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| rpierce99 | stinebd: cry a little more, if the game is too hard just say so | 01:10 |
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| stinebd | rpierce99: have you played it? | 03:28 |
| rpierce99 | no | 03:28 |
| rpierce99 | still busy with skyrim | 03:28 |
| stinebd | then shut up about it | 03:28 |
| rpierce99 | :) | 03:28 |
| stinebd | it's a legitimate gripe, not complaining about difficulty | 03:28 |
| rpierce99 | some stupid mechanic? | 03:29 |
| stinebd | it's some stupid oddly shaped block in each level that you have to twist around to fit into a stupid oddly shaped hole in a door | 03:29 |
| stinebd | and twisting it either takes forever or kills your wrist | 03:29 |
| stinebd | and it adds absolutely nothing to the gameplay | 03:30 |
| rpierce99 | whats the point? | 03:30 |
| stinebd | to piss me off i think | 03:30 |
| stinebd | me specifically | 03:30 |
| rpierce99 | probably | 03:30 |
| stinebd | let me find a youtube to properly describe it | 03:31 |
| stinebd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDklpw6y1XE&feature=BFa&list=UU8V26PwfewtFyF11qx7kveg&lf=plcp | 03:33 |
| stinebd | lol they fast forwarded it in that one | 03:33 |
| rpierce99 | that's odd, seems pointless | 03:34 |
| stinebd | it's like a retarded tech demo they had for e3 or something that they just decided to keep | 03:35 |
| rpierce99 | meh, it's genius, nintendo doesn't make mistakes | 03:36 |
| stinebd | well the rest of the game is really damn good | 03:37 |
| stinebd | but that, and some other gimmick i can't remember right now, piss me off every time i come across it | 03:37 |
| stinebd | some other stupid motion control crap that didn't need to be there | 03:38 |
| stinebd | one thing i do like is they don't always tell you exactly where to go, so in a sense it's like the old school games where you just have to wander around for an hour until you figure out what has to happen | 03:39 |
| rpierce99 | it's "open world" | 03:40 |
| rpierce99 | except not really because it's zelda | 03:40 |
| stinebd | it's what made the first zelda awesome | 03:40 |
| stinebd | not really open world | 03:40 |
| stinebd | still linear, but you can't see the line | 03:40 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, like all the others | 03:41 |
| rpierce99 | need x to do y | 03:41 |
| rpierce99 | need y to do z | 03:41 |
| stinebd | yeah but they don't tell you what x and y are | 03:41 |
| stinebd | unlike the last 7 or so | 03:41 |
| stinebd | the only way to get lost in twilight princess is to not read the text | 03:41 |
| rpierce99 | tp was still good though | 03:42 |
| stinebd | this is more like a link to the past, where they send you to one big area (1/4 of the game world) to find some old man or something | 03:42 |
| stinebd | tp was good but way too easy | 03:43 |
| stinebd | ocarina was too easy too | 03:43 |
| stinebd | wind waker was tough because i'd fall asleep sailing and die | 03:44 |
| rpierce99 | i know it's probably blasphemous, but i've only played the first hour or so of ocarina, i didn't like it | 03:44 |
| rpierce99 | didn't much care for majora's mask either | 03:45 |
| rpierce99 | haven't finished either one | 03:45 |
| rpierce99 | never played wind waker | 03:45 |
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| sythezn | mgross029, thanks for the links... I'd figured out the first, but i hadn't worked out the permissive thing | 06:02 |
| sythezn | then my server @ work lost a couple fans and overheated... scramble | 06:03 |
| sythezn | hmmm.. still throwing the this into void thing, but at least it's not killing the build | 06:07 |
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| chraso | hi chennal | 08:26 |
| chraso | needs help on building android from scratch, currently downloading the 4.0.1 source | 08:27 |
| chraso | can some1 please tell me why even ICS has the old 2.6.32.9 kernel? | 08:28 |
| chraso | i have experience of modifing & compiling kernel for diff distros but didn't done with android | 08:29 |
| chraso | wakeup guys | 08:29 |
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| arrrghhh | detule, wasn't emwe experimenting with removing the mute mic stuff from the RIL? | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | i'm mucking with wistilt2's .39 stuff and the latest GB image i have is from 11/19 | 11:44 |
| arrrghhh | and i got audio working again, but the mic doesn't work. | 11:44 |
| detule | how badly does it not work :) | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | i'm going to go with "not at all" | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | tried to identify a song with soundhound | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | didn't detect any sound | 11:53 |
| detule | that's kind of going beyond basic functionality | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:53 |
| detule | how about in-call? | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | picking up sound is beyond basic functionality? | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | i'll try it now | 11:53 |
| detule | make sure you are not on silent | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | well i actually heard something from the phone | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | which i hadn't in the longest time | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | so i was happy that it was actually playing something. | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | hey, the magic schoolbus | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | the prox sensor doesn't seem to work so well in .39 | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | the phone call is 'hung' | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | i keep getting wait/fc messages | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 12:09 |
| detule | never had a problem with prox | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | that was really odd. audio did work in both directions. | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | prox always worked exactly as i expected it to in omgb | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't really messed with it on .39/HaRET | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | but that definitely was not how it should act. | 12:10 |
| rpierce99 | it's funny, the thing I am most nervous about with the purchase of my new tablet is that I hope the developer community for it is active and competent and not just a bunch of kangers | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | hah | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | phone calls in general seem bad juju | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | data hasn't returned | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | won't go into airplane mode | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | wtf | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | new feature, now you must reboot after every phone call. | 12:12 |
| rpierce99 | wtf are you running now? | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | what i think is the newest gb test image | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | dated 11/19 | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | and wistilt2's magical kernels | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | newest autobuild rootfs | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | it's strange, everything else seems to work fine. | 12:14 |
| jonpry | tegra cough cough | 12:15 |
| rpierce99 | jonpry ? | 12:16 |
| detule | well these pmem overlaps that appear when you take camera snapshots.....they're there on 27 as well, but for some reason 27 ploughs right through them | 12:16 |
| jonpry | rpierce99 your looking at an iconia? | 12:16 |
| arrrghhh | detule, lol | 12:16 |
| rpierce99 | yes | 12:16 |
| arrrghhh | good ole .27 | 12:16 |
| jonpry | an arm processor without neon isn't worth its salt | 12:16 |
| jonpry | or sand | 12:16 |
| rpierce99 | might as well be speaking german | 12:17 |
| arrrghhh | no grfx | 12:17 |
| jonpry | its like a pentium with no MMX/SSE | 12:17 |
| rpierce99 | so here's my plan | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | i'm buying a 10" tablet for 229 | 12:18 |
| jonpry | except that the fpu is so horrible that the MMX/SSE have to be used for scalar work | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | i'm going to buy the accidental warranty thing | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | i have until late january to return both | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | for a full refund | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | so if something better comes along, great | 12:18 |
| jonpry | why not get a playbook? | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | if not, i think one of my kids will accidentally drop it before the year is up | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | because the BB software sucks? Do they have solid ports to other OSes? | 12:19 |
| jonpry | i'm trying to get one to put android on | 12:19 |
| arrrghhh | supposedly it runs android apps, lol | 12:20 |
| jonpry | another 8660 device. but it haz hdmi | 12:20 |
| rpierce99 | iconia has hdmi | 12:20 |
| jonpry | so 1080p might be more important | 12:20 |
| rpierce99 | oh youre saying the tp doesnt | 12:20 |
| jonpry | yeah | 12:20 |
| jonpry | its cool and all that i can play 1080p so you don't have to recode, but it doesn't actually look any better than 720p | 12:21 |
| jonpry | er it | 12:21 |
| rpierce99 | but to be clear, at this moment the PB doesn't run anything other than BB OS? | 12:22 |
| jonpry | yup | 12:22 |
| rpierce99 | hm, dunno if I could put up with that | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | it runs the BB OS | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | but it does run android apps, no? | 12:24 |
| arrrghhh | or is that "coming soon"? | 12:24 |
| rpierce99 | i think they may have launched it, but it doesn't work with everything afaik | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | yea, making it work with 100% of all Android apps is not going to be an easy task. | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | 100% of Android apps don't work on Android, so.... | 12:28 |
| rpierce99 | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/blackberry-playbook-20-android-support-a-work-in-progress/19118 | 12:29 |
| rpierce99 | looks like you have to repackage your apks as BAR files | 12:30 |
| rpierce99 | and even then they don't always work | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | hooray | 12:30 |
| rpierce99 | "Android NDK apps that use C and C++ libraries will not function — only apps that are written specifically to the Android Gingerbread 2.3.x implementation of the Dalvik VM will run." | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | zomg | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | so less than 10% i bet | 12:31 |
| jonpry | android does not even work w/ all android apps | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i said that :P | 12:39 |
| sythezn | yay 8o first build, only 6 1/2 hours | 12:40 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 12:40 |
| arrrghhh | to build? | 12:40 |
| sythezn | compile & build | 12:41 |
| sythezn | make from first repo sync | 12:41 |
| arrrghhh | are you including the repo sync in that 6.5hrs? | 12:42 |
| sythezn | nah, just the build | 12:42 |
| arrrghhh | wow | 12:42 |
| sythezn | sync took 3 1/2 hours or so | 12:42 |
| arrrghhh | i think starfox said it took 3-4 hours on his RHOD | 12:42 |
| arrrghhh | oh he was building kernel tho, nvm. | 12:42 |
| sythezn | lol | 12:43 |
| arrrghhh | what are you building on again? | 12:43 |
| sythezn | ubuntu 10.10 on virtual box on win7 64 on a quad q9505 | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | that's... odd | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | i guess it's cuz of the Vm | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | that proc has the virtualization extensions tho, right? | 12:45 |
| sythezn | how'd you figure? | 12:45 |
| arrrghhh | do you have it disabled or something? | 12:45 |
| sythezn | yeah... | 12:45 |
| sythezn | nah, it's enabled | 12:45 |
| rpierce99 | it doesn't matter what kind of a machine it is if you only dedicate 500mhz and 256m ram to the vm | 12:45 |
| sythezn | cpu usage's sitting at 95% on 16 cores | 12:45 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, good point | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | what did you allocate to the vm | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | cuz damn | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | 6 hour build seems retarded. | 12:46 |
| sythezn | lmao it's running with 8GB ram dedicated, and all my cores | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | i have Q9300 | 12:46 |
| detule | did you run make -j"million" ? | 12:46 |
| arrrghhh | 4 cores | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | 3gb | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | and i think ics was building in just over an hour | 12:47 |
| sythezn | nah, -j18 | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | what -jX did you run | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | 18 | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | wtf. | 12:47 |
| arrrghhh | what have you done | 12:47 |
| detule | try it with something sane next time | 12:47 |
| sythezn | well considering i've got 16 cores... | 12:48 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 12:48 |
| sythezn | i figured it's be best to use them | 12:48 |
| sythezn | *it'd | 12:48 |
| arrrghhh | do you have dual q9505's? | 12:48 |
| sythezn | no, 4x Q9505's | 12:49 |
| arrrghhh | oO | 12:49 |
| jonpry | well something is not right | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | clearly | 12:51 |
| sythezn | could it be hdd limiting it? | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not sure what tho at this point | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | do you have something circa 1970's? | 12:51 |
| jonpry | maybe try -jram/2GB | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | some reel-to-reel tapes? | 12:52 |
| jonpry | i think you can cause it to thrash with too many jobs | 12:52 |
| sythezn | lmao nah | 12:52 |
| jonpry | not real swap kind of thrashing, but it forces headers and stuff out of cache | 12:52 |
| sythezn | ah... ie try with 4? | 12:52 |
| jonpry | yeah | 12:53 |
| sythezn | hmmm will do | 12:53 |
| arrrghhh | do you have a lot of other stuff running on the server? | 12:53 |
| sythezn | nah, this's my baby | 12:53 |
| sythezn | apart from xbmc for video, not much | 12:54 |
| detule | perhaps the VM is not virtualizing your cores | 12:56 |
| sythezn | i don't think so... they're all loading | 12:57 |
| sythezn | i mean it's not like some're heavily loaded and others not | 12:57 |
| arrrghhh | 6.5 hours is retardedly long build time. seriously. | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | might i add that 10.10 is a very odd choice :P | 12:59 |
| detule | my sturdy Q6600 w -j5 manages in what less than an hour | 12:59 |
| sythezn | :? | 12:59 |
| sythezn | i dunno then | 12:59 |
| sythezn | for a clean build? | 12:59 |
| sythezn | and why's 10.10 odd? | 13:00 |
| detule | yeah though don't take that time to the bank, it was certainly less than 2 hrs | 13:00 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, 10.04, makes sense. | 13:00 |
| sythezn | how so? lts | 13:00 |
| helicopter88 | on my i5 gb takes 30 mins in vm,with 3 gb of ram | 13:02 |
| helicopter88 | 11.04 | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, 10.10 is not lts... | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol heli | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, you've buggered something. | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | no clue what at this point. i guess try -j4 | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | i usually did 5 | 13:04 |
| helicopter88 | I run make -j4 or -j5 | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | it would peg all 4 cores | 13:04 |
| helicopter88 | -j6 goes pretty fast | 13:04 |
| sythezn | i know, lol 10.04 is. but i don't see how lts makes any difference | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, uhm, support? do you know how the ubuntu release cycle works...? | 13:04 |
| helicopter88 | not sure what have you done,if on 4 cores takes 30 mins on 16 cores should take uhm 7.5 mins? | 13:05 |
| sythezn | yeah, but it's not like it's running as a server... no high availability crap or anything | 13:05 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, so? | 13:06 |
| arrrghhh | so why are you on 10.10 lol | 13:06 |
| arrrghhh | if it's not a server shouldn't it be on 11.04 or uh... 11.10? :P | 13:06 |
| sythezn | well... why not? | 13:06 |
| helicopter88 | Isn't 10.04 LTS? | 13:06 |
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| helicopter88 | sythezn: quick test,clone the kernel source,do make -j16 and check out the speed | 13:07 |
| sythezn | * blonde moment | 13:07 |
| helicopter88 | here with make -j6 takes a minute or less | 13:07 |
| sythezn | i am running 11.10 | 13:07 |
| helicopter88 | oh,that crap | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | sythezn, you said 10.10 -_- | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | several times | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | but anyways | 13:08 |
| sythezn | yeah i know... i was thinking otherwise | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | i'm at a loss for the atrocious performance | 13:09 |
| helicopter88 | what kernel are you running on that? | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | you're saying all 16 cores were pegged for the entire 6.5 hours? | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | that seems... awesome, lol. | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | i guess it's not pegged the entire build time | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | but 90%+ of the time it probably is | 13:09 |
| helicopter88 | and,are you sure your cpu is not a chinese clone? | 13:10 |
| sythezn | more or less, at least they were in the 60-80% range when i checked | 13:10 |
| sythezn | could be ram... i had an issue with one of my modules dying a couple weeks back | 13:10 |
| sythezn | perhaps another's on it's way out | 13:11 |
| sythezn | 3.0.0-12-generic | 13:12 |
| helicopter88 | kernel is updated,uhm,then or it's the ram,or you have a set of extremely crappy cpus | 13:13 |
| sythezn | the only things i've changed in the build were to add -permissive in frameworks/base/libs/utils/Android.mk | 13:16 |
| sythezn | and -u_fortify_source in build/core/combo/HOST_linux-x86.mk | 13:19 |
| arrrghhh | you should try building clean | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | at least once | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | just to see, as a baseline... | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | plus, AFAIK it'll make future builds faster as well | 13:20 |
| sythezn | well this shoul have been a clean build, it was a build from sync? | 13:21 |
| sythezn | oki i'll try... | 13:21 |
| arrrghhh | you just said you've changed thins | 13:21 |
| arrrghhh | things* | 13:21 |
| helicopter88 | -fpermessive doesn't make the build slower,but allows support for gcc 4.6 if i'm right | 13:22 |
| sythezn | yeah, but that was because it wouldn't build without the changes | 13:22 |
| sythezn | exactly | 13:22 |
| sythezn | and the u_fortify is for the same reason | 13:22 |
| helicopter88 | idk,i don't know about that | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno then | 13:22 |
| helicopter88 | could you try with the kernel? | 13:23 |
| helicopter88 | should take seconds to do it | 13:23 |
| helicopter88 | in worst case should take 20 mins | 13:23 |
| sythezn | how do i build just the kernel? | 13:23 |
| helicopter88 | you download the source | 13:23 |
| arrrghhh | how did you just build the system image? | 13:23 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:23 |
| helicopter88 | you run make | 13:24 |
| sythezn | i just synced the gingerbread branch | 13:24 |
| helicopter88 | kernel source,not android source | 13:24 |
| helicopter88 | or,since you have gb source | 13:24 |
| helicopter88 | try make bootimage -j16 | 13:24 |
| sythezn | ah | 13:24 |
| sythezn | oki | 13:24 |
| sythezn | hmmm... definitely not seconds | 13:27 |
| sythezn | done | 13:27 |
| helicopter88 | after a clean takes 2-3 mins here | 13:27 |
| sythezn | +- 2min | 13:28 |
| helicopter88 | didn't took a lot | 13:28 |
| helicopter88 | I guess that it can't go down 2 mins,hdd bottleneck maybe? | 13:28 |
| sythezn | could be... no raid here | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have a raid | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | i need to build one, for my data drives | 13:29 |
| helicopter88 | ok,make bootimage -j16 took way less than a minute | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | but the drive i build on will probably never be in a raid | 13:30 |
| sythezn | watching proc usage, it's sitting at 15% average | 13:31 |
| sythezn | brb, i'ma run some memory diag n see what's up | 13:33 |
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| SytheZN | Well... ram seems okay so far | 13:49 |
| helicopter88 | I've tried make bootimage -j16 and -j32,both 25 secs,running 11.04 | 13:49 |
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| Sythe_ZN | Well... ram seems okay so far | 13:50 |
| helicopter88 | <helicopter88> I've tried make bootimage -j16 and -j32,both 25 secs,running 11.04 | 13:50 |
| helicopter88 | not sure what have you done to cause those massive 6 h | 13:51 |
| Sythe_ZN | After a clean? | 13:51 |
| helicopter88 | yes | 13:51 |
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| Sythe_ZN | sell... the only other thing different to the how-to is the curl location | 13:55 |
| Sythe_ZN | *well even | 13:55 |
| arrrghhh | maybe you're just not cut out for this. | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:56 |
| Sythe_ZN | https://dl-ssl.google.com/dl/googlesource/git-repo/repo | 13:57 |
| Sythe_ZN | Cos http://android.git.kernel.org/repo was giving me 404 | 13:59 |
| helicopter88 | Sythe_ZN: the one you have is the right one | 13:59 |
| Sythe_ZN | So that's not the prob then... | 14:00 |
| rpierce99 | why would you ever download an executable over ssl? /confused | 14:01 |
| Sythe_ZN | Well, what diff's it make? | 14:02 |
| rpierce99 | other than a few ms of extra latency for you, nothing, i'm just surprised that's the URL google is putting out there, because for them it's a lot of extra overhead | 14:03 |
| arrrghhh | Sythe_ZN, what are you trying to achieve exactly | 14:03 |
| arrrghhh | with this whole building experiment you're attempting | 14:03 |
| Sythe_ZN | Well, what's the alternative for raph? | 14:04 |
| arrrghhh | what do you mean | 14:04 |
| arrrghhh | there are prebuilt images.. | 14:04 |
| arrrghhh | it's the same for any device | 14:04 |
| arrrghhh | all the same tree | 14:04 |
| Sythe_ZN | I mean it's kinda hard to make changes without building | 14:05 |
| arrrghhh | just curious what changes you're planning on making i guess | 14:05 |
| arrrghhh | and it's actually easier to make changes without building IMHO | 14:06 |
| arrrghhh | (depending on the changes you plan on making, of course) | 14:06 |
| helicopter88 | can't someone build gb just for having a own baked gb? | 14:06 |
| Sythe_ZN | I'm not sure just yet... I guess it depends on what I find | 14:06 |
| Sythe_ZN | Ram tests're not revealing much... | 14:07 |
| arrrghhh | helicopter88, of course they can | 14:07 |
| arrrghhh | but he seems to be going thru quite a lot for this... | 14:08 |
| Sythe_ZN | Lemme try again with -j5 n see | 14:08 |
| helicopter88 | ehm,i've spent a whole day to sync and compile ICS just to check out how much time it took :) | 14:08 |
| Sythe_ZN | How else do I learn? | 14:09 |
| arrrghhh | there's lots of other ways to learn | 14:10 |
| arrrghhh | but ok | 14:10 |
| Sythe_ZN | I dunno... I guess I learn best by doing | 14:10 |
| Sythe_ZN | Reading just gives info, not experience | 14:11 |
| Sythe_ZN | Watching driving videos doesn't mean you can drive :_ | 14:11 |
| rpierce99 | Sythe_ZN: don't worry about arrrghhh, when he doesn't know the answer to a question he defaults to "you shouldn't do it" | 14:17 |
| rpierce99 | texting isn't working? you shouldn't text :P | 14:17 |
| Sythe_ZN | rpierce99, lol I go the same way at times :P | 14:18 |
| Sythe_ZN | Oi I dunno what's going on here... gotta find the bottleneck | 14:19 |
| Sythe_ZN | After a clean bootimage took about 6 mins | 14:20 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, well. | 14:21 |
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| arrrghhh | you remember mankineko trying to "help" that guy with partitions? | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | and the 3-day saga the ensued? | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | some people just aren't cut out for this stuff. | 14:21 |
| rpierce99 | and that's not for you to decide "i'm not going to help" is much different than "you shouldn't do this" | 14:21 |
| * sythezn cries like a little girl | 14:21 | |
| sythezn | after a clean, bootimage took about 6 mins :? | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, when is that decision made? | 14:23 |
| sythezn | and hdd's don't seem to be doing much | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | so going back to the driving thing, if a 9-year-old wants to learn how to drive, we should let them? | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | lolol | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | meh. enjoy rpierce99. | 14:24 |
| sythezn | used to work :P on farms in old rovers | 14:24 |
| rpierce99 | we should, because it doesn't matter to us, their parents should not, are you sythezn's mommy | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | it's mostly for my sanity | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | but that's always on a razor thin wire anyways | 14:24 |
| sythezn | arrrghhh, i'd lend you my sanity, but evidently it's broken | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:25 |
| sythezn | i'm not trying to be a pain, really... i just want to figure this out | 14:26 |
| sythezn | please forgive my ignorance | 14:26 |
| sythezn | still building :? | 14:56 |
| sythezn | i don't get it | 14:56 |
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| Achill | hi i want to install android in my htc | 15:21 |
| Achill | i have htc touch diamond | 15:21 |
| Achill | can anybody help me ? | 15:21 |
| Achill | anyone? | 15:24 |
| arrrghhh | Achill, where are you getting stuck | 15:24 |
| arrrghhh | you also might want to wait for someone to respond :P | 15:24 |
| Achill | i download these files | 15:25 |
| Achill | http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Downloads | 15:25 |
| Achill | now | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171070 | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | i would use that post | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | it's for the touchpro, but it's pretty similar to the diam | 15:26 |
| Achill | ok | 15:27 |
| Achill | i want to tell you something | 15:28 |
| Achill | when i click on haret.exe | 15:28 |
| Achill | the mobile restart | 15:28 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 15:28 |
| arrrghhh | did you follow the directions? | 15:28 |
| Achill | yeap | 15:28 |
| Achill | not from this post | 15:28 |
| arrrghhh | please do | 15:28 |
| Achill | ok | 15:28 |
| arrrghhh | many important steps | 15:29 |
| Achill | ok ok | 15:29 |
| Achill | i go now | 15:29 |
| arrrghhh | np | 15:29 |
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| Achill | arrrghhh | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | yes? | 15:34 |
| Achill | im getting this screen | 15:34 |
| Achill | http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8674/errorzee.jpg | 15:34 |
| Achill | when i click on haret.ext | 15:34 |
| Achill | exe | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | startup.txt | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | you didn't copy it | 15:34 |
| Achill | i copy :/ | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | please read the directions carefully | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | re-read if need be | 15:34 |
| Achill | i extract all files from full bandle | 15:35 |
| Achill | i realy do | 15:35 |
| Achill | did* | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 15:35 |
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| arrrghhh | if you're running haret without a startup.txt | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | or the startup.txt is empty | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | you'll get that screen | 15:35 |
| Achill | http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9264/fasdfd.jpg | 15:37 |
| Achill | these is files on internal storage | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | they should be on your SD | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | or what is your SD on your diamond | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see a startup.txt -_- | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | you said you copied it...? | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | it's not there. | 15:38 |
| Achill | i extract all files | 15:38 |
| Achill | from full bundle | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | and read all directions | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | which tells you to grab the startup for your device | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | Step #3 | 15:38 |
| Achill | if is in the root | 15:42 |
| Achill | what must to write ? | 15:42 |
| Achill | \root ? | 15:42 |
| helicopter88 | nothing | 15:42 |
| helicopter88 | remove rel_path | 15:43 |
| Achill | ok startup.txt is ok | 15:43 |
| arrrghhh | Achill, root = no folders | 15:43 |
| Achill | not working | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | might need a little more to go off of than that | 15:45 |
| Achill | but im sure i do right | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure... | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | you mind describing "not working" a little? | 15:46 |
| Achill | want to remote control my pc | 15:46 |
| Achill | to see ? | 15:46 |
| arrrghhh | not really | 15:46 |
| Achill | please help me | 15:46 |
| arrrghhh | i am | 15:46 |
| Achill | for you is 1 min job | 15:46 |
| arrrghhh | please describe what's wrong on your phone | 15:47 |
| arrrghhh | why didn't it work | 15:47 |
| arrrghhh | what's not working | 15:47 |
| arrrghhh | what happened | 15:47 |
| arrrghhh | the screenshots were good, they told me you didn't grab the startup.txt | 15:47 |
| arrrghhh | it's difficult at first, i know | 15:47 |
| Achill | i extract this file: http://files.xdandroid.com/FRX07.1_Full_Bundle_20110901.zip in my root of my internal strorage and i go from my mobile in file explorer and i click in haret.exe | 15:48 |
| Achill | that what i did | 15:48 |
| Achill | is on a root , and the startup.txt hasnt rel_path | 15:48 |
| Achill | so the startup.txt is ok | 15:48 |
| Achill | now whats going wrong | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | dude | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | you need to place a startup.txt file where you are running haret.exe from | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | go into the STARTUPS folder | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | find your phone | 15:49 |
| Achill | ok | 15:49 |
| Achill | ok | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | copy the startup.txt | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 15:49 |
| Achill | ok now the phone restarts | 15:50 |
| Achill | and it didnt show android screen | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | what did it show | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | what startup.txt did you grab | 15:51 |
| Achill | nothing, it restarts | 15:51 |
| arrrghhh | what startup.txt did you grab | 15:51 |
| helicopter88 | arrrghhh will say it once more,then i'll start running and screaming,something bad will happen | 15:52 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:52 |
| helicopter88 | Achill: can you pastebin your startup? | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:55 |
| Achill | yes | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | yeesh... | 15:55 |
| Achill | http://pastebin.com/G2eX5jqW | 15:56 |
| helicopter88 | you have a diamond? | 15:56 |
| Achill | yes | 15:56 |
| Achill | p3700 | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | which one | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | diam500 | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | diam100 | 15:56 |
| Achill | 500 | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | i think there's a 200 that surfaced | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | ah crap | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | CDMA? | 15:56 |
| Achill | y | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | you're not going to get data connectivity. | 15:57 |
| Achill | no | 15:57 |
| Achill | i remove the cable | 15:57 |
| arrrghhh | no i'm telling you | 15:58 |
| arrrghhh | if you have a data plan with your provider | 15:58 |
| helicopter88 | Achill,is your windows mobile rom overclocked? | 15:58 |
| arrrghhh | you're not going to get data connectivity | 15:58 |
| helicopter88 | or you run some overclocking app in wm? | 15:58 |
| Achill | overclocked is ? | 15:58 |
| Achill | i havent original rom | 15:58 |
| Achill | now | 15:58 |
| helicopter88 | Diamond's cpu goes at 528 MHz | 15:58 |
| arrrghhh | haven't or have | 15:58 |
| Achill | havent's | 15:59 |
| Achill | havent* | 15:59 |
| Achill | arrrghhh | 15:59 |
| helicopter88 | what rom do you have? | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | ^^ | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | some come overclocked | 15:59 |
| Achill | hmm i dont remember , i installed long time ago | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | well if winmo is overclocked | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | android won't boot | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | i don't remember the symptoms, but these sound fishy. | 16:00 |
| Achill | so i cant use android | 16:00 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 16:00 |
| arrrghhh | you can't use android if winmo is overclocked, no. | 16:00 |
| Achill | how can i fix it ? | 16:01 |
| arrrghhh | turn the clock down to stock 528 in winmo, android will boot fine | 16:01 |
| Achill | and how can i do that ? | 16:01 |
| arrrghhh | well, i've never overclocked winmo | 16:01 |
| arrrghhh | there's probably some app | 16:01 |
| helicopter88 | damn,i can't remember that name! | 16:01 |
| arrrghhh | Achill, use a good ROM | 16:02 |
| arrrghhh | that doesn't overclock out of the box. | 16:02 |
| Achill | so must underclock my cpu | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | no | 16:05 |
| arrrghhh | you must not overclock | 16:05 |
| arrrghhh | 528mhz is stock | 16:05 |
| arrrghhh | no under or overclock | 16:05 |
| Achill | ok | 16:05 |
| arrrghhh | stock clock | 16:05 |
| Achill | no | 16:13 |
| Achill | its not working ether | 16:13 |
| Achill | my clock is on 528 mhz | 16:13 |
| Achill | but still dont work | 16:14 |
| Achill | mobile restarts | 16:14 |
| arrrghhh | i'm... not sure what else would cause that | 16:17 |
| arrrghhh | i guess try a different kernel... | 16:17 |
| arrrghhh | http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Incremental_Updates | 16:18 |
| arrrghhh | kernel = zImage | 16:18 |
| Achill | same | 16:33 |
| Achill | let it go arrrghhh ty for help | 16:33 |
| Achill | i stay with windows | 16:33 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 16:34 |
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| sythezn | okay, so i've been going through the build/target/product and i dont have full_msm defined... anyone know what it should contain? | 18:48 |
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| mgross029 | sythezn, Are you referrring to out/target/product/msm? | 19:33 |
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