210 keymap you should put tab in there21:34
arrrghhhtab's not in there...?21:34
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XirXesif you can. idk the code for it but i bet its something along the line of 0xXX21:35
XirXesis tab in other keymaps?21:35
stinebdarrrghhh: yeah that's normal. it's removing zipfile comments from the google apps (which are made by signapk)21:35
XirXesmy votes on ALT-Q21:35
stinebdand no need to chmod +x buildspec.mk, it's not a script21:35
F22i could swear i stumbled on tab while looking for the >. i'll take another look.21:36
arrrghhhtab works for me21:38
arrrghhhXirXes, if you mean to move between input boxes, use arrow keys.21:38
XirXesi want it for auto complete in terminal21:38
arrrghhhoh... that works?21:38
arrrghhhi thought it was the search button21:38
arrrghhhthat we don't have21:39
XirXesidk. i have a search button now. if thatl do it id be happy with that21:39
XirXesarrrghhh: what key does tab for you?21:40
F22alt-, is tab21:40
arrrghhhreally?21:41
arrrghhhi must be drunk.21:41
arrrghhhi'm thinking of my raph...21:41
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XirXesso its 0x9 then?21:42
F22:D21:42
F22yup, that's what google android maps tab to.21:42
F22http://source.android.com/porting/keymaps_keyboard_input.html21:42
F22on a native android phone it looks like it's fn-space21:44
F22yup, asci hex for tab is 921:50
F22confirmed21:50
F22ascii21:50
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F22ok i'm seriously tempted to move tab from alt-, to alt-space, and then use alt-, for < and alt-. for > as on a pc keyboard.21:53
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arrrghhhalright21:57
arrrghhhhere goes another build attempt.21:57
arrrghhhand same failure.21:57
F22is this the bt stuff you're working on?21:58
arrrghhhno.21:58
* arrrghhh is not a dev.21:58
F22oh doh, confused you with NeoMatrix21:59
F22sorry21:59
arrrghhhlol np21:59
arrrghhhnot sure how you managed to do that :P21:59
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F22probably because acl wanted to promote you from chief tester to a dev. ;)21:59
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arrrghhhstinebd, soooooooo i definitely do not have a libgps.so in vendor/xdandroid/msm/proprietary ...22:00
arrrghhhyea well, i'm just tryin to get my feet wet here haha22:01
stinebdunzip -l ~/xdandroid/signed-dream_devphone_userdebug-ota-14721.zip system/lib/libgps.so :P22:01
arrrghhhlol ok22:02
arrrghhhi don't copy it to vendor/xdandroid/msm/proprietary?22:03
stinebdis the zip file there, and is libgps.so in it?22:04
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stinebd(unzip -l will tell you)22:05
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arrrghhhzip is there22:06
arrrghhhbut no libgps.so....22:06
stinebd...22:06
arrrghhhboot.img, recovery.img, system.img...22:06
arrrghhhoh crap22:06
stinebdwut22:06
arrrghhhi dled the img22:06
arrrghhhnot the ota22:06
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arrrghhhacp: unable to remove 'out/target/product/msm/system/bin/akmd': No such file or directory  eh?22:19
arrrghhhstinebd, this one may not be user-error.  but the rest of 'em have, so it is probably something i did wrong... blargh.22:22
stinebd?22:28
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stinebd?22:40
arrrghhhso i'm not sure what that error is.22:42
arrrghhhi'm guessing you don't either?22:42
stinebdno idea22:45
arrrghhhdamnit.22:46
arrrghhhi had that & some warnings...22:46
arrrghhhi figured that was the error it stopped on tho.22:46
arrrghhhthe next line is error 1 with the same directory22:47
* stinebd shrugs22:49
stinebdmake clean ; make?22:49
arrrghhhgoin for another shot.22:53
arrrghhhseems to be going.22:59
arrrghhhi'm assuming this is going to take some time :P22:59
stinebdabout 3 months23:01
stinebdit should be done before gingerbread is out23:01
arrrghhhnice.23:02
arrrghhhi didn't do the -j either23:02
arrrghhhjust make clean make23:02
stinebdcancel it and start over23:02
arrrghhhwell sudo make clean make23:02
arrrghhhreally?:23:02
stinebdyeah23:02
arrrghhhOo23:02
stinebdwait sudo?23:02
arrrghhhwell23:02
arrrghhhsudo make clean23:02
stinebdyou didn't do make as root at some point did you?23:02
arrrghhhmake23:02
arrrghhhuhm... maybe.  don't remember specifically, i tried a lot of things.  probably.23:03
stinebdwell anyway, definitely re-run it with the jobserver23:03
stinebdit'll take hours without it23:03
arrrghhh-j5?23:03
arrrghhhcores+1 right?23:03
stinebdsure23:03
arrrghhhlol23:03
arrrghhhyour confidence is reassuring.23:04
stinebdwell it can be whatever you want it to be23:04
stinebdcores+1 is just a good number23:04
arrrghhhoh23:04
arrrghhhjobserver, never heard of it.23:04
arrrghhhi've never built anything this gargantuan tho23:04
arrrghhhoh no23:05
arrrghhhman23:05
arrrghhhi keep reattaching this screen session.  i can't seem to detach it.23:05
arrrghhhi've never had a screen session that i couldn't detach...23:07
arrrghhheven exiting the ssh session doesn't seem to do it... wtf.23:07
arrrghhhah well, it's building on another session.23:07
stinebdscreen -d?23:07
arrrghhhi ususally do ctrl-a, then d23:08
arrrghhhbut that did work... hrm.23:08
stinebdyou can log into a new terminal and screen -d23:08
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arrrghhhit appears to have... finished!23:38
arrrghhhyup.  produced a 118mb system.img file23:39
arrrghhhthanks for the help stinebd23:55
arrrghhhcan't believe i downloaded the wrong file...  d'oh.23:56

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