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| SytheZN | Greetings all round | 08:43 |
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| ryannathans | hai | 08:45 |
| SytheZN | how goes it? | 08:45 |
| ryannathans | nto bad | 08:45 |
| ryannathans | notbad | 08:45 |
| SytheZN | kewl :D | 08:45 |
| ryannathans | man i can't spell | 08:45 |
| SytheZN | haha "P | 08:45 |
| SytheZN | just a thought... you wouldn't know anything about the raph100 usb stack could you? | 08:46 |
| SytheZN | *would even | 08:46 |
| ryannathans | sadly not | 08:47 |
| * ryannathans is learning C | 08:47 | |
| ryannathans | woot | 08:47 |
| SytheZN | darn | 08:47 |
| SytheZN | schweet | 08:47 |
| SytheZN | i'm stuck with MS C# bleh | 08:48 |
| SytheZN | I'm trying to build an FRX07 rom for the raph100, but before I continue i need to work out wy I can't get xdandroid to connect w/ my windows machine as usb storage | 08:49 |
| SytheZN | *why | 08:49 |
| SytheZN | for some reason when I connect it it returns vid_0000 and pid_0000 | 08:50 |
| SytheZN | so windows returns unknown device | 08:51 |
| SytheZN | been searching the forums but i'm not finding much to help | 08:51 |
| ryannathans | are you using a partitioned build | 08:59 |
| ryannathans | it wont work unless you do | 08:59 |
| SytheZN | partitioned? | 08:59 |
| helicopter88 | Have you made partitions on the sdcard? | 09:00 |
| SytheZN | ah, no i havent | 09:00 |
| helicopter88 | then it won't work | 09:00 |
| SytheZN | what shoud the partitons contain? | 09:00 |
| helicopter88 | one is for system,one is for data | 09:01 |
| helicopter88 | and the other one is for rootfs,i think | 09:01 |
| SytheZN | you mean as opposed to using data.mg for system storage? | 09:01 |
| SytheZN | i see... | 09:01 |
| SytheZN | --begins further reasearch | 09:02 |
| helicopter88 | I don't know exactly how's xdandroid partition layout | 09:02 |
| SytheZN | thanx | 09:03 |
| helicopter88 | ok,found | 09:04 |
| helicopter88 | partition 3 is for system | 09:04 |
| helicopter88 | partition 4 is for data | 09:04 |
| SytheZN | nad part 1 & 2? | 09:05 |
| SytheZN | *and | 09:05 |
| helicopter88 | partition 1 is fat32,with haret and everything else | 09:05 |
| helicopter88 | partition 2,idk,isn't mounted by init | 09:05 |
| SytheZN | i see... | 09:06 |
| SytheZN | so I'd need to create a zero or v.small part to separate them | 09:06 |
| SytheZN | another, proboaly noob, question... is it possible to boot from device storage on the raph? | 09:07 |
| helicopter88 | as far as i know,no,isn't possible | 09:07 |
| SytheZN | hmmm | 09:07 |
| helicopter88 | about the partition,unless you have a small sd-card,make it 20-30 mb,maybe initrd uses it | 09:07 |
| SytheZN | do you know if it's an issue with the drivers for the internal storeage? | 09:08 |
| SytheZN | *storage | 09:08 |
| SytheZN | ah ok... | 09:08 |
| helicopter88 | Maybe,is because of the fs | 09:08 |
| SytheZN | and the system partition would be +- 256MB? | 09:09 |
| SytheZN | ah oki. | 09:09 |
| helicopter88 | system,at least 150 mb | 09:09 |
| helicopter88 | data,how much you want,256 is good,but if you have plan to install a lot of apps,make it bigger | 09:09 |
| SytheZN | so theoretically if I can get my rom to reformat the internal storage with ext2 on a cold boot, i could get xdandroid to utilise it | 09:10 |
| helicopter88 | I've never researched more about it,and those days i'm not even messing with sdcard builds | 09:10 |
| SytheZN | yeah well, i don't use winmo anymore so dont need much space on the sd | 09:10 |
| SytheZN | ah... | 09:11 |
| SytheZN | so what are you focusing on? if i may | 09:11 |
| helicopter88 | currently,cm6 on x1 nand | 09:11 |
| SytheZN | kewl | 09:11 |
| helicopter88 | if i can boot it,pheraps frx07 on nand would be cool too | 09:12 |
| SytheZN | yeah, should be schweet | 09:12 |
| SytheZN | do you know how much of the rom hardware init is required before initrd takes over? | 09:13 |
| helicopter88 | what do you mean? | 09:13 |
| helicopter88 | how much rom space is taken by initrd? | 09:14 |
| SytheZN | i mean, atm tall of the device hardware is initialised by winmo boot before haret launches, right | 09:14 |
| SytheZN | ? | 09:14 |
| helicopter88 | Yes,all the hw is initialized by wm | 09:15 |
| SytheZN | my q then is; what hardware isn't re-iitailised by the initrd | 09:15 |
| SytheZN | ah... | 09:15 |
| helicopter88 | but there's now just a few of pieces of hw initialized by wm | 09:15 |
| helicopter88 | *now there's | 09:15 |
| helicopter88 | because newer kernels and initrd can initialize most of them | 09:16 |
| SytheZN | so I'd have to low level debug the boot process to find out what exactly winmo's doing, so i can replicate it in the rom init | 09:16 |
| SytheZN | i see | 09:16 |
| SytheZN | thanks for the info... | 09:17 |
| SytheZN | brb | 09:17 |
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| SytheZN | just to clear things up... | 11:41 |
| SytheZN | does the system partition need to contain the contents of the system.ext2 file | 11:43 |
| SytheZN | ie. mount it as a loop device and copy the contents to the new partition | 11:43 |
| SytheZN | or does it need to contain the system.ext2 file itself? | 11:43 |
| helicopter88 | mount and copy | 11:44 |
| SytheZN | ta | 11:44 |
| SytheZN | okay, and part 4 if for data... is 1gb okay or will it slow things down? | 11:47 |
| SytheZN | *is | 11:47 |
| SytheZN | just a thought, you dont think partition 3 is used for swap? | 11:50 |
| SytheZN | *part 2 i mean | 11:50 |
| helicopter88 | part 2 isn't mounted by init | 11:57 |
| helicopter88 | so it's not used | 11:57 |
| helicopter88 | I've heard that it can be rootfs | 11:58 |
| SytheZN | hmmm... could i format it as swap and mount it? | 11:58 |
| helicopter88 | ofc,you can use it how you want | 11:58 |
| SytheZN | no, i mean would the kernel/os be able to use the partition as swap or is it moot? | 11:59 |
| helicopter88 | I guess that if you run mount,you can mount it | 11:59 |
| SytheZN | okay, but would it be used, or would i have to alter the config? | 12:00 |
| helicopter88 | idk | 12:06 |
| SytheZN | m'kay... thanks tho | 12:06 |
| helicopter88 | maybe it's something in froyo.user.conf | 12:09 |
| SytheZN | tx, I'll take a look | 12:09 |
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| arrrghhh | oh well | 12:17 |
| arrrghhh | he can use swap | 12:18 |
| arrrghhh | but the results are less than impressive... | 12:18 |
| scottrea | argh, have you ever come across a bug where frx071 will not recieve sms on a cdma system, only send? | 12:33 |
| arrrghhh | well there's an issue there with asking me that question | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | i don't use typical SMS | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | i use Google Voice | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | but i think fishingmedic had something similar | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | detule released a modified version of hyc's RIL and supposedly it fixed fishingmedic's problems | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | his were mostly missing calls tho | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if he had any SMS problems... | 12:35 |
| scottrea | vocie seems to be no issue for me | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | yea it uses data | 12:35 |
| arrrghhh | unless you have it send you a SMS, and disabled the app itself i guess | 12:36 |
| arrrghhh | which, i've never done :P | 12:36 |
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| scottrea | where is the best location for tp2 radio roms, getting alot of dead links on ppc and xda | 14:16 |
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| SytheZN | greet-ing-z | 17:56 |
| SytheZN | so... I've partitioned my memcd; formatted the partitions fat32, ext2, ext2, ext2; copied the contents of system.ext2 to the system partition (2); copied the contents of data.img to the data partition (4), copied the remainder of the files (initrd etc) to my primary partition (0). | 17:59 |
| SytheZN | before i try booting, is there anything i need to configure differently to a "standard"/"normal" setup? | 18:00 |
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| SytheZN | the joys of south african ISP's :'( | 18:17 |
| SytheZN | sooo... | 18:18 |
| SytheZN | any thoughts on the above? | 18:19 |
| arrrghhh | undo everything you've just done | 18:22 |
| SytheZN | nooooooooo | 18:22 |
| SytheZN | why? | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | because it's an unsupported configuration | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | feel free to use it, the rootfs is perfectly capable of handling it | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | but don't ask for help/support concerning it... | 18:23 |
| SytheZN | ah | 18:23 |
| SytheZN | well I'm trying to build a rom... | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 18:24 |
| SytheZN | so i'm guessing i won't find much help on this either? | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | i don't understand what you mean "build a rom" | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | unless you're just compiling the source, which has already been done for you. | 18:24 |
| SytheZN | well... I'm working with a stock raph100 winmo rom | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | uh | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | what does winmo have to do with this conversation? :P | 18:25 |
| SytheZN | i'm attempting to separate the hardware and other inits from the ms crap so I can build a native xdandroid rom | 18:26 |
| SytheZN | lol :P | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | native? | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | as in, flashing Android over WinMo? | 18:26 |
| SytheZN | ie, not requiring winmo to boot | 18:26 |
| SytheZN | exactly | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | you've got a lot of work ahead of you. | 18:27 |
| SytheZN | lol | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | ACL's gotten it to work on RHOD's | 18:27 |
| SytheZN | yeah i know... | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | so you *might* be able to look at his work | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | but seriously | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | that is an undertaking. | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | and your risk of bricking goes from 0 to 100. | 18:28 |
| SytheZN | but fortunately i've got a box full of raph100's to brick | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | there's 0 brick risk running off the SD... | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | seriously? | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | how'd you get a box of raph100's. | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | maybe i don't want to know... | 18:28 |
| SytheZN | lol i paid R200 for them at an auction sale | 18:28 |
| SytheZN | some company closed down or something | 18:28 |
| SytheZN | got about 50 working, and about another 20 or so for spares | 18:29 |
| arrrghhh | jeebus | 18:29 |
| SytheZN | yeah :P couldn't keep my hands off em | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | so you paid $25 for 'em? jeez | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | that's insane/unheard of. | 18:30 |
| SytheZN | 1 usd = +- 9.50 zar | 18:30 |
| SytheZN | yeah well... odd things happen when people run outta money | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:31 |
| SytheZN | i'm not sure what the company did, but there was all sorts of phone & electronics bits there | 18:31 |
| SytheZN | only problem is i've only got 2 chargers for the lot | 18:32 |
| * SytheZN 'll brb | 18:32 | |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | 2 chargers for 70 phones | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | epic | 18:33 |
| SytheZN | haha | 18:34 |
| SytheZN | i haven't had much time to play with em yet | 18:35 |
| SytheZN | probably find they're blacklisted or summin | 18:35 |
| arrrghhh | eh for GSM i didn't think that mattered | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know tho | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | i thought only the SIM could get blacklisted...? | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | i guess the IMEI could | 18:36 |
| SytheZN | yeah i've come across blackisted phones here before... | 18:37 |
| SytheZN | anyways, it doesnn't affect me using them for dev :P | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | true | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | assuming you don't care about activating the device, ever :P | 18:38 |
| SytheZN | so back to the prior q... | 18:38 |
| SytheZN | haha true... if i need connectivity i can still use wifi | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | what prior question? | 18:38 |
| SytheZN | do you know of anything else i need to alter to get xdandroid to boot w/ the 4 parts? | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | sigh | 18:39 |
| SytheZN | i mean in terms of config or initrd | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | a) i don't see how this is getting you any closer to NAND flashing Android | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | b) it's not supported. | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | i'm no expert on NAND | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | but i would think the first step would be to sort out memory maps | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | basically what is safe to overwrite, and what isn't. | 18:40 |
| SytheZN | hmmm | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see how partitioning your SD card is helping you get closer to NAND... at all. | 18:40 |
| SytheZN | well as far as i understand, the roms consist of 3 parts... the equivalent of a bios, the radio stack and the rom fs | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | are you talking about winmo? | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | cuz that's not really the structure of Android layout | 18:41 |
| SytheZN | not really... | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:42 |
| SytheZN | as far as i understand these devices run in much the same way as your average deskop pc | 18:42 |
| SytheZN | ie the bios initailises the hardware and passes off to the os | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | not quite the right terms, but yea | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | the bootloader == BIOS in this case | 18:43 |
| SytheZN | yeah | 18:43 |
| SytheZN | so basically from what i gather i need to write an equivalent to haret to run as a pre kernel kernel | 18:44 |
| SytheZN | basically so the bootloader can hand off to "haret" and from there the process is pretty much the same as always | 18:45 |
| SytheZN | apart from the data access locations of course | 18:45 |
| SytheZN | thus my question about the memory card... | 18:45 |
| arrrghhh | well that parts already done | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | tinboot/LK | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | just port it to the RAPH | 18:46 |
| SytheZN | one of the things i need to do is to create a working filesystem to replace the winmo data | 18:46 |
| SytheZN | i see :d | 18:46 |
| SytheZN | i'll look into it | 18:46 |
| SytheZN | thanks | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | k | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | good luck | 18:47 |
| SytheZN | ta | 18:47 |
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| SytheZN | my idea is to produce a "rom image" if you will on a 512mb memcd which i can then use to build the actual rom | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think it works like that. | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | at least, the work you're doing won't actually help you going to a NAND flash.... | 18:49 |
| SytheZN | part of the prob at the moment is that the first xdandroid boot creates the config etc for the device, if i'm not wrong | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | well | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | it creates the data.img | 18:49 |
| SytheZN | yeah | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | it's just a dd statement | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | creates an empty file system in a file in order to be loop mounted while in Android | 18:50 |
| SytheZN | ah | 18:50 |
| SytheZN | so technically i don't need the data partition at all | 18:50 |
| arrrghhh | on native Android devices, recovery does all the dirty work there | 18:51 |
| arrrghhh | well | 18:51 |
| arrrghhh | you do | 18:51 |
| arrrghhh | Android needs a data partition | 18:51 |
| SytheZN | yeah but it would be stored in persistant storage, not in rom | 18:51 |
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| arrrghhh | but anyhoo, recovery is what formats the partitions & sets them up for usage | 18:51 |
| arrrghhh | copies over the system files, sets up permissions, etc. | 18:51 |
| mgross029 | arrrghhh, yo | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | hey mgross029 | 18:52 |
| SytheZN | hmmm... seems like a have a lot to learn | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 18:52 |
| mgross029 | arrrghhh, How's things? Still working well? | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | there's a lot of complicating things to getting NAND working | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | complicated* | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | mgross029, yup | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | SytheZN, is being ballsy tho | 18:53 |
| mgross029 | Cool | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | thinking he can partition his SD card and get it flashed to his internal memory :P | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | SytheZN, the main problem is it's a winmo device | 18:53 |
| SytheZN | hey, it's an idea | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | we have to completely replace the installation system | 18:53 |
| SytheZN | :P fail or not, it's the learning curve i'm after | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | unless someone is so crazy they get rid of the WinMo bootloader | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | and write their own bootloader | 18:54 |
| mgross029 | arrrghhh, sounds like he wants to boot to grub and then do a boot from his SD? heh | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | mgross029, eh i guess | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | it seems easy on paper | 18:54 |
| SytheZN | not quite | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | install android to internal memory | 18:54 |
| mgross029 | Always does | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | hah | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:54 |
| SytheZN | what i'm trying to do is essentially create the partition i'm going to put in rom on a memcd so i can raw write the blocks into the rom image | 18:55 |
| SytheZN | although i may be overshooting -blush- | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | overshooting | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | oversimplifying | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | whatever | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:56 |
| SytheZN | lol true | 18:56 |
| * SytheZN never expected an easy road to follow | 18:56 | |
| arrrghhh | well that's good | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | like i said | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | look at ACL's work on tinboot and LK | 18:57 |
| SytheZN | atm i'm just trying to work out where to start and to get an image in my head of what exactly needs to be done to reach the pot of gold | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:58 |
| SytheZN | yeah, thanks again :) | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | np | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | what languages do you know if you don't mind me asking? | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | we always can use moar developers | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | especially for RAPH, not many dedicated devs left for that device | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | about 0 last time i counted :P | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | emwe has one, but he's by no means dedicated to it. | 18:59 |
| SytheZN | well, i dev in C# professionally, but i work with c in my spare time | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | C# won't be useful here | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | but C is :P | 19:00 |
| SytheZN | lol true | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | and linux knowledge is helpful | 19:00 |
| SytheZN | syntax is almost identical | 19:00 |
| mgross029 | arrrghhh, maybe he can write us a boot menu system. :p | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | mgross029, lol | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | he's got ~70 RAPH's to brick | 19:01 |
| SytheZN | well i've been using linux since i was 6 | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | SytheZN, nice | 19:01 |
| SytheZN | that only gives me 18 years exp tho :P | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | hah | 19:02 |
| SytheZN | :D | 19:02 |
| SytheZN | hehe | 19:02 |
| mgross029 | It's always fun to have hardware you can beat the crap out of. :p | 19:02 |
| SytheZN | anyways, i've gotta run... 6 hours to work and still a beer calling my name | 19:03 |
| * SytheZN would appreciate any help he can get | 19:03 | |
| arrrghhh | i won't be able to provide much | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | but i can get you in touch with devs that can | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | and the mailing list is great if you've got something specific bugging you. | 19:04 |
| SytheZN | i'd appreciate it | 19:04 |
| SytheZN | thanks | 19:04 |
| arrrghhh | np | 19:04 |
| SytheZN | more is 'n nog 'n dag | 19:04 |
| SytheZN | cheers :D | 19:04 |
| * SytheZN waves | 19:05 | |
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| mgross029 | arrrghhh, picked up a cheapo ereader to mess with. Pantech Digital 7" PRD07T20WBL1... Still looking around for a good ROM to flash to it. It is still on Cupcake. bleh. :p | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | kindle fire looks good | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | if you want a cheapo e-reader, not a full-blown tablet. | 19:13 |
| mgross029 | Yeah, but my wife got one of these for free so I got one for $80 to test out new roms on before I blow hers up. :p | 19:14 |
| mgross029 | They actually have a rom that changes the interface to an Android, but like I said it's still Cupcake | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:15 |
| mgross029 | Has some crappy SAM market that is worthless | 19:15 |
| mgross029 | The processor seems the same as the Rhod | 19:15 |
| mgross029 | 528Mhz ArmV6 | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | ew. | 19:16 |
| mgross029 | I thought about trying some of acl's nand fun on it. HA! | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahaha | 19:18 |
| mgross029 | Give me a month and I'll probably brick it... :p | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | HEH | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 19:19 |
| mgross029 | I think I actually found someone that already rooted it and has it up to 2.2, so I'll have to check that out | 19:20 |
| mgross029 | Says there market works but buggy, Of course when is it not buggy on any device? heh | 19:21 |
| mgross029 | Oh well later dude. Just stopped in to see if anything was going on. Take it easy. | 19:25 |
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| cheeto12345676 | hey | 21:51 |
| cheeto12345676 | i was just curious to see if anyone had used frx7.1 on the rhodium tp2 | 21:52 |
| cheeto12345676 | anhyone? | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | a few people have | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | why | 21:53 |
| cheeto12345676 | just want to know if its worth using over custom winmo roms | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | if you hate WinMo with a passion, probably | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | if you're fine with WinMo, then probably not | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | but there's absolutely no risk... | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | only thing you're out is some time | 21:54 |
| cheeto12345676 | eh winmo is frustrating | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | i can't stand it | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | haven't used it on my TP2 in over a year... | 21:54 |
| cheeto12345676 | have u seen any drawbacks to using it | 21:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | like.. power consumption, or dropped calls | 21:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | i use the phone primarily for a business, and winmo can barely take calls | 21:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | mem usage is always peaked, and the apps suck | 21:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | would u say that frx701 is usable as a fulltime os? | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | for me, yes | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | sorry eating... | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | power consumption on winmo is pretty stellar believe it or not | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | android... in general isn't so good at it | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | and our port isn't perfect here either | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | i've heard if you disable data tho, usage is almost on-par with winmo | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | but who wants a phone w/o data... | 21:58 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol i dont pay for a data plan | 21:58 |
| cheeto12345676 | but does that mean wifi is disabled? | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | nah | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | wifi works | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | most things work | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | bt is a little shaky | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | was just recently enabled | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | the cam could use some polish, it's hit or miss for me | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | but i love android | 21:59 |
| arrrghhh | totally worth it for me | 21:59 |
| cheeto12345676 | alright... i guess that answers my 'should i wait till next release' | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | nah | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | won't be a new one for a while | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | will be GB | 22:00 |
| cheeto12345676 | i definitely prefer android over winmo anyyyy day | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | but it's got a ways | 22:00 |
| cheeto12345676 | gb? | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | gingerbread | 22:00 |
| cheeto12345676 | oh gingers | 22:00 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 22:00 |
| arrrghhh | ja | 22:00 |
| cheeto12345676 | haha no ice cream? | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | no source :P | 22:01 |
| cheeto12345676 | an icecream style launcher would be cool ! :D | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | and i fear the hardware requirements of ICS' eye candy isn't going to fly on our phones | 22:01 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:01 |
| cheeto12345676 | yea, any specific tweaks you'd recoommend using with the tp2 | 22:02 |
| cheeto12345676 | after i put frx7o1? | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | mah speed improvements thread :D | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | memory management (IIRC topic #5) is by far the most effective | 22:02 |
| cheeto12345676 | u got a link to that ? | 22:02 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | don't be lazy :P | 22:03 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol ok | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218458 | 22:03 |
| cheeto12345676 | many thanks | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | np | 22:03 |
| cheeto12345676 | kick ass this was just what i was looking for | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | ;) | 22:04 |
| cheeto12345676 | hey do u have it overclocked | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | not right now | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | but i was running 710 for a long time | 22:10 |
| cheeto12345676 | u think it wears the device out faster? or battery? | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | might have some negative effects on the battery | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | not long-term | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | just will chew thru it faster | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | but i don't think it would be significantly different to be honest. | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | wouldn't wear out the device faster | 22:11 |
| cheeto12345676 | have u used this v6 supercharger thing? its purpose is semi vague.. | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | yes, of course i've used it | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | just set option #8 | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | that's all you need | 22:15 |
| cheeto12345676 | sounds good! | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | it basically adjusts the built-in settings for Android's memory management | 22:16 |
| cheeto12345676 | ahhhh | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | our phones seem to really benefit from crazy aggressive settings :P | 22:16 |
| cheeto12345676 | nice | 22:16 |
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| cheeto12345676 | is there any difference which radio rom is installed? im using the oldest one... | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | usually newer = better | 22:37 |
| arrrghhh | but it *should* work fine | 22:40 |
| cheeto12345676 | sweet, just cant sacrifice my abilities, like reciving calls n what not | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | sometimes the phone 'has issues' waking to receive a call | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | it is an annoying bug, but some people say they don't have any problems with it | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | all i can say is try it out | 22:43 |
| cheeto12345676 | do u know of a way to disable the data completely and only use wifi? | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | uh | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | uncheck enable data? | 23:03 |
| cheeto12345676 | hehe i knew u were the guy i wanted to talk to | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | it is on by default | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | but easily disabled. if you don't have a data plan, it shouldn't even connect | 23:04 |
| cheeto12345676 | :( wifi isnt working out of the box.. | 23:04 |
| cheeto12345676 | keeps shutting off.. | 23:04 |
| cheeto12345676 | and im roaming | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | for some the MAC address of your wlan card isn't propagated to Android | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | sooo in the FAQ there's a trick to get wifi working | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | makes me wish we did just use random MAC's... | 23:12 |
| cheeto12345676 | hmm wheres my mac again lol | 23:15 |
| cheeto12345676 | nvm found it | 23:17 |
| cheeto12345676 | no terminal? | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | in Android? | 23:25 |
| cheeto12345676 | ya | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | yea, there isn't one included by default | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | unfortunately we're not on engineering builds | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | so it's no longer part of the build... | 23:26 |
| cheeto12345676 | :( | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | ConnectBot is good | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | i'll be nice | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12691845/ConnectBot.apk | 23:27 |
| cheeto12345676 | thanks | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | i can't remember if i included that in androidapp | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | androidapps* | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | that would be a 'no' | 23:31 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | i should add that and a file explorer | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | and quit touching it | 23:31 |
| cheeto12345676 | and the speed tweaks lol | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | eh can't really add those into the build | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | well, the minfree settings can be | 23:35 |
| arrrghhh | and emwe was talking about finding a sweet spot there and putting it in the rootfs. | 23:35 |
| arrrghhh | but i'm not going to for example force OC on users :P | 23:35 |
| cheeto12345676 | right, but the easy non overclocking settings | 23:36 |
| cheeto12345676 | thats a big sellin point on the update | 23:36 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | yea, not sure if there will be any more FroYo releases | 23:37 |
| cheeto12345676 | fo sho | 23:37 |
| cheeto12345676 | no point | 23:37 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | maybe if there's enough things fixed upstream to justify it... | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | devs are focused on GB | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | pretty much 100% AFAIK | 23:37 |
| cheeto12345676 | looking forward to that! | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | there's a GB build out | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | but yea, it's not nearly as stable as FroYo... | 23:37 |
| cheeto12345676 | ya not worth using long term | 23:38 |
| cheeto12345676 | yet | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | unfortunately, not yet... | 23:38 |
| cheeto12345676 | i just want a non frustrating phone | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:38 |
| cheeto12345676 | its already better then stock win mo | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | might just want to buy a native device | 23:38 |
| cheeto12345676 | even with wifi broken | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | android w/o data is kinda boring :P | 23:38 |
| cheeto12345676 | its like pizza without sauce | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | that sucks your mac wasn't detected | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think anyone figured out why some work and others don't | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if it's the stock SPL... | 23:39 |
| cheeto12345676 | yea i was on 1.87whatever | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | might be it | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | not sure anyone really looked into it that deeply | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | the solution was just to create random MAC's lol | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | have the first 6 or so 'octets' static | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | but then the last 6 random | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | er last 4? | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | man i can't count | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | first 4 static, last 2 random... | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | i think it's bedtime. | 23:42 |
| cheeto12345676 | hehe but u can cook a rom! thats whats up | 23:42 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:42 |
| cheeto12345676 | awww i dont wannt roam forever | 23:43 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | roam? | 23:44 |
| cheeto12345676 | yea its reporting roaming, little triangle and lockscreen info | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | what carrier? | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | which device? | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | (RHODXXX) | 23:45 |
| cheeto12345676 | verizon rhod400 i believe | 23:45 |
| cheeto12345676 | sorry pageplus | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | vz is 500 | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | and pageplus? | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | is that some regional carrier? | 23:46 |
| cheeto12345676 | yea its awesome | 23:46 |
| cheeto12345676 | talk n text for 45 | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | sounds awful :P | 23:46 |
| cheeto12345676 | and 20 mb of data | 23:46 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | i'm lucky tho | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | anyhoo | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | you'll probably have to customize your eri.xml | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | although i thought that was all fixed up on FRX07.1... | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not really clear on how they fixed it | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | the provider should say "XDAndroid" | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | does it? | 23:47 |
| cheeto12345676 | one sec | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | s/b on the lock screen | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | or when you pull down the notification toolbar | 23:48 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: i need a gnome fanboy | 23:52 |
| cheeto12345676 | pull down bar is being lameee | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, but i'm a kde fanboy | 23:52 |
| stinebd | i'm sick of kde | 23:52 |
| stinebd | super sick | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | gnome3? | 23:52 |
| stinebd | i guess | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 23:52 |
| cheeto12345676 | after making a call the carrier goes to roam | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | you could run... UNITY | 23:53 |
| stinebd | it appears you can't have it adjust backlight based on battery state | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | cheeto12345676, that's... odd | 23:53 |
| cheeto12345676 | :( | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | i'm guessing there's something that wasn't accounted for on your provider | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | but you're not actually roaming | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | if it makes you feel any better | 23:53 |
| cheeto12345676 | sweeet | 23:53 |
| stinebd | you're using your phone to make calls? | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, how was that 'fixed' again? used to be hacking the /data/eri.xml, but I don't think that applies now | 23:54 |
| cheeto12345676 | thats not sounding too convincing | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | i'm assuming he just needs to get whatever info from the RIL into the build | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | i forgot what those values were | 23:54 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: it was but we never did it, you need an eri for each carrier | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, exactly. you guys just fixed it to say "XDAndroid" | 23:55 |
| stinebd | anyway if it happens only after making a call, that's strange behavior | 23:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | hehe | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | eh it's some regional CDMA provider | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | what do you expect :P | 23:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | well it boots saying xd android... | 23:55 |
| stinebd | sprint? | 23:55 |
| * stinebd runs | 23:55 | |
| cheeto12345676 | pageplus | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:55 |
| cheeto12345676 | supposedly using verizons towers | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | cheeto12345676, so it goes from saying XDAndroid to...? | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | after you make a call it says something else? | 23:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | roaming indicator on | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | T-CDMA 64? :P | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | hah | 23:56 |
| stinebd | the xdandroid thing on boot isn't the roaming name, that's our logo | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | that is odd. | 23:56 |
| stinebd | silly rabbi | 23:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | and pulling down the notification bar is wackness | 23:56 |
| stinebd | tricks are for christians | 23:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:56 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 23:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | can get that bar to work with me | 23:56 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:56 |
| stinebd | why not? trouble grabbing it with your finger? | 23:57 |
| cheeto12345676 | yea using the stylus worked | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | menu --> notifications works too | 23:57 |
| stinebd | could be a bad calibration | 23:57 |
| cheeto12345676 | oh thats handy | 23:57 |
| cheeto12345676 | i dled the one on the frx7.01 thread | 23:57 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | yea, manual calibration might be necessary cheeto12345676 | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | i explain the process | 23:58 |
| cheeto12345676 | k | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | it's a little bit of a pain | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | but you only have to do it once | 23:58 |
| cheeto12345676 | sweet | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | assuming it's a good calibration for your device, save it 15,000 times over | 23:58 |
| stinebd | also print it out | 23:58 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | a sheet of random numbers, how useful *trash* | 23:58 |
| stinebd | maybe write it on your screen with permanent marker | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | white-out | 23:59 |
| cheeto12345676 | do i need to adb to get this connect bot installed to install wifi ace to connect to wep | 23:59 |
| cheeto12345676 | lol | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | don't use wep | 23:59 |
| stinebd | just copy the apk to AndroidApps on your sd card | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | good god do not use wep | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | and do that for installing the app ^^ | 23:59 |
| cheeto12345676 | should i just put my router on wpa and forget the app | 23:59 |
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