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| ryannathans | entropy, it is an olg log on one of the other posts | 00:47 |
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| ryannathans | i will be home soon and make a fresh log | 00:49 |
| rpierce99 | arrrghhh: did you see the free app today? | 00:52 |
| arrrghhh | no | 00:52 |
| rpierce99 | figured it might interest you since you were so sad about shazam | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | i was sad about shazam | 00:53 |
| arrrghhh | soundhound eh | 00:53 |
| rpierce99 | you can even sing or hum the song and find it, supposedly | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you could with shazam as well...? | 00:54 |
| rpierce99 | no idea | 00:54 |
| arrrghhh | lol didn't you get it | 00:55 |
| rpierce99 | download != use | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i don't get the point | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | other than OoOo free apps | 00:56 |
| rpierce99 | i will use it someday! | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 00:56 |
| rpierce99 | when i need to know the name of the song that's playing | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | it is nice | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | i had it on winmo | 00:56 |
| arrrghhh | back when i gave a fuck about winmo | 00:56 |
| ryannathans | alright, i am home | 01:05 |
| ryannathans | whats up with XDA, over capacity? | 01:08 |
| ryannathans | collecting logs now. | 01:19 |
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| ryannathans | SUCCESS | 01:38 |
| ryannathans | well, failure... but success | 01:38 |
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| ryannathans | here you go, to whoever is interested: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12543170&postcount=37 | 01:47 |
| ryannathans | ^^ is WITH the new APN list from arrrghhh | 02:01 |
| ryannathans | also, what is up with FN key LED never working but caps does | 02:05 |
| Fudge | -freenode #rhobuntu | 02:15 |
| Fudge | wopos | 02:15 |
| ryannathans | lol | 02:17 |
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| ryannathans | the log i posted earlier does not use the APN list | 04:52 |
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| xtremist_ | hello | 10:51 |
| xtremist_ | can some one help me ?? | 10:51 |
| xtremist_ | i m about to complete my 200 iinternal memory :P i hv some more apps to install ?? | 10:52 |
| xtremist_ | so wht should i do ?? | 10:52 |
| xtremist_ | ?? | 10:53 |
| xtremist_ | ?? | 10:55 |
| xtremist_ | ?? | 10:55 |
| xtremist_ | no rplyy lot of ppl are online still no one rplying | 10:55 |
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| midnight | is there viruscrazy? | 15:16 |
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| hyc | somewhere I remember reading a page or a doc that described task 29 and various other tasks in the bootloader | 15:33 |
| hyc | does anyone have a link for that? can't find it now | 15:33 |
| midnight | i know task 8 and task 28 55aa | 15:34 |
| hyc | I recall that one of the tasks lets you talk to the phone using AT commands | 15:35 |
| hyc | but don't remember where that is | 15:35 |
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| midnight | hyc http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=125710&d=1225288419 | 15:37 |
| hyc | awesome, thanks | 15:38 |
| hyc | what thread is that from? | 15:38 |
| midnight | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=440170 | 15:38 |
| midnight | just searched mtty on the wiki(2nd time i used it) | 15:38 |
| hyc | cool | 15:40 |
| midnight | I'm sad.. | 15:40 |
| hyc | reading wiki pg now | 15:40 |
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| hyc | that's all hermes, do these features still exist for rhodium, I wonder | 15:44 |
| midnight | You could try,but the chances of bricking are really high | 15:44 |
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| hyc | too bad I have no windows machines here now | 15:47 |
| hyc | and these things don't seem to succeed using USB in virtualbox | 15:48 |
| midnight | i'd reccomend to run commands only when you are sure | 15:48 |
| hyc | ;) | 15:48 |
| midnight | and when you have windows + everything working well | 15:48 |
| midnight | in mtty i only use task 8,task 29 and stop | 15:49 |
| midnight | *task 29 and task 8 | 15:49 |
| hyc | i want to talk to the radio and try some things | 15:49 |
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| midnight | What do you want to say to it? | 15:49 |
| hyc | usually it crashes if android is running at the time | 15:49 |
| midnight | hi arrrghhh | 15:49 |
| hyc | send commands to ask battery status, for example | 15:49 |
| hyc | and agps-related cmds | 15:50 |
| midnight | nice for troubleshooting | 15:50 |
| hyc | wondering if that would be easier than all the current work going on for battery meter | 15:50 |
| midnight | i think if great minds like acl and others didn't use it,it's easier using their method | 15:51 |
| manekineko | heh everyone thought I was crazy saying it was weird seeing the hold button on the new dialer on a CDMA phone, since CDMA doesn't support hold | 15:51 |
| hyc | mebbe | 15:51 |
| manekineko | but now with that new RIL in CDMA mode, the hold button automatically disappeared | 15:51 |
| hyc | LOL | 15:51 |
| manekineko | hyc, out of curiosity, do you have a gap on your status bar with the latest RIL, to the left of the 3G icon but to the right of wifi or sync? | 15:52 |
| manekineko | I posted about it on XDA | 15:52 |
| hyc | I have GSM ... | 15:52 |
| manekineko | so that's no gap I'm taking it | 15:52 |
| hyc | and left of 3G is my silent-mode icon | 15:52 |
| manekineko | hmm, ok, silent mode is left of the gap on mine, so that'd be no gap | 15:53 |
| hyc | wow, what's up with xda-developers.com being so slow | 15:53 |
| manekineko | yeah, it's crawling | 15:54 |
| midnight | "We're down...working on it!" | 15:54 |
| midnight | xda's twitter | 15:54 |
| hyc | oh | 15:54 |
| hyc | just saw your pic | 15:55 |
| midnight | my pic? | 15:55 |
| manekineko | my pic I think | 15:55 |
| hyc | manekineko's | 15:55 |
| hyc | with the gap | 15:55 |
| hyc | mebbe that's a missing H icon :P | 15:56 |
| hyc | as in, mebbe the png files aren't in the build | 15:56 |
| manekineko | yeah, I was guessing it was some sort of missing icon | 15:56 |
| manekineko | though what would H be? | 15:56 |
| midnight | something in framework.. | 15:56 |
| hyc | hmm, evdo A I think | 15:56 |
| hyc | have to doublecheck | 15:57 |
| midnight | you could check if there's the png in framework-res | 15:57 |
| midnight | and you should be done | 15:57 |
| hyc | nope, CDMA doesn't use H icon | 15:58 |
| hyc | so that shouldn't be it | 15:58 |
| midnight | but there should be evdo | 15:58 |
| hyc | only HSDPA/HSPA/HSUPA use H icon | 15:58 |
| hyc | anything else just 3G | 15:58 |
| midnight | i've seen native android phones with an ev-do icon | 15:58 |
| midnight | so it should be there | 15:59 |
| manekineko | could be a 3rd party addition | 15:59 |
| manekineko | I think HTC phones have different looking icons | 15:59 |
| manekineko | HTC Sense phones that is | 15:59 |
| hyc | yeah, it's not in the default framework | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | AOSP doesn't have an ev icon midnight | 15:59 |
| manekineko | though not 100% sure | 15:59 |
| hyc | I'm looking at the code now | 15:59 |
| hyc | they could of course have patched theirs | 15:59 |
| midnight | arrrghhh,oh,as i'm a gsm folk,i don't know a lot about cdma lol | 15:59 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 15:59 |
| manekineko | arrrghhh, you try the latest RIL? yours have the same missing icon? | 16:00 |
| arrrghhh | haven't tried it no... sorry. | 16:00 |
| arrrghhh | have you only tried on gb? | 16:00 |
| hyc | manekineko: what network type does Settings show? | 16:00 |
| arrrghhh | i saw your post | 16:00 |
| manekineko | yeah, my FRX build is pretty dusty | 16:00 |
| manekineko | lemme check on the settings | 16:00 |
| manekineko | phone's rebooting since I got a phonecall (oh the life of a GRX user) and I wanted to reenable data | 16:01 |
| manekineko | haha | 16:01 |
| hyc | ? | 16:01 |
| manekineko | phone calls kill data on GRX | 16:01 |
| hyc | oh. still? | 16:01 |
| manekineko | in the beginning I could just toggle it to reenable | 16:01 |
| arrrghhh | for CDMA yea | 16:01 |
| hyc | should get a logcat of that too | 16:02 |
| arrrghhh | i don't really use GB for that reason. | 16:02 |
| manekineko | now my data.img is getting old, and that no longer works | 16:02 |
| midnight | ot:arrrghhh how's your loop port going? | 16:02 |
| manekineko | I'm seeing my network type as CDMA - EvDo rev. 0 | 16:03 |
| midnight | i have no issues,i don't have a data plan and i don't have a data.img and i'm gsm | 16:03 |
| midnight | how i'm lucky lol | 16:03 |
| arrrghhh | midnight, it's not. i can't figure it out... | 16:03 |
| manekineko | hmm that's odd, wonder why it's rev 0 and not rev A | 16:03 |
| hyc | ok. EvDO 0 is just 3G in the framework, not H | 16:03 |
| midnight | wtf is issuing(is this a verb in english?) you arrrghhh? | 16:03 |
| manekineko | wonder if that's why data is slower in Android than WinMo according to many | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | midnight, lol no that's not a word | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | wtf is the issue would make more sense. and i don't know | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | it just doesn't boot, and adb never comes up so i can't get any logs. | 16:04 |
| midnight | i thought you (english people) had "to issue" | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | i've tried different sizes, different kernels, different rootfs' | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | not really sure what else to try | 16:04 |
| hyc | manekineko: it probably will bounce back and forth depending on network conditions | 16:04 |
| arrrghhh | midnight, wtf is the issue would make more sense. | 16:05 |
| hyc | I saw that a lot in people's logs | 16:05 |
| hyc | but EVDo 0 and A both just use the 3G icon | 16:05 |
| hyc | mebbe it's a roaming icon | 16:05 |
| midnight | arrrghhh,are you still stuck where you told me some days ago? | 16:05 |
| arrrghhh | midnight, yup, no progress as i said... :( | 16:06 |
| manekineko | mebbe, though under Status it says Roaming Not roaming | 16:06 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i find it funny they include a 1x icon but no ev? eh, c'est la vie i guess. | 16:06 |
| hyc | 1x has been around longer :P | 16:06 |
| manekineko | could be related to the fact that I don't have a proper SID set | 16:06 |
| hyc | and 3G is a more recognizable buzzword | 16:06 |
| manekineko | though I didn't have one set before | 16:06 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, true. | 16:07 |
| hyc | manekineko: current ril gets SID from phone, the setting is gone | 16:07 |
| hyc | I wonder what definitions they've added for 4G | 16:08 |
| hyc | 'course, not my problem, these phones will never be there :P | 16:08 |
| manekineko | hmm in that case I still see "Roaming Indicator On" instead of Sprint on my lock screen | 16:08 |
| hyc | then you need to edit your ei.xml | 16:08 |
| hyc | eri.xml | 16:09 |
| manekineko | any anticipated benefits other than cosmetic? | 16:09 |
| hyc | nope | 16:09 |
| hyc | only cosmetic | 16:09 |
| manekineko | ok, sent you the logs showing the data connection dying after a call | 16:16 |
| manekineko | I think that problem may not be in the ril though, and may have to be resolved by stinebd, since it's showing data as reconnecting, it's just unusable | 16:17 |
| hyc | I think the problem is letting pppd try to reconnect too soon | 16:18 |
| hyc | which I intend to fix, despite [acl]'s objections | 16:18 |
| manekineko | what's his objection? | 16:18 |
| hyc | he thinks pppd should be a service under control of init | 16:19 |
| hyc | I think it should be a child process of rild, under control of ril | 16:19 |
| hyc | and he is wrong :P | 16:19 |
| manekineko | heh | 16:19 |
| hyc | if you leave it under control of init, you can't specify which one to kill, if more than one is running | 16:19 |
| manekineko | odd that this problem wouldn't affect the Froyo builds | 16:20 |
| hyc | and, you can't tell it the username and password to use if an APN needs them | 16:20 |
| hyc | hm, your logs don't cover the same time interval | 16:22 |
| hyc | but your logcat shows pppd failing to open the modem /dev/smd1 | 16:22 |
| hyc | at 16:09 | 16:22 |
| manekineko | that's odd, I pulled them with only a few minutes of separation | 16:23 |
| hyc | In fact that's all that the logcat shows. pppd failed to open at 16:08 and at 16:09 | 16:24 |
| hyc | I wonder if there's a permissions problem? | 16:24 |
| hyc | too bad we're using the cruddy /bin/pppd, it's not logging a good error message | 16:31 |
| hyc | we really need to switch to /system/bin/pppd | 16:32 |
| midnight | and switch to it | 16:32 |
| hyc | need to do some more patches to ril before it will work | 16:34 |
| hyc | half-done right now | 16:34 |
| midnight | and maybe you'd need to change init.gingerbread(or froyo).rc in rootfs | 16:35 |
| hyc | I think we just delete /bin/pppd from rootfs, don't think anything else references pppd | 16:36 |
| midnight | i think you should open init.gingerbread.rc,search for pppd and change it's path | 16:37 |
| hyc | hmmm | 16:38 |
| stinebd | ril runs pppd, not init | 16:38 |
| hyc | exactly | 16:39 |
| hyc | if pppd is in init.gingerbread, it needs to be removed | 16:39 |
| stinebd | well it would be more appropriate for init to run it | 16:39 |
| stinebd | and ril to control it via setprop calls | 16:39 |
| hyc | but impractical, since init cannot pass the needed parameters to pppd | 16:39 |
| stinebd | why not? | 16:40 |
| hyc | username and password can be changed arbitrarily, e.g. whenever someone tweaks their APN | 16:40 |
| stinebd | why not do something like dhcpcd then | 16:41 |
| stinebd | by which i mean provide dynamic arguments | 16:42 |
| hyc | explain ... | 16:42 |
| midnight | dhcpd is set in /bin or /system/bin? | 16:42 |
| odz | /system/bin/ | 16:43 |
| midnight | so rootfs isn't the cause of dhcp not working in my ginger build.. | 16:43 |
| hyc | I just see dhcpcd -ABKL | 16:43 |
| stinebd | right | 16:43 |
| hyc | what dynamic args? | 16:43 |
| stinebd | interface name | 16:43 |
| stinebd | it can't run without that ;) | 16:43 |
| stinebd | and those are provided by whatever calls it to start up | 16:44 |
| stinebd | like the wifi state machine | 16:44 |
| hyc | where's the doc for this mechanism? | 16:44 |
| hyc | I don't see it in the android init doc | 16:44 |
| stinebd | in the code | 16:44 |
| hyc | ok, so somebody tells init "start dhcpcd" | 16:45 |
| midnight | stinebd,sorry my noobness,but what could be the issue if i don't have dhcp working? | 16:45 |
| stinebd | snprintf(daemon_cmd, sizeof(daemon_cmd), "%s:-h %s %s", DAEMON_NAME, | 16:45 |
| stinebd | prop_value, interface); | 16:45 |
| stinebd | this is hard to read by just that | 16:45 |
| hyc | hmmm | 16:46 |
| stinebd | but DAEMON_NAME="dhcpcd" | 16:46 |
| stinebd | so what it fills out is "dhcpcd:-h X eth0" for instance | 16:46 |
| stinebd | it will then do property_set("ctl.start", daemon_cmd); | 16:47 |
| hyc | and this tells init the new value of everything huh | 16:47 |
| stinebd | so we could define a pppd_gprs service in init, call property_set("ctl.start", "pppd_gprs:some args here"); | 16:47 |
| hyc | I guess | 16:48 |
| stinebd | assuming rild is able to pump service commands to init | 16:48 |
| hyc | still way more inefficient than just fork/exec | 16:48 |
| hyc | you're going to add another half-second delay to all starts and stops | 16:48 |
| hyc | and yeah, I don't know if rild has the privs | 16:48 |
| hyc | I dunno bout this... people talk about what problems they have with battery life, and then they go on and use big bloated frameworks for everything | 16:49 |
| stinebd | perhaps netd is able to handle pppd for mobile data connections | 16:50 |
| hyc | when just 1 or two system calls will do the trick, efficiently | 16:50 |
| stinebd | i'll have to look into that | 16:50 |
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| hyc | this is not a good approach to coding on power-limited mobile devices... | 16:50 |
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| stinebd | well android isn't targeted at a single platform | 16:57 |
| stinebd | so abstraction is necessary to make general deployment viable | 16:57 |
| hyc | errr... ok | 16:58 |
| hyc | but we're talking about ril, which is fairly device-specific | 16:58 |
| hyc | and this isn't really a platform portability issue. Android runs on Linux. | 16:59 |
| stinebd | hardware platforms | 16:59 |
| stinebd | android runs on phones, mids, netbooks (in theory), tablets... | 16:59 |
| hyc | yes, but we're talking about a software deployment now. | 16:59 |
| arrrghhh | toasters | 16:59 |
| hyc | and the software environment is the same - Linux - on all of the hardware | 16:59 |
| hyc | pretending that it's not Linux does nobody any favors | 17:00 |
| hyc | it just makes your code bigger, slower, and more power hungry | 17:00 |
| hyc | this is infrastructure code - infrastructure should be lean, to the point of invisible | 17:01 |
| stinebd | android is where it's at because it's easier and faster (compared to other OSes) for vendors to push their hardware to the market | 17:01 |
| stinebd | it sounds like you want it to be more like windows mobile where each vendor has to write full-featured device drivers | 17:01 |
| hyc | and using Linux calls, which will be available on every Android install, does nothing to slow down time to market | 17:01 |
| hyc | No | 17:02 |
| hyc | I'm not trying to rewrite the entire radio subsystem | 17:02 |
| stinebd | resulting in vendors having to maintain general drivers so they can push devices faster, and drivers being multiple tens of megabytes in size | 17:02 |
| hyc | I'm working within the bounds of their defined RIL interface | 17:02 |
| stinebd | and you just said you didn't want to, no? | 17:02 |
| hyc | but you're trying to make pppd play nicely as an android service, when it has no business being exposed as an android service | 17:03 |
| stinebd | i'm not trying to, i'm suggesting that it's one way to do things | 17:03 |
| hyc | yes, but it is not the right way | 17:03 |
| hyc | the Android platform defines things the user sees and interacts with | 17:03 |
| hyc | pppd is not one of them | 17:03 |
| stinebd | and i'd also like to point out that the ril running pppd isn't the "right way" | 17:04 |
| stinebd | there's a reason no android device on the market does so | 17:04 |
| hyc | sure, but the right way is rmnet | 17:04 |
| stinebd | hyc: dhcpcd isn't one of the things users see and interact with either | 17:04 |
| stinebd | nor is hciattach | 17:04 |
| hyc | yes, and starting/stopping wifi and bluetooth is slow too | 17:05 |
| hyc | unnecessarily, IMO. | 17:05 |
| stinebd | have you used a native device? | 17:05 |
| hyc | of course. I've owned a G1 since October 1 2008 | 17:05 |
| hyc | been hacking on it long before I got my TP2 | 17:05 |
| stinebd | i don't see any such issues with starting wifi or bluetooth on actual android hardware | 17:06 |
| hyc | maybe on newer models with faster CPUs | 17:06 |
| hyc | but XDandroid is code for legacy hardware | 17:06 |
| stinebd | xdandroid is code for crippled hardware | 17:07 |
| hyc | why are you even bothering to compare it to modern native phones, what those big vendors do is irrelevant | 17:07 |
| stinebd | i wasn't comparing our phones to modern phones at all | 17:07 |
| stinebd | i was pointing out that android runs fine on real hardware | 17:08 |
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| stinebd | there's nothing we can do about phones from 1993 being slow | 17:08 |
| hyc | sure there is. | 17:08 |
| stinebd | aside from not using them | 17:08 |
| hyc | you might as well say "these phones shipped with Windows, there's nothing we can do to improve them" | 17:08 |
| hyc | seems to me the entire reason xdandroid project exists is to reject that attitude | 17:09 |
| hyc | but mebbe I'm wrong... | 17:09 |
| stinebd | so you're proposing we rewrite android in arm asm with no abstraction features and designed from the ground up for 5 htc msm7k winmo devices? | 17:09 |
| hyc | Nope | 17:09 |
| hyc | I said nothing of the sort | 17:09 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, do it | 17:09 |
| hyc | LOL | 17:10 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: file a bug | 17:10 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahaha | 17:10 |
| hyc | but you're the one who said android runs on phones, netbooks, tablets, mids, etc. | 17:10 |
| hyc | why do we care what else android runs on? | 17:10 |
| arrrghhh | "android is slow on our old phones. please rewrite android in assembly, kthxbai" | 17:10 |
| stinebd | hyc: you were complaining about big bloated frameworks that do more than what we specifically need them to. the multi(hardware)platform nature is why it's like that. | 17:11 |
| hyc | fair enough | 17:11 |
| hyc | but I am not writing a multi-platform RIL library | 17:11 |
| hyc | i am fixing bugs in a RIL written for 5 MSM phones | 17:11 |
| stinebd | 5 is multi! | 17:12 |
| * stinebd runs | 17:12 | |
| hyc | they are 5 skins on the same guts, near as I can tell | 17:12 |
| stinebd | one of them has an upside-down head though | 17:12 |
| hyc | heh | 17:12 |
| hyc | regardless, this code will never be picked up and used for a new phone | 17:13 |
| hyc | it is all dead-end development | 17:13 |
| stinebd | that's what makes it fun | 17:13 |
| stinebd | instead of work | 17:13 |
| hyc | yes, but that's also what makes the multiplatform portability irrelevant | 17:13 |
| hyc | we know exactly the target. no more and no less. | 17:13 |
| stinebd | well upstream forces it on us. it usually doesn't affect the ril in your case, but we still see the issues | 17:15 |
| stinebd | like TI bluetooth crashing gingerbread | 17:15 |
| stinebd | and gps suddenly not working anymore | 17:15 |
| hyc | heh, ok | 17:15 |
| stinebd | sometimes we have to move laterally when google does | 17:15 |
| hyc | which reminds me, we could try controlling gps thru the ril | 17:15 |
| hyc | since there are AT commands to talk to it | 17:15 |
| hyc | and there is the RIL OEM_HOOK_RAW ril request for proprietary commajnds | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | you are a masochist aren't you hyc | 17:16 |
| hyc | lol | 17:16 |
| stinebd | i think the frontend wouldn't allow the user to control that though | 17:16 |
| hyc | stinebd: what do you mean? | 17:16 |
| stinebd | that gps button on the power control widget for instance | 17:17 |
| hyc | ok. eventually it has to feed into our libgps-something-or-other | 17:17 |
| hyc | our libgps could connect to the rild socket | 17:17 |
| * NeoMatrixJR prepares to run and hide... | 17:17 | |
| stinebd | does the ril get replies for coordinates and other gps info? | 17:18 |
| NeoMatrixJR | so stinebd, have you seen this "blur" stuff in Gingerbread | 17:18 |
| * NeoMatrixJR runs | 17:18 | |
| hyc | I haven't tried those commands yet | 17:18 |
| stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: ENOCONTEXT | 17:18 |
| hyc | that's why I was asking about the task8 whatever commands, to talk to the radio from bootloader | 17:18 |
| stinebd | i hope you weren't asking me | 17:19 |
| stinebd | sometimes i can't even remember how to get to the bootloader | 17:19 |
| hyc | no, found the docs, midnight pointed me at em | 17:19 |
| hyc | anyway, it was just an idea | 17:19 |
| stinebd | it would be an interesting solution at least | 17:20 |
| hyc | Since HTC so thoughtfully put commands for all their radio functions in one place, it seemed worth exploring | 17:20 |
| stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: explain yourself | 17:21 |
| stinebd | Entropy512: have you got gsm? | 17:21 |
| NeoMatrixJR | crap...lost url | 17:22 |
| NeoMatrixJR | stinebd: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12525415#post12525415 | 17:22 |
| stinebd | xda-devs is down | 17:22 |
| NeoMatrixJR | back online?...working for me | 17:22 |
| NeoMatrixJR | damn...had to refresh | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | it's up | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | it's down | 17:22 |
| arrrghhh | it's all over | 17:22 |
| stinebd | tomorrow's release will be an old donut system image i found | 17:23 |
| stinebd | fyi | 17:23 |
| arrrghhh | lol ok tiad | 17:23 |
| stinebd | i'm gonna call it an icecream preview | 17:23 |
| stinebd | for the lulz | 17:23 |
| hyc | lol | 17:23 |
| NeoMatrixJR | stinebd: n/m, not a gingerbread thing. a Motorola thing.... | 17:24 |
| stinebd | duhhh blur? | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR, did you think blur wasn't a moto thing? lol | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | like saying sense isn't an HTC thing | 17:24 |
| arrrghhh | or touchwiz isn't a sammy thing... | 17:24 |
| stinebd | or winpho7 isn't a winpho thing | 17:24 |
| stinebd | considering it's IN THE NAME | 17:25 |
| arrrghhh | pho...mmmmm | 17:25 |
| NeoMatrixJR | hey, I JUST saw it today on ONE article which I can't re-read 'cause XDA's down AGAIN! :S | 17:25 |
| stinebd | probably a tiad DDoS | 17:25 |
| stinebd | oh arrrghhh | 17:25 |
| stinebd | i had this crazy dream last night | 17:25 |
| stinebd | where tiad got your wiki password somehow and defaced it | 17:26 |
| stinebd | it was hilarious | 17:26 |
| arrrghhh | zomg | 17:26 |
| arrrghhh | good thing that didn't actually happen lol | 17:26 |
| emwe | stinebd alive! | 17:26 |
| arrrghhh | arise chicken... arise | 17:26 |
| emwe | ;) | 17:27 |
| stinebd | hi emwe | 17:27 |
| * NeoMatrixJR Stinebd's actual Apr1 joke will be to give tiad8 arrrghhh's wiki password | 17:27 | |
| stinebd | i saw you on the wiki too | 17:27 |
| arrrghhh | zomg no | 17:27 |
| emwe | stinebd: just user reg. nothing more. though i had regged a long time ago | 17:27 |
| emwe | s/though/thought | 17:27 |
| stinebd | oh, i thought that was part of the dream too | 17:27 |
| stinebd | i have really weird dreams | 17:28 |
| emwe | anyway gotta go. stinebd, if you feel motivated, gimme a reply to my sensor question on the ml | 17:28 |
| stinebd | oh i haven't checked my email yet, sorry | 17:28 |
| emwe | and btw, looks JBs up for a unified kernel-side sensors interface | 17:28 |
| stinebd | unified? | 17:28 |
| emwe | well, just one place it seems in htc-hw | 17:29 |
| emwe | returning device specific hook values | 17:29 |
| emwe | so, gtg. off for another night of battery drain testing. | 17:29 |
| emwe | stinebd: np with the mail. happy you showed up ;) | 17:30 |
| emwe | gnight | 17:30 |
| stinebd | night | 17:30 |
| TheDeadCPU | nn | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | gn emwe | 17:31 |
| fishhead2567 | question: does cda curently support bluetooth for the tilt2? | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | no | 17:31 |
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| fishhead2567 | rats.. | 17:37 |
| fishhead2567 | trying to share a 3g connection to a xoom tablet, have xda on my tilt and i thought meebe thatd work | 17:38 |
| Nautis | wifirouter | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | you can tether wirelessly | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | just isn't so stable in Android | 17:41 |
| fishhead2567 | not possible | 17:42 |
| fishhead2567 | android tablets do not see adhoc netowrks | 17:42 |
| fishhead2567 | so wifirouter doesn't work | 17:42 |
| fishhead2567 | is there a channel fore general xda-development, ill check it out for a possible way to hack the BT stack | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | fishhead2567, it is possible | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | use the built-in wifi tethering | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | it isn't ad-hoc | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | it creates an actual AP | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | plus, android can see ad-hoc - look for an app called wifi-ace | 17:45 |
| arrrghhh | IIRC that will allow you (or help you) connect to ad-hoc networks. | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | hidden as well | 17:46 |
| hyc | yeah - it's just linux under the skin, you can connect to anything if you invoke wpa_supplicant yourself | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | don't give me this not possible jibba jabba :P | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | ah ha! | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | wifi-ace! | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | hehe | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | well i mean of course it can be done, but thats what i needed | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | plus the build-in wifi tethering app | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't use ad-hoc | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | it throws up an actual AP | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | nice! | 17:48 |
| fishhead2567 | will XDA do that tho | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | XDA? | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | XDAndroid? yes. | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | i wouldn't mention it if it didn't. | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | it's just flaky | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | IIRC you can't tear down the connection and start it back up without rebooting. | 17:49 |
| fishhead2567 | ah okay | 17:50 |
| fishhead2567 | thanks a ton! | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | np | 17:51 |
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| stinebd | damnit | 18:00 |
| stinebd | just shot my microsd card somewhere across the room | 18:00 |
| stinebd | the rhod slot spring is much more powerful than raph's | 18:00 |
| TheDeadCPU | Damnit, 1st april. | 18:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:02 |
| arrrghhh | zomg tomorrow is april fool's day... | 18:03 |
| hyc | lol | 18:03 |
| hyc | I think it's time to announce the XDCP/M project | 18:03 |
| hyc | whooosh | 18:04 |
| Nautis | I lost a microsd that way | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | indeed hyc that went flying over. what's that acronym even stand for? | 18:04 |
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| hyc | XD - CP/M | 18:05 |
| hyc | as opposed to XD - Android | 18:05 |
| hyc | CP/M came immediately before DOS :P | 18:05 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 18:06 |
| arrrghhh | jeez man | 18:06 |
| arrrghhh | talk about obsecure reference :P | 18:06 |
| Nautis | whats a DOS? :D | 18:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:08 |
| hyc | gaaahhh | 18:09 |
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| ryannathans | hey all :P | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | you scared everyone away ryannathans | 19:59 |
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| ryannathans | so it seems | 19:59 |
| ryannathans | oh wow | 19:59 |
| ryannathans | -.- | 19:59 |
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| arrrghhh | ryannathans, why do you keep including unnecessary commands in your startup.txt recommendations? :P | 20:47 |
| hyc | luddite :P | 20:49 |
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| mario_ | I need help on wistilt2 kernel??? | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | it's for testing | 21:50 |
| arrrghhh | so keep that in mind | 21:51 |
| arrrghhh | now what's your problem | 21:51 |
| mario_ | when I click on haret it shows the linux logo but nothing else shows up like the other kernels | 21:51 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 21:52 |
| arrrghhh | what phone? | 21:52 |
| arrrghhh | what build? | 21:52 |
| mario_ | frx06 rhod 400 | 21:52 |
| arrrghhh | you have the same phone | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | with the same build | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | as me... | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | how long did you wait? | 21:53 |
| mario_ | lol, beetter for me. like 10 mins. | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | and it didn't move? | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | how many times did it do this? | 21:54 |
| mario_ | nope like 4, i can try agian if u want | 21:54 |
| arrrghhh | 4x it did this | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | bad sd? i don't know | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | have you ever used one of his test kernels? | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | are you overclocking? | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | anything changed from the FRX06 bundle? | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | other than kernel | 21:56 |
| mario_ | no, i haven't. yes, i am overclocking, and no i havent changed anything besides kernel | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | remove OC | 21:56 |
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| mario_ | waiit its going through now im getting the scripts or whatever you call it lol. i clicked haret before removing OC | 21:57 |
| mario_ | Boot animation now. | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | what did you change? | 21:58 |
| mario_ | nothing lol. | 21:58 |
| mario_ | weirrd | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 21:59 |
| mario_ | its working fine now, no lag so farr,,, | 21:59 |
| hyc | I've had those failed boots before too. Just the penguin, nothing else. | 22:05 |
| hyc | hit reset and try again... | 22:05 |
| arrrghhh | i've had some failed boots with autobuild kernels too | 22:05 |
| arrrghhh | get like 5-10 lines | 22:05 |
| arrrghhh | and death | 22:05 |
| arrrghhh | with wistilt2's kernel... there's no output lol | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | damn i thought it was just me or my SD | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | they're very rare for me. | 22:06 |
| mario_ | lol, this kernel is good, i didnt think it was my sdcard though. | 22:06 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know what causes the failed boot.s | 22:07 |
| arrrghhh | makes me feel better that i'm not alone. | 22:07 |
| mario_ | theres a bug then??? same here | 22:07 |
| arrrghhh | yea but who knows where it's daying | 22:08 |
| arrrghhh | dying* | 22:08 |
| arrrghhh | i could never figure it out | 22:08 |
| mario_ | just got a SoD... LED is blinking green. | 22:09 |
| mario_ | .... rebooted on its own :/ | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | that's not an SoD | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | and reboots happen | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if the new batt code is still in this kernel | 22:11 |
| mario_ | oh, my bad. just randomley? | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | depends | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | there's a ton of reasons for reboots | 22:12 |
| mario_ | lol, cuz after i sent a text message it rebooted | 22:13 |
| arrrghhh | using the built in app? | 22:13 |
| arrrghhh | you're not playing with hyc's RIL are you? | 22:13 |
| mario_ | yes and no i am not. | 22:14 |
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| arrrghhh | eh | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno. could be the kernel. | 22:15 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't had any reboots... | 22:16 |
| Tandy|7540 | arrrghhh, everytime I come in here you're chatting. | 22:17 |
| Tandy|7540 | I don't know if that's just dedication, or insanity. | 22:17 |
| arrrghhh | i choose the latter | 22:18 |
| Tandy|7540 | haha | 22:18 |
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| Tandy|7540 | oshit, is T Mobile CDMA? Because their $15/month unlimited texting + $0.10/minute voice is almost EXACTLY what I'm looking for... | 22:18 |
| R^7Z | huh? | 22:19 |
| R^7Z | spam??? | 22:19 |
| Tandy|7540 | Hallo .o/ | 22:19 |
| mario_ | how come gingerbread keyboard is better than the froyo one??? (more responsive accurate) cuz i hate the onscreen keboard on froyo | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | Tandy|7540, quit spamming | 22:19 |
| Tandy|7540 | R^7Z, no... not spam... I'm just in the process of getting a plan. Sprint's expensive as all hell. | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | and tmo is gsm you fool | 22:19 |
| Tandy|7540 | damn D: | 22:20 |
| R^7Z | Tandy|7540: nevermind... just seemed like that sort of thing | 22:20 |
| Tandy|7540 | lol | 22:20 |
| * Tandy|7540 tatoos "this space for rent" on his ass | 22:20 | |
| arrrghhh | mario_, why do you have a phone with a physical keyboard... | 22:20 |
| R^7Z | arrrghhh: I come to get enlightened... | 22:20 |
| * Tandy|7540 forces a CCFL down R^7Z's throat | 22:21 | |
| Tandy|7540 | consider yourself enlightened. :P | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | Tandy|7540, suck it up and get shitty service like cricket | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | or vz | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | those are basically your choices with cdma | 22:21 |
| R^7Z | arrrghhh: how would one use adb in hopes to find out if the supposed kernel actually works or is this old news now? | 22:21 |
| Tandy|7540 | ok | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | other than some small regionals | 22:21 |
| mario_ | lol... | 22:21 |
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| arrrghhh | R^7Z, dowhatnow? | 22:21 |
| R^7Z | I want to help troubleshoot this crap about the kernels | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | what where the phone panel sleeps? | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | i think i already know what commit effects it | 22:22 |
| R^7Z | so old news? | 22:23 |
| R^7Z | or do you want me to pull a log using a specific kernel? | 22:23 |
| R^7Z | xda is down so I come here... :p | 22:23 |
| R^7Z | lolz | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | i believe it's the kernel with panel collapse | 22:24 |
| R^7Z | K... | 22:24 |
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| R^7Z | htc-msm-linux @ 20110222_203532 | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | what about it | 22:28 |
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| R^7Z | first mention of any raph/diam fixes | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | that's not the one i'm thinking is the beginning of the issues | 22:28 |
| R^7Z | k... I duno then... | 22:29 |
| R^7Z | :p | 22:29 |
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| R^7Z | wait, panel collapse for rhod? | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | 2.14 | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:32 |
| R^7Z | htc-msm-linux @ 20110214_200559 | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i'm thinking was the commit that started making raph unhappy | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:32 |
| R^7Z | interesting... so the one previous "should" and "work"? | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | try it | 22:33 |
| R^7Z | so I should try > htc-msm-linux @ 20110210_213850 < that one? | 22:34 |
| R^7Z | the one previous didnt produce anything | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | the previous one was a messup | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | mulligan | 22:36 |
| R^7Z | k... going to start from scratch with stock frx06, nothing more, nothing less | 22:39 |
| R^7Z | with the exception of that kernel | 22:39 |
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| Recnamoruen | hello xdandroid | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | Recnamoruen, hi. do you have a question? | 22:52 |
| Recnamoruen | ACtually yes | 22:53 |
| Recnamoruen | the latest builds of xdandroid have been preventing my rhod500 from sleeping | 22:53 |
| Recnamoruen | the status light will blink to green real fast and the ngo back to red | 22:53 |
| Recnamoruen | even with a brand new build | 22:53 |
| arrrghhh | you on the newest kernel from autobuild? | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | if so that's the reason | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | use 1276, i still bundle it for a reason ;) | 22:54 |
| Recnamoruen | yes i am | 22:54 |
| Recnamoruen | oh | 22:54 |
| Recnamoruen | and im downloading ur bundle now :P | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | has it in thar ;) | 22:55 |
| Recnamoruen | oh before i asked my question | 22:55 |
| Recnamoruen | If i may ask is there a reason that hte non sleep isn't listed in the atobuild comments or remarks? | 22:56 |
| Recnamoruen | Also who do i bribe to get the 3.5mm jack working so i can stop using windows mobile | 22:57 |
| rpierce99 | bribe ebay to send you a dongle for 3.00 | 22:57 |
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| arrrghhh | well the non-sleep wasn't intentional | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | it's well-known if you have a problem with the newest bleeding-edge kernel, go back to an older on | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | one* | 22:59 |
| Recnamoruen | also does the camera actually work now? | 23:03 |
| mario_ | yes , it does | 23:05 |
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| R^7Z | yeah, so 1253... | 23:22 |
| R^7Z | I forget what I'm supposed to be looking for exactly... :p | 23:23 |
| R^7Z | seems autobl is working too | 23:23 |
| R^7Z | AND by working I mean that if i cover the sensor, the screen reacts | 23:31 |
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| R^7Z | also, wifi works | 23:37 |
| R^7Z | :D | 23:37 |
| arrrghhh | R^7Z, seriously? | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | you're of no use. | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | you were supposed to be looking for that death sleep | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | where it doesn't die completely | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | but panel doesn't come back up | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | right? | 23:45 |
| R^7Z | oh... | 23:46 |
| R^7Z | right | 23:46 |
| R^7Z | :p | 23:46 |
| R^7Z | so yeah, I have the screen to time out around 15 seconds | 23:48 |
| R^7Z | and it seems I am able to wake without any issues | 23:48 |
| R^7Z | how else am I supposed to reproduce this? I'm so used to finding ways around issues | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | YOU need to tell ME | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have the device, remember? | 23:50 |
| R^7Z | also the power button seems to respond for some odd reason | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | how do you reproduce it on newer kernels? | 23:50 |
| * R^7Z sighs | 23:50 | |
| R^7Z | i don't have to | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | should the power button not respond? | 23:50 |
| * arrrghhh is confused | 23:50 | |
| R^7Z | meh... | 23:50 |
| R^7Z | from what I could remember when I wasnt using my work around | 23:50 |
| R^7Z | it would respond slowly and sometimes it wouldn't turn on | 23:51 |
| R^7Z | the screen would act as if it was turning on | 23:51 |
| R^7Z | the blank screen situation? | 23:51 |
| R^7Z | and yeah, i don't notice this at all with the stock setting | 23:52 |
| R^7Z | lemme try making a call | 23:52 |
| R^7Z | yeah, this is quite baffleing | 23:53 |
| R^7Z | I think I ought to let those who can reproduce this issue report | 23:54 |
| R^7Z | I was able to make a call and I could let the screen time out and I could turn my screen on | 23:54 |
| R^7Z | with very little to no hesitation | 23:54 |
| R^7Z | should I try with the latest kernel and stock config? | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | it's not collapsing | 23:55 |
| R^7Z | is this good or bad??? | 23:55 |
| R^7Z | or should I just go further back? | 23:56 |
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| arrrghhh | that sounds good | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | but you're telling me now you couldn't reproduce it on 1276? | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | you're confusing man. | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | if you can't reproduce the error yourself | 23:57 |
| R^7Z | lemme rephrase | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | how can you test to see if going back fixes it | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:58 |
| R^7Z | I've been using my work around as a means to ignore the issue | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | well remove all your poop | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | what do you do, set a screen timeout high and download some app? | 23:59 |
| R^7Z | obviously... :p | 23:59 |
| arrrghhh | that prevents screen from a-sleepin? | 23:59 |
| R^7Z | pretty much | 23:59 |
| R^7Z | I just press the power button | 23:59 |
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