Sunday, 2011-07-24

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smiley-hmm02:22
smiley-http://code.google.com/p/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm-raphael/wiki/CurrentStatus   anyone knows what that is?02:22
smiley-http://code.google.com/p/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm-raphael/wiki/GetStarted02:22
smiley-argh.. what has happend to my device now..    it did run out of battery during the night.. now it's stuck in a reboot loop..   can't even boot to winmobile03:04
smiley-even did a restore (pressing vol down, big button, reset) and it succeded03:05
smiley-ok.. did download the latest OS-update from htc.. extracted the nph file from the .exe and put it on the sd-card..  booted with it and restored..  now it boots again03:56
smiley-no idea what happend03:56
hycsomething must have been writing to NAND when the battery died04:04
hycthat's the way the cookie crumbles...04:05
smiley-hmm04:08
smiley-what would write to NAND?04:08
smiley-speaking of NAND.. is that a mountable file system?   I know there are progress with NAND-booting but can the NAND be used as a filesystem from our loopbuilds?04:11
hycactually, if you were in android at the time, nothing, that I can think of04:11
smiley-well I don't know actually.. it might have rebooted to windows04:12
hycI've tried to mount it, no joy. winmo doesn't use a standard partition table for it04:12
hycand it's xfat or somesuch, not vanilla fat3204:13
smiley-ok04:14
hychttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT04:15
hycI'm guessing we still can't touch it from linux04:15
smiley-bah04:17
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smiley-oh well.. back in android now..  that was fun04:39
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Drew_I can't seem to get data to work. I am using rhod400. Any thoughts09:03
phhhyc: you just can't put fat32 nor exfat on nand.09:29
Drew_what does the kernel exactly do?09:41
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smiley-the kernel?  it's the layer between android and the hardware10:25
smiley-all drivers exists in the kernel for keyboard, display, sound etc10:25
Drew_i am trying to get data working on nand for rhod400 but i am not getting anywhere. is this a known issue?10:26
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arrrghhhDrew_, NAND isn't stable.13:45
Drew_i have read such things but i know there is a way to get data wokring and if i could do this it would be great13:46
arrrghhhprobably not13:46
arrrghhhthey're working on a new build13:46
arrrghhhso if you're mixing stuff from new&old... yea.13:46
Drew_anyone running nand?13:47
arrrghhhnot for full time phones13:48
arrrghhhacl runs it, but it's not his main phone.  no service.13:48
arrrghhhi run it on my tester as well13:48
arrrghhhagain, no service.13:48
arrrghhhi got data to work on my main device at one point, but it was flaky.13:49
arrrghhhso i'm on HaRET on my main phone.13:49
Drew_i am running tiad8 froyo blue but it doesnt have data working. Its much faster than any other nand though13:49
arrrghhhlol13:49
arrrghhhuh huh13:49
Drew_?13:50
arrrghhhglad you are siding with thiefs.13:50
arrrghhhthieves, sorry13:50
Drew_?13:50
Drew_isnt this open source?13:50
arrrghhhlol13:50
arrrghhhof course it is13:50
Drew_problem solved13:50
arrrghhhso that means you can take it and make it appear as your own?13:50
Drew_yep13:51
arrrghhhso you enjoy pissing off the people that do real work.13:51
arrrghhhtiad8 hasn't done jack shit other than steal acl's work.13:51
Drew_that is what open source means anyone can use it13:51
arrrghhhyou're an idiot13:51
arrrghhhyou have to give back to open source communities13:51
arrrghhhit's kinda part of the GPL13:51
arrrghhhbut tiad8 doesn't have anything to give back13:51
Drew_he gives credit where it is due13:51
arrrghhhhe doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground13:51
arrrghhhha, right.13:51
arrrghhhi'm not going to argue about it.13:51
Drew_have you even seen the site13:52
arrrghhhGTFO, we don't support his trash13:52
Drew_apparently not13:52
arrrghhhyes of course i've seen it.  it's hilarious.13:52
Drew_i am just saying open source is for everyone to do whatever they want with13:52
arrrghhhuhm13:53
arrrghhhhave you read the GPL?13:53
Drew_have you13:53
arrrghhhour stuff isn't apache license13:53
arrrghhhor bsd13:53
arrrghhhyes13:53
arrrghhhi have13:53
arrrghhhv2 and 313:53
arrrghhhnot real familiar with v1, but seems old.  no one uses it.13:53
arrrghhhi've read much about licensing and how OSS works.13:53
Drew_the general understanding is you are aloud to do whatever you want with open source code13:53
arrrghhhLOL13:54
arrrghhhso you haven't read it13:54
Drew_no one has a licsense on it13:54
arrrghhh...13:54
arrrghhhthe GPL is a license.13:54
Drew_do you release the source to the public?13:54
arrrghhhit's kinda in the name13:54
arrrghhhyes, does tiad?13:54
arrrghhhwhat now.13:55
Drew_if you release the source anyone can take it13:55
arrrghhhyes, they have to re-release any modifications13:55
arrrghhhunder the GPL13:55
Drew_it might be wrong and unfair but thats your fault dont release the source if you dont want people taking it and claiming it13:55
raymonddullthis reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg   just gonna throw that out there13:55
arrrghhhhuh13:55
arrrghhhok13:56
arrrghhhso i guess we shouldn't release anything then13:56
arrrghhhshame on us...13:56
Drew_not unless you want it to be stolen13:56
Drew_its the same thing all over the internet13:56
arrrghhhbegone troll13:56
arrrghhhwe don't help with his crap, how can we.13:57
Drew_just stating the facts13:57
arrrghhhit fucking prints money13:57
arrrghhhLOL13:57
Drew_you could get so much more done if you worked together. his rom is faster. you have more things working. combine. make super room13:58
Drew_rom*13:58
arrrghhhuh huh13:58
arrrghhhcuz HE doesn't work with us you moron13:58
arrrghhhi tried to get his ass to work with devs13:58
arrrghhhfucking DEVS tried to work with his dumbass13:59
arrrghhhand he refused13:59
Drew_i am sorry i was unknown to this fact13:59
arrrghhhhe's a stubborn moron13:59
arrrghhhand now he's trying to do this crap on his own, and claims he's trying to get devs to work with him.  that's completely laughable.13:59
Drew_its a shame but it would be sweet to see some combined forces on this thing13:59
arrrghhhbut anyways, he's banned from every site that matters so....14:00
arrrghhhcombined forces?  LOL14:00
Drew_i am sure you both have good ideas14:00
arrrghhhtiad8 is no dev14:00
arrrghhhso what can he do14:00
arrrghhhnothing14:00
Drew_probabyl not14:00
Drew_he can test14:00
Drew_thats for sure14:00
* raymonddull can test and I dont even have a device14:00
arrrghhhDrew_, ...14:00
arrrghhhbegone troll.14:00
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arrrghhhany idiot can test, I've proven that.14:06
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Drew_I just want to say great work to all the devs. We wouldnt be anywhere without you guys14:38
arrrghhhlol14:38
raymonddull-_-14:38
Drew_Special thanks to arrrgh and ACL14:38
arrrghhhha14:38
arrrghhhi'm no dev.14:39
arrrghhhACL is the man tho14:39
arrrghhhdonate to him, he needs coffee14:39
Drew_well thank you anyways14:39
Drew_if i had a paypal believe me i would14:39
Drew_and i would probably donate to you too.14:39
arrrghhhnah i don't deserve moneys14:40
arrrghhhnothing good will come from my hands14:40
arrrghhhstinebd can attest to that14:40
raymonddulllol14:40
Drew_you do offer good advice though14:40
arrrghhhi try to help where i can14:40
Drew_and I appreciate it.14:41
arrrghhhnp14:41
Drew_i hope to learn about dev and contribute where i can14:41
arrrghhhpatches always welcome14:42
arrrghhhassuming said patches pass the phh and stinebd tests :P14:42
Drew_understandable14:43
Drew_so what is in the works right now? what is acl currently working on?14:44
arrrghhhkernel, as always14:44
Drew_i seen a huge increase in battery life. I was happy about that14:45
arrrghhhyea he's been patching PM stuff14:46
Drew_sorry noob... what is PM?14:46
arrrghhhpower management14:46
Drew_got it. is he more focused on haret build or nand?14:47
arrrghhhhe doesn't really do much on haret at all anymore14:47
arrrghhhhe got 3.5mm working recently on it, but that's about it.14:47
Drew_for both the cdma and gsm?14:48
arrrghhhgsm doesn't have a 3.5mm jack14:49
arrrghhhso...14:49
Drew_oh really wow i wasnt aware of that. crazy the differences between cdma and gsm14:49
arrrghhhboth CDMA RHOD's have 3.5mm jacks14:50
arrrghhhnone of the GSM-only variants do... extUSB only14:50
Drew_how many nand rom variations are there? could you name a few for me. i know of xdandroid and froyo blue (i know i know). what others are there?14:52
arrrghhhnone14:53
arrrghhhXDAndroid is the only one14:54
arrrghhhfroyo blue is just tiad8's stupid system image on top of ACL's NAND work.14:54
Drew_i see!14:54
Drew_i saw that ACL had ported another rom to his rhod400. it was one of his recent posts. is that alot of work to?14:55
arrrghhhi don't think he's posted it yet14:55
arrrghhhhe's porting another ROM14:55
Drew_i just said he did it. sorry i should have clarified14:56
Drew_he*14:56
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Drew_when shoudl we expect the new nand build?15:03
emwemeep15:03
arrrghhhDrew_, no ETA's15:03
arrrghhhnever15:03
arrrghhhemwe, wassup15:03
emwearrrghhh: nada.15:04
emwearrrghhh: nice you are mixing up the topa forum. ;)15:07
arrrghhhtrying to help dude15:08
arrrghhhthose poor TOPA folk seem so lost at times :P15:08
arrrghhhack.  i must go.  cya guys15:09
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xdandroidNew rootfs available (20110724-1c4d02f) at: http://is.gd/dEXR1C -- Changes at: http://is.gd/5lFWRX15:13
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emwearrrghhh: I think Rewind402 (which took over from that shadowline) has resigned as well I think.15:14
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stinebdemwe: pushed the manifest update. i haven't booted my image to see if everything is actually there yet, so i might make more changes.17:13
emwestinebd: hiho. just finished building and restored my acoustic stuff.17:13
emwestinebd: will have to pursue this tomorrow. already quite late17:13
stinebdyour acoustic stuff?17:13
emwejbs work actually17:13
stinebdah okay17:13
emwekeep it around locally.17:14
emweah system core... stumbled upon that as well.17:15
emweok, one last try if it picks up libacoustic...17:21
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emwehmpfs, missing that once piece which copies the selfbuilt acoustic lib into the image...17:27
emwestinebd: ^^^ is that place in build/core? (obliterated everything i had and forgot where i did that)17:30
emweah bs. plz go on.17:31
stinebddevice/xdandroid/msm/device_msm.mk most likely17:31
stinebdstick it in prebuilt and add to the mk17:31
emweprebuilt? isn't that the binary blob location?17:32
stinebdit's not what you meant by selfbuilt?17:33
emwebad wording on my side then. built from the tree.17:33
stinebdah ok17:33
stinebdso you add whatever the local module name is to PRODUCT_PACKAGES in device_msm.mk17:34
stinebdin the drivers section17:34
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emwestinebd: thanks, that did it. (had it wrong in between, didn't know it was the module name to put there)17:36
stinebdholy crap wifi works ;)17:39
emweon gb? ti?17:40
stinebdrhod17:40
emwewhonder if tiwlan will just work on .3517:40
emwenever tried.17:40
emwebcm is surely not on .35 and .3917:41
emwejonpry tried and tried and i just quickly... no go.17:41
stinebdwhat does it do?17:42
emweendless scan17:42
emweiirc17:42
emwedon't recall anymore exactly.17:43
stinebdemwe: have a question about your heapsize issue17:46
stinebdi actually looked through my system image after building and there was no duplicate entry17:46
emweit was in the system.prop itself17:46
emwethere was a 32gb entry before in gb branch17:46
stinebd?17:46
emweand you merged the 24mb one from froyo17:47
stinebdno17:47
stinebdthe one from froyo was 32mb17:47
emwei meant device_msm.mk17:48
emweone sec17:48
stinebdme too17:48
stinebd-# This is a high density device with more memory, so larger vm heaps for it.17:48
stinebd-PRODUCT_PROPERTY_OVERRIDES += \17:48
stinebd-    dalvik.vm.heapsize=32m17:48
stinebdthat's your commitdiff17:48
emweyap, it got in with:17:48
emwecommit 30b8b8c5b17cf6452068dd81124c1bbcd5d6e58117:48
emweAuthor: Bryan Stine <stinebd@xdandroid.com>17:48
emweDate:   Fri Jan 14 22:55:00 2011 -050017:48
stinebdoh i see17:49
emwethat's the 32 mb one... and the 24mb one which was added to another location was just recently17:49
stinebdno you have it backwards17:49
stinebdor wait17:49
emwelol17:49
stinebdhmm17:49
emwenow rather gimme service on gb. just finished boot. damnit.17:50
stinebdoh i have it backwards17:50
stinebdi remember why17:50
stinebd32mb is what they changed it to in gingerbread upstream17:50
stinebdfor hdpi devices17:50
stinebdi think we should do that17:51
emweoh, i didn't know...17:51
stinebdyeah it's confusing17:51
stinebdthey changed it because there's a bug in some library and that's how they worked around it17:52
stinebdinstead of fixing the bug17:52
stinebdso i'll change it to 32mb so we're the same as passion17:52
emweah, neat. really.17:52
stinebdi think some gapps crashed with the smaller heap17:53
emweok, radio off on and ril is up.17:53
emwehope this won't happen on every boot17:53
stinebdmy radio was okay (i guess)17:53
stinebdi need to merge a couple things from hyc though17:53
emwethe other day you mentioned "system_server is back!" shall i worry?17:53
stinebdroaming indicator for one17:53
stinebdnah, just kidding with arrrghhh17:53
emweif you can reproduce spontaneous cpu load for several seconds, deciseconds on .27 with gb, find the cause and fix it :)17:54
emwehigh iowaits... just dunno if it's - as usual - a .35 issue.17:54
emweso, build is up and ok. need to go to bed.17:55
stinebdnight17:55
emwestill some compcache issue i am tracking down. doesn't like how userinit.sh does it (on. 35 that is)17:55
emweone last thing, can we somehow get userinit echos to dmesg without much magic?17:56
stinebddon't think so17:56
stinebdyou can trap the output in the script and send it to logcat i guess17:56
stinebdactually no17:56
stinebdit's before android starts up17:57
emwethat's before i think17:57
emweroute output to /dev/kmsg?17:57
emwewe'll see.17:58
emwei think i said i need to leave one hour ago.17:58
emwethanks bryan and goodnight!17:58
stinebdyeah that could work17:58
stinebdthank you too, night17:58
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XofratsJust for the log, WM uses either fat or tfat, exfat is for ce, and never was deployed on wm21:36
Xofratsand to make matter worse, there's also texfat too....21:36
Xofratsbut since exfat is closed source, no one really reads it...  although sdxc seems to require it21:37
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