Thursday, 2010-07-08

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CazH	Venim: If you change board-htcraphael-navi.wake=0 to 1 in your startup.txt all hardbuttons will wake you phone from sleep :)	02:59
Nevro	Hi. I have installed the latest xdandroid on my rhodium, but my Fn key don't work. I have norwegian keyboard layout, so where your Fn key is I have a ctrl key, and neither that nor my normal Fn key works as Fn. Is there a way to change keyboard layout on my HW keyboard atm?	03:00
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Iosif[Blac]	hey	03:55
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Onkelferno	Hi there	03:56
Iosif[Blac]	If i copy the files and follow this tutorial I am on the right track ? http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Installation_Guide	03:56
Iosif[Blac]	hi mate ?	03:56
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Iosif[Blac]	wrong channel lol	03:56
Onkelferno	i've got a question concerning my android config, not sure if i'm right here.	03:57
bob_	anyone kno	03:57
bob_	*anyone know where a full table of all the buildspec.mk flags are located?	03:57
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Onkelferno	anyways, i've installed xdadnroid 2.2 on my htc diamond, runs neat, but won't let me chosse ringtones. there	03:59
Onkelferno	silent is the only option, i've tried xdadevelopers, but nothing of use there	03:59
Onkelferno	all the workarounds won't work for me :(	04:00
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Onkelferno	well, i'll come back later ;) bya	04:05
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paalsteek	Iosif[Blac]: should be the right installation guide	04:28
Iosif[Blac]	ok, thanks, though I'll wait for a friend to come online before i try	04:35
Nevro	Have anyone found a way to change the keyboard layout on HTC Touch Pro 2? The keyboard layout that's on now don't have the Fn key, which really is a downer:P	04:46
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NeoFlux	trav: hey mate, as the other person said on the other channel, it's developers only so your questions are better asked here	05:59
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trav	ok sorry i didnt kno about this channal	06:00
trav	and im usualy there just watching and stuff and i test all of darkstones stuff and all the others	06:00
NeoFlux	trav: This channel is where the main WinMo CE to Android project happens :)	06:01
trav	ohh?	06:01
NeoFlux	trav: Specifically, this channel is for people who want Android on their WinMo based devices	06:01
trav	ok lol apparently not alot of people want android haha	06:02
NeoFlux	trav: That's not true	06:02
trav	im jk but ud think thered be more people here	06:02
NeoFlux	For all of the current Windows Mobile phones, Android will be the only way to go in the future	06:03
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NeoFlux	trav: fair enough	06:03
trav	=P	06:03
CazH	trav: the channel didn't exsist like a week ago ;)	06:08
trav	awwwww cute its a baby channal xD	06:09
CazH	hehe yeah	06:09
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CazH	We used #htc-linux to this before but the channel was kinda flood with XDAndroid stuff, and it's really a kernel channel hence the devs created this lille baby :P	06:10
Iosif[Blac]	any viable 2.2 release for the blackstone ?	06:14
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: check the forums?	06:26
Iosif[Blac]	nothing	06:29
Iosif[Blac]	only 2.1	06:29
Iosif[Blac]	I was thinking that maybe you guys didn't post it yet..	06:30
CazH	what do you think the Iosif[Blac]? Now why would we hold back? :)	06:30
Iosif[Blac]	maybe you didn't have time	06:31
Iosif[Blac]	no insulting here	06:31
CazH	Highly unlikly, if it is build and works then it's on the forums, that almost allways true. But I know nothing of the blackstone, I know a little about diamond and raphael.	06:32
Iosif[Blac]	So basically I didn't say that you are holding back...just thought that maybe you didn't had the chance to publish it on the thread for the public	06:32
Iosif[Blac]	soryy man	06:32
Iosif[Blac]	peace	06:32
CazH	Yeah i get it, it's okay. :)	06:32
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_dave_	ola!	06:33
CazH	Most af few devs still active don't even use the phones any more, so what they do they only do for the community :) Hence no point in holding back what so ever :)	06:33
_dave_	joe cuanta peña	06:33
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: no trying to scare you off here just explaining it ;)	06:34
_dave_	sorry	06:35
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Iosif[Blac]	thanks man, i understand	06:37
CazH	good	06:37
Iosif[Blac]	tell me something please	06:37
Iosif[Blac]	let say I installed XDAndroid on my phone	06:37
Iosif[Blac]	and now i change my mind	06:38
Iosif[Blac]	if I delete all the files from the storage card	06:38
CazH	you delete the files on you sd card and it's like it never happend	06:38
Iosif[Blac]	is enogh for android to dissapear ?	06:38
CazH	yes	06:38
Iosif[Blac]	cool then	06:38
CazH	Android only puts files on the sd card, any other chance should disappre when power down :)	06:38
Iosif[Blac]	so basically I unzip the contents of this file XDANDROID.21.6.10.AOSP.7z on my storage card	06:40
CazH	Yes	06:40
Iosif[Blac]	not to a specific folder right ?	06:40
Iosif[Blac]	is gonna be a mess there :))	06:41
Nevro	I just put it in the root folder, and it's quite messy, yeah. But can't wait untill the devs are "done" with it and releases a version which can totaly take over for Windows Mobile	06:42
Iosif[Blac]	do I need to change anything on the STARTUP folder ?	06:44
Iosif[Blac]	STARTUP CONFIG	06:44
CazH	you need to find a startup.txt that matches you phone	06:44
CazH	in the startup config folder you'll find serveal folders named after different phones	06:45
Iosif[Blac]	yes	06:45
CazH	find the folder that machtes you phone and copy the startup.txt thats in side that folder to the root of you sd	06:45
Iosif[Blac]	done	06:46
CazH	then click on haret.exe on you phone and it should boot	06:47
Iosif[Blac]	for the headphones to be functional do i need to add a line in that file ?	06:47
CazH	I'm not sure, I think some phones does but I do not know which	06:47
Iosif[Blac]	this ?	06:48
Iosif[Blac]	Is the Headphone Socket working? This is being worked on, with mixed results, so the situation can change very often. Initially, you should just try and see, but if you have no success, try to activate it with a special command: For USB headset, add the following line to startup.txt... snd.force_headset=1 For 3.5mm headset, add the following line to startup.txt... snd.force_headset=2	06:48
CazH	maybe I don't know ask in you forum maybe?	06:48
Iosif[Blac]	ok	06:48
Iosif[Blac]	I'll make a test in about ten minutes :)	06:49
Iosif[Blac]	oh	06:49
Iosif[Blac]	can be use asa phone ? receive and make calls ? send/receive sms ?	06:50
CazH	yes	06:50
CazH	and data and pretty much everything except bluetooth and camera	06:50
CazH	and the battery is used real fast	06:50
Iosif[Blac]	ok...	06:50
Iosif[Blac]	I don't use data	06:51
Iosif[Blac]	to expensive in my country	06:51
Iosif[Blac]	wi-fi yes	06:51
Nevro	Hmmm... CazH Might the wrong startup.txt file make my hardware keyboard not have a Fn key? I didn't do that part, maybe I'll have to copy that to the root and try again then	06:51
CazH	Nevro: yes	06:52
Nevro	ok, then I'll have to do that when I get home. But nice going with porting Android to all of you developers. Wish I could contribute to the code, but afraid thats way out of my league right now, anyways thanks a bunch!	06:54
Iosif[Blac]	pin code is supported or should i disable it ?	06:57
Nevro	not supported	06:59
CazH	Nevro Iosif[Blac] I enter my pin with every boot	07:04
CazH	And that works for me	07:04
Nevro	do you? didn't work for me. Have to try it again then	07:04
CazH	Nevro: which phone?	07:04
Nevro	touch pro 2	07:04
CazH	Hmm okay	07:04
CazH	The TP2 isn't working as well as the raphael and diamond afaik	07:05
CazH	Might be why it doesn't work for you :)	07:05
Nevro	ok, might be that then. But I'll give it a try when I'm home and can charge it:P	07:05
Iosif[Blac]	ok, then I will leave it enable, if it causes trouble, I'll report it back :)	07:06
Nevro	Btw. Is there a way to set the alarm clock to not only vibrate, but play sound?	07:06
CazH	Does sound work on the tp2?	07:06
Nevro	At least in call	07:07
CazH	yeah but the external speaker?	07:07
Nevro	don't know about the speaker at the back	07:07
Iosif[Blac]	booting now	07:07
Iosif[Blac]	looks nice	07:07
CazH	Try playing a mp3 or something?	07:07
Nevro	ok	07:07
CazH	if nothing comes out then it don't work :)	07:07
Nevro	nope, completely dead:(	07:08
CazH	Yeah I thought so. Sorry	07:08
Nevro	Explaines why nothing plays when I get an sms or a phone call to. I don't have it on silent, but I'm used to always have my phone on silent:P	07:08
CazH	Hehe	07:09
Iosif[Blac]	hm, the calibrating squares do not appear	07:09
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: thye only come up once	07:09
Iosif[Blac]	I am booting for the first time	07:09
CazH	then it saves you config on the sdcard as a file calld ts-calibration	07:09
Iosif[Blac]	and i don't see it	07:09
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: how far are you boot?	07:09
Nevro	Hope it will be implemented soon then, would be nice if I didn't have to exit android to wake up in the morning	07:10
Nevro	CazH and Iosif[Blac], I didn't get the calibration after booting android for the first time yesterday either	07:10
CazH	Nevro: I personally experince random crashes which reboots me in to wm so wouldn't trust android for a alarm :)	07:10
Nevro	Ooooh... Might wait a while before I use android for alarm clock then. Just hope I remember to reboot by device each night, so I get to work on time:PO	07:11
CazH	Then you most likely have a build which includes a ts-calibration file. If you touchscreen is a bit off delete that file and you will get the calibration :)	07:11
CazH	By the way you can test the ts in dev tools > pointer location	07:12
Iosif[Blac]	now the screen is black	07:13
Iosif[Blac]	but is on	07:13
Iosif[Blac]	don't know how to say it	07:13
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: did it boot or did it become black while booting?	07:13
Nevro	hmmm... my pointer is a bit off, but nice for not been callibrated at all on my device	07:14
CazH	Nevro: if you want it to be right just delete the ts-calibration file on you sdcard when in winmo and it should give you those 5 boxes to calibrat in the next boot :)	07:14
Nevro	How does android run btw? Is WM6.5 still running in the background, or is WM off and only running android now? Was a bit confused about that part	07:14
Nevro	will do CazH;)	07:15
CazH	When you run haret it shutdown wm, (very hard nothing saves or anything) and boots the linux kernel	07:15
CazH	so you are running a pure linux ;)	07:15
Nevro	ok, nice... Wondered since it's using quite a lot of battery	07:16
CazH	Yeah battery sucks	07:16
CazH	But it's a really hard thing to get right because it's made up of 1000 different little tweaks	07:16
Nevro	Guessing features is the priority untill they get them working then, and so focusing on battery and tweaking	07:16
CazH	I know stinebd has done some work with the wifi which means the wifi saves quite some power when running compared to earlier	07:17
Iosif[Blac]	gone black during booting, after the so called calibration	07:17
CazH	Right now focus is on getting 2.2 to the state of 2.1 and then we'll see what the devs feel like :)	07:17
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: and nothing you press can get it up?	07:17
Nevro	ok, hope their focusing on my back speaker afterwards:P	07:17
Iosif[Blac]	lol, nope	07:17
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: try pressing the power button one or 2 times perhaps, and then move you finger all over the screen	07:18
CazH	if that doesn't work do a soft reset :)	07:18
Nevro	CazH: are you a dev, or just helping here?	07:18
CazH	Nevro: just helping	07:18
CazH	I mess around a bit with the android build scripts but thats about it :)	07:18
Nevro	ok;) Guess 'll have to take a look at the codebase, even though I have never done anything remoetly close to making an OS. More of a applied mathematics guy, so my guess is I'll understand exactly zero:P	07:20
CazH	Nevro: can you do C/C++?	07:20
Nevro	jepp, my language of choice for larger systems is C++	07:20
CazH	much of android is in c++	07:20
CazH	the kernel is pure c if I remeber corretly	07:21
CazH	Do you know how to use git?	07:21
Nevro	Ok, that means I'll know what the code does, but not why it does it. Atleast at the kernel stage:P	07:21
Nevro	yes	07:21
Iosif[Blac]	Soft reset, delete tscalibration, now i boot wm again	07:21
CazH	Nevro: this is the git repo for our kernel http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/	07:22
Nevro	k, thanks. 'll have a look then;)	07:22
CazH	and a few other things :)	07:22
CazH	The sound problem I think is in the kernel :)	07:22
Nevro	damn, thinking I can't fix that then:P	07:23
CazH	If you need help phh is the main kernel guy, but I think he is pretty busy for the time being with real life stuff	07:23
Nevro	It linux-msm that's our kernel?	07:23
CazH	Nevro: a lot of the fixes is real simple some one just need to sit down and really look hard at it :)	07:23
CazH	ues	07:23
CazH	the htc-msm-2.6.27 branch is the working one afair	07:24
Nevro	CazH: as with most programming. Just stare at it long enough, and suddenly the solution manifests itselv	07:24
CazH	Hehe yeah	07:24
CazH	stinebd might be able to help you too but I think he does mostly android stuff not so much the kernel.	07:26
CazH	Nevro: you're from norway?	07:26
Iosif[Blac]	hm	07:28
Iosif[Blac]	same thing	07:28
Iosif[Blac]	but	07:28
Iosif[Blac]	after the callibration	07:28
Iosif[Blac]	when the display go dark	07:28
Iosif[Blac]	I saw two orange points	07:29
Iosif[Blac]	one in the left upper corner	07:29
Iosif[Blac]	and one in the right lower corner	07:29
Iosif[Blac]	very small	07:29
Iosif[Blac]	now they dissappeared	07:29
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: I recall hearing this problem before	07:29
CazH	Which means you not the first, try searching to forums	07:29
CazH	I cannot remeber what the problem is or if it where fixed :)	07:30
Nevro	CazH: yes, I'm from norway. How did you know?	07:30
CazH	I think the other guy might have decribed the 2 dots as red :)	07:30
CazH	Nevro: /whois ;)	07:30
Nevro	aaah:P	07:30
Nevro	man, the repo is huge:P	07:31
CazH	Just a hint stinebd is from the us so different timezone, phh is from france so timezone wise he i maybe easier to get a hold of :)	07:31
CazH	Nevro: lots of good stuff :P I know nothing of the kernel. So don't expect any help from me :)	07:31
Nevro	yeah. But think I'll just let them do as they like. Guessing they have quite a lot on their TODO list	07:32
CazH	Okay do what you feel like :) Just saying not much is happing but some fresh blood might help them get a little more interested ;)	07:34
Nevro	damn it's huge. Now I'll just have to find the correct file under sound:P	07:34
CazH	Hehe yeah	07:34
Nevro	yeah, that might be. Maybe I'll talk to one of them when they get here	07:34
Nevro	the nice thing about stinebd is that he's at work when I'm at home:P Might be on at work	07:35
Nevro	And people won't look so angry at me if I'm home instead of at work:P	07:35
CazH	hehe	07:37
Nevro	put the code is quite clean, so maybe I can do some help. Nice code always helps	07:37
CazH	It does :)	07:38
Nevro	accept for a few goto's, man I hate goto's:P	07:38
CazH	It all started with the normal linux kernel which is now almost 20 years old so it been polished quite a bit over the time	07:39
Iosif[Blac]	nothing :(	07:39
Nevro	Will have to look more on the code when I get home	07:40
Nevro	work to do	07:40
Iosif[Blac]	should I follow this steps ? http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Installation_Guide	07:40
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: that should work	07:41
CazH	but what you've done should be pretty much what it says allready?	07:41
Iosif[Blac]	there says to put all in andboot folder...	07:42
CazH	oh, well that just what ever you perfere, both should work just as well	07:42
Iosif[Blac]	ok, i'll try that too	07:43
CazH	andboot is not importent, just if you wan't it in a folder it has to be called andboot	07:43
Nevro	And the guy I'm waiting for is still in a meeting, so I have a few more minuts to mess around:P	07:45
Nevro	CazH: can one put all the files in a andboot folder, so not everything is in the root:o	07:45
Nevro	Would clean up a lot:P	07:46
CazH	I should think so	07:46
Nevro	Good thing I have to do a few thing from WM when I get home. Think 'll just remove the whole thing and install it again	07:46
CazH	the haret.exe zImage modules-XXXX startup.txt system.img and rootfs.img should be able to work fine in andboot	07:46
Nevro	ncie	07:47
Nevro	quite hard to traverse my file system with all those files and folders:P	07:47
CazH	I think android will still create a few folders in the sd card by it self which would be hard to change. and the fsck files will still apper in the root of the sdcard	07:47
Nevro	yeah, but that would mostly be the root filesystem as one have in Linux on pc, wouldn't it?	07:48
CazH	Sorry what, didn't quite understand you question :P	07:49
Nevro	would clean up anyway by moving things to andboot	07:50
Nevro	Do android have python support? It's so great for small cleanup scripts and such	07:51
CazH	Nevro: I don't know, you'll have to test that youself but I haven't heard about anyone using any python on android	07:51
CazH	But still I'm not that smart :P	07:51
Nevro	yey, can run it through Android Scripting Environment. In alpha stage though, but since xdandroid is a bit unstable to, I don't see the problem:D	07:53
CazH	Hehe yeah.	07:54
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leobaillard	let's try this here : does someone have an angstrom rootfs image for diamond/raphael ?	07:56
Nevro	can't wait to try it out. Where C++ is my serious large scale language, python is my "Now I just wan't to have fun an make something small and cool" language	07:56
CazH	Hehe wish I could code :P	07:57
Iosif[Blac]	booting again	07:57
Nevro	jsut start learning, never to late;)	07:57
Iosif[Blac]	and dowloading the cab version too	07:57
leobaillard	Nevro: do you have python working on xdandroid ?	07:57
Nevro	not right now, but going to try ASE when I get home	07:57
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Nevro	so I might give you another language in 3-4 hours	07:57
Iosif[Blac]	can't open /calibration_points : No such file or directory	07:57
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: what mobile do you have?	07:58
Iosif[Blac]	ANDRODI init: cannot find modem setup	07:58
Iosif[Blac]	Blackstone	07:58
Iosif[Blac]	brb	07:58
leobaillard	Nevro: I'm currently working on a project to make a webserver working on it	07:58
leobaillard	the goal is to provide an auto-hosting solution	07:59
leobaillard	self-hosting*	07:59
Nevro	a webserver on android?	07:59
Nevro	what language(s) are you using?	07:59
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: sounds strange	07:59
leobaillard	well, not sure yet, maybe only angstrom cause of the android memory usage but we'll see :)	07:59
leobaillard	Nevro: C compiled binary into the userland and java for a frontend in android maybe	08:00
Nevro	ok, but you are thinking of maybe using python since you asked?	08:00
leobaillard	well, not sure about the eficiency since it's interpreted, but why not :)	08:01
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: yeah, weird. Seems like xdandroid on blackstone should work quite well	08:01
CazH	leobaillard: there is a ubuntu for a handfull of phones. Maybe that was a better bet then angstrom, not sure how many using angstrom on htc phones, where as the rhobuntu dist can make calls and send and recive text :)	08:01
Nevro	leobaillard: Yeah, and ASE is in Alpha stage, so probably to unstable as it is now	08:02
leobaillard	CazH: yeah, phh told me about it, but I haven't tried it on my diamond	08:02
leobaillard	CazH: do you know if there's images out there ?	08:02
CazH	leobaillard: I tried it on my diamond, seemed to work okay, didn't do much besides wifi	08:02
Nevro	but if one thinks of the Linux/Windows versions of python, I wouldn't think it would be to slow, at least not for a front end.	08:03
CazH	leobaillard: there is	08:03
CazH	on the xda forums	08:03
leobaillard	okay, I'll check this out	08:03
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CazH	just search for rhobuntu and the topic should come up	08:03
CazH	but rhobuntu has the ubuntu arm repo's so there is most likly allready a hand full of webservers ;) If you just wan't a webserver :)	08:04
Nevro	CazH: Was rhobuntu fast? Thinking that basing something on ubuntu for handheld devices would be quite massive. Or is it just a Linux kernel which uses ubuntu packages?	08:06
CazH	It's a pretty stripped down ubuntu as far as I understand(didn't look much in to it I have to admit) but it wasn't all that fast.	08:07
CazH	But then again it's very young	08:07
Nevro	yeah, would have to stripp it down quite a lot I guess. But still, I would belive that ubuntu was not the best distro to use as a base for handheld. Just my five cents, might be completely off though:P	08:08
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Iosif[Blac]	now i will try this package: XDAndroid 2.1 (rel 2.5a).zip	08:08
Iosif[Blac]	after that the cab should finnish download	08:09
Iosif[Blac]	ETA 7 minutes	08:09
Iosif[Blac]	crappy bandwidth	08:09
CazH	Nevro: ubuntu is quite good, you can pick and chose what packages to install and by doing so you can strip it down to pretty much nothing if you feel like it	08:11
CazH	But if you just do a stock install you'll get a lot of bloat for a handheld	08:11
Nevro	ok, though they might have bloated the kernel some to. Just used it a bit on my laptop, but was quite bloated	08:13
CazH	Nevro: the rhobuntu uses the xdandroid kernel :)	08:13
CazH	which is build only for a handfull of htc devices and i think the SE X1	08:14
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leobaillard	sorry for the split, changing room :)	08:15
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CazH	it quite allright :)	08:15
Iosif[Blac]	should I choose Blackstone-Normal or Blackstone-Overclocked ??	08:17
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: for starters lets just use the normal	08:18
Iosif[Blac]	ok :))	08:18
CazH	then you can start overclocking when you got it up and running ;)	08:18
Nevro	aaah... Then I understand. Would only be xdandroid with some ubuntu on top then. Nice. Maybe 'll tryy it out after a while	08:18
Nevro	After I'm done trying to find out what I need in the kernel code:P	08:18
CazH	Nevro: well. No, there is nothing from xdandroid except the kernel which is just modded linux kernel :)	08:19
CazH	so it's a hacked ubuntu with a custom kernel	08:19
Iosif[Blac]	what are you talking about guys ? you lost me a little :))	08:19
Nevro	cool	08:19
Iosif[Blac]	for what device ?	08:19
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: any device that xdandroid works on ;)	08:20
Nevro	rhobuntu, which I'm sceptical about solely becouse of the buntu part:P	08:20
Iosif[Blac]	same shit with callibration	08:20
Iosif[Blac]	thinking	08:20
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: that error?	08:20
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: didn't it ask you to calibrate after deleting the file either?	08:20
Iosif[Blac]	cannot find setup mode, disabling setupmodem	08:20
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: those messages are normal and means jack shit ;)	08:20
Iosif[Blac]	nope	08:21
Iosif[Blac]	the colored logo appeared	08:21
CazH	they will apper and after a little while you should see the logo	08:21
Iosif[Blac]	very fast	08:21
CazH	the 4 colored X?	08:21
Iosif[Blac]	yeap	08:21
Iosif[Blac]	very fast	08:21
CazH	It should run for about 10-15 loops of that graphic and then you should get a setup screen	08:22
Nevro	and you removed everything before installing again?	08:22
CazH	However there are some problems with getting a endless loop of that graphic so if it's not boot in like 5-10 minuts you know something is wrong	08:22
Iosif[Blac]	entered pin	08:23
Nevro	Is there phone emulators out by the way? For testing changes in code	08:24
Iosif[Blac]	we wish	08:24
CazH	Nevro: I belive there is a generic emu. But testing kernel changes I think you need to use you're phone :)	08:24
Nevro	Would be great to emulate my phone instead of actually changing the image, don't wish to fuck up my phone, which I most certanly will:P	08:25
CazH	Nevro: you can't fuck up your phone	08:26
CazH	you can tops fuck up you sdcard	08:26
Nevro	Could fuck it upp and fry the cpu if I change the scheduler:P	08:26
Iosif[Blac]	booted up	08:27
Nevro	putting it on max load and never caring about the heat	08:27
LokisSword	Whats the best way to build a system image for use with android? I'm using dd to make a file mke2fs to make it an ext2 fs and then copying files into it	08:27
CazH	Nevro: highly unlikly, it has features to make sure it doesn't overheat if I remeber corretly ;)	08:27
LokisSword	But I'm getting permission errors or file doesn't exist errors	08:27
LokisSword	/puzzled!	08:27
Nevro	true, I would have to destroy the "idiot of a programmer" safety first. Guess I just can do it then	08:28
CazH	LokisSword: How did you get the files you are trying to build a image from?	08:28
LokisSword	I have a zip of system files	08:28
CazH	Nevro: as long as you try to use your brain I doubt you can trash it :P	08:29
Iosif[Blac]	99 free memory	08:29
CazH	LokisSword: Do you know these files should work if you put them in a image? because they might have broken perms or missing files?	08:29
Nevro	yeah, or I can use my brain actively to trash it. But sounds like fun to try to make the external speaker working. I have to give it a shot now	08:30
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: it works?	08:30
LokisSword	v2.04 files from a Desire ROM	08:30
LokisSword	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=720693	08:30
Iosif[Blac]	fucking noob	08:30
Iosif[Blac]	guess what	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	i entered in oi bla bla	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	don't know how to exit	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	I enter tas manager	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	i kill the apps	08:31
CazH	LokisSword: You know that system image might depend on files on the rootfs?	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	nothing works after that lol	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	I rebooted it	08:31
Nevro	Iosif[Blac]: what did you enter in what?	08:31
Iosif[Blac]	advanced task killer	08:32
LokisSword	Yes but shouldn't be getting permission errors no?	08:32
Nevro	and you entered a string in there or what?	08:32
Iosif[Blac]	lol	08:32
Iosif[Blac]	nope	08:32
Iosif[Blac]	brb	08:32
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: it's a htc rom which as far as I understand they do heavy modding to pretty much everything which means they might require other perms then what we use? I'm just guessing here...	08:33
CazH	sorry last message was for LokisSword	08:36
LokisSword	;) thanks	08:36
Nevro	is there some place I can register to help on xdandroid?	08:37
CazH	Well no not really, there is a social group on xda for people that does something for xdandroid, but it's invite only kind of thinggy	08:38
Nevro	ok, which means I first have to contribute some I guess. Well, just have to start working then:P	08:38
CazH	Well at least show you care :P You'll properly need commit access for the git repos if you hack something together or have someone do it for you :)	08:40
CazH	The social group was created yesterday so nothing of interest in it yet so just hack away for now ;)	08:40
Nevro	yeah, guessing the repos don't have public write access :P	08:40
Nevro	would be kind of risky	08:42
CazH	Yes very risky	08:42
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Nevro	I hate waiting for other people at work. Spent the last three hours waiting	08:44
CazH	That just sucks	08:45
Nevro	I know. Hope he's done soon so we can put upp the HW	08:46
Iosif[Blac]	I was talking about android :)	08:46
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: sorry that message wasn't for you, just got confused :P	08:47
Iosif[Blac]	not a problem my friend	08:51
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Iosif[Blac]	stupid question	09:15
Iosif[Blac]	Does Android has a lock shortcut ?	09:15
Iosif[Blac]	can be charged from the pc ?	09:15
Iosif[Blac]	I connected the cable but the led does not turn on	09:16
thedicemaster	by default xdandroid doesn't have a charge-light.	09:17
CazH	Iosif[Blac]: push the phone down button that should put the phone to sleep and lock the screen :)	09:18
thedicemaster	wait for a while and see if a lightningbolt appears on the battery icon, or use led-effect to enable a charging signal from the led.	09:18
CazH	And as said it doesn't have a charge light but when you plug a cable in(charger or usb) you should see the icon in the top bar change to have a lighting symbol on it :)	09:19
Iosif[Blac]	sure	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	thanks	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	it is charging	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	weird	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	check this out	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	wi fi on	09:20
Iosif[Blac]	battery at 78% when I enetered android	09:21
Iosif[Blac]	warning that I have 15% battery	09:21
Iosif[Blac]	I freak out and I kill the wi fi	09:21
CazH	battery driver is very funky. It may jump about quite a bit	09:21
thedicemaster	battery reporting is broken.	09:21
Iosif[Blac]	I still play with the phone and turned it down and put it on the table to charge	09:21
Iosif[Blac]	after ten minutes I want to see if it is charging	09:22
Iosif[Blac]	on the home screen say 70% charging	09:22
thedicemaster	i also occasionally have that i get a low power warning, and a 75% charge a few seconds later.	09:22
Iosif[Blac]	wtf ?	09:22
Iosif[Blac]	so.... ok, should i ignore the warnings ?	09:22
CazH	when you draw more power from the battery the voltage drops (it still has the same charge) so the battery driver thinks you lost a lost of power. When you kill wifi the power draw gets lower and the voltage goes up and driver now thinks you have loads of power	09:22
CazH	Yeah pretty much the only solution atm	09:22
Iosif[Blac]	not a problem, but to put my phone to charge to find out that is almost full, is weird	09:23
Iosif[Blac]	ok, I'll ignore it then, thanks	09:23
thedicemaster	there is a semi-solution which at least disables warnings, but it also kills deep sleep(so standby draws more power)	09:23
Iosif[Blac]	no thanks	09:24
Iosif[Blac]	one question	09:24
Iosif[Blac]	how the fuck can I import my contacts ?	09:24
Iosif[Blac]	not from gmail	09:24
Iosif[Blac]	from sim or wm	09:24
CazH	you can import from sim	09:25
CazH	not from wm	09:25
Iosif[Blac]	ok	09:25
Iosif[Blac]	but	09:25
CazH	go in to the phone thing, and change tab to contacts	09:25
Iosif[Blac]	there must be a way to take it from wm	09:25
CazH	Nope not really, move them to sim or gmail	09:25
Iosif[Blac]	like sync with Outlook	09:25
CazH	in 2.2 you can sync with a exchange server	09:25
Iosif[Blac]	and from outlook to.....something capable to move them to android	09:26
Iosif[Blac]	not an exchange	09:26
Iosif[Blac]	stupid server	09:26
CazH	Just saying what I know can be done	09:26
thedicemaster	great, my capacitive is messed up.	09:26
thedicemaster	back button almost constantly reports touch, while the rest is unresponsive.	09:27
Iosif[Blac]	http://superuser.com/questions/38753/how-do-i-transfer-numbers-contacts-from-windows-mobile-to-android	09:27
Iosif[Blac]	ha ha ha	09:27
Iosif[Blac]	I'll do it as soon as I am home...	09:27
CazH	thedicemaster: my capactive buttons fuck up every once in a while	09:27
Iosif[Blac]	in an hour or so	09:27
Iosif[Blac]	lol	09:28
CazH	Yeah that would do it :)	09:28
Iosif[Blac]	all my controls are a little bit moived	09:28
Iosif[Blac]	moved	09:28
thedicemaster	yeah every once in a while.	09:28
thedicemaster	but mine are messed up all the time.	09:29
CazH	Like they never work? :S	09:29
thedicemaster	except the first 30 seconds after startup.	09:29
thedicemaster	they work, but all except back button are very unresponsive.	09:29
thedicemaster	while the back button is constantly lit.	09:29
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CazH	Some times they get fucked if you touch them during the inital boot	09:30
CazH	I understand from the forums :)	09:30
thedicemaster	had about 20 reboots without touching the capacitive area since i first got the problem, it's still there.	09:30
thedicemaster	*touching during boot.	09:31
CazH	thedicemaster: I think it might be during the first boot only?	09:31
CazH	But I'm not sure.	09:31
CazH	If it does some calibration stuff and saves that like with the touch screen?	09:32
thedicemaster	i wonder if anyone ever actually bothered to check if HTC batteries have a chip, and if it has how to read from it.	09:38
CazH	thedicemaster: it has a chip that much I know :)	09:38
thedicemaster	figured as much, considering some fakes report as empty in WM but report normally in android.	09:39
thedicemaster	would be nice though if someone could get android to read off that chip.	09:39
thedicemaster	would most likely solve the majority of battery problems.	09:40
CazH	Yes I'm guess thats the reason for androids funky battery readings and shutdowns before the power is out	09:40
CazH	The battery has 3 contacts... which means it don't speak spi. Maybe i2c or 1-wire then	09:45
Iosif[Blac]	I go home	09:49
Iosif[Blac]	bye guys	09:49
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CazH	bye	09:49
thedicemaster	i hope my new battery arrives soon, and will tell android it's full a little longer.	09:50
CazH	I have a 1300mAh, but it's too big to fit under the normal cover so it's just laying around :P	09:51
thedicemaster	1300? i'm going for 3000	09:51
CazH	Holy shit you phones gonna be the size of a brick :P	09:52
Nevro	how the hell do you manage to put that in your pocket?:P	09:52
Nevro	btw, I was happy three minuts ago. Had to fix a small compatability issue, so had something to do for 5 minuts:D	09:53
thedicemaster	i manage to put a DSiXL in my pocket, so 2x HTC diamond should be easy.	09:53
Nevro	wow, you have huge pockets!	09:54
Nevro	I struggle to put a DS Lite into mine	09:54
CazH	Nevro: a fix for xdandroid?	09:54
Nevro	no:P at work	09:54
CazH	Oh	09:54
CazH	that boring stuff :P Fix stuff for xdandroid and we're happy in here :D	09:54
Nevro	sorry to disapoint you CazH	09:54
Nevro	hehe	09:54
CazH	I'll live :P	09:55
Nevro	Maybe I'll start with xdandroid in two weeks time. Going away to italy saturday:D two week without a single computer:o	09:55
CazH	Nevro: they have power for a laptop in italy too you know :P	09:56
NeoMatrixJR	Ok, I'm confused as all hell. I grabbed 2.2 via http://sites.google.com/site/androidport/downloads and it works. I've been trying to manually download and run since it came out with no dice. WHAT GIVES?!	09:56
Nevro	think my girlfrid forces me to go cold turky	09:56
CazH	Nevro: Sit on the beach with a cold beer and you laptop fixing xdandroid ;)	09:56
CazH	what a bitch :P	09:56
Nevro	CazH: yeah, but where I'm going theres no internet access, so quite hard to fix something in code you never have seen before without the possibility to ask for help	09:57
Nevro	I'm going to shake like hell, halusinate and sweat like a pig	09:57
CazH	I'm pretty sure the place I wen't to last year in italy had wifi which cover a small part of the beach ;)	09:57
thedicemaster	tethering?	09:57
Nevro	well, it's no cell phone connection there either. Have to walk a mile or two to get signal :P	09:58
NeoMatrixJR	but no adb on the build from androidport	09:58
Nevro	They have gas though :P	09:58
CazH	NeoMatrixJR: are you sure is not just disabled in settings?	09:59
thedicemaster	... do they actually have electricity there?	09:59
Nevro	I think so. Not sure. My mom and dad have been there before, I haven't. But they didn't say there wasn't electricity.	09:59
Nevro	I belive it when I see it:P	10:00
NeoMatrixJR	CazH: where do I set it? Manually downloaded version had ADB without ever fully booting into Android. (Could connect during boot)	10:00
CazH	NeoMatrixJR: Settings > Applications > Development > USB debugging	10:01
Nevro	At least android have a good battery time when you'r on 5% :P took a few hours from 50 to 5, and now I had 5% around 4 hours:P	10:01
CazH	Nevro: It's read battery voltage which does not discharge on a liniar scale	10:01
Nevro	ok. Just funny that it's the complete opposite of W. In WM I can have full battery quite long, and suddenly it drops. Can go from full to 15% in 8 hours, while the battery life is a 4-5 days	10:03
Nevro	So I only crash and burn when going somewhere in the weekends. Looks at the phone, battery is full. During the ride there it just drops, and before I get home again, the battery is dead:P	10:03
CazH	Nevro: wm reads the battery level of a chip in the battery which should work a hell of a lot better :)	10:03
CazH	Nevro: just came a across this: "Enable External Speaker - external.rhod_speaker=1 - Keep in mind this is for debugging"	10:06
CazH	No clue what it does and what it doesn't	10:06
CazH	it's a command for the startup.txt by the way :)	10:07
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Nevro	thanks, I'll try that out:D	10:07
CazH	yw :)	10:08
thedicemaster	very odd, after wiping my data.img notification ringtones are gone.	10:18
thedicemaster	actually, the whole media folder seems to be ignored.	10:20
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NeoMatrixJR	CazH: no dice. debug on but nothing on ADB. I just recently got it working with one of the updates. I wonder if this 2.2 "pack" is prior to that update....	10:28
NeoMatrixJR	going to start "playing" with this pack to see what breaks it.	10:28
Tony_	This is probably a stupid newbie question... But... I have a Touch Pro on Sprint (CDMA Network). According to the Wiki, only the GSM Touch Pro is currently supported. Is that still accurate?	10:29
CazH	NeoMatrixJR: are you booting with the usb cable connected in active sync mode?	10:30
NeoMatrixJR	Tony_: no, you can use CDMA, just add "htc_hw.force_cdma=1" to your startup.txt cmdline before the physkeyboard=XXXX	10:31
CazH	Tony_: You looking at the xda-developers.com wiki? look at the wiki in the topic :)	10:31
NeoMatrixJR	CazH: yes	10:31
CazH	NeoMatrixJR: what happens, do you get any logo in the top bar when connecting a usb cable	10:31
Tony_	CaZH: I was looking at this URL: http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Supported_Devices	10:32
CazH	"The following list is INCOMPLETE AND INACCURATE"	10:33
NeoMatrixJR	CazH: yeah, says it's connected. Always used to do that to me, but I could never get ADB to work. I think it just started working for me recently after one of the zImage updates about turning off usb something or other.... I'll have to look it up.	10:33
CazH	And the CDMA tp is not even listed on it... It's doesn't say it's not supoorted :)	10:34
Tony_	Yeah, that's why I wanted to check here... figured you guys would have more up to date info than the wiki with that disclaimer.	10:34
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Tony_	Well, off to the store to buy a supported SD card. :)	10:35
Tony_	thanks again!	10:35
CazH	Hehe good luck	10:35
CazH	your welcome	10:35
NeoMatrixJR	now here's an oddity, I had rel_path=andboot in my startup.txt, but everything was in root and it ran just fine....	10:35
CazH	NeoMatrixJR: it checks root, then andboot and then it checks rel_path ;)	10:36
NeoMatrixJR	oh	10:36
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NeoMatrixJR	hmmm...the "pack" that works has a system.ext2 dated 6/30/10 8:09PM but the most recent beta is 7/1/10 12:36AM. I'm going to try and update just the system file and see if that breaks it....	10:41
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NeoMatrixJR	CazH: adb worked after htc-msm-linux @ 20100614_211737 "deactivate usb ether by default, so that all adb are happy"	10:45
CazH	Yeah	10:46
CazH	No suprise that a fix help :P	10:46
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mc44	out of interest, can anyone tell me how many/which non-free blobs xdandroid depends on?	10:51
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mc44	excluding google apps and whatnot	10:53
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NeoMatrixJR	ok, latest system works fine... trying to up to latest rootfs....	10:53
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NeoMatrixJR	where would a zImage/Modules with modules-2.6.27.46-01106-g6e8abc4-dirty.tar.gz have come from? (note the "dirty")	11:01
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NeoMatrixJR	phh: do you know where the "dirty" modules came from?	11:12
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hamagc	good morning guys	11:49
CazH	morning hamagc	11:53
CazH	:)	11:53
CazH	well i'm off later guys :)	11:55
NeoMatrixJR	later CazH....	11:59
NeoMatrixJR	can the zImage be updated without updating the modules? or can multiple modules be installed?	12:02
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hamagc	i believe the zimage matches the modules so you can not mix and match them.	12:39
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apwn	Hello, I have a question. I have a HTC touch diamond but there is no spot for a microSD card, just internal memory. Is it still possible to install android on it ? Thank you	12:54
NeoMatrixJR	apwn: possibly. A quick google search turned up this: http://ghost301tech.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/how-to-run-android-in-htc-touch-diamond/	12:57
NeoMatrixJR	YMMV	12:57
apwn	Thank you, I will check it out	12:59
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Iosif[Blac]	Hello again	13:03
Iosif[Blac]	Is android capable of connecting to hidden Wi-Fi networks ?	13:04
hamagc	apwn: see the thread under the diamond or touch pro section on xda-developers	13:04
hamagc	iosif:yes	13:04
Iosif[Blac]	how :(( ?	13:04
Iosif[Blac]	I am tryng for an hour	13:04
hamagc	set it to connect even if it is not broadcasting.	13:04
Iosif[Blac]	hoe can I do that ?	13:04
Iosif[Blac]	i didn't see that setting anywhere	13:04
hamagc	wifi is currently broken, use an older rootfs or wait for the new system update that fixes it	13:04
Iosif[Blac]	oh	13:05
Iosif[Blac]	:((	13:05
Iosif[Blac]	how can I do it	13:05
Iosif[Blac]	?	13:05
hamagc	for hidden networks, you'll have to input the information manually as it will not find them under a scan. in the wifi menu hit add wifi network and enter the ssid and password.	13:07
hamagc	i have a hidden network at home that i have had no problems with other than wifi being broken.	13:07
Iosif[Blac]	I've done that	13:07
hamagc	what device are you on?	13:07
Iosif[Blac]	Blackstone	13:07
hamagc	2.1?	13:08
hamagc	try this image and see if it works for you: http://xdandroid.southcape.org/rootfs/rootfs-20100701-1d8c857.zip	13:08
hamagc	brb, smoke break	13:08
Iosif[Blac]	what do i do whit it ?	13:08
Iosif[Blac]	with*	13:09
Iosif[Blac]	I change my rootfs with that ?	13:10
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hamagc	ya, replace the one you have with that one and wifi "should" work. if not, revert back to your current rootfs and wait for the new system to be released that fixes wifi.	13:29
hamagc	have to run to an appt. be back later.	13:29
Iosif[Blac]	good luck and thanks a lot	13:29
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Reefermattness	Hey guys :)	13:34
NeoMatrixJR	Hey Reefermattness, I was just about to grab some lunch. Did you see my reply to your PM on XDA?	13:35
Reefermattness	Neo whats up man, I actually got that zimage/kernel from the ones with the battery "fix"	13:35
Reefermattness	http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=121614	13:36
NeoMatrixJR	huh...ok, well, now I know who's kernel it is. Whatever he's done differently makes 2.2 work on a TP2. I've had no luck with any other kernel.	13:38
Reefermattness	really so it was just dumb luck that I even got it working? hahaha	13:39
Reefermattness	nice	13:39
Reefermattness	Thats one thing I am good at. ;)	13:40
NeoMatrixJR	me too.	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	ok, I gotta grab lunch then I'll try and catch unknownforce later. wonder if he's ever on irc....	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	~seen unknownforce	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	!seen	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	@seen	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	huh.	13:43
NeoMatrixJR	no seen command	13:43
Reefermattness	enjoy lunch! ttyl	13:43
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templis	hi	14:08
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Venim	hey	14:40
Venim	is a 1GB sd card big enough to run this?	14:40
paalsteek	Venim: should be but not shure. running on 8 GB but abount 7 GB free	14:49
Venim	hmm ok	14:50
Venim	well, i just got rid of everything else on the card	14:50
Venim	so i'll see if it works now	14:50
Venim	ya now its working	14:51
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thedicemaster	from what i can see, 512MB should even be enough. just don't expect to put much else on it.	15:10
Nevro	Hi. Downloaded the latest version, but when I unzip it, the STARTUP CONFIG folder is empty:s	15:13
Venim	thedicemaster: that is basically true	15:13
Nevro	I have a startup.txt though, so I'll try:P	15:16
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Iosif[Blac]	hello	15:17
Nevro	how long should it take before shutting down WM before I see text on my screen?	15:17
Iosif[Blac]	5 sec or so	15:17
Iosif[Blac]	who's arround ?	15:18
Nevro	fuck, then something is wrong	15:18
Nevro	can anyone post a startup.txt file for Rhodium some place? guessing it's there something is wrong	15:19
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mmoose68	I just put xdandroid on my diam500 and am having some issues	15:22
mmoose68	can anyone help?	15:22
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Nevro	Which 7z file should I use? XDANDROID.21/22/24/27/28?	15:26
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bhe	Hi devs, I have a question, I was playing with the froyo build and I noticed i couldn't ping to any host, something I could from a (rooted) desire. also i noticed that dhcpcd uses setprop to set the dns. but setprop isn't included in the bin directory, after copying it from another build I had a lt less errors like this : java.net.UnknownHostException in logcat	15:29
mmoose68	I have no connection to the network... running the newest build on a diam500..... any ideas?	15:34
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Tasty_boy_XDA	hey guys	15:39
Tasty_boy_XDA	what is the most active thread in XDA bout xdaondroid?	15:39
Nevro	why do all the STARTUP.TXT files copy into the root. Did so my	15:40
Nevro	phone wouldn't boot	15:40
Nevro	:s	15:40
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Nevro	I can't skip the add a google account part:s	15:45
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bhe	Nevro : press home button (power button on most devices)	15:50
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Nevro	Do anyone know which startup.txt file one should use with norwegian HTC Touch Pro 2?	16:03
Nevro	Not sure if I have rhodium or tilt	16:04
Nevro	and when I have a GSM phone, should i set force_cdma to 0?	16:08
bhe	Nevro set it to 0 or don't put it in the statup at all	16:08
Nevro	ok, was in all the rhodium startups, and I didn't get connection to the net. maybe this makes the phone work	16:08
bhe	if you have a gsm and it is set to 1, you won't have connection :-)	16:09
Nevro	does it read the startup.txt every time I bootup? So if something is wrong, all I have to do is boot into WM, change the startup.txt and run haret?	16:09
bhe	yes, it reads it every time	16:09
Nevro	good	16:10
Nevro	might be some questions about the setup then:P	16:10
bhe	and there are options to set keyboard maps in startup.txt	16:11
Nevro	ok, what keyboard maps are supported? Thinking if norwegian setup, with norwegian keys are supported	16:11
bhe	look at init : http://gitorious.org/xdandroid-eclair/eclair-rootfs/blobs/master/init	16:11
bhe	keymaps starts at line 430	16:11
Nevro	thanks	16:12
bhe	for you maybe : physkeyboard=rhod100_nordic	16:12
Nevro	yeah, seems correct	16:13
Nevro	I'll have a look at it;)	16:13
Nevro	Would be cool to have the norwegian keyboard, but at least it works better than last time I used it;)	16:16
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro, I may be able to help. I did the RHOD400 keyboard. Can you take a picture of your keyboard and post it? If I still have all my stuff I could build a keymap for you. Also your RHOD### model#.	16:18
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: ok, I'll find a picture;) My Rhod model is the standard RHOD you can get in norway, so no tilt or anything. If there's a list I can find it	16:19
hamagc	ok i'm back	16:24
NeoMatrixJR	just look under your battery for the RHOD###. Sprint TP2 = RHOD400, Verizon = RHOD500, AT&T Tilt 2 = RHOD210 (I think....)	16:24
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: Image: http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1072/cimg1639.jpg Model: RHOD100	16:27
Nevro	Tell me if the image is not good enough and I'll take another one	16:27
Nevro	Is worse on the left side I see	16:28
NeoMatrixJR	looks like there should already be a rhod100_nordic	16:29
Nevro	yeah, saw that, using that one	16:29
Nevro	guessing it's asking to much, but will æøå work with that?	16:29
NeoMatrixJR	oh, sorry bhe...for some reason I thought I saw raph100_nordic on your post.	16:29
NeoMatrixJR	um....	16:30
Nevro	Btw. heard about some hack which would fix the external speaker, although it's unstable	16:31
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro...you don't happen to know if those are UTF-8 characters are they?	16:31
Nevro	yeah, I have UTF-8 on my PC, and that works	16:31
Nevro	so either one have to use UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1 I think it is	16:32
Nevro	ancious to find out if special characters works now, rebooting :D	16:33
Tasty_boy_XDA	lol, if i add the code i only hear the ringtones in 3.5 jack, and if i didn't add i can't listen music in 3.5 jack	16:33
Tasty_boy_XDA	LOOOOOOOOOL	16:33
Tasty_boy_XDA	so sad	16:33
Nevro	This is so weird, trying to import contacs from sim card, and it says it's importing, and when it's done, there's no contacts there	16:36
Nevro	YEY! æøå works :D now I don't have to drive my girlfriend insane	16:37
Unholy	nevro contact sync is bugged	16:37
Unholy	sometimes it shows the contact sometimes it dosent	16:37
Unholy	but dont worry	16:38
Iosif[Blac]	wow, so crowded	16:38
Unholy	they are synced	16:38
NeoMatrixJR	Ok, Nevro, the screenshot is kinda hard to see the little symbols can you send me something like K = æ, Æ; etc...?	16:38
Unholy	caller id will show	16:38
NeoMatrixJR	nevro: for the keys that don't work right	16:38
bhe	Nevro : can you give some info about external speaker hack. I have a topaz lying around that has problems with eternal speaker to	16:38
Nevro	Unholy: ok, so if I write the name of a contact when writing sms, I can send?	16:39
Unholy	probly	16:39
Unholy	iv never tinkerd with sms	16:39
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: Every key worked with rhod100_nordic, at least as far as I can see	16:39
Unholy	i dotn ahve a data plan	16:39
Unholy	have*	16:39
Unholy	but yea should work	16:40
Nevro	Unholy: yeah, it works	16:40
Unholy	=)	16:40
Nevro	bhe: I just heard about it earlier today, but forgot. Will have a look and see if I can find it again	16:40
Nevro	should be really unstable though:P	16:40
bhe	if it was here on irc I will look in the logs	16:41
Iosif[Blac]	Any chance that this package: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621498 supports hidden wi-fi networks on blackstone ?	16:41
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro...nevermind. I think I misread what you were posting above	16:41
Nevro	bhe: external.rhod_speaker=1 was the hack I hear of	16:42
Nevro	is for debugging	16:42
Nevro	heard*	16:42
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro, bhe: I think that's been around for a while. I think all it does is route calls out the speaker instead of ear speaker if I remember right, but you're free to try it.	16:42
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: ok, so if the speaker don't work, one just hears nothing at all then	16:43
Nevro	and private calls is out of the question?	16:43
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro, um. I think it will activate the speaker. but you still can't use it for system sounds or music I believe	16:44
NeoMatrixJR	I'll give it a try in a few minutes. Gotta load test card and add change	16:45
Nevro	thanks, would be great if it worked, but will still have to wait for a real fix, since I need to be able to have private calls	16:46
Nevro	or I have to fix it myselv, if I find where in the code the problem might be	16:46
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: what zImage/modules are you using? Are you using the one from the "android project" website (modules-blahblah-dirty.tar.gz)?	16:46
Nevro	but to all developers in here. Thank you so insanely much for making it possible to run android on my phone!	16:47
Nevro	used the latest from the xdandroid.com website. Found under installation instructions	16:47
NeoMatrixJR	and it works on your TP2?!	16:48
Nevro	yes	16:48
NeoMatrixJR	hmmmm	16:48
Iosif[Blac]	This is the place where I can get the latest release ? http://htcandroid.xland.cz/	16:48
Nevro	all but the back speaker	16:48
Nevro	and BT at least	16:48
Nevro	but back speaker is the only thing need that don't work right now	16:49
Unholy	Iosif[Blac]: yes	16:49
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: oh, wait, so are you using: XDANDROID.2.2.AOSP.1.7.10.BETA.V1.7z? no updates beyond that "pack"?	16:49
bhe	nobody knows where I can find a new motherboard for a topaz/diamond2 (water damage), I searched ebay but I can't find any	16:49
Nevro	XDANDROID.21.6.10.ASOP.7z	16:50
Nevro	nothing beyond that	16:50
Iosif[Blac]	This is the most recent release ? XDANDROID.2.2.AOSP.1.7.10.BETA.7z ?	16:50
Nevro	quite sceptical of beta releases on something which is under development	16:51
NeoMatrixJR	Iosif[Blac]: as far as I know, but it won't work on my TP2. I had to find a special release somewhat by accident.	16:51
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: so are you still running a 2.1 release>	16:51
NeoMatrixJR	?	16:51
Nevro	yes	16:51
Nevro	Since 2.2 is not quite done as far as I have heard	16:52
Nevro	what is lacking in 2.2 with reagard to TP2?	16:53
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: Well, you're not going to get a standard build to work properly for one thing.... :(	16:53
NeoMatrixJR	I just found today that I had to use a kernel that was modified by "unknownforce."	16:54
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: ok, so then I jsut wait untill 2.2 is out of beta then:P	16:54
Iosif[Blac]	I run this version now: XDAndroid 2.1 (rel 2.5a).zip and I can not connect to a hidden wi-fi network, so I am trying to find a newer release for my blackstone	16:54
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: Scary nick to use when working with kernels:P	16:54
NeoMatrixJR	he was trying to work around the battery level issue. Seems his "dirty" kernels are the only ones that work with 2.2 on TP2. I've been trying to track him down to see what he's done	16:55
Tasty_boy_XDA	NeoMatrixJR	16:55
Tasty_boy_XDA	that's nice	16:55
NeoMatrixJR	Iosif[Blac]: what kind of security on your network?	16:55
Iosif[Blac]	wpa2	16:55
Iosif[Blac]	I have three things on add network	16:56
Tasty_boy_XDA	[Iosif[Blac]]: try the latest files in xdandroid wiki	16:56
NeoMatrixJR	Tasty_boy_XDA: um...thanks? <what did I do?>	16:56
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: oooh... Would be good to have him on the main xdandroid team then. Maybe he could fix some of the battery issues	16:56
Iosif[Blac]	ssid, sec and passw	16:56
Tasty_boy_XDA	[NeoMatrixJR]: this thing u told us bout battery	16:56
Iosif[Blac]	no connect even if not broadcast	16:56
Tasty_boy_XDA	nice point	16:56
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: so far all he's done is dump in a "workaround" not a true fix. search unknownforce on ppcgeeks.com for more info	16:56
hamagc	latest files in for xdandroid break wifi all together.	16:56
Iosif[Blac]	you have a link please ?	16:57
hamagc	iosif if the rootfs i gave you didn't work your going to have to wait until the next release when the new system comes out that fixes wifi.	16:57
Tasty_boy_XDA	google it	16:57
Tasty_boy_XDA	"xdandroid wiki"	16:57
hamagc	www.xdandroid.com	16:57
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: ok, thinking of looking at the code and see if I can contribute some when I get back from wacation btw. Would be a cool project to help on	16:58
Iosif[Blac]	after i replaced that rootfs, android didn't want to start	16:58
Tasty_boy_XDA	Iosif[Blac]	16:58
Tasty_boy_XDA	im using it in my blackstone	16:58
hamagc	odd, since i don't work with blackstones it's hard to say.	16:58
Iosif[Blac]	ok, so...what did i screw up ?	16:59
NeoMatrixJR	Nevro: I've been working on setting up my system to build code. been having trouble, but going to try again. Had to give up my desk space to fix a computer for a while... :)	16:59
hamagc	but i haven't had any issues with wifi and hidden networks to date other than wifi being broken and not being able to connect period.	16:59
NeoMatrixJR	hamagc: I thought wifi wasn't really "broken" just no dhcp...?	16:59
hamagc	thats broken	16:59
NeoMatrixJR	but he could set a static IP can't he?	17:00
hamagc	he can	17:00
Nevro	NeoMatrixJR: yeah, was quite a lot of dependencies to install before building code	17:00
hamagc	and he should have no problems if he does it that way	17:00
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Tony__	I recently downloaded and installed XDAndroid on my phone... If I do run into any bugs, what is the best place to report them?	17:01
Tasty_boy_XDA	here	17:01
Tasty_boy_XDA	or bug tracker	17:01
hamagc	tony, on xda, there is a thread for problems, bugs and questions.	17:01
hamagc	let me get you a link.	17:01
Iosif[Blac]	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621498	17:01
Tony__	ok.. saw the bug tracker, but didn't see any form to input it. Thanks!	17:01
Tasty_boy_XDA	take it easy, you didn't find any bug, im sure	17:01
Tasty_boy_XDA	lol	17:01
hamagc	http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=716004	17:02
hamagc	brb	17:02
Tasty_boy_XDA	gonna test that battery fix :D	17:06
Tony__	Well, just in case it is a setup issue, let me ask here. I'm running on Sprint, with a CDMA Touch Pro. I can make calls and Texts with no problem... However, I don't seem to have any Data Access. I can't navigate to websites, etc. (I can access via WiFi, but not via the Sprint Network)	17:06
Tony__	Any Troubleshooting Suggestions there?	17:06
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bhe	Maybe check under settings if your apn's all filled in correctly	17:13
NeoMatrixJR	Tony_: bhe's right, you won't have an APN by default for CDMA. Do you know how to add one?	17:14
Iosif[Blac]	what is the best rootfs to run with this version ? XDANDROID.2.2.AOSP.1.7.10.BETA.V1.7z	17:15
hamagc	tony__: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=104276 - thread deticated to cdma touch pros	17:17
Iosif[Blac]	ok, I'll leave it till tomorrow then	17:25
Iosif[Blac]	goodnight guys	17:26
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sellars	Hey guys, I can see the HTC Diamond is supported, but it does not have a sdcard slot.....	18:23
sellars	sorry, HTC Touch Diamond	18:24
CazH	sellars with diamond internal storage = SD card	18:24
sellars	ok thx	18:24
sellars	makes things even easier ;)	18:25
hamagc	anyone notice when they have yahoo mail open and signed into chat, when android starts it signs you out of chat?	18:29
hamagc	keep scratching my head at this. only yahoo on the phone is yahoo news and yahoo mail (android email app)	18:29
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hamagc	ok guys, tomorrow. good night.	19:30
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Chris____	Tilt 2 device - can't get radio enabled	19:47
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xUmaRix	seems like latest rootfs.img init commit i.e root_partition= not working error /rfs not found during executing mount command	20:50
stinebd	huh?	20:57
Unholy	stinebd i got my modules to work =), for some reason they get decompressed to a folder with the kernel version as name, not in /root/lib/modules	20:59
Unholy	now wifi turns on but fails to scan then auto , it shuts off on its own	21:00
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xUmaRix	i try to use root_partition parameter	21:58
xUmaRix	but mount sdcard failed	21:58
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