| hyc | i popped over to the Vogue forum, there was still a thread there about trying to get MMS working with verizon. well, an abandoned thread. | 00:00 |
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| arrrghhh | lol | 00:00 |
| hyc | i posted a reply there, now we know it works fine with the new ril. | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | Vogue = your project? | 00:00 |
| hyc | no. openldap.org | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 00:01 |
| hyc | you sprint folks are apparently outtaluck :p | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | yea i saw | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | and openldap isn't being searched for by 14-year-olds... | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | no offense, but seriously. | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | neopeek MODS are all 14-year-olds. | 00:02 |
| hyc | i bet there's some other auth keyword or useragent tweak that sprint required | 00:02 |
| hyc | lol | 00:02 |
| hyc | thank god for the confirmation. | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not joking either. | 00:03 |
| hyc | was gonna say, it all sounds like a bunch of clueless kids. now i know. ;) | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | some are sharp | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | there's a 14-year-old that has his own kernel tree over thar. | 00:03 |
| hyc | heh. cool. but overall, still just kids | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | considering you started openldap in '98 | 00:04 |
| arrrghhh | i'm probably just a kid to you too :P | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | but hey. | 00:05 |
| hyc | lol | 00:06 |
| hyc | my first open source project was a star trek game in pascal, in 1986. | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | damn. | 00:07 |
| hyc | it's still out there on some archive sites. | 00:07 |
| arrrghhh | mind me asking what year you were born in? :P | 00:07 |
| hyc | i have a project i started in 1988, that's now on sourceforge. one of the few whose source history is way older than sourceforge itself ;) | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:08 |
| hyc | hmmm.. i just had a birthday this week. age is a touchy subject :p | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | happy b-day? | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | belated eh | 00:08 |
| hyc | lol. thx | 00:09 |
| arrrghhh | well i'm glad you have graced our humble project. | 00:09 |
| hyc | heh | 00:09 |
| arrrghhh | I was surprised to find out how old WisTilt2 is... | 00:09 |
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| arrrghhh | great to see people from all walks participating. | 00:10 |
| hyc | probably inevitable. there aren't any other decent phones :p | 00:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i do love the profile of the phone. | 00:10 |
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| arrrghhh | just wish it had an LED flash and maybe some beefier specs :P | 00:10 |
| hyc | hm, he strikes me as having been around a while too | 00:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:11 |
| hyc | yeah, more ram, faster cpu. digital compass :P | 00:11 |
| arrrghhh | i think he's in his late 60's if not early 70's? not entirely sure. but he is a grandpa. | 00:11 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:11 |
| arrrghhh | digital compass. still surprised the G1 has that and tp2 doesn't. | 00:11 |
| hyc | yeah i was surprised it was missing.... oh well | 00:12 |
| arrrghhh | in several ways, HTC cheaped out on the TP2. | 00:12 |
| hyc | early 70s and still hacking kernels? cool ... | 00:12 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. still goin out to the desert and ridin dirt bikes... | 00:13 |
| hyc | eh, they cheap out on every phone | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | man is impressive | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | the tp1 i thought was pretty premium | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | for it's time | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | its rather | 00:13 |
| hyc | yeah? | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | same proc/ram/rom as tp2 | 00:13 |
| hyc | i thought tp2 was basically identical specs | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | same cam lol | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | but tp1 came out at least a year before it | 00:13 |
| arrrghhh | and it has a led flash | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | pretty solid litte phone | 00:14 |
| hyc | ah | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | dunno about the digital compass... | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | also, isn't BCM crap cheaper than TI? | 00:14 |
| hyc | so tp2 did lose some stuff relative to tp1 | 00:14 |
| hyc | probably. | 00:14 |
| arrrghhh | yea, other than screen size, kbd size with it... and ofc the tilt screen. | 00:14 |
| hyc | of course both ti abd bcm are flaky here | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | i told a guy that in the sprint store when i was getting my tp2. | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | an employee | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | he said 'no way, specs are way better on the tp2' | 00:15 |
| hyc | lol | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | i was like uhhhhh no. | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | and i popped in a SD card and booted android right there on my 'new' tp2. | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | he was like wtf you can't flash this thing. i told him i didn't flash anything lol | 00:16 |
| hyc | lol | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | i love screwin with those guys. so dumb. | 00:16 |
| hyc | would've loved to see that! | 00:16 |
| arrrghhh | yea, my buddy works for corporate sprint, always asks me about new phones. | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | like wtf dude this relationship is backwards! | 00:17 |
| hyc | sheesh | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | he just deals with big corporate/public sector accts tho. | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't really do anything with the phones per se... | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | but still. you'd figure he'd know where the gurus are within sprint... | 00:18 |
| arrrghhh | ah well. so Quake on the TP2 | 00:19 |
| arrrghhh | i'm guessing you haven't tried it? | 00:19 |
| arrrghhh | i was going to ask 'how' | 00:19 |
| hyc | not yet | 00:19 |
| hyc | you have to install the apk and the game data | 00:19 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 00:19 |
| hyc | since you've got a build tree ther you should have it all too | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 00:20 |
| Recnamoruen | what up kids | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | y'know, just living the dream. | 00:20 |
| hyc | like i said, it's always compiled... | 00:20 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: i know but where does it end up? | 00:20 |
| Recnamoruen | Hey hyc | 00:21 |
| hyc | oh | 00:21 |
| Recnamoruen | your ril worked great | 00:21 |
| hyc | got to external/quake and read the readmd | 00:21 |
| hyc | Recnamoruen: cool | 00:21 |
| Recnamoruen | I'm going to post a log for you though | 00:21 |
| Recnamoruen | Its not staying connected to 3g | 00:22 |
| Recnamoruen | keeps dumping me back to 1x | 00:22 |
| hyc | heh ok | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | Recnamoruen: i've had that happen - in shitty service areas. | 00:22 |
| hyc | typical | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should boot to winmo to verify | 00:22 |
| Recnamoruen | well the thing is where I'm at we have great signal strength | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | but my buddy's new house just a little bit from me always goes into 1x. | 00:22 |
| arrrghhh | Recnamoruen: with 3g..? | 00:23 |
| Recnamoruen | Yea | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | cuz i can have great signal strength on 1x. | 00:23 |
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| Recnamoruen | no my 1x signal sucks | 00:23 |
| Recnamoruen | 3g tends to be pretty good | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | 1x is slow | 00:23 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't mean it's shitty signal strenght - at least not always. | 00:23 |
| hyc | 1x was 144kbps | 00:23 |
| Recnamoruen | i was actually looking at the phone info | 00:24 |
| hyc | pretty good when before you only had 14kbps | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:24 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: it's not 1998 | 00:24 |
| hyc | i used to use my startac 7868 as a modem... | 00:24 |
| hyc | wired up my own rs232 data cable for it | 00:25 |
| Recnamoruen | hey arrrghhh | 00:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:25 |
| arrrghhh | yes? | 00:25 |
| Recnamoruen | does the radio flashed to the device affect winmo at all? | 00:25 |
| Recnamoruen | android* | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 00:26 |
| hyc | and back then, 14k was faster than dialup :p | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | radio flashed is radio flashed | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: no joke. | 00:26 |
| Recnamoruen | kk | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | my parents didn't get off of dial-up until after i left for college. | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | and i got to college and had 100mbit... zomg. | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | i was in heaven. | 00:26 |
| hyc | lol | 00:26 |
| arrrghhh | i've had broadband of some sort ever since | 00:27 |
| hyc | yeah, been on cable internet now for years | 00:27 |
| hyc | wish it was symmetric speed. oh well | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | yea. wish i lived in one of those fiber-to-the-home cities. not too many o dem tho. | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | i built out this cable head-end in Wilson NC | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | for this new company called GreenLightr | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | er | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | GreenLight | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | now they're all over the internet, freakin sweet company. | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | i've seen several articles on engadget about them heh. | 00:28 |
| hyc | cool | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | yea, 10/10 for like $35/mo | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | something crazy like that | 00:29 |
| hyc | ahhhh | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | and they do iptv over the fiber | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | voice | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | all from their own headend. used to just be the local power company. | 00:29 |
| Recnamoruen | hmm | 00:29 |
| Recnamoruen | radio log is getting stuck | 00:29 |
| hyc | so they've branched out, nice | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | they said to time warner or cox whoever was out there that if they used the fiber they're laying, lower your prices and provide faster speeds. | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | the big cable company said f-that. so the town of Wilson said FU | 00:30 |
| hyc | lol. good job on them | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | now the big cable companies are trying to make 'community' internet illegal. | 00:30 |
| hyc | bastards | 00:30 |
| arrrghhh | say it's unfair competition. | 00:30 |
| Recnamoruen | Hyc where do you like your logs | 00:32 |
| hyc | doesn't matter | 00:32 |
| hyc | pm or pastebin | 00:32 |
| arrrghhh | lol PM copypasta | 00:33 |
| arrrghhh | that would suck. | 00:33 |
| Recnamoruen | http://pastebin.com/a0mUsxhc | 00:34 |
| hyc | I think I'm going to have to quit hacking on this phone soon. the usb port is wearing out. | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:36 |
| hyc | can't get a reliable connection for adb | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | that's not good | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | do you have insurance? | 00:36 |
| hyc | on the phone? it was off ebay. no. | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | yea i have insurance on mine. | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | anything goes wrong, new one. | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | that's how i got the tp2 actually, free upgrade from the tp1. | 00:37 |
| hyc | hm, so not the exact same model huh | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | no tp1 was quite a bit smaller | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | and 640x400 or whatever | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | i can't remember the res lol | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | 640x480 | 00:38 |
| arrrghhh | 2.8" screen | 00:38 |
| hyc | so if you had to an insurance replacement this time around, would they still offer the tp2? would you pick something else? | 00:38 |
| arrrghhh | depends on what they offered me | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | this last time it was tp2, some bb or the moment. | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | moment had a better proc, but i liked the tp2 better. | 00:39 |
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| hyc | probably was the better choice. samsung seems pretty flaky | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | i looked, mod community seemed poor. | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | i knew tp2 had some android dev. | 00:40 |
| hyc | ah... I also bought the TP2 'cause I had read that android had been ported to it | 00:42 |
| hyc | but if I had known how incomplete it was back then, I dunno ... | 00:42 |
| hyc | but it's been a fun couple of months | 00:43 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:43 |
| arrrghhh | glad you took up the cause :D | 00:43 |
| arrrghhh | with some more kernel work, and a few more tweaks... it'll be solid. | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | plus with those premature yokels working on NAND... :P | 00:44 |
| hyc | always happy to jump into some code ;) | 00:44 |
| hyc | LOL | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | ACL sounded offended hahaha | 00:44 |
| hyc | yeah, I just figure if I rib 'em a few times they'll put out a polished ROM just to spite me | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | i'm excited for it. I think non-stop Android use killed my 8gb card. | 00:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:45 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 00:45 |
| arrrghhh | they're making some great progress. ACL ended up bricking his phone at some point it sounded like. Nate's also had issues with USB and relocked, and now he can't unlock... | 00:45 |
| hyc | bummer | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | whatever cotulla has is vaporware at this point. | 00:46 |
| hyc | yeah | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | which doesn't surprise me. | 00:46 |
| hyc | I prefer to write the code first, then talk about it later :P | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | i hope wistilt2 comes back soon | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | lol no joke | 00:46 |
| arrrghhh | like those guys that put huge spoilers and big mufflers on their car, but have nothing done under the hood. | 00:47 |
| hyc | lol | 00:47 |
| hyc | yeah, jokers | 00:47 |
| arrrghhh | i prefer to do the opposite. | 00:47 |
| arrrghhh | put the work under the hood, leave the outside lookin stock :D | 00:47 |
| hyc | yes, exactly | 00:47 |
| hyc | Recnamoruen: I don't see much out of the ordinary in your log | 00:48 |
| arrrghhh | did you see the patches on BT hyc? | 00:48 |
| Recnamoruen | thats all i wanted to know | 00:48 |
| hyc | whatever your signal + radio are doing, it's not anything the ril can control | 00:48 |
| arrrghhh | i know a ton of people are clamoring for that. | 00:48 |
| hyc | I saw the kernel patches go by, userland still hasn't surfaced | 00:48 |
| arrrghhh | oh i thought the ML post had both | 00:49 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that was more kernel stuff only eh. | 00:49 |
| hyc | I also want to see the new libhtc-acoustic | 00:49 |
| hyc | wonder if it will get rid of the speaker noise and other crap | 00:49 |
| arrrghhh | yea, there's a lot of weird issues with audio | 00:49 |
| arrrghhh | i swear that's part of the issue with incoming calls. | 00:50 |
| arrrghhh | i almost always miss calls because the screen doesn't wake/show the call in time. | 00:50 |
| hyc | heh | 00:50 |
| arrrghhh | sometimes the hardware answer key saves me. | 00:50 |
| hyc | I'm not sure the renice script is helping anyone on that | 00:50 |
| arrrghhh | that's the worst part of this whole port. using the damned thing as a phone lol. | 00:50 |
| hyc | because it's renicing e.g. the Phone process, but most of what you want is the UI | 00:51 |
| arrrghhh | it's always been pretty painful. back in the day it was downright dangerous. | 00:51 |
| hyc | lol | 00:51 |
| hyc | yeah, kinda funny. It can do this this and this. Use it as a phone? uhhhh.... | 00:51 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:51 |
| Recnamoruen | lol | 00:52 |
| Recnamoruen | i never have issues with my phone calls | 00:52 |
| Recnamoruen | :P | 00:52 |
| arrrghhh | you don't have problems answering incoming calls? | 00:52 |
| Recnamoruen | not at all | 00:52 |
| arrrghhh | wtf. | 00:52 |
| arrrghhh | i constantly miss calls because the phone doesn't want to wake in time | 00:53 |
| Recnamoruen | weird | 00:53 |
| Recnamoruen | no | 00:53 |
| Recnamoruen | my phone immediately comes on when phone calls come through | 00:53 |
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| arrrghhh | hrm | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | in full sleep? | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | soild green ELD | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | er | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | LED | 00:53 |
| Recnamoruen | yep | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if it's radio version realted. | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | related | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | didn't you say you're CDMA? | 00:54 |
| Recnamoruen | yes | 00:54 |
| Recnamoruen | Cdma verizon | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | we'd have different radio's then anyways. | 00:54 |
| Recnamoruen | I also have full mms capabilities as of last night | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 00:54 |
| Recnamoruen | I just flashed to sprints | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | send&rec? | 00:54 |
| Recnamoruen | yeppers | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | sprint's radio...? | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | yep | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | Was recp,,emded | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't think that would work. | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | was recommended | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | werid. | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | weird* | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | which one? | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | 2.32? | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | um | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | 2.32 | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | same | 00:55 |
| hyc | yeah, the radios are pretty interchangeable. the carrier-specific stuff is in a separate part of memory | 00:55 |
| arrrghhh | so why does my phones not wake. | 00:55 |
| Recnamoruen | hates you | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: do you have any problems with the phone waking for calls? | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:56 |
| Recnamoruen | no all i need is 1 more thing | 00:56 |
| Recnamoruen | and android is complete and works perfect for me | 00:56 |
| Recnamoruen | My phone charges without starting fires since ive been using tilts kernel | 00:57 |
| Recnamoruen | mms and calls work perfect | 00:57 |
| arrrghhh | i'm mad that mms works for you | 00:57 |
| Recnamoruen | just need the 3.5mm working | 00:57 |
| arrrghhh | on rec, i get a dl link | 00:57 |
| arrrghhh | and it does NOTHING | 00:57 |
| arrrghhh | sending seems to work now tho | 00:57 |
| Recnamoruen | Hyc was thinking it might need a token | 00:57 |
| hyc | yeah, just a guess | 00:58 |
| arrrghhh | how praytel do i figgur that out? | 00:58 |
| hyc | we need someone with a native android sprint phone to run tcpdump while receiving an mms | 00:58 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 00:58 |
| hyc | then we can see the http request they send to sprint's server | 00:58 |
| arrrghhh | any native android sprint phone? | 00:59 |
| hyc | I don't think it should matter, as long as we can tcpdump their mobile data interface | 00:59 |
| hyc | then do a similar trace on ours, see what's missing | 00:59 |
| arrrghhh | k | 01:00 |
| Recnamoruen | sorry arrgh even with a different radio still getting it | 01:00 |
| hyc | yeah I doubt the radio version would make such a big difference | 01:00 |
| arrrghhh | are you talking about your 1x issue? | 01:00 |
| Recnamoruen | no | 01:00 |
| Recnamoruen | mms | 01:00 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 01:00 |
| arrrghhh | that's your carrier | 01:01 |
| Recnamoruen | I think my 1x issue might be related to mms | 01:01 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think it's the radio version. | 01:01 |
| hyc | your phone always switches to 1x whenever you do a voice call | 01:01 |
| hyc | I see a couple voice calls in your log. that's just the way CDMA works. | 01:01 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: you actually switch it off | 01:01 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if that's why... | 01:02 |
| hyc | EvDO only works for data; it doesn't work for voice. | 01:02 |
| hyc | which is silly, considering VOIP these days, but whatever | 01:02 |
| arrrghhh | i can't remember if that brief time i tested wistilt2's ril stuff if incoming calls were different | 01:02 |
| Recnamoruen | Yeah but i'm wondering if when it switches its not able to restart it | 01:02 |
| arrrghhh | i know it can | 01:02 |
| arrrghhh | i've seen it! | 01:02 |
| Recnamoruen | ? | 01:02 |
| arrrghhh | oh well. i need sleep. | 01:03 |
| hyc | yeah, I'm outtahere | 01:03 |
| arrrghhh | switch back from 1x to evdo | 01:03 |
| arrrghhh | peace | 01:03 |
| Recnamoruen | night guys | 01:03 |
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| hyc | 'night | 01:03 |
| Recnamoruen | I'll test again 2moroow and let you know | 01:03 |
| Recnamoruen | updated to ur lastest ril and everything | 01:03 |
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| peanut_ | hi i just tryed overclocking my tilt2 and im wondering how do i know if it worked? | 04:04 |
| GPFerror | i tried SystemPanelLite from the market seem to show me, i overclocked my tilt2 to 786mhz and SystemPanelLite reports 768mhz is the max clock | 04:15 |
| peanut_ | thanks | 04:16 |
| peanut_ | it seems that it lags a lot after the overclock | 04:16 |
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| peanut_ | u used this to overclock right ? | 04:17 |
| peanut_ | acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=614400 | 04:17 |
| GPFerror | i have acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=786432 | 04:18 |
| peanut_ | i know that u have to put it in the start.txt | 04:18 |
| GPFerror | yeah startup.txt | 04:19 |
| peanut_ | but after u go in there do u put it as the first or as last? | 04:19 |
| GPFerror | mine is near the end right before the keyboard setting acpuclock.oc_freq_khz=786432 hw3d.force=1 physkeyboard=tilt2" | 04:21 |
| peanut_ | oh | 04:21 |
| GPFerror | i am running gingerbread version | 04:21 |
| GPFerror | but i used the same startup.txt with froyo | 04:21 |
| peanut_ | i see | 04:21 |
| peanut_ | i put mine at the beginning of the whole thing | 04:22 |
| GPFerror | i don't know if it matters | 04:22 |
| GPFerror | i copied and pasted mine from some forum post :) | 04:22 |
| peanut_ | ok im checking to see if it works right now | 04:23 |
| GPFerror | i would have stayed with froyo but was hoping gingerbread version would work with my work exchange server but it doesn't | 04:23 |
| GPFerror | then i found the touchdown app on market so i am good, trying to decide to go back to froyo | 04:23 |
| peanut_ | how do i know the max mhz? | 04:24 |
| GPFerror | trial and error | 04:24 |
| peanut_ | im in SystemPanelLite right now | 04:24 |
| GPFerror | click your menu key and goto Dev Info | 04:25 |
| peanut_ | oh | 04:25 |
| peanut_ | it didnt work still at 528 | 04:25 |
| peanut_ | ill do it like urs and see if it works | 04:26 |
| peanut_ | hows the battery life after overclock? | 04:26 |
| GPFerror | haven't tried it not overclocked :) | 04:27 |
| peanut_ | i thought urs was at 768 | 04:28 |
| GPFerror | yeah | 04:28 |
| GPFerror | haven't comparted battery life regular vs overclocked | 04:28 |
| peanut_ | wat do u mean havent trier it not overclocked? | 04:28 |
| peanut_ | oh | 04:28 |
| peanut_ | i see | 04:28 |
| peanut_ | haha i thought u meant u havent overclocked | 04:29 |
| GPFerror | i am usually near a charger at work i leave it plugged in and at home i do to | 04:29 |
| peanut_ | ah | 04:29 |
| peanut_ | i just hope its not too bad | 04:29 |
| peanut_ | mine doesnt have the hw3d.force=1 so i just put it before the keyboard | 04:33 |
| peanut_ | ok i think it worked | 04:38 |
| peanut_ | max now is 710 | 04:38 |
| peanut_ | thanks | 04:40 |
| peanut_ | i didnt know how to get it to work before | 04:40 |
| peanut_ | i have one more problem tho | 04:41 |
| peanut_ | it seems when i try to watch a youtube video in HQ i only get the sound | 04:41 |
| GPFerror | havent tried youtube | 04:47 |
| peanut_ | has the web browser over froze on uwhile using 2.3? | 04:49 |
| peanut_ | i tried it once | 04:49 |
| peanut_ | but it kept frezing | 04:50 |
| peanut_ | so i went back | 04:50 |
| GPFerror | i read something today about that , something about gps and the browser | 04:50 |
| peanut_ | i think i had gps off while i as using it | 04:50 |
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| peanut_ | thanks for the help | 05:00 |
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| rootbluez | hi | 05:46 |
| rootbluez | anyone there..? | 05:46 |
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| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Releases bug 127 filed... | 07:56 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=127 normal, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Bluetooth not working | 07:56 |
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| xdandroid | arrrghhh marked bug 127 as a duplicate of bug 1. | 09:51 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=127 normal, Normal, ---, developers, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Bluetooth not working | 09:51 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 enhancement, Normal, ---, stinebd, NEW, Bluetooth not working correctly | 09:51 |
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| mightybox | hi | 10:56 |
| mightybox | i need some help with new rootfs 20110501 | 11:01 |
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| frankx | what i have to do to get data back on the newest rootfs? | 11:36 |
| frankx | ?\ | 11:41 |
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| jcmsVEN | jcmsVenandroids flying and drawing XDandroid22:37 jcmsVenpower red light is ON and stay22:38 jcmsVenbring-up main screen22:38 jcmsVenbattery full but is really is 20%22:38 jcmsVennetwork on...but I call and it doesn't ring22:39 jcmsVenhard buttons: call, Hell, Back and Power are ON and stay22:40 jcmsVentouch doesn't work22:40 jcmsVenit's all for now22:40 *** T_D_H has quit IRC22:41 jcmsVenphone is hang-up | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | wtf | 13:32 |
| jcmsVEN | sorry | 13:34 |
| jcmsVEN | I have formated SD card, Installed last version XDAndroid and calib file | 13:36 |
| jcmsVEN | androids flying and drawing XDandroid | 13:36 |
| jcmsVEN | power red light is ON and stay | 13:36 |
| jcmsVEN | bring-up main screen | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | battery full but is really is 20% | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | network on...but I call and it doesn't ring | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | hard buttons: call, Hell, Back and Power are ON and stay | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | touch screen doesn't work | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | phone is hanged-up | 13:37 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 13:37 |
| arrrghhh | do you have a question? | 13:37 |
| jcmsVEN | Why my TP2 CDMA doesn't work after applied this procedure? | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | dunno | 13:39 |
| arrrghhh | what build did you download | 13:39 |
| jcmsVEN | FRX06_Full_Bundle_25.3.2011.zip | 13:39 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 13:39 |
| arrrghhh | so your button lights were on when you booted android | 13:40 |
| jcmsVEN | yes | 13:40 |
| jcmsVEN | hard buttons: call, Hell, Back and Power are ON and stay | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | that will cause them to stay on - be sure these lights are OFF in WinMo before booting Android | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | stop, and read what i'm telling you before responding please. | 13:40 |
| jcmsVEN | let me check | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | next, power LED indicates sleep state. read the FAQ | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't boot up Android with a low battery - the meter is pretty inaccurate at this stage. | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | there's some effort to improve it, but it needs some tweaking it seems before it's accepted mainline. | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | touch screen works fine, if you're having calib issues create your own calib file. | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | it's in the steps. | 13:41 |
| jcmsVEN | no way... let me read the FAQ one more time. Android boots fine; but after main screen, hangs-up | 13:45 |
| jcmsVEN | or hanged-up... i don't know | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | hangs up? | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | hanged up? | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | freezes? | 13:46 |
| jcmsVEN | freezes | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | that's another issue entirely | 13:46 |
| helicopter88 | it does seem the old ril issue.. | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | new RIL+rootfs will solve your issue with freezing jcmsVEN | 13:46 |
| jcmsVEN | excuse me... what is ril? | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | can't wait for the new build... | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | don't worry | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | although this might be over your head | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | in which case, just wait for the new build. | 13:47 |
| jcmsVEN | okey | 13:47 |
| jcmsVEN | no problem | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | jcmsVEN, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=950383 | 13:47 |
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| jcmsVEN | 3 months ago it worked fine.... with XDAndroid Startup App from the #$#&(!# Winmob | 13:49 |
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| arrrghhh | if you say so | 13:49 |
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| emwe | uh... just booted up FRX06 on the diamond. looks so old baked when having looked at gb only the last weeks | 14:34 |
| emwe | erm, raphel of course... | 14:34 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 14:42 |
| arrrghhh | what's up emwe | 14:42 |
| emwe | just testing 2.6.27 on the raph | 14:43 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 14:43 |
| emwe | at least wanna test out kernel patches before pushing | 14:43 |
| emwe | and then nened to fix gb build | 14:44 |
| emwe | *need | 14:44 |
| emwe | i read some users hava data issues? | 14:44 |
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| arrrghhh | yes | 14:45 |
| arrrghhh | CDMA especially | 14:45 |
| arrrghhh | but i haven't tried it in a while | 14:45 |
| arrrghhh | especially not with the new RIL | 14:45 |
| arrrghhh | although i doubt the issues are RIL related. | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | on CDMA, every single phone call renders data useless. | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | 3g icon is still present, but doesn't do anything. | 14:46 |
| emwe | i've lost track what and what not wen't into rootfs honestly | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 14:46 |
| arrrghhh | lots | 14:46 |
| emwe | i had to revert one erroneous, though harmless, merge ;) | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | oryl | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | er | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:47 |
| emwe | ril patches wen't to rootfs. | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 14:47 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i think that was done because the RIL used to reside in the rootfs | 14:47 |
| emwe | yes, but not the .c files ;) | 14:49 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 14:50 |
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| emwe | but i think it is just natural with all those merge requests going on between testing and finding bugs | 14:51 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:52 |
| emwe | ah damnit! | 14:52 |
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| emwe | i enabled auto-bl on the raph... | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 14:52 |
| arrrghhh | that still borked eh? | 14:52 |
| emwe | yeah. one could say it's my fault. | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | watch it buddy | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | we'll start blaming everything on you if you volunteer blame. | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:53 |
| emwe | was the liblights change | 14:53 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 14:53 |
| emwe | only sending bl-values to set when in manual mode | 14:53 |
| emwe | somehow the raph needs it on resume - likely only once - after setting it to auto-bl again | 14:54 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, ping | 14:58 |
| xdandroid | New kernel available (20110502_205605) at http://zimages.googlecode.com/files/htc-msm-linux-20110502_205605-package.tar.bz2 | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | Oo | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | bt fixes w00t | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | now we need that new libhtcacoustic :D | 15:07 |
| toadlife | so does bt work now? | 15:09 |
| emwe | i enabled it and had my laptop discover it. so far for functionality. :) | 15:10 |
| toadlife | on RHODIUM???!!!!! | 15:10 |
| emwe | raph | 15:11 |
| toadlife | bahh | 15:11 |
| emwe | but the patches come from jb with his rhod | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, it works, we need userland changes | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | jb said it's been working for him just fine | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | he just needs to send us the gold... | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | i can't believe so many people care about BT | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | i never use it | 15:11 |
| emwe | wasn't it even just rootfs init.xyz.cfg? | 15:11 |
| emwe | .rc... | 15:11 |
| arrrghhh | dunno | 15:11 |
| emwe | i never used bt | 15:12 |
| arrrghhh | i guess if i still installed for a living | 15:13 |
| arrrghhh | i used BT then | 15:13 |
| arrrghhh | but that was before my phone had GPS ;P | 15:13 |
| emwe | is there a way to shutdown xdandroid by a shutdown script or sth? | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | damn you xda-devs | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | uhm, hyc was working on a proper shutdown | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | but thru the power menu, yea. | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | it just doesn't work right - things don't get unmounted cleanly. | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | and IIRC it doesn't shutdown either heh. | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | just reboots | 15:26 |
| emwe | i dislike reboot -f in the meantime | 15:26 |
| emwe | ;) | 15:26 |
| arrrghhh | is there somewhere that jb is working? | 15:31 |
| arrrghhh | i see that alex found a bug and sent the fix to jb. | 15:32 |
| arrrghhh | or is it just email/jb's tree | 15:32 |
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| emwe | pardon? | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | eh i dunno | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | i just like following development. i can't seem to follow jb'.s | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | jb's | 15:37 |
| emwe | just look at the linux-msm page and watch his commits fly by ;) | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | not good enough!! :P | 15:38 |
| emwe | erm, then i dunno | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | bummer. | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | he seems to randomly appear in the forums. | 15:38 |
| emwe | i am by time privately mailing regarding to topa incall freeze/bug | 15:38 |
| arrrghhh | i'm just wondering if there's another forum i'm missing. | 15:38 |
| emwe | likely not | 15:39 |
| emwe | i am rather inactive on xda as well | 15:40 |
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| arrrghhh | helicopter88, wtf | 15:48 |
| arrrghhh | stabstabstab | 15:48 |
| helicopter88 | arrrghhh: i've been messing with windows taskbar | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol so it signs you in and out of IRC a lot? :P | 15:49 |
| helicopter88 | messing with shortcuts,and closing programs thing.. | 15:49 |
| helicopter88 | now i've got everything as i want... | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | good, leave it ;) | 15:51 |
| helicopter88 | maybe tomorrow i'll get bored of my taskbar... | 15:51 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 15:51 |
| helicopter88 | i used to change visual style twice a day,but now i'm still with the same,and is awesome.. | 15:52 |
| arrrghhh | oh to be a kid again | 15:52 |
| helicopter88 | i love to change look at everything i have.. | 15:53 |
| arrrghhh | Oo tcpdump doesn't seem very straightforward... | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | hm | 15:54 |
| helicopter88 | what are you doing? | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | trying to fix MMS reception | 15:55 |
| arrrghhh | bbl | 15:55 |
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| kanox | hey guys just thought i should relay the message i got, im activating a vogue on boost right now and the guy told me i can use it but in a few days they are kicking non boost phones off, kinda sucks for us who cant do sprint | 15:58 |
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| hyc | emwe: my shutdown patches ere posted to the ml. they work. | 16:25 |
| emwe | hyc: hey. i don't meant them not working. i was looking for a shell script to pull down system. | 16:26 |
| emwe | you know a trick? | 16:26 |
| hyc | of course | 16:26 |
| hyc | my patches add a shutdown service to init | 16:27 |
| * emwe listens | 16:27 | |
| hyc | just use "start shutdown" | 16:27 |
| emwe | that reminds me off the endless discussion why the winxp start button would be used to power off the system. | 16:28 |
| hyc | yeah, i know... | 16:28 |
| emwe | are these patches independant of anything else pending? | 16:28 |
| hyc | i couldhave made it "stop system" i guess | 16:28 |
| hyc | well, the init code is what it is. but it will to umount /data if anything else is still open on it | 16:29 |
| hyc | so, if you don't have my rootfs patches that eliminate /data bindmounts, then it still won't be clean.. | 16:30 |
| hyc | *init will fail to unmount /data* | 16:30 |
| emwe | hmpfs, now another issue... have you resolved the phone app crash with stinebd? | 16:32 |
| emwe | just fired up my yesterdays gb build from "trunk" | 16:32 |
| emwe | 05-02 22:32:09.404 1818 1818 E AndroidRuntime: FATAL EXCEPTION: main | 16:33 |
| emwe | 05-02 22:32:09.404 1818 1818 E AndroidRuntime: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: column 'protocol' does not exist | 16:33 |
| emwe | 05-02 22:32:09.404 1818 1818 E AndroidRuntime: at android.database.AbstractCursor.getColumnIndexOrThrow(AbstractCursor.java:314) | 16:33 |
| emwe | going to drop data.img again. gpslib freeze on first boot likely screwed it again. | 16:35 |
| hyc | i resolved *a* phone.app crash with stinebd. seems to be a different trace than yours. | 16:38 |
| hyc | but yeah it sounds like your telephony db is hosed | 16:39 |
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| toadlife | hyc | emwe : Do you guys know what causes the audio routing problems during calls? Lately I've been encountering that bug where the other person can't hear you and switching speaker on/off solves the problem - only lately switching the speaker on and off hasn't solved the problem. Is that a kernel or userland issue? | 16:53 |
| emwe | toadlife: it might be kernel then. there's been no userland changes yet regarding audio. | 16:53 |
| toadlife | I was using wistilt2's latest test kernel. I' | 16:54 |
| emwe | toadlife: jb is working on audio currently and striving for integrating his changes to kernel and userland | 16:54 |
| toadlife | I've switched to the auto build kernel and latest rootfs and reset my data | 16:54 |
| toadlife | thanks | 16:54 |
| emwe | wis' kernel has some mods which might not be present on autobuild | 16:55 |
| toadlife | Yeah, autobuild kernel is slow to wake somtimes | 16:55 |
| emwe | hyc: 2nd trial with clean data.img resulted in the same. will have to investigate later. switched back to my older build. need to do some logs for jb. | 16:55 |
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| hyc | yeah, wistilt2's patches are still missing from main kernel repo. | 17:09 |
| hyc | so far i'm back to running his. much better battery life, and clock stays closer to true time. | 17:10 |
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| hyc | on the autobuilds, battery life is short, phone runs hot, and clock loses a minute per hour | 17:11 |
| hyc | i wish he would freakin' post his patches already. | 17:12 |
| hyc | this isn't a commercial release, he's not releasing a polished product to end users. | 17:12 |
| hyc | this is a developer community, you release works in progress while they're in progress. | 17:13 |
| hyc | and you get feedback on the code while you go. | 17:13 |
| hyc | amazing that people don't get that | 17:14 |
| emwe | dunno really if he's trying to hold something back | 17:18 |
| emwe | but at least has has something to test out for others. | 17:18 |
| emwe | there's still that vaporware 2.6.32 ... | 17:19 |
| stinebd | haha http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/obama-bin-laden?s=mobile | 17:19 |
| emwe | hyc: what is it when the 3g and signal strength bars stay grey? | 17:19 |
| emwe | stinebd, good evening. | 17:20 |
| emwe | or morning... | 17:20 |
| stinebd | emwe: don't start with the doesn't build stuff, i'm too busy for xdandroid tonight | 17:20 |
| emwe | lol | 17:20 |
| stinebd | also hello, it's evening here | 17:20 |
| stinebd | we're 8 hours off i think | 17:20 |
| emwe | ah | 17:20 |
| stinebd | at least we were when i was in germany | 17:20 |
| emwe | just need to find the place where JNI_H_INCLUDE is attracting those headers. | 17:20 |
| emwe | no worries. will take care of it. | 17:21 |
| stinebd | yeah, i haven't had a chance to look into it yet | 17:21 |
| emwe | ;) | 17:21 |
| emwe | me neither. | 17:21 |
| stinebd | i'd say trying merge upstream changes in frameworks/base | 17:21 |
| emwe | btw, i jsut fixored raph auto-bl resume it seems | 17:21 |
| stinebd | in kernel? | 17:21 |
| emwe | i though of build/core actually | 17:21 |
| emwe | just pushed to autobuild | 17:21 |
| stinebd | could be that too | 17:21 |
| emwe | yes kernel | 17:21 |
| stinebd | sweet | 17:21 |
| stinebd | it wasn't difficult right? | 17:22 |
| stinebd | i think i had done it at some point but was worried it was wrong | 17:22 |
| stinebd | and then i got two rhods and said screw raph | 17:22 |
| emwe | no, but not setting autobl but setting the led states via microp (which is always executed on any led state change) | 17:22 |
| stinebd | i'll have to check out what you did and learn from it | 17:22 |
| stinebd | get that device yet? | 17:23 |
| emwe | initially i stumbled upon that thinking of some voodo microp does to panel power management in any way | 17:23 |
| emwe | no, nothing around | 17:23 |
| emwe | my gf receives clothing packages all along, but no phone packages. | 17:24 |
| stinebd | maybe she's hiding it from you | 17:24 |
| emwe | perhaps she put it into a mobile socket protection thingy | 17:24 |
| emwe | soket? | 17:24 |
| stinebd | you have to lock her in the kitchen where she belongs | 17:24 |
| stinebd | socket | 17:24 |
| emwe | hah | 17:25 |
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| hyc | emwe: your crash is a bad commit in aosp | 17:26 |
| hyc | just read about it in ezterry's thread in the g1 forum | 17:27 |
| stinebd | is it a bad commit or an incomplete merge caused by our forked repositories? | 17:27 |
| hyc | bug in upstream, fixed later | 17:29 |
| stinebd | bastards | 17:29 |
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| hyc | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13409593&postcount=2074 | 17:30 |
| stinebd | that's something else | 17:31 |
| stinebd | emwe is getting a build failure | 17:31 |
| emwe | stinebd: i was having a crash with "trunk" build | 17:31 |
| emwe | with the local build fix | 17:31 |
| stinebd | oh, ok | 17:32 |
| emwe | phone app | 17:32 |
| xdandroid | New kernel available (20110502_232323) at http://zimages.googlecode.com/files/htc-msm-linux-20110502_232323-package.tar.bz2 | 17:32 |
| emwe | will have to check that out tomorrow | 17:32 |
| hyc | yes, this post is about the phone.app crash | 17:32 |
| emwe | stinebd: regarding gb+gps, i reread alex mail and his patches are to actually help debugging what's crashing. so gps is not supposed to be working/fixed, yet. | 17:33 |
| emwe | ... and i always forget to drop gps.xdandroid.so when running a complete new image... | 17:33 |
| emwe | 23:19 <emwe> hyc: what is it when the 3g and signal strength bars stay grey? | 17:34 |
| emwe | fsck. databases corrupt again after freeze. | 17:34 |
| hyc | emwe: if you're running my most recent rils, then you have 0 signal strength | 17:35 |
| hyc | or something like -100db | 17:35 |
| emwe | i am running official rootfs | 17:35 |
| emwe | but i see 2 bars | 17:35 |
| emwe | just grey both icons. not green. | 17:35 |
| emwe | oh, that is GB btw. | 17:36 |
| hyc | oh, I have no idea. i don't run gb. | 17:36 |
| emwe | dunno how froyo behaves there | 17:36 |
| emwe | ok, thx | 17:36 |
| emwe | stinebd: given the case i locally wan't to merge with aosp, it's their "gingerbread" tree you pull from? | 17:37 |
| stinebd | emwe: re gps, i know (the merge has been done). re: merging, we merge based on the branch (so gingerbread -> aosp gingerbread, froyo -> aosp froyo) | 17:45 |
| stinebd | if your working tree is gingerbread, you can merge one of our forked repositories manually by going into the project directory and running 'git pull git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/PROJECTDIR.git gingerbread' | 17:45 |
| emwe | thanks. tomorrow then ;) | 17:46 |
| hyc | stinebd: submitted the worldphone patch to google http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=16479 | 17:48 |
| hyc | will see how many years they ignore it before they close it | 17:48 |
| stinebd | heh starred | 17:49 |
| stinebd | i give it 3 years | 17:49 |
| hyc | ;) | 17:49 |
| stinebd | and then the bot will close it automatically | 17:49 |
| hyc | ah yes | 17:49 |
| hyc | I also added my 2cents here http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7589 | 17:50 |
| stinebd | do you mind if i attach a git formatted patch on your bug? | 17:51 |
| stinebd | you'd still get credit | 17:51 |
| hyc | go ahead | 17:53 |
| hyc | you think that's more likely to get read? | 17:53 |
| stinebd | i think it's more likely to be submitted for review if there's a patch provided | 17:54 |
| stinebd | which incidentally we could probably do as well via gerrit | 17:54 |
| hyc | ahh | 17:54 |
| stinebd | https://review.source.android.com/#q,status:open,n,z | 17:55 |
| hyc | mebbe I'll do the same for the mediaprovider patch then | 17:55 |
| stinebd | that's gerrit | 17:55 |
| emwe | have fun with gerrit. i have fun with bed. | 17:55 |
| emwe | gnight. | 17:55 |
| stinebd | have fun with girlfriend and bed | 17:55 |
| emwe | already sleeping i guess ;) | 17:56 |
| stinebd | don't let that stop you | 17:56 |
| emwe | what i should already do too | 17:56 |
| stinebd | if she's not awake, she can't say no | 17:56 |
| hyc | lol | 17:56 |
| emwe | you are not in a relationship currently, no? | 17:56 |
| emwe | ;) | 17:56 |
| stinebd | i'm not allowed within 500 meters of any females | 17:56 |
| emwe | ehm. gnight ;) | 17:57 |
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| Illart | Anyone test GPS (raph100) with new kernel ?? | 18:07 |
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| madplaya1 | does the 3.5mm jack work yet ???? | 18:38 |
| arrrghhh | no, you haven't fixed it yet. | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | get on it! | 18:42 |
| madplaya1 | haha, if i knew how to fix it, i would've by now. :( | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | yea, ditto. | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | it's not really a priority, only two devices have it. | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | rhod400/500 | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | and only like 3 people have a rhod500. | 18:43 |
| madplaya1 | oh, i got a rhod400. ah, i wish it worked lol | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | i wish it worked too | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | c'est la ive | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | i also wish the prox sensor worked | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | and i wish my phone would wake properly on incoming calls | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | and i wish it had some sort of a device to pleasure me, but none of these things exist currently. | 18:45 |
| arrrghhh | i'm working on the last one, should have something soon. | 18:45 |
| madplaya1 | we wish alot of things, lol. yeah, when i got incoming call i got to wait like 2 rings to answer it(to slide) lol | 18:45 |
| arrrghhh | yup. | 18:46 |
| madplaya1 | do you know if the htc arrive have android devs working on it? | 18:47 |
| arrrghhh | never | 18:47 |
| arrrghhh | how could they | 18:47 |
| arrrghhh | there's no SD slot | 18:47 |
| madplaya1 | hahaha, i didnt know .grrrrr. | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, you thar? | 18:53 |
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| hyc | nope | 18:54 |
| hyc | just my evil twin | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | you're never thar. | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | so this tcpdump | 18:55 |
| hyc | Thor, on the other hand... | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'm assuming i need a rooted device to run it on? | 18:55 |
| hyc | have you got a tcpdump running on your phone? | 18:55 |
| hyc | yeah | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | i've never run such a thing on a phone. | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | no | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | and i'd need a native android device, on sprint, that's rooted. | 18:55 |
| hyc | hmm, I think I mayve a binary on my g1 lemme check | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | does it need to be htc? | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | oh cool | 18:55 |
| NeoMatrixJR | So... search is unavailable so I'll ask here. Sorry if this has been answered. I updated (as of about an hour or so ago) to the latest init/rootfs/kernel (on FRX06) and it seems nice, but I have no data. | 18:56 |
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| hyc | mmm, I don't think it needs to be HTC | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, you have the new RIL? | 18:56 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I think so. It's packed into the new rootfs isn't it? | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | no | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | er | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | which rootfs | 18:56 |
| arrrghhh | F22's or autobuild | 18:56 |
| NeoMatrixJR | auto | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | i think it has an old version of the new RIL | 18:57 |
| NeoMatrixJR | the 4/30 has "sync froyo ril blob from hyc's codebase." | 18:57 |
| arrrghhh | why didn't you grab 5/1? | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't grab stuff until all the merging fun is done. | 18:59 |
| NeoMatrixJR | I did grab 5/1 I was just saying that the ril sync was in the 4/30 rootfs | 18:59 |
| stinebd | hi arrrghhh | 18:59 |
| NeoMatrixJR | it was issued with a warning that it may not work w/ FRX06. I was wondering if anyone else was having trouble with it. | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | what's up sir stine | 18:59 |
| stinebd | got a new tv | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | what kind? | 18:59 |
| stinebd | viera 42" | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, you're CDMA right? | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, nice. my buddy just got a viera too. | 19:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | yep | 19:00 |
| stinebd | my old tv had some burn-in issues (it was an lcd) | 19:00 |
| NeoMatrixJR | arrrghhh: RHOD400 on sprint | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, yea... well i removed all the custom stuff | 19:00 |
| stinebd | i would play zelda on it, and the magic meter and life hearts would be in the top left for days afterwards | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | and my data still works, just with a roaming icon. | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, lol | 19:00 |
| stinebd | and there were faint stripes going down the right side | 19:01 |
| NeoMatrixJR | arrrghhh: custom stuff? | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | you play zelda much methinks? | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, just wait until it all settles. | 19:01 |
| stinebd | well it would burn in really bad like that after about 2 hours | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | there'll be a new build | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | it'll be beautiful | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | damn... | 19:01 |
| stinebd | or if you watch some channel with a bug in the bottom right for a half hour, that logo would be burned in for a couple hours after then | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | jeebus! what kinda screen was that? | 19:02 |
| stinebd | it was a $700 black friday walmart tv from several years ago | 19:02 |
| stinebd | so yeah | 19:02 |
| NeoMatrixJR | arrrghhh: stine's working on a new build? Sounds like he's playing tons of zelda! | 19:02 |
| stinebd | i actually haven't played zelda in months | 19:02 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, stfu, he's been workin hard. | 19:02 |
| hyc | lol | 19:03 |
| stinebd | i was working on a 100% ocarina of time run | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:03 |
| hyc | stinebd, there's some confusion about that rootfs update since it included the ril source code | 19:03 |
| stinebd | it did what? | 19:03 |
| hyc | emwe reverted that | 19:03 |
| NeoMatrixJR | sorry, was joking <needs sarcasm punctuation> | 19:03 |
| hyc | go look at the commit logs. you merged all of the ril source code into rootfs. | 19:03 |
| stinebd | nice | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:04 |
| hyc | emwe reverted it a few hours later | 19:04 |
| arrrghhh | the commit log for 4/30 seems to go back to the beginning too | 19:04 |
| stinebd | merge fail | 19:04 |
| hyc | yeah, it was the 4/30 commit | 19:04 |
| NeoMatrixJR | yeah, I thought that looked strange too.... | 19:04 |
| stinebd | that's what happens when you have 80 repositories with merge requests | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:05 |
| hyc | heh | 19:05 |
| stinebd | i'm surprised it actually let me do it | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | no joke | 19:05 |
| NeoMatrixJR | damn...well I need to go find my SD card adapter so I can drop back to the older rootfs for now. | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | why? | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | just usb mass storage mode | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | no need for an adapter. | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | i only used the adapter when i was testing NAND | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | and it would blow up my phone and i needed to flash back | 19:07 |
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| arrrghhh | that programmer guy is almost always in here... but i've never seen him say anything. | 19:09 |
| stinebd | me? | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | no | 19:09 |
| stinebd | what programmer guy? | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | you're not a programmer. | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | programmer8922 | 19:09 |
| stinebd | xdandroid: seen babijoee | 19:10 |
| xdandroid | stinebd: babijoee was last seen in #xdandroid 32 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <babijoee> xdandroid: later tell phh hey how do you disable LED flash after you enable it? | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | someone tell him - you don't. | 19:10 |
| phh | 32 weeks ? | 19:10 |
| phh | wow. | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | he still seems to be updating his project thread | 19:10 |
| stinebd | he has to | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:11 |
| stinebd | it's his job on xda | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | heh, someone tell reef that :P | 19:11 |
| stinebd | oh btw, where is the 2.3.4 update for n1? | 19:11 |
| stinebd | anybody know? | 19:11 |
| phh | like my job is complaining :p | 19:11 |
| stinebd | hyc: any word from google on that bug yet? | 19:13 |
| hyc | i just submitted the patch to gerrit | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | hehe | 19:13 |
| stinebd | hyc: sweet, thanks | 19:13 |
| xdandroid | New rootfs available (20110502-2225f02) at: http://is.gd/5aQEHS -- Changes at: http://is.gd/0YNJEo | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea, they've already accepted and merged it | 19:13 |
| stinebd | you're the first one to submit something to gerrit on behalf of xdandroid | 19:13 |
| toadlife | Another new rootfs? | 19:13 |
| hyc | was thinking of submitting the init shutdown patches. the way they do shutdown today is moronic. | 19:14 |
| stinebd | hah | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, hence the reason i'm telling people to wait until it all settles :D | 19:14 |
| stinebd | you can do that but frankly i doubt you'll ever get anywhere with it | 19:15 |
| toadlife | lol | 19:15 |
| stinebd | it took them several months to fix a critical rtsp streaming bug that made tons of companies lose money on market | 19:15 |
| toadlife | arrrghhh, Yeah, my data doesn't work | 19:15 |
| stinebd | something that has never adversely affected a google licensed device would probably be overlooked forever, unfortunately | 19:16 |
| stinebd | (in their minds of course) | 19:16 |
| hyc | for all the vaunted claims they make about rapid development and code introspection and other supposed java benefits... you just can't fix "stupid" | 19:16 |
| toadlife | Well, Google *is* the new Microsoft. What did you expect? | 19:17 |
| stinebd | they aren't quite that bad yet | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:17 |
| stinebd | google's shortcomings are purely intelligence-related, not evilness | 19:18 |
| toadlife | Android is the new Windows, and smartphones are the new PCs. Like Macs to PC's iphone will keep it niche | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | but they only hire GENIUSES | 19:18 |
| stinebd | that's apple | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | o right | 19:18 |
| toadlife | hyc & stinedb : Well I do know a girl who used to work here that works for Google now...and she wasn't the brightest bulb on the tree. So you guys might have a point.... | 19:23 |
| toadlife | ..not a programmer though, but stupidity might be contageous | 19:23 |
| hyc | seems that way sometimes | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | i've always been amazed at how stupid people make it to high places. | 19:25 |
| stinebd | donald trump! | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | yea, he's run several casinos into the ground, but he's still wealthy. let him do that to the country! | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | oh well. time to go blow up Unity | 19:31 |
| stinebd | unity? the ubuntu crap? | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | nah | 19:32 |
| stinebd | shame | 19:32 |
| arrrghhh | cisco voicemail server | 19:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea i didn't like unity | 19:32 |
| arrrghhh | seems not very thought out. | 19:32 |
| stinebd | welcome to linux baby | 19:32 |
| stinebd | we don't think our hobbies out | 19:33 |
| arrrghhh | hehe | 19:33 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that's true, but i would hope Ubuntu is more than a 'hobby' for most of hte developers... | 19:33 |
| stinebd | maybe for shuttleworth | 19:33 |
| toadlife | I've always been a BSD fan. | 19:34 |
| arrrghhh | he doesn't pay devs? | 19:34 |
| stinebd | well not all of them | 19:34 |
| stinebd | who knows what the criteria are | 19:34 |
| stinebd | probably some core group of "trustees" or something | 19:34 |
| toadlife | FreeBSD: Like Linux from 1999, but with good documentation | 19:34 |
| stinebd | and fewer drivers | 19:34 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:34 |
| toadlife | yeah...linux from 1999 | 19:34 |
| arrrghhh | and even more fervent fanbois | 19:35 |
| toadlife | Who are you calling a fanboy. Linux is for bitches!! | 19:35 |
| stinebd | hockey looks much better on this tv | 19:35 |
| stinebd | the puck doesn't leave streaks behind it | 19:35 |
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| hyc | stinebd: are you able to make sense of my later patches? | 19:57 |
| stinebd | ? | 19:58 |
| hyc | the merge requests for shutdown, etc. | 19:58 |
| hyc | they were all dependent on each other, not easy to compartmentalize | 19:58 |
| stinebd | there's only the two related to each other right? | 20:00 |
| stinebd | rootfs and frameworks | 20:00 |
| hyc | hmm, I guess so | 20:00 |
| hyc | oh, but that wasn't all I requested | 20:00 |
| hyc | there was also the wifi interface renaming | 20:00 |
| stinebd | the others are for other stuff | 20:00 |
| hyc | that depended on libhardware_legacy and rootfs | 20:01 |
| stinebd | yeah | 20:01 |
| stinebd | i understood how it all went together, no worries | 20:01 |
| hyc | 'k. | 20:01 |
| hyc | I spent a long time yesterday playing with vold and loop mounted filesystems. no joy. | 20:01 |
| hyc | really hope to see everyone switch to partitioned builds. | 20:02 |
| stinebd | hah! | 20:04 |
| hyc | was thinking of following neopeek's lead and porting a Recovery over | 20:06 |
| hyc | are the NAND guys using one already? | 20:07 |
| stinebd | we've got one in rootfs if i ever decide to fix it | 20:07 |
| hyc | oh? didn't notice it | 20:08 |
| hyc | is it a binary or just shell scripts? | 20:08 |
| stinebd | pretty sure i removed the binary for some reason | 20:08 |
| hyc | ok | 20:08 |
| stinebd | because i was planning on including it in system (it is in gingerbread now) | 20:08 |
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| hyc | I'll have to go look for it. | 20:10 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, NAND uses CWM | 20:23 |
| hyc | ah | 20:23 |
| arrrghhh | neopeek actually claims he was 'inspired' by ACL's CWM work on NAND. | 20:23 |
| hyc | I still like amon-ra | 20:24 |
| stinebd | i like stock | 20:24 |
| hyc | but I guess it's not a huge deal either way | 20:24 |
| arrrghhh | eh, i have no visibility of it. i didn't realize there were options, i always hear about people using cmw. | 20:24 |
| arrrghhh | cwm | 20:24 |
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| hyc | stock? stock is a PITA | 20:24 |
| hyc | it only looks for a file named 'update.zip' | 20:24 |
| hyc | the custom ones give you a file picker. | 20:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol, that's what he's implemented. | 20:24 |
| stinebd | stock lets you enforce signatures | 20:25 |
| hyc | Amon-RA does too | 20:25 |
| hyc | cwm is ... low class :P | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:25 |
| stinebd | also stock is already in our tree | 20:26 |
| hyc | but the stock one is looking for mtd partitions, right? | 20:26 |
| hyc | doesn't it need some tweaks to make it look at sdcard partitions? | 20:26 |
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| stinebd | i did something to make it work | 20:26 |
| stinebd | i forget what | 20:27 |
| stinebd | it'll work with loopback, ext2, whatever | 20:27 |
| stinebd | not squashfs though | 20:27 |
| hyc | hm ok | 20:28 |
| stinebd | it was like a one-liner in source code | 20:28 |
| hyc | well, if we can install systems and updates using it, then I'd like to eradicate loopback. | 20:28 |
| stinebd | actually i think it wasn't even in recovery | 20:28 |
| stinebd | it was in the build/ tree where it generates the edify script | 20:29 |
| hyc | ah | 20:29 |
| stinebd | build.git 8474611cf605fdcc9360702cef086fd3f28ef6aa | 20:29 |
| arrrghhh | loopback is easy | 20:29 |
| hyc | but loopback is unsafe | 20:29 |
| stinebd | how so | 20:29 |
| arrrghhh | noobs have enough problems, forcing partition builds on them seems like we're asking for pain. i'd like to provide an easier method for partition builds. | 20:30 |
| arrrghhh | yea i'd like to know how it's unsafe lol. i've been using it for a long time now, daily. | 20:30 |
| hyc | loopback mounts tend to self-corrupt, especially on powerfail | 20:30 |
| stinebd | god damnit gitorious | 20:30 |
| stinebd | i'd link you the commit diff but those assholes are down again | 20:30 |
| hyc | eh I'll find it | 20:31 |
| hyc | the commit id is good enough | 20:31 |
| stinebd | there it goes | 20:31 |
| stinebd | https://gitorious.org/xdandroid/build/commit/8474611cf605fdcc9360702cef086fd3f28ef6aa | 20:31 |
| hyc | and of course, on partitions, you get full support for Vold and USB mass storage | 20:31 |
| stinebd | that's all you need | 20:31 |
| stinebd | as long as you have /system mounted | 20:31 |
| stinebd | with those functions enabled it bails with a mount failure of course | 20:32 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, well now you do with your changes :P | 20:32 |
| arrrghhh | i agree, we should offer a more viable option to go to partitioned builds. | 20:32 |
| arrrghhh | forcing it, i don't agree with. | 20:33 |
| stinebd | i disagree | 20:33 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:33 |
| arrrghhh | ofc you do | 20:33 |
| stinebd | if someone wants to dick around with partitions they can do the work themselves | 20:33 |
| stinebd | no reason for us to support that | 20:33 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 20:33 |
| hyc | well, if the goal is to get to NAND, might as well get people used to that way of doing things. | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | i think some directions wouldn't be a big deal. cwm seems like wayyyy overkill for sd card installs, partitioned or not. | 20:34 |
| hyc | which means, installing updates using recovery. | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 20:34 |
| stinebd | which we can do on loopback | 20:34 |
| stinebd | and have done | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 20:34 |
| stinebd | FRX01-03 | 20:34 |
| hyc | ok | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | i think he means forcing that path | 20:34 |
| stinebd | and then i broke stuff | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | for updates | 20:34 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:34 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: there's no way to "force" people to use updates only | 20:35 |
| arrrghhh | ah crap. if i'm going to play tonight, i better go home. catchya guys later. | 20:35 |
| hyc | ok, ttyl | 20:35 |
| arrrghhh | sure there is, only give that option. | 20:35 |
| stinebd | bye | 20:35 |
| arrrghhh | anyhoo, peace | 20:35 |
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| hyc | recovery is useful in general | 20:36 |
| stinebd | he didn't think that through | 20:36 |
| stinebd | oh well | 20:36 |
| hyc | if it works with loopback, that's cool | 20:36 |
| hyc | I tend to do a lot of stuff in amon-ra, since it activates adb and lets you use the shell console | 20:36 |
| stinebd | stock can do that too | 20:36 |
| hyc | ok | 20:36 |
| stinebd | recovery uses a different init.rc | 20:37 |
| hyc | yeah, I saw that in the rootfs | 20:37 |
| stinebd | normally on a real device that involves not enabling adb by default (or enabling it based on the read only property) | 20:37 |
| stinebd | i had it enabled in our recovery init.rc i think | 20:37 |
| hyc | ok | 20:38 |
| stinebd | what i was last working on with recovery (on loopback) is to enable installation via recovery, then booting directly into the new system without a reboot | 20:38 |
| hyc | yeah, that would be nice | 20:38 |
| hyc | since it's the same kernel anyway, reboot seems unnecessary | 20:38 |
| stinebd | by way of sending a signal to init.android to reload the init.rc (and having rootfs change the symlink and send the signal) | 20:38 |
| hyc | makes sense | 20:39 |
| stinebd | i've got the source changes to init locally, but haven't tried the rootfs part yet | 20:39 |
| stinebd | that would be a good way to distribute system images imo (as ota files) | 20:39 |
| stinebd | although it takes a craplong time | 20:39 |
| hyc | oh, installing the image is slow huh | 20:40 |
| stinebd | at least you get verification of proper data | 20:40 |
| stinebd | quite slow :( | 20:40 |
| hyc | hmmmm. reading and writing from the same sdcard, seems like there's no good way to avoid that | 20:41 |
| hyc | More RAM caching... | 20:41 |
| stinebd | it's most likely faster for a new/fresh image than for the incrementals i was testing | 20:41 |
| stinebd | obviously it has more to do for binary patches | 20:42 |
| hyc | OTAs are just zip archives? | 20:42 |
| stinebd | right, with updater configs and scripts, and signatures | 20:42 |
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| hyc | oh well. aside from more caching there's not much that could be done | 20:44 |
| hyc | but it seems like a much nicer way to distribute small updates | 20:45 |
| hyc | instead of doing a bunch of bind mounts | 20:46 |
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| hyc | oh. but then again. i think bind-mounting the kernel modules might be good. :P | 21:01 |
| hyc | anything that saves us from ever having to copy files around. | 21:02 |
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| lolmeister | hey guys | 22:36 |
| lolmeister | i had 3 quick questions regarding android on my htc fuze | 22:37 |
| lolmeister | 1 . is it a whole lot better than windows mobile? | 22:37 |
| lolmeister | 2. when i perform the instalation does it replace windows ? | 22:37 |
| lolmeister | and 3 . if so does it unlock the phone? | 22:38 |
| lolmeister | im new to the whole android on a windows phone deal | 22:38 |
| lolmeister | and would like to see if somebody can shed some light | 22:38 |
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| rpierce99 | 1) the os is better, by a lot, our port is not complete though, so there may be features that you need that are missing or stability issues you can't work through. | 22:40 |
| rpierce99 | 2) no | 22:40 |
| rpierce99 | 3) n/a | 22:40 |
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| hyc | Quake 1 for Android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13418980&postcount=7 | 22:46 |
| hyc | works great on my build. You need the Qualcomm libgles. | 22:47 |
| hyc | the option screen is tiny though, it doesn't seem to have scaled up for the screen size | 22:48 |
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