| manekineko | yeah I keep around both a FRX and a GB, I thought the contrast was pretty stark on coming back to FRX | 00:00 |
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| manekineko | though after partitioning like I mentioned on XDA, my speed appears to have improved | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | yea i read that | 00:00 |
| ryannathans | i might have to try that | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see why tho | 00:00 |
| manekineko | plus USB mass storage is nice | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't experience a speed boost on CWM | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | eh, i never use that | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | only thing it would be nice for is updating :P | 00:01 |
| ryannathans | how did you get mass storage to run? | 00:01 |
| manekineko | it's good for testing mp3 playback as well | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, partitions | 00:01 |
| ryannathans | i see | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | dedicated data partition | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | + some fixes from none other than hyc | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | AFAIK those aren't committed yet heh | 00:02 |
| ryannathans | do native android deviced so such a media scan? | 00:02 |
| ryannathans | do* | 00:02 |
| ryannathans | devices | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | it's part of Android | 00:03 |
| ryannathans | my spelling is great today | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | so yes. | 00:03 |
| manekineko | arrrghhh, didn't want to mention the startup.txt cmd for nopartitions in your post on xda? | 00:05 |
| ryannathans | http://pastebin.com/scH1mc6S | 00:07 |
| ryannathans | from a fail | 00:07 |
| manekineko | that failed? where's the fail in that? | 00:08 |
| manekineko | mine look much nastier on fail | 00:08 |
| ryannathans | o.0 | 00:08 |
| manekineko | generate a debug dump and eveything | 00:08 |
| ryannathans | how does one do such a thing | 00:08 |
| ryannathans | dump app state? | 00:09 |
| manekineko | it just does it on its own on crash | 00:10 |
| manekineko | but I don't see any crash in yours | 00:10 |
| manekineko | gimme a sec, I'll show you my logcat | 00:10 |
| ryannathans | it doesn't crash? | 00:10 |
| manekineko | not visibly, but the audio is crashing in the background and restarting | 00:11 |
| ryannathans | mine goes about 1-5 seconds into a song and it looks like it skips to end of song but start time becomes --:-- | 00:11 |
| ryannathans | then plays the next one after a few seconds | 00:11 |
| manekineko | here's mine | 00:12 |
| manekineko | http://pastebin.com/TqS35kuA | 00:12 |
| ryannathans | everything dies on yours | 00:12 |
| ryannathans | sigh | 00:13 |
| manekineko | did you overwrite files at all in your testing mp3s process? | 00:13 |
| ryannathans | no? | 00:13 |
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| manekineko | hmm ok, because it seems that copying over a file might be causing to media scanner to skip that file, causing the failure/working status from before to linger | 00:14 |
| manekineko | not 100% sure about that though, still testing | 00:14 |
| ryannathans | that would make sense, but i have never done that | 00:14 |
| ryannathans | maybe there are 2 separate crashes here | 00:15 |
| manekineko | yeah I definitely have a set of mp3s here that have id3v1/v2.3 with album art that are playing fine | 00:18 |
| ryannathans | now testing id3v1/v2.3 and id3v1/v2.4 some with and some without lyrics | 00:19 |
| manekineko | if lyrics are an issue, they're only an issue in combination with other stuff | 00:19 |
| manekineko | my failing original file has no lyrics | 00:19 |
| ryannathans | wtf, i can now get into my phone with ANY pattern | 00:20 |
| ryannathans | -.- | 00:20 |
| manekineko | lol | 00:20 |
| manekineko | that's an odd bug | 00:21 |
| ryannathans | GOT IT | 00:22 |
| ryannathans | ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) Always crashes on a manual play | 00:22 |
| manekineko | isn't that the setup I had that was playing fine? | 00:23 |
| ryannathans | ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 Lyrics3v2 ID3v2.3) works | 00:23 |
| ryannathans | ID3v2.4 (ID3v1 ID3v2.4) works | 00:23 |
| manekineko | this is really mysterious, might be some random element at play | 00:23 |
| ryannathans | ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) will ONLY crash on a manual play | 00:23 |
| ryannathans | not if it is next in the playlist | 00:23 |
| ryannathans | can you confirm? | 00:24 |
| ryannathans | srtictly ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) with no other extensions | 00:25 |
| manekineko | does mp3tag show extension status? | 00:25 |
| ryannathans | in brackets after the tag | 00:25 |
| ryannathans | because ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 Lyrics3v2 ID3v2.3) works and thats just with one added extansion | 00:26 |
| manekineko | so can I next into the bad guy song? or do I need to let the previous play to completion? | 00:28 |
| ryannathans | ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) always crashes 100% of the time on 22 out of 22 of the tracks i have that are that format | 00:29 |
| ryannathans | No, you must manually play it by selecting it from the list | 00:29 |
| ryannathans | for some reason it works if you hit next | 00:29 |
| manekineko | in order to make it work though you said? | 00:29 |
| manekineko | oh so you can hit next | 00:29 |
| manekineko | nope, nexting into my bad guy song kills it | 00:29 |
| ryannathans | but are all the bad guys ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) exactly? | 00:30 |
| manekineko | I can confirm that it's ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) as displayed in newly upgraded Mp3tag 2.48 | 00:30 |
| ryannathans | Temp Fix: convert all tags out of that format or add lyrics extension (without adding lyrics) | 00:31 |
| ryannathans | Perm Fix: Work out the problem in code. | 00:31 |
| manekineko | odd that you can next into the song and it works | 00:31 |
| manekineko | but I can't | 00:31 |
| manekineko | also my working songs are also that same format | 00:32 |
| ryannathans | */wrists* | 00:32 |
| manekineko | this could be something really random at play | 00:32 |
| manekineko | like the hashing function doesn't like certain tags | 00:32 |
| ryannathans | look for unusual metadata on the working song compared to bad guys of same tag format | 00:33 |
| manekineko | all of my songs in question have pretty unusual metadata | 00:33 |
| manekineko | album art, foreign characters | 00:33 |
| ryannathans | anything different between working | 00:34 |
| ryannathans | and the baddie of same format | 00:34 |
| ryannathans | (same tag) | 00:34 |
| ryannathans | it is definately ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) on manual play from list | 00:35 |
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| ryannathans | Think it is media player or scanner? | 00:39 |
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| manekineko | from my log it seems like the media scanner is dying | 00:41 |
| manekineko | and that's an integral part of audio apparently | 00:41 |
| manekineko | which seems like a really odd design choice | 00:41 |
| ryannathans | if it were up to me i would rewrite the entire media scanner and make the bloody thing logical | 00:42 |
| manekineko | lol I don't think this project is planning on deviating significantly from the stock Android approach except in the case of blatant bugs | 00:42 |
| manekineko | it's not even clear if hyc's mediascanner improvements will make it in, and those are just making Android match the published Android spec, while speeding up our IO-bound devices | 00:43 |
| manekineko | oddly now I am seeing your next in thing | 00:43 |
| manekineko | if I next in it's no longer crashing | 00:43 |
| manekineko | this was distinctly not working before | 00:43 |
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| ryannathans | so solution is basically to strip/convert all ID3v2.3 (ID3v1 ID3v2.3) Tags before putting em on the device, i will see later today if this is present in native devices | 00:45 |
| manekineko | I am seeing crashes now on all sorts of files, I'm no longer even sure this has anything to do with id3 | 00:45 |
| manekineko | this bug is most certainly not in native devices | 00:45 |
| manekineko | it wasn't even in XDAndroid until recently | 00:45 |
| ryannathans | id3v2.4 works fine for me | 00:45 |
| ryannathans | I have always noticed this bug,since when i first tested music | 00:46 |
| ryannathans | but never looked in to it | 00:46 |
| ryannathans | i just hit one manually and nexted through and it all worked | 00:46 |
| manekineko | with direct play, I'm even managing to induce glitching on a file where I just copied my good id3 tag using the Tag Copy function into my bad guy file | 00:46 |
| ryannathans | Copy ID3v2.4 tags into a bad file, test that | 00:47 |
| manekineko | I've got a file with only 2.4 tags that's glitching right now (not copied in though) | 00:48 |
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| ryannathans | fml | 00:48 |
| ryannathans | maybe this isn't tag related | 00:49 |
| manekineko | yeah I'm starting to wonder | 00:49 |
| ryannathans | going to strip tags and see if bad files still dont work | 00:51 |
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| ryannathans | transferring | 00:54 |
| manekineko | yeah I'm getting the bug on no tag mp3s now | 00:58 |
| ryannathans | did you overwrite? | 00:58 |
| manekineko | nope I've got them nicely organized with titles that describe what I changed | 00:59 |
| ryannathans | maybe android just hates us | 00:59 |
| ryannathans | have you got a set up GB? | 00:59 |
| manekineko | yeah I could boot to that and confirm | 01:01 |
| ryannathans | test that | 01:01 |
| manekineko | unfortunately I don't have a setup vanilla FRX | 01:01 |
| ryannathans | nor do i | 01:01 |
| ryannathans | i have GIT | 01:01 |
| manekineko | it's a shame arrrghhh isn't here anymore, he has a setup for everything haha | 01:01 |
| ryannathans | yah, haha | 01:02 |
| ryannathans | fixed my lockscreen anyways | 01:04 |
| ryannathans | removing tags fixed all issues for me -.- | 01:05 |
| ryannathans | brilliant | 01:05 |
| manekineko | really? I got problems even with the no tag one | 01:05 |
| ryannathans | lolwut | 01:05 |
| ryannathans | the song length is displayed now (manual list) | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | :D | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | well it all works | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | all my abd files | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | bad* | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | now work just by removing tags | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | not one crash/bug/glitch | 01:06 |
| manekineko | this is ultra random | 01:06 |
| ryannathans | delete all music | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | reboot | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | add music with no tags | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | reboot | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | play | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | works | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | 100% | 01:07 |
| ryannathans | make sure media scanner is scanning the filed every boot | 01:08 |
| ryannathans | files | 01:08 |
| manekineko | I'm still booting GB | 01:09 |
| ryannathans | k | 01:09 |
| ryannathans | shall i make a forum writeup now | 01:09 |
| manekineko | yeah go ahead | 01:10 |
| manekineko | do you want to post my pastebin or should I do a separate one? | 01:10 |
| ryannathans | make a new one, idk if it will help | 01:11 |
| ryannathans | include all dumps/logs/etc | 01:11 |
| ryannathans | highlight bash syntax | 01:11 |
| manekineko | hmm highlighting bash syntax didn't seem to do much | 01:13 |
| manekineko | http://pastebin.com/A0etLk7n | 01:13 |
| manekineko | perfect playback on GB | 01:17 |
| manekineko | damn it's so slow when it's syncing, the card IO is really kiilling us I think | 01:18 |
| manekineko | hyc, out of curiosity when your G1 syncs or downloads from the market, does it take forever like on XDAndroid? | 01:21 |
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| ryannathans | starting that forum writeup | 01:23 |
| ryannathans | just made some toothpaste | 01:23 |
| manekineko | made toothpaste? | 01:23 |
| ryannathans | Yah :D - if you really knew how bad sodium fluoride was you would be doing the same | 01:24 |
| ryannathans | and they put the bloody stuff in our drinking water | 01:24 |
| ryannathans | fluoride causes many things from cancer to calcification of the pineal gland | 01:25 |
| ryannathans | look it up some time :P | 01:25 |
| manekineko | I seem to recall my dentist once telling me that fluoride is the only thing in tooth paste that really does anything, everything else is really just for looks and smell | 01:25 |
| manekineko | he said if I wanted to brushing with just water is pretty much the same | 01:26 |
| ryannathans | fluoride has no proved heath benefits | 01:26 |
| ryannathans | but many proven 'bad things | 01:26 |
| ryannathans | check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ys9q1cvKGk | 01:27 |
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| manekineko | heh anything written? I hate videos | 01:28 |
| ryannathans | yes, one minute | 01:28 |
| manekineko | watch in 5 minutes what could be read in 30 seconds | 01:28 |
| ryannathans | http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/ | 01:28 |
| ryannathans | http://www.lovethetruth.com/truth_about_fluoride.htm | 01:29 |
| manekineko | hmmm well what do you know, glitching in GB as well | 01:29 |
| ryannathans | back to our audio issue :P | 01:29 |
| manekineko | wait a sec | 01:30 |
| manekineko | I think I might be using the updated audio on GB too | 01:30 |
| ryannathans | my toothpaste is made from bi carb soda (abraisive and whitener, some anti bacterial properties), salt (preserve, abrasive, anti bacterial), pepermint oil (flavour), water | 01:31 |
| ryannathans | dentist says i have nothing wrong with my teeth, never had a filling, been using this toothpaste for years | 01:31 |
| ryannathans | half done this forum writeup | 01:31 |
| manekineko | so do you only drink bottled waters? | 01:32 |
| ryannathans | I use a reverse-osmosis filter, costs 350$ and bout 80$ per year to maintain, it filters out everything including fluoride | 01:33 |
| ryannathans | no other filter can remove fluoride | 01:33 |
| manekineko | yeah, my GB test was pointless, I do have the new audio libs on that as well | 01:37 |
| ryannathans | interesting | 01:40 |
| ryannathans | got those logs? | 01:40 |
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| manekineko | I didn't run any logs on GB | 01:46 |
| ryannathans | grab em from froyo then | 01:46 |
| manekineko | I have my full logs from the first time still | 01:47 |
| manekineko | but I don't generally post full logs because logcat can contain personal info | 01:47 |
| manekineko | I think the pastebin contains a full cycle of the problem though | 01:47 |
| ryannathans | we will use that then | 01:47 |
| ryannathans | pick what you want to submit | 01:47 |
| manekineko | I think the first pastebin was pretty good | 01:48 |
| ryannathans | Can I use your first pastebin? | 01:52 |
| ryannathans | google's pretty good, it has both your pastebins on its index already | 01:54 |
| manekineko | wow that is impressive | 01:59 |
| ryannathans | thread's up | 02:02 |
| ryannathans | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14153025 | 02:02 |
| ryannathans | Glad that's over. | 02:08 |
| manekineko | wow this is a very nicely formatted thread | 02:10 |
| ryannathans | I tend to do that :P | 02:11 |
| manekineko | wait did we test on any devices without the new audio libs? | 02:11 |
| ryannathans | I did | 02:12 |
| manekineko | hmm still present? that's weird | 02:12 |
| ryannathans | your issue? | 02:13 |
| ryannathans | maybe related to your media scanner? | 02:13 |
| manekineko | no, I'm just saying it's weird that it's still present without the new audio libs | 02:14 |
| manekineko | I really expected those to be at fault | 02:14 |
| ryannathans | ahh | 02:15 |
| ryannathans | This is brilliant, my 300$ headset didn't go to waste | 02:16 |
| ryannathans | (bluetooth) | 02:16 |
| manekineko | I didn't know there were highend bluetooth headsets | 02:16 |
| manekineko | 300 bucks, dang | 02:16 |
| ryannathans | I know right :P | 02:16 |
| ryannathans | brilliant headset at the time, still great. Shame it's made by nokia, it's like the only good thing they have made xD | 02:19 |
| ryannathans | http://www.nokia.com.au/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-stereo-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-stereo-headset-bh-604/specifications | 02:19 |
| ryannathans | I had a htc hermes before, it was a bit slow for 320 mp3's or lossless | 02:20 |
| ryannathans | TP2 on android, works great now :D | 02:20 |
| manekineko | wow I didn't know there were bluetooth cans | 02:21 |
| ryannathans | hehe | 02:21 |
| ryannathans | awesome bass on those | 02:22 |
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| ryannathans | I have been missing out on my starcraft II today fixing this bug :P ima head of for a while and beat some koreans | 02:26 |
| ryannathans | catcha later | 02:26 |
| manekineko | haha beating some koreans, yeah right.... | 02:27 |
| manekineko | glhf | 02:27 |
| ryannathans | oh btw, my computer headset is true 5.1. :P I would love to have a usb port on my phone | 02:28 |
| ryannathans | http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/detail?sArticle=33.%3F | 02:28 |
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| ryannathans | wish people would search, or atleast read the stickies fbefore posting | 07:09 |
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| ryannathans | anyone active with a partitioned build? | 09:15 |
| ryannathans | need some help setting it up, doesn't want to boot | 09:23 |
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| ryannathans | rpierce99, just who i was looking for! | 09:33 |
| ryannathans | are you running a partitioned build? | 09:34 |
| rpierce99 | yes | 09:34 |
| ryannathans | I have all the partitions, what do i do next? | 09:35 |
| rpierce99 | dd your system image and data file to the proper partitions, unless you want to start ove | 09:35 |
| ryannathans | I want to start over, any preparations needed? | 09:36 |
| rpierce99 | fill the system partition | 09:36 |
| ryannathans | that it? | 09:37 |
| rpierce99 | pretty much, the init scripts are coded to use partitions if they exist, otherwise fall back to img files, so you shouldn't have to DO anything | 09:37 |
| ryannathans | sweet, thanks | 09:37 |
| ryannathans | thought it was going to copy over system by itself :P | 09:38 |
| rpierce99 | you're not running a rootfs partition right | 09:38 |
| ryannathans | 3 ext2's and a fat32 | 09:38 |
| ryannathans | shall i throw rootfs into a partition too? | 09:38 |
| rpierce99 | right but did you make a small throwaway one or a full size one at slot 2 | 09:39 |
| ryannathans | 16gb sd, 15gb fat32, 300mb ext2, 300mb ext2, 100mb ext2 | 09:40 |
| ryannathans | all primary | 09:40 |
| ryannathans | all i ahve done | 09:40 |
| rpierce99 | so your 2nd partition is big enough to hold rootfs, if you want to edit the init scripts you could have rootfs on a partition | 09:41 |
| ryannathans | I am in favour of that idea | 09:41 |
| rpierce99 | i chose to leave it as a file though, so i didn't have to mess with the scripts | 09:41 |
| ryannathans | meh, i have messed with it enough | 09:41 |
| ryannathans | no more could hurt :P | 09:41 |
| rpierce99 | you basically have to change to location of rootfs from a file to the dev/mmc*/blk* address of the partition | 09:42 |
| rpierce99 | i never did it so i can't really help there | 09:42 |
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| ryannathans | shouldnt be too hard | 09:42 |
| hyc | pretty sure it's just a startup.txt parameter | 09:44 |
| hyc | and initrd takes care of the rest | 09:44 |
| ryannathans | 0.o smexy, even easier | 09:44 |
| rpierce99 | yeah that sounds more likely, init is on rootfs isn't it | 09:44 |
| ryannathans | any idea what the parameter is? | 09:44 |
| ryannathans | yeah it is | 09:44 |
| hyc | nope | 09:44 |
| hyc | read initrd | 09:45 |
| ryannathans | all of it, again? sigh. okay. | 09:45 |
| * ryannathans starts reading | 09:45 | |
| ryannathans | oh initrd, not init. /facepalm | 09:47 |
| ryannathans | can't find or i am looking at the wrong file | 09:55 |
| hyc | add root_partition=<foo> to the cmdline | 09:56 |
| hyc | dunno how you can possibly be looking at the wrong file | 09:58 |
| hyc | initrd only has a couple files | 09:58 |
| ryannathans | where's it stored? | 09:58 |
| hyc | what do you mean? | 09:58 |
| ryannathans | initrd.gz yeah? | 09:59 |
| hyc | yes | 09:59 |
| ryannathans | turns out im on windows and opened init with notepad++ and was just binary | 09:59 |
| ryannathans | turns out it was just the tar | 09:59 |
| ryannathans | but windows has no idea due to no tar extension :P | 10:00 |
| ryannathans | thanks again | 10:00 |
| hyc | it's not a tar file | 10:00 |
| hyc | it's cpio | 10:00 |
| hyc | but you could also just read the source from the git repo for initramfs | 10:01 |
| ryannathans | inside the inidrd.gz there is a loopback fs then? | 10:01 |
| ryannathans | also I can't get ../android/provider/cts/Settings_SecureTest.java | 6 ++++++ to compile on system | 10:02 |
| ryannathans | it just won't add it to the file system | 10:03 |
| hyc | pretty sure that's just a test program, it doesn't belong on the filesystem | 10:03 |
| ryannathans | and that would explain why. | 10:03 |
| hyc | why do you keep trying to force things to happen that aren't supposed to happen... | 10:03 |
| ryannathans | was wondering why it wasn't saying filesystem was modified :P | 10:04 |
| hyc | you should only ever worry if you actually see error messages | 10:06 |
| hyc | if no error messages, then everything is fine | 10:06 |
| ryannathans | have you experienced that issue we got 'fixed' today? | 10:07 |
| ryannathans | regarding media player | 10:07 |
| hyc | nope | 10:07 |
| hyc | but I don't have any music on my SDcard at the moment | 10:08 |
| hyc | and none of my audio files have ID3 tags anyway | 10:08 |
| ryannathans | hmm okay, I was wondering if you knew where the problem with media scanner was | 10:08 |
| hyc | nope | 10:08 |
| ryannathans | thanks anyway | 10:08 |
| hyc | from your stack trace the crash was actually in libstagefright | 10:08 |
| hyc | but you ought to already know that | 10:09 |
| hyc | since it's plainly printed in the stack trace... | 10:09 |
| ryannathans | I was thinking media scanner was causing that | 10:09 |
| hyc | the scanner only runs at boot time or when you remount the SDcard | 10:10 |
| ryannathans | is there a database it writes info to? | 10:10 |
| hyc | probably several | 10:10 |
| hyc | it also generates thumbnails for pictures and videos | 10:10 |
| ryannathans | noticed that, .thumbnails | 10:11 |
| ryannathans | brb, rebooting into linux | 10:14 |
| ryannathans | vm doesn't like using usb devices | 10:14 |
| ryannathans | back | 10:39 |
| ryannathans | wow rootfs is only 11mb | 10:44 |
| ryannathans | oh wait, thought it was system | 10:45 |
| ryannathans | WHY ALL THESE PERMISSION ERRORS D: | 10:47 |
| ryannathans | hopefully this boots... | 10:53 |
| ryannathans | RAGE | 10:56 |
| ryannathans | hyc: how do I know what my partitions are being mounted as? | 10:59 |
| rpierce99 | what error did you get when booting | 11:00 |
| ryannathans | kernel panic | 11:01 |
| ryannathans | reboots too fast | 11:01 |
| ryannathans | see if i can dmesg this | 11:01 |
| ryannathans | i think i got the startup cmd wrong | 11:01 |
| ryannathans | root_partition= idk what to put next | 11:02 |
| rpierce99 | full path to your rootfs partition (2) on your sd | 11:03 |
| rpierce99 | /dev/mmcsomethingorother/blksomethingorother | 11:04 |
| ryannathans | how do I work that one out | 11:04 |
| rpierce99 | if it were me i'd load android normally (no_partitions) and look | 11:04 |
| helicopter88 | shouldn't be /dev/mmc0p2? | 11:05 |
| rpierce99 | or search the logs of this room for the people that have already done it | 11:05 |
| rpierce99 | i know someone posted their path in here | 11:05 |
| rpierce99 | yeah that's probably right helicopter88 | 11:06 |
| ryannathans | I tried that and it didn't work | 11:07 |
| ryannathans | D: | 11:07 |
| ryannathans | I tried that first | 11:07 |
| rpierce99 | and you dded rootfs.img to that block? | 11:07 |
| ryannathans | to the second partition, yes | 11:08 |
| rpierce99 | try it without doing rootfs, just to make sure that's your problem | 11:08 |
| ryannathans | set cmdline "lcd.density=240 root_partition=/dev/mmc0p2 msmvkeyb_toggle=off gsensor_axis=2,1,3 pm.sleep_mode=1 rel_path=FRX06 physkeyboard=rhod110 acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=710000 gpiokeyopts=b4HOME" | 11:10 |
| helicopter88 | mmcblk0p2 maybe? | 11:11 |
| ryannathans | sweet mother of..... | 11:12 |
| ryannathans | so much spam on screen and it wont end | 11:12 |
| ryannathans | FUUUU | 11:12 |
| helicopter88 | lol | 11:12 |
| ryannathans | looked like a whole bunch of file system errors being fixed | 11:13 |
| ryannathans | all i saw in a line was FIX?? YES | 11:13 |
| ryannathans | this is without partitions | 11:13 |
| ryannathans | i let it sis and it boots. :O | 11:13 |
| ryannathans | sit | 11:13 |
| rpierce99 | yeah it looks like /dev/mmcblk0p2 is correct | 11:14 |
| ryannathans | i will confirm then boot from it | 11:14 |
| helicopter88 | please keep in mind that i'm guessing | 11:15 |
| ryannathans | well ya guess was in /dev | 11:16 |
| ryannathans | time to try :D | 11:16 |
| ryannathans | I will append this to my guide if i get it working | 11:16 |
| rpierce99 | i'm not, i searched xdandroids logs | 11:16 |
| helicopter88 | so,i was right :D | 11:17 |
| rpierce99 | the 2nd time :) | 11:17 |
| helicopter88 | <rpierce99> yeah that's probably right helicopter88,so you were trusting me too | 11:17 |
| ryannathans | nop.. | 11:17 |
| ryannathans | ARGGHH RAGE | 11:17 |
| rpierce99 | did you try without root_partition to make sure rootfs is your issue? | 11:18 |
| helicopter88 | ryannathans,try without the /dev/ | 11:18 |
| helicopter88 | in neo's .tar.gz files was without it | 11:18 |
| rpierce99 | from the logs.... .e.g. I was putting root_partition=mmcblk0p2 instead of root_partition=/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 | 11:19 |
| rpierce99 | 3rd times the charm | 11:19 |
| helicopter88 | lol | 11:19 |
| ryannathans | So they say | 11:19 |
| rpierce99 | keep in mind this is from the guy who totally killed his phone :P | 11:20 |
| helicopter88 | rpierce99: you killed your phone? | 11:20 |
| rpierce99 | no, toadlife | 11:20 |
| ryannathans | haha | 11:20 |
| rpierce99 | he's the one that posted that nugget | 11:20 |
| ryannathans | FUUU STILL NOT WORKING | 11:20 |
| helicopter88 | i've destroyed my phone too | 11:20 |
| ryannathans | *pulls out a hacksaw and goes at his phone* | 11:21 |
| ryannathans | lol how? | 11:21 |
| helicopter88 | but i wasn't testing android,i was testing effect of gravity force when the phone fly away from my pocket | 11:21 |
| ryannathans | I dropped my phone off the roof when doing some cabling, IT BOUNCES! no damage apart from a scratch | 11:22 |
| ryannathans | root_partition=mmcblk0p2 | 11:22 |
| ryannathans | what now? | 11:22 |
| helicopter88 | root_partition=/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 | 11:22 |
| helicopter88 | this should be the right one | 11:22 |
| helicopter88 | so if it doesn't work,it's not rootfs fault | 11:22 |
| rpierce99 | seriously? did you miss that whole convo | 11:22 |
| ryannathans | ... my startup.txt didn't save xD | 11:23 |
| rpierce99 | /facepalm | 11:23 |
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| ryannathans | shit is going down | 11:24 |
| * helicopter88 stabs ryannathans | 11:24 | |
| ryannathans | right here | 11:24 |
| ryannathans | lol | 11:24 |
| ryannathans | booting :D | 11:24 |
| ryannathans | I do wonder how much better this will be than loopbacks | 11:25 |
| ryannathans | what partition is my data stored on? | 11:25 |
| ryannathans | system im guessing? | 11:25 |
| rpierce99 | uh /data | 11:26 |
| helicopter88 | unless you messed too much with rootfs :) | 11:26 |
| ryannathans | i merged a bunch of stuff | 11:26 |
| ryannathans | I will need to get my ril and stuff to work onw | 11:26 |
| ryannathans | then it's good :D | 11:26 |
| helicopter88 | you have your ril? | 11:27 |
| ryannathans | hyc's ril | 11:27 |
| ryannathans | stops freezing on bot | 11:27 |
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| rpierce99 | why didn't you just put hycs /system on then | 11:28 |
| ryannathans | when i get basics to work i will experiment | 11:28 |
| helicopter88 | imho,your init is wrong | 11:29 |
| ryannathans | what you mean | 11:29 |
| helicopter88 | i mean that if it freezes before boot anim,there's something bad in init | 11:30 |
| ryannathans | naa, after boot it freezes because of a issue i need hyc's ril to fix | 11:30 |
| helicopter88 | you should try first with xdandroid autobuild things | 11:31 |
| helicopter88 | then with all those more advanced things | 11:31 |
| ryannathans | should all be good now | 11:36 |
| ryannathans | boot this and if it works i can go to bed :P | 11:36 |
| ryannathans | what's the equivilent of a new data.img? deleting everything on system partiion? | 11:42 |
| helicopter88 | no,on data partition if you have one | 11:42 |
| rpierce99 | wouldn't you think that the system partition would contain, um, the system? | 11:42 |
| helicopter88 | and things in cache | 11:42 |
| rpierce99 | the xdandroid partition scheme doesn't have a cache partition | 11:43 |
| rpierce99 | just wipe p4, the /data partition | 11:43 |
| helicopter88 | then don't format cache partition | 11:43 |
| rpierce99 | sorry p3 | 11:43 |
| helicopter88 | so in xda partitions layout it's | 11:43 |
| helicopter88 | fat 32,nothing,system,data? | 11:44 |
| rpierce99 | fat32,rootfs,data,system if you go all the way i believe | 11:44 |
| helicopter88 | i heard somewhere that p2 doesn't work well | 11:44 |
| rpierce99 | i have fat32, nothing, data, system | 11:44 |
| helicopter88 | that's why it's filled with nothing | 11:44 |
| rpierce99 | hm, there shouldn't be any difference between a partition and a loop-mounted file, if anything the partition should be better | 11:45 |
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| helicopter88 | i just haven't understood why p2 = nothing | 11:46 |
| hyc | it's not nothing. it's rootfs | 11:46 |
| rpierce99 | i do it because i don't care enough to bother doing the dd and editing startup.txt | 11:46 |
| hyc | likewise | 11:46 |
| helicopter88 | " <rpierce99> i have fat32, nothing, data, system" so it's rootfs if you want | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, they are all optional, technically | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | i just choose not to bother with rootfs, personally | 11:47 |
| helicopter88 | i know this,but why in "official" layout it's nothing | 11:48 |
| rpierce99 | where is the official layout? | 11:48 |
| helicopter88 | in rootfs? | 11:48 |
| hyc | in the XDA official layout, ony loop mounts are supported. | 11:48 |
| helicopter88 | but in xda rootfs there's partition check and if i remember right p2 isn't used | 11:48 |
| hyc | because p2 has already been checked by initrd | 11:49 |
| hyc | rootfs /init is only the 2nd stage of the boot, you're forgetting the initrd | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | rootfs has to be mounted by initrd | 11:49 |
| helicopter88 | and init uses p2 for what? | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | you can't read init until you've mounted rootfs | 11:49 |
| helicopter88 | *initrd | 11:50 |
| helicopter88 | i meant initrd,sorry | 11:50 |
| rpierce99 | initrd says basically "read startup.txt for root_partition, if it is set, mount that as /, otherwise look for rootfs.img in the rel_path" | 11:51 |
| helicopter88 | i may be a linux newb,but i more or less know what does initrd,but what has p2 to do with checking if there's or there isn't rootfs? | 11:52 |
| rpierce99 | you can only have 4 primary partitions, the sdcard fat32 is the first because WinMo uses it to launch HaReT, next thing that is done is the rootfs (partition or file) is mounted to /, that's why it is 2, second in order, then /data and /system are mounted by the rootfs init scripts | 11:54 |
| helicopter88 | ooh | 11:55 |
| helicopter88 | but then,sorry for being annoying,why cwm is working on 3 partitions fine? | 11:55 |
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| ryannathans | thanks for the help guys | 11:57 |
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| ryannathans | helicopter88: either rootfs is coming from loopback file or there is no cache | 11:59 |
| rpierce99 | cwm doesn't use the xdandroid partition scheme, their initrd and init scripts could do anything they want | 12:00 |
| ryannathans | im off, night. | 12:00 |
| rpierce99 | technically you could put the entire android filesystem into one partition, it would just be harder to wipe and restore one at a time | 12:00 |
| ryannathans | ^^ that :P | 12:00 |
| hyc | your question is backwards | 12:01 |
| hyc | if there is a root partition, it must be p2 | 12:01 |
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| helicopter88 | the weird things is that there's fat 32/rootfs.img/system/data/cache | 12:20 |
| manekineko | hmm? we don't have a cache partition after data | 12:30 |
| manekineko | can't create more than 4 primary partitions | 12:31 |
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| hyc | cache partition is a waste of space | 12:59 |
| hyc | cache is used very rarely | 12:59 |
| hyc | better to leave it on /data for our builds | 12:59 |
| hyc | or alternatively, drop the dedicated root partition, that's what cwm has to do | 13:00 |
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| hyc | fat32/root+system/data/cache | 13:01 |
| rpierce99 | root+system seem intertwined fairly often as is, not much of a loss | 13:02 |
| hyc | right | 13:02 |
| hyc | it probably complicates the makefiles a bit to get it right tho | 13:02 |
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| hyc | since the default android makefiles will put the init binary in /init | 13:03 |
| hyc | and we rename that to init.android and put a shell script in /init | 13:03 |
| manekineko | I don't think cache is a good idea for ours devices | 13:03 |
| manekineko | seeing as we seem to be IO bound already | 13:03 |
| hyc | it's not that kind of a cache | 13:04 |
| manekineko | what is it caching? | 13:04 |
| hyc | OTA updates | 13:04 |
| manekineko | oh really? but it manages fine without them? | 13:04 |
| manekineko | every native devicec has this? | 13:04 |
| hyc | yes every native device has a cache partition | 13:04 |
| hyc | it's irrelevant to XDAndroid because we have no OTA updates, ever | 13:05 |
| manekineko | what's the point of caching OTA updates in the first place? | 13:05 |
| hyc | cache is not the right name for this partition | 13:05 |
| hyc | it's just a scratch workspace | 13:05 |
| hyc | where files get extracted as they're verified, just before installing. | 13:05 |
| manekineko | but it's only used by OTA updates? | 13:06 |
| hyc | yeah | 13:06 |
| hyc | like I said, waste of space | 13:06 |
| manekineko | does this setup make sense to you for native devices? | 13:06 |
| manekineko | sounds....odd | 13:06 |
| hyc | On the G1 most people repartition their NAND and shrink /cache | 13:07 |
| hyc | it's just not useful | 13:07 |
| hyc | particularly on 3rd party builds that will never ever see an OTA update in their lifetime | 13:07 |
| manekineko | hmm guess I'm just not seeing why they needed a partition for this | 13:08 |
| hyc | I don't really see it myself | 13:09 |
| hyc | see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=717874 | 13:09 |
| hyc | they shrank the cache partition to as small as possible, 2MB | 13:09 |
| rpierce99 | seems like a great use of a /cache folder, partition, not so much | 13:09 |
| manekineko | before talking to you, I always assumed that with all their brilliant employees, Android must be really well written | 13:10 |
| hyc | LOL. | 13:10 |
| manekineko | now my perception is somewhat....changed | 13:10 |
| hyc | hate to break it to you... | 13:10 |
| hyc | a lot of the Android code was clearly written by people who didn't know Unix or Linux | 13:11 |
| hyc | because there are easy ways to do things in Linux, and they invented some hard way instead... | 13:11 |
| hyc | possibly they intended the Android userland to be portable across different OSs | 13:12 |
| hyc | dunno... | 13:12 |
| manekineko | yeah they really seemed to have tried their darndest to distance themselves from the Linux base for some reason | 13:12 |
| rpierce99 | there is a company that claims to have created a native android runtime in windows | 13:12 |
| hyc | hmmm. I guess that's possible | 13:13 |
| rpierce99 | apparently it works because they've gotten a crapton of funding | 13:13 |
| hyc | heh | 13:13 |
| hyc | I'm sure it cannot work *well*. | 13:13 |
| rpierce99 | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/05/native-x86-android-runtime-will-enable-android-apps-on-windows.ars?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+Featured+Content%29 | 13:13 |
| hyc | I've done a lot of porting of native code between Linux and Windows. | 13:13 |
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| hyc | ahhhhh. kexec working, I no longer need to see Winmo at all when loading a new kernel or system | 13:30 |
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| rpierce99 | very nice | 13:30 |
| hyc | also digging my new soft-fade keyboard backlight... | 13:31 |
| manekineko | sounds hot, what'd you settle on for when to use various brightnesses on the keyboard? | 13:34 |
| hyc | oh, right now it's still max brightness, 255 | 13:35 |
| hyc | I need to write a driver for the light sensor | 13:35 |
| hyc | don't have time to do it right now | 13:35 |
| hyc | but it fades in very slowly, and fades out slowly too. slick. | 13:36 |
| manekineko | so the front buttons ended up being binary right? | 13:36 |
| hyc | yes | 13:37 |
| hyc | WisTilt2 says there's a way to vary them too, but it was too coplicated to figure out, or something like that | 13:37 |
| hyc | heck, it took a day just to figure out the keyboard lights, and that was with the benefit of his notes. (which were actually wrong anyway) | 13:37 |
| manekineko | lol | 13:37 |
| hyc | would have been faster if I had compiled the keyboard driver as a module | 13:38 |
| hyc | then I could just unload and reload it to test a new spin | 13:38 |
| hyc | instead of having to reboot every time | 13:38 |
| hyc | oh well. hindsight... | 13:38 |
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| akumax | hi | 15:19 |
| rpierce99 | never used MMS in my life, I help hyc fix MMS on sprint, receive several MMSes just fine, roll back to previous version, and NOW my wife wants to send me a picture of something she wants to buy, ugh | 15:24 |
| akumax | lol | 15:25 |
| emwe | anyone in the know about keymaps? | 15:29 |
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| hyc | why'd you roll back? | 16:14 |
| rpierce99 | i rolled too far forward with audio and such, and rather than trying to fix it i just started fresh from your system again | 16:17 |
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| manekineko | emwe, what are you trying to do with keymaps? | 16:46 |
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| emwe | manekineko: whondering why fn has no effect | 16:46 |
| emwe | does it have on .27? | 16:46 |
| emwe | used like regular i assume? | 16:46 |
| hyc | all the MMS stuff is in my latest upload... | 16:46 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, lol FN works. | 16:47 |
| emwe | well yeah. assumed so. :P | 16:48 |
| arrrghhh | you're using the right physical keyboard...? | 16:48 |
| emwe | yeah, but kernel code is a tad bit different | 16:48 |
| arrrghhh | ofc | 16:48 |
| arrrghhh | but you need to be on the right keymap | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | cuz each phone has a different layout | 16:49 |
| arrrghhh | and ofc the dang rhod100 folk have like 15 layouts just for that one device. | 16:49 |
| emwe | physkeyb=rhod400 | 16:50 |
| emwe | but i just spotted a code change. just testing | 16:51 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 16:51 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 16:51 |
| arrrghhh | man i haven't seen F22 in forever. | 16:51 |
| arrrghhh | he has an old WisTilt2 kernel in my post | 16:51 |
| arrrghhh | god knows why someone would go to the 7th post in a thread and download that instead of the first post... | 16:51 |
| hyc | lol | 16:52 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i <3 your response tho. | 16:52 |
| arrrghhh | 'use your brain' | 16:52 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:52 |
| rpierce99 | hyc: your latest upload also includes the audio libs that i was getting away from | 16:52 |
| arrrghhh | for the record, that guy is a dolt. he filled one of my build threads with like 5 pages of drivel just trying to get the build running. | 16:52 |
| hyc | rpierce99: ah, ok | 16:52 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: yeah, i remeber that | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | fuckin steelers fans | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | o, was that my outside voice? | 16:53 |
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| hyc | you must have an IQ above room temperature to ride this ride... | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | i don't even care about sports, just seems steelers fans are the most annoying. | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | hahahaha | 16:53 |
| arrrghhh | i told some kid in high school his IQ must equal his shoe size. | 16:54 |
| arrrghhh | his response? "i've got pretty big feet" | 16:54 |
| arrrghhh | LMAO | 16:54 |
| hyc | lol | 16:54 |
| hyc | pretty good comeback | 16:54 |
| rpierce99 | i agree arrrghhh, I've been a Seahawks fan my whole life and ever since 2005 I've had a hatred for the steelers and everything associated with them, including their fans | 16:54 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, like i said i don't really care about sports... but there's a few die-hard steelers fans here @ work, and they are just freakin annoying when they talk about their team! | 16:55 |
| arrrghhh | they're more vocal than the bronco's fans, and i'm in denver. wtf. | 16:55 |
| rpierce99 | there's a guy in my neighborhood that drives around in a black and yellow jeep with steelers logos plastered all over it | 16:56 |
| arrrghhh | gawd | 16:56 |
| arrrghhh | ugh. i have a feeling i'm asking for pain with this vodafone guy | 16:57 |
| arrrghhh | i probably should've left it at stick to winmo and just pissed him off and called it a day lol | 16:57 |
| rpierce99 | the softer side of arrrghhh | 16:58 |
| arrrghhh | what was i thinking!?!? | 16:58 |
| hyc | lol, that was pretty surprising | 17:00 |
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| arrrghhh | o | 18:21 |
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| arrrghhh | i think i might have to stop visiting the forums. | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not a very smart guy, but i think the relative stupidity is making me even more stupid. | 18:23 |
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| arrrghhh | ryannathans, lmao wtf is a '5.1 Headset for Professional Gamers' | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | i doubt most gamers are 'Professional Gamers' bwhahahaha | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | plus, 5.1 in a headset? how can that be better than an actual separated set of 5.1 channels... | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | god those look sooooo cool too lolol | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | holy poop. ryannathans, you're the reason no body wants to support partition builds. | 19:58 |
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| arrrghhh | oh well, enough log reading. time to go home. | 20:07 |
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| Nautis | argh seems like he must have a stressful job :) | 20:39 |
| manekineko | anyone here know what the kernel size limit is for haret? | 20:45 |
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| Nautis | manekineko I know the camera kernel before maxed it and required "set INITRD_OFFSET 0x608000" | 21:22 |
| manekineko | for some reason compiling the kernel on my machine is causing non-boots again, and I'm not sure what has changed exactly | 21:22 |
| manekineko | wondering if the existing kernels might be on the thin line of maxing out the size | 21:23 |
| manekineko | since for some reason my compiled kernels are slightly larger | 21:23 |
| Nautis | using codesourcery? | 21:26 |
| manekineko | yup | 21:26 |
| manekineko | weird thing is I was originally having this problem with the Google prebuilt tools | 21:26 |
| manekineko | where it'd compile fine but not boot to black screen at all | 21:26 |
| manekineko | and then I fixed it by switching to code sorcery | 21:26 |
| manekineko | and now it's not working for me with code sorcery either | 21:26 |
| manekineko | I'm doing a make clean now and rebuilding to see if that fixes it | 21:27 |
| manekineko | okay this is unpleasant, the git reset, make clean and rebuild still doesn't work | 21:29 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, you thar? | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just curious how native devices deal with rogue apps that kill sleep | 21:52 |
| arrrghhh | i'm thinking once the GPS sleep issues are resolved, that is the last 'blocker' on sleep, other than random rogue apps. | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | someone correct me if i'm wrong... | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | but it would be nice to start using the LED for notifications, assuming the GPS/sleep bug is resolved. | 21:53 |
| Nautis | led for notifications? blasphemy | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | Nautis, so why does my job seem stressful? cuz i'm constantly blowing stuff up? lol | 21:57 |
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| stinebd | i don't like america | 22:43 |
| stinebd | wanna go back to japan | 22:43 |
| stinebd | everybody is so angry here | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | you're back already eh? | 22:44 |
| NeoMatrixJR | Moshi Moshi stinebd. How was your trip. | 22:44 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ? | 22:44 |
| stinebd | :< | 22:44 |
| stinebd | it was good until it ended | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:45 |
| stinebd | going into narita it took about 15 minutes to clear customs (most of that was walking) | 22:45 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I'm jealous. I've always wanted to go. Sounds like akihabara was fun! | 22:45 |
| stinebd | coming back into newark it took me 4 hours to go through passport control, then another hour for baggage claim | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | newark blows. | 22:46 |
| stinebd | and CBP staff are very very unfriendly | 22:46 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I'd be broke just getting to Japan...if I went to akihabara I'd probably too broke to ever leave (oh, wait...that's the plot for the Neotokyo webcomic) | 22:46 |
| stinebd | honestly if i was a foreigner going through that, i'd wonder wtf i'm doing here | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahahaha | 22:46 |
| stinebd | akiba was effing amazing | 22:46 |
| stinebd | we only did like 5 shops and got incredible loot | 22:47 |
| stinebd | lots of maid girls too | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:47 |
| stinebd | one of whom i accidentally took a picture of | 22:47 |
| NeoMatrixJR | aww...dude...u gotta post that! | 22:48 |
| stinebd | i posted it on facebook but shopped her face out | 22:48 |
| NeoMatrixJR | r u not supposed to take pix? | 22:48 |
| stinebd | it's a huge no-no to photo them | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 22:48 |
| NeoMatrixJR | huh...good 2 know if I ever go | 22:48 |
| stinebd | nobody said anything to me about it but the maid cafes have staff out on the streets occasionally telling people | 22:48 |
| stinebd | those girls deserve their privacy really, it doesn't look great if people know they're maids | 22:49 |
| stinebd | unlike the soapland women, they still have some dignity left i guess | 22:49 |
| stinebd | also i experienced platform pushers in shinjuku on our last day of the trip | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | wow. i felt like reading a wiki article on that area, and stumbled onto some crazy massacre there from 2008 | 22:50 |
| arrrghhh | some dude with a 2-ton truck and a freakin dagger. | 22:50 |
| stinebd | yeah that was sick | 22:51 |
| arrrghhh | madness. for no reason. | 22:51 |
| stinebd | if that were shibuya it would've been 10 times worse | 22:51 |
| stinebd | shibuya is another fun place to go and just watch the crowds | 22:52 |
| stinebd | the intersection outside the station is crazy | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | yea i bet | 22:52 |
| stinebd | i forgot to get pics of some things that i'll have to get next time | 22:53 |
| stinebd | there were some vending machines (porn, hamburgers, beer, etc), sidewalks lined with thousands of parked bicycles, and some other interesting stuff | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | nice. glad you had a good time. | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | i'll save up for a decade, maybe have enough to go on a real vaca :P | 22:54 |
| stinebd | they have travel packages for 4 nights with lodging for about $800 through june | 22:54 |
| stinebd | if you call jtb you can set it up, and then get ghibli museum tickets | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | what does that include? pretty cheap. | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 22:55 |
| stinebd | includes just flight and hotel for one person | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | still, that's actually quite good. | 22:55 |
| stinebd | so for a couple it would be 1600 total | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | i figured flight alone would've been over $1500 | 22:55 |
| stinebd | yeah that's a really good price | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | i guess plane flights are getting so cheap. | 22:56 |
| stinebd | flight alone for me was about 850 each | 22:56 |
| stinebd | they're desperate for tourism | 22:56 |
| arrrghhh | i bet... | 22:56 |
| stinebd | i saw few other gaijin over there | 22:56 |
| arrrghhh | hehe | 22:56 |
| stinebd | and just for the record, their tap water is good. tastes like bottled water and i didn't notice any radioactive aftertaste or glow | 22:57 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:57 |
| arrrghhh | no extra limbs? | 22:57 |
| stinebd | and they do something amazing to the milk i bought which makes it taste incredible | 22:57 |
| stinebd | it's called meiji oishii milk | 22:58 |
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| stinebd | if i could read the carton maybe i'd know what it is | 22:58 |
| stinebd | probably orphan blood or something | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | mmmmm orphan blood | 22:59 |
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| stinebd | i will be going back at some point | 22:59 |
| stinebd | maybe for good :P | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | dang...must fine stinebd on facebook and see picture | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | (s) | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | plural. | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | Japan cool | 23:00 |
| stinebd | i only friend real friends, sorry | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | :'( nobody likes me | 23:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | j/k | 23:01 |
| stinebd | i have like 15 friends on facebook | 23:01 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I know how that is I'm the same way on FB | 23:01 |
| stinebd | most of whom are family | 23:01 |
| stinebd | i can put the maid picture up somewhere if you want | 23:01 |
| NeoMatrixJR | just drop it on a twitter pic service? | 23:02 |
| NeoMatrixJR | or u not want it out in the world | 23:02 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ? | 23:02 |
| stinebd | i'm gonna plop it on my server | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | twitter pic service wtf? | 23:02 |
| stinebd | twitpic/yfrog/... | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 23:03 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ok, twitter doesn't have a pic service, just meant one of the ones many people use | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | imgur | 23:03 |
| NeoMatrixJR | holy crap! Tokyo 4 nights + air for $780! | 23:04 |
| stinebd | see? | 23:04 |
| NeoMatrixJR | wow. crap...the wife's passport expired! :( | 23:04 |
| stinebd | use a one-day turnaround service | 23:05 |
| NeoMatrixJR | and u have to book by 5/31 | 23:05 |
| stinebd | they're only like 250 | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:05 |
| NeoMatrixJR | with any luck they'll run another special | 23:05 |
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| stinebd | http://maduin.southcape.org/~bryan/242128_643885895777_43602203_34746256_6969539_o.jpeg | 23:06 |
| stinebd | the maid standing at the tree in center | 23:07 |
| stinebd | i was actually trying to get a picture of the shop signs but i screwed that up too | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:07 |
| NeoMatrixJR | cool beans | 23:07 |
| stinebd | kinda hard to take pictures at these places | 23:07 |
| stinebd | without getting in everyone's way | 23:08 |
| stinebd | there was at least one of those girls on almost every block | 23:11 |
| stinebd | so it was hard to find places i could take a picture of | 23:11 |
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| NeoMatrixJR | hmmm... Mineapolis Passport agency issues passports on site?.... might be able to pull that off if we really wanted to.... | 23:12 |
| NeoMatrixJR | seriously...any risk of radiation exposure right now? | 23:12 |
| stinebd | not in tokyo | 23:12 |
| stinebd | depends on your departing airport, if they're using the backscatter machines | 23:13 |
| stinebd | also if you like bananas, those give off natural ionizing radiation | 23:13 |
| NeoMatrixJR | HA! | 23:13 |
| NeoMatrixJR | so, other question I've always had... what is there to eat in Japan? I'm not a big sushi fan.... | 23:14 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:14 |
| stinebd | do what i did (my sister, with whom i went, doesn't eat anything fish either) -- seiyu supermarkets have prepared meals for between 200 and 400 yen | 23:15 |
| arrrghhh | you've obviously never eaten at a real japanese restaurant... they don't just eat sushi dude. | 23:15 |
| stinebd | do that for dinner, cereal or something for breakfast, and whatever/mcdonalds for lunch if needed | 23:15 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 23:15 |
| arrrghhh | mcd's | 23:15 |
| stinebd | if your lodging has a microwave, those prepared meals are perfect | 23:15 |
| NeoMatrixJR | yeah, I figured I'd eat a lot of McD's. and I'd do something easy like that for breakfast. | 23:15 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: mcdonalds in japan are very nice. food is about the same but service and cleanliness is several notches above ours | 23:15 |
| arrrghhh | that doesn't surprise me. | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure the menu is different too | 23:16 |
| stinebd | actually food might be a bit better | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 23:16 |
| stinebd | since it's usually not sitting around like in ours | 23:16 |
| NeoMatrixJR | and yeah arrrghhh, I know it's not *just* sushi... but I wasn't sure if that was the main staple actually IN the country | 23:16 |
| stinebd | do you know japanese? | 23:16 |
| NeoMatrixJR | no...don't know any japanese... wondered if that would be a problem too. | 23:17 |
| stinebd | a little bit, like any other country | 23:17 |
| ryannathans | whats up with su giving me permissing denied? | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea. usually the wealthier the country the more english they know lol | 23:17 |
| stinebd | japan is pretty wealthy | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | i found germany and austria, most people know english. czech republic? i was pointing at a lot of things. | 23:18 |
| stinebd | they may know english but they won't attempt to speak it | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | but i learned how to say beer and water in like 7 different languages. | 23:18 |
| stinebd | i had one japanese person walk up to me and speak english | 23:18 |
| stinebd | all week | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | even if you asked for help? | 23:18 |
| stinebd | i didn't really ask for help at all | 23:19 |
| arrrghhh | well | 23:19 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know why you'd expect random people to walk up to you and speak english lol | 23:19 |
| stinebd | japan in particular is a very introverted society | 23:19 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 23:19 |
| stinebd | if you ask someone for help, who isn't particularly good with english, they will probably just point to where you need to go for english help | 23:20 |
| stinebd | like if you have trouble at a subway station, they'll point you to the ticket office | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | that works. | 23:20 |
| stinebd | i picked up a whole lot of japanese there, kinda like when i went to germany | 23:22 |
| stinebd | except i picked up german at germany | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | would be odd to pickup japanese in germany. | 23:22 |
| stinebd | anyway, learn the greetings, arigatou gouzaimasu (thank you very much), and sumimasen (please forgive my newbity) and you're generally safe | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | yea, being cordial will get you anywhere in a foreign country | 23:24 |
| stinebd | most signage around tokyo is in kanji and romaji so that won't be a big problem | 23:24 |
| arrrghhh | and showing that you're at least trying to speak the language. | 23:24 |
| stinebd | knowing how to count would probably help too | 23:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:24 |
| stinebd | seriously | 23:24 |
| stinebd | i had to buy something by number in tokyo tower and japanese was the only way to go | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | ohgod | 23:25 |
| stinebd | so you either do that or hold your fingers up like a fool | 23:25 |
| stinebd | i am SO glad to have my phone back | 23:28 |
| NeoMatrixJR | dude...stinebd, what phone do u have? rhod, raph, ? | 23:29 |
| stinebd | my phone phone is a nexus one | 23:29 |
| NeoMatrixJR | ah... doesn't it make it hard to test this stuff then? | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | he's got a raph and a rhod | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | a few rhod's | 23:30 |
| stinebd | lol a few... only 2 | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | but he uses the n1 as his phone | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | more than my one phone | 23:30 |
| NeoMatrixJR | and u couldn't use one of those in japan? | 23:30 |
| arrrghhh | which i test on and use as a daily driver :P | 23:30 |
| stinebd | i needed google maps in japan | 23:31 |
| stinebd | and the winmo version is... insufficient | 23:32 |
| stinebd | so i stole my mom's atrix | 23:32 |
| stinebd | oh yeah, and i also needed internet calling | 23:33 |
| stinebd | which worked amazingly well | 23:33 |
| hyc | gingerbread native? or sipdroid? | 23:34 |
| stinebd | anything | 23:34 |
| stinebd | winmo doesn't do it | 23:34 |
| stinebd | at least not the rig i needed | 23:34 |
| hyc | ah | 23:34 |
| hyc | I've been using sipdroid for a couple years, it's good stuff | 23:34 |
| stinebd | i had to use fring because moto has busted audio drivers for the atrix, which fring has a workaround for | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should checkout sipdroid. | 23:35 |
| stinebd | gingerbread native is the best solution but i had to smashify my phone so i ruined that plan | 23:35 |
| hyc | heh | 23:35 |
| stinebd | sipdroid does work very well with good audio drivers | 23:35 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't tried gb native either, does it even work on our build? | 23:35 |
| stinebd | hopefully | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | i'm gonna smash your new n1, maybe then you'll give gb some more love :P | 23:36 |
| stinebd | that's not exactly the reason i've been slacking off | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | so hyc - did you see my question on sleep & native devices? | 23:37 |
| stinebd | with the trip out of the way maybe i'll get back to work | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | yea i know i'm just givin you crap. | 23:37 |
| hyc | eh? oh. there's no particular solution | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure running up to the trip you were slammed dude, :P | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, so rogue apps kill sleep on native devices, you don't really notice? just gotta be vigilant? | 23:37 |
| stinebd | the trip had me wigging out | 23:37 |
| stinebd | and then work was worse, i had a lot of crap going on there too | 23:37 |
| stinebd | once i got to tokyo, i was really glad to not have to worry about work at all | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | i bet | 23:38 |
| arrrghhh | then you had to leave, and were probably saddened :P | 23:38 |
| NeoMatrixJR | Sorry u miss Japan but it's good to have you back stinebd. arrrghhh here's been telling everyone to wait for frx07 and the natives are getting restless. Me, it's time for sleep. Later! | 23:39 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: yep. that's why I usually check battery history in spare parts | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | i've been telling the rubes to wait, yes. | 23:39 |
| arrrghhh | i point people in the direction of the testing stuff, and say fuck off if you don't get it :P | 23:40 |
| stinebd | well i'm back to work saturday so frx07 will still have to wait | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | i've been slammed at work too - haven't really tested any of the merge requests. | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | at least not on my own tree | 23:40 |
| arrrghhh | frx07 might as well wait until the bt/audio routing stuff gets solidified. | 23:41 |
| stinebd | yeah i've been reading a lot of the complaints about audio | 23:42 |
| stinebd | is that all devices? | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | well | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | it will be... | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | it seems jb only released the RHOD stuff... | 23:43 |
| hyc | no | 23:43 |
| hyc | JB didn't release anything | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | or you only released the RHOD stuff from JB? | 23:43 |
| arrrghhh | yea, true. | 23:43 |
| hyc | and the kernel patches are not RHOD-specific | 23:43 |
| hyc | the only reason I said that I was posting for RHOD only is because that's all I know about | 23:44 |
| hyc | and the kernels I build are missing the TI wifi module | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | the userland stuff? is that device-agnostic as well? | 23:44 |
| hyc | but JB says his stuff works on all devices | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | ah. i thought you meant he was going to fix his trees so it will | 23:45 |
| hyc | he's cleaned up his code again, but it was all devices before | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | k | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | i misinterpreted your post. wouldn't be the first time, probably won't be the last :P | 23:47 |
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