Thursday, 2011-03-03

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MassestStashjonpry, pretty sure i remember somehting of tethering00:08
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arrrghhhstinebd: you there?00:15
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arrrghhhstinebd: i can't seem to remember the user i use to upload to xdandroid.com.  if you could give me the answer, that would be great.  making a new frx05 bundle, then hopefully a gb bundle when you're done hacking at it :D00:23
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tr4nsltrhi06:37
tr4nsltri need some help06:38
tr4nsltri want to install android on my dopod 838 pro aka HTC hermes06:38
tr4nsltranybony know where can i find a good resources06:38
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hycanyone having luck playing arbitrary videos on rhodium?07:23
hycnow that the camcorder works, those videos play ok07:24
hycbut other videos I've encoded with ffmpeg have been just a black screen so far07:24
hyceven some at 480x272 that play back fine on G107:24
hycnot sure what I'm missing. they also play back fine if I boot Windows07:24
hycwhere did the libomx codecs in this build come from, were they meant for a device with a smaller screen?07:26
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calon!list07:32
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arrrghhhstinebd: ping10:14
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topaz1in xdandroid on my topaz i have noticed that when wifi works the wlan.ko driver is loaded, but then the error issue occurs i see the wlan.ko module is not loaded13:58
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topaz1can any one tell me why thts happening or is any one aware of this wlan.ko issue and how can i get it to load again as i tried the modprobe command>?14:02
topaz1any one care to help pls14:11
Erikson_worked the modprobe command?14:11
topaz1no14:12
Erikson_damn ok14:12
topaz1the wlan module would not load14:12
topaz1u can check in terminal14:12
Erikson_thx all in all its interesting14:13
Erikson_can you write it to emwe14:13
Erikson_he is the topaz developer14:13
Erikson_perhaps it helps14:13
topaz1is he here?14:13
Erikson_i dont think so14:14
topaz1how do i contact him14:14
topaz1u got a topaz?14:14
Erikson_yes14:14
topaz1oke14:15
topaz1do u have the wifi issue14:15
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Erikson_yes but only the second time you enable it14:16
Erikson_directly after boot it works14:16
Erikson_it is a known problem14:16
topaz1same here14:16
topaz1sad14:16
topaz1so how can i get to emwe14:16
Erikson_he is on every day but dont know when14:17
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Erikson_or you write to arrrghhh14:17
Erikson_he told emwe if it was important14:17
topaz1oh noooo14:17
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topaz1i have alread buggged him so much about this issueee14:18
Erikson_^^ then he know it and it isnt important14:18
topaz1he has a data plan so he doesnt care about wifi14:20
topaz1arrrgh i mean14:20
topaz1:)14:21
Erikson_:)14:24
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topaz1u got any idea as to how we can fix it if possble?14:25
cmike01Please point guidelines how to debug XDAndroid linux kernel on HTC Topaz: tools? etc.?14:26
topaz1u need the ADB tool from google14:27
cmike01OK, <topazl>, I have ADB. What shall I do? How To get any logs? Debugger?14:29
topaz1boot into andriod14:29
topaz1xandriod14:29
topaz1etc14:29
topaz1and get in connected to your fone to the pc14:30
topaz1and check the USB debugging in xandriod14:30
topaz1settings>applications>development14:30
topaz1their is this option14:30
topaz1C:\Program Files (x86)\Android\android-sdk-windows\platform-tools14:31
topaz1here is the location to the tool14:32
topaz1adb specifically14:32
topaz1oh u got adb14:32
topaz1open cmd with admin prevligies14:32
topaz1and copy paste to jump directly to the folder14:33
topaz1once u are in the folder issue this command to get if yur device is seen by the adb tool14:35
topaz1adb devices14:35
topaz1* daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 *14:35
topaz1* daemon started successfully *14:35
topaz1List of devices attached14:35
topaz1000000000000    device14:35
topaz1u will get this command output14:36
topaz1similary u can get the logcat14:36
topaz1bugreport etc14:36
topaz1but use the adb with shell command to push file into yur device14:36
topaz1hope it helps14:37
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topaz1pls advise?14:37
cmike01Great thanks, <topaz>.14:37
topaz1welcome14:37
topaz1are u a developer14:37
topaz1or something14:38
topaz1similar14:38
cmike01Yes, but never worked for Linux kernel Dev neither for embedded systems.14:38
topaz1but u can code right14:38
cmike01I hope :)14:39
cmike01I have started play with Android on my HTC Topaz. It's amazing, but what is killing me14:40
topaz1oh another topaz user14:41
topaz1same here14:41
cmike01It quite often hamgs going into whatever internal loop eating the batter14:41
topaz1meaning?14:41
cmike01Stop responding on any button and heating...14:42
cmike01And I thought what if I try to figure out what is going on inside  there14:42
topaz1which version of xandriod are u using?14:44
cmike01FRX0414:44
topaz1u know fx05 is out14:46
topaz1and which kernel are u using also14:46
topaz1pls check my post , on how to install xandriod ----14:46
topaz1http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11811320&postcount=596914:47
cmike01Yes I heard about that, and even tried it. It was less stable than FRX04, but waht is true - I did not update zImage to lates kernel, and this may explain it.14:48
topaz1for my detailed instructions -14:48
topaz1http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10960604&postcount=581214:48
topaz1and do u have the wifi error issue?14:49
cmike01How funny!!! Right before couple of seconds I have read your instructions!!!14:49
topaz1oke14:50
topaz1i hope it helped u14:50
cmike01Wifi is no so good as would like. Yesturday it worked just fine, but today it even does not see Network?!14:50
topaz1indeed14:51
topaz1i need some one with whom we can narrow down the issue14:51
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cmike01And what about you. Are you a developer?14:52
topaz1nope advance user14:52
topaz1:-D14:52
topaz1and help users new and old, in anyways possible without being rude to them because i cannot stand their noob questions14:53
topaz1as i know something and others dont14:53
arrrghhhthere's already a bug on the wifi issue guys.14:54
arrrghhhgyi.14:54
arrrghhhfyi*14:54
topaz1lol14:54
topaz1he is new14:54
topaz1arrrgh14:54
cmike01I get what you mean14:54
arrrghhhtopaz1: i was talking to you14:54
arrrghhh:P14:54
topaz1u know me right, the wifi guy :)14:54
arrrghhhimran?14:55
topaz1yup14:55
topaz1now i have a registered nick14:55
arrrghhhlol yea.14:55
arrrghhhi know you.14:55
arrrghhhall too well.14:55
arrrghhhthere's a bug filed on it14:55
topaz1with a very nice number attached to it 69 lol14:55
arrrghhhstupid ti wlan14:55
topaz1agreed14:55
arrrghhhbcm works just fine.  i can flip wifi on/off all day.14:55
topaz1why cant topaz use bcm14:56
arrrghhhhardware14:56
topaz1okie14:56
arrrghhhchipset14:56
arrrghhhchipset on the rhod is bcm14:56
topaz1i thought so14:56
arrrghhhon basically every other device, ti.14:56
arrrghhh(every other device supported by XDAndroid)14:56
topaz1texas instruments14:56
arrrghhhyes14:56
arrrghhhstinebd: *poke*14:57
topaz1why14:57
topaz1him14:57
topaz1i have noticed that when the wifi error happens the wlan.ko module ins't loaded14:58
arrrghhhi saw that14:58
arrrghhhyou can't modprobe it?14:59
arrrghhheven with su?14:59
topaz1no14:59
topaz1nope doesnt get loaded14:59
arrrghhhwhat does it say14:59
topaz1nothing14:59
topaz1just drops back to promt14:59
topaz1like a good boy14:59
arrrghhhuhm15:00
arrrghhhk15:00
topaz1wud logcat catch it?15:01
arrrghhhprobably15:01
topaz1http://www.xda-developers.com/android/romtools-saves-us-from-the-command-line-blues/15:02
topaz1for cmike15:02
topaz1will see , what about bugreport?15:04
cmike01Thanks...15:06
topaz1is their any other way to get the module inserted15:06
topaz1http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Main_Page   -------> for everything related to xdandriod15:07
arrrghhhget a real phone?15:07
arrrghhh:P15:07
topaz1like the one u got15:07
arrrghhhjk.  it is a bug, but extremely low on the totem pole of 'things to fix'15:08
topaz1now most devs are working on .35 kernel and ginerbread15:09
arrrghhheh depends15:09
arrrghhhwistilt2 is still working on PM, FB and RIL of late.15:09
arrrghhhjb and emwe are working on 3515:09
arrrghhhstine is working on gb.15:09
topaz1god bless them for their hardwork15:10
topaz1http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6915:10
xdandroidBug 69: normal, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, wifi error: unable to scan15:10
arrrghhhwhat about it15:10
topaz1its for cmike15:10
arrrghhhoh15:10
topaz1he needs to know about it15:10
arrrghhhwho uses wifi?15:10
arrrghhhcmike01: no data cxn?15:10
topaz1all those who do please raise yur hands up15:10
cmike01I would not say I use it it, but play with it. We have one in the office...15:11
arrrghhh3g data ftw.  wifi uses less power, but it's annoying.15:11
topaz1O:-)15:12
cmike01Just in case enabled it right now, and gor responce: Unable to connect...15:13
arrrghhhshould work fine on first boot.15:14
topaz1yes it does15:14
arrrghhhjust never disable it, you'll be fine lol15:14
topaz1its on for me now15:14
topaz1it drains power like a3.15:15
topaz1leak615:15
topaz1leaky tapo15:15
cmike01Ok, guys. I'm first time here, and hope not last. Have to go... See you...15:15
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topaz1add me if u can15:16
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topaz1insmod /system/lib/modules/wlan.ko15:16
topaz1will try this15:16
topaz1.15:16
topaz1brb15:17
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zoosterhi16:02
zoosterguys how do you map home key in FRX05 since there is no spare part app?16:04
MassStashget my rootfs16:05
MassStashor f2216:05
MassStashwhich ever you like better16:05
zoosterwhat?16:05
zoosteri use the one of 2416:05
MassStashwhich phone do you have?16:05
zoostertopaz16:05
MassStashhmmm not sure16:05
MassStashcan you use this16:06
MassStashhttp://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/139678-home-endbutton-power-only-wake-endcall-backmute-update-02-10-2011-new-ril-commit.html16:06
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zoosterhmm i don0't think it0s a good solution...16:10
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zoosterand do you know how to solve ipv6 missing in kernel?16:20
MassStashyou run it manually of get better kernerl16:22
MassStashgoogle run ipv6 manually16:22
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zoosterisn't it possible to add it to a kernel?16:44
MassStashask google bro16:49
MassStashbut obviously....16:49
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arrrghhhstinebd: ?20:19
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sambsknI'm installing xdandroid and I'm thinking that it has been taking too long to boot for the first time. I've tried it once before, and even left my phone on all night, only to find in the morning that It hadn't finished. How long should the first boot take?21:22
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sambsknUm? Anybody there?21:35
rpierce99sambskn: most likely you are missing a ts-calibration file21:35
rpierce99it should only take ~10 mintues21:35
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sambsknokay thanks21:39
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sambsknwhere can I find the ts file21:59
rpierce99it's specific to the kind of phone you have, what kind is it22:00
sambsknhtc touch diamond22:00
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rpierce99this one *should* work, no guarantees :) http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=518567&d=129781088122:03
rpierce99do you know what to do with it?22:03
sambsknnope22:04
rpierce99extract the zip file, put the file inside in the same folder as haret.exe22:04
sambsknthanks22:05
sambsknit says "/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off22:08
sambsknand under that22:08
rpierce99that's normal22:08
sambsknokay22:08
sambsknso, just wait?22:08
rpierce99look around on there for other error messages, but yes, wait22:09
sambsknit says "/ #(flashing underscore)"22:09
sambsknwait, nope22:09
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rpierce99I assume you'll tell me if it's not working22:13
sambsknno.22:14
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sambsknjust seemes to be doing what it normally does now( show a number that jumps by about a 100 every now and then, followed by mdp_dma busy)22:15
rpierce99are there any other error messages?22:16
sambsknno, but now it most current line is 609.(some decimal) unknown panel22:17
rpierce99well after this much time it's not going to work, so boot back into winmo22:18
sambsknwell now it's back to 703. decimal mdp_dma busy22:19
rpierce99yeah it changes, it's waiting for you to calibrate the screen but failing to show you the touch points22:19
rpierce99it's a known issue on new kernels22:19
sambsknsooooo...what do I do?22:20
rpierce99reboot back into winmo22:21
sambsknshucks22:21
sambsknis it a problem that I'm using a custom rom for winmo?22:22
rpierce99not unless you're overclocking winmo22:22
sambsknnope22:23
arrrghhhseems ts-calib is the correct route.  that didn't resolve it?22:23
rpierce99arrrghhh: you know how that goes22:24
arrrghhhlol22:24
arrrghhh:/22:24
arrrghhhi don't know how to make that easier.22:24
arrrghhhwe just need to eliminate tssc22:24
rpierce99sambskn: let me know when you're back in WinMo22:27
sambsknOf Course! . . . what?22:27
sambsknI am22:27
rpierce99tell me about the layout of your storage card22:27
rpierce99are your android files in the root or in a folder22:27
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sambsknroot22:29
rpierce99are you running windows?22:29
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sambsknHello?22:49
arrrghhhdo you have a question?22:49
sambsknI was asking about by phone, but I wasn't seeing new text on the irc so I had to log out and back in22:50
arrrghhhok...22:51
arrrghhhdo you have a question?22:51
sambsknWell, I'm just tryng to get xdandroid to run22:51
arrrghhhuhm...22:52
arrrghhhok22:52
arrrghhhdo you have a question?22:52
sambskn I had just andwered rpierce99's question if I was running windows22:52
sambsknI'm not sure where he was going with that22:52
arrrghhhi don't either22:52
arrrghhhwhat's the problem?22:52
sambsknwhen I do the first boot it gets to a point where it just says some number followed bt mda_dma busy (or something like that)22:53
arrrghhhyou did the ts-calib?22:54
arrrghhhseems that is tripping you up22:54
sambsknI downloaded the file pierce told me to download and put it in my root (where haret is)22:55
sambsknshould that file have a file extension22:55
arrrghhhno22:55
arrrghhhif you're using windows22:55
sambsknhm22:55
arrrghhhit likes to hide familiar extensions22:55
arrrghhhprobably where he was going with that.22:55
sambsknso I should do what?22:56
arrrghhhmake sure file extensions aren't hidden?22:56
sambsknokay22:58
sambskn lemme see22:58
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sambsknwell it's not set to hide known file types23:00
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arrrghhhok23:01
arrrghhhthere's no extension on ts-calibration23:01
sambskncheck23:01
arrrghhhit's at the root of your SD?23:02
arrrghhhalong with everything else?23:02
arrrghhhrootfs, startup.txt, zImage/modules, haret.exe, ts-calibration?23:02
R^7Zhmmm... seems arrrghhh has frozen another newb... :p23:03
sambsknno, just switching tabs23:03
arrrghhhdon't start.23:03
arrrghhhsambskn: ?23:04
sambsknbut yes, everythng in root23:04
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arrrghhhall those files i listed are there?23:04
sambsknyes, assuming that zimage and modules are 2 separate files23:04
arrrghhhyes23:05
arrrghhhhrm23:05
arrrghhhdid you grab the correct startup.txt?23:05
arrrghhhi guess you wouldn't boot at all if you didn't have one of those.23:05
arrrghhhhrm....23:05
sambsknMy modules file says modules-2.6.27.46-01253-gd53ddf6.tar.gz23:05
arrrghhhthat's fine23:05
sambsknis this right23:05
arrrghhhis it creating a data.img?23:05
arrrghhhagain at the root of your SD.23:05
sambsknI believe I have the correct startup.txt but ill check23:05
arrrghhhpastebin it if you're not sure.23:06
sambsknhttp://pastebin.com/6PXdZ2dN23:06
sambsknbe right back23:07
arrrghhhsambskn: you didn't get this from me.23:08
arrrghhhclock-7x00.a11=50023:08
arrrghhhis deprecated23:08
arrrghhhi'd have to look up the mtype23:08
arrrghhhwhere did you get this startup?23:08
sambsknback23:09
sambsknummm. I think it was from some xda thread23:09
arrrghhhwhich one23:10
sambsknII honestly couldn't tell you23:10
arrrghhhuhm23:11
arrrghhhthen i can't really help you.23:11
arrrghhhyou don't know where you got it from!??!23:11
R^7Zdefinitly an older startup.txt... probably before you updated them23:11
sambskncan't I just get a new one?23:11
arrrghhhyou're probably using some old outdated bundle for all i know.23:13
R^7Zsambskn: how long ago did you download the bundle?23:13
arrrghhhwhat DIAM sambskn?23:14
sambsknperhaps a month ago23:14
sambsknI'll check my download history23:14
arrrghhhwhat DIAM sambskn?23:14
R^7Zmust be switching tabs?23:15
arrrghhhdunno23:15
sambsknyeah, sorrry checking download history.23:16
sambsknCan't find exact file, but was downloaded week of 2/223:17
arrrghhhso...23:17
arrrghhhwhich DIAM?23:17
sambsknlemme see23:17
arrrghhhlol23:17
arrrghhhperhaps winmo will be safer for you :P23:17
R^7Ztwss? ;) :p23:18
sambsknnever!23:18
arrrghhhi'm serious.23:18
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sambsknwhat are to two types of DIAM, my memory escapes me23:19
arrrghhh100&500 off the top of my head.23:19
sambsknHow can I find this out?23:19
R^7Zoh boy....23:20
R^7Zreally?23:20
arrrghhhpull battery23:20
arrrghhhlook on phone23:20
arrrghhhperhaps winmo is best sambskn.23:20
arrrghhhi heard the phone comes with it, very easy.23:20
R^7Zheh23:20
sambsknBeleive it or not, when I first started the phone, htc's version of winmo didn't install correctly23:21
R^7Zperhaps a rotary phone may be better... (j/k... maybe)23:21
sambsknno touchflo or opera23:21
sambsknDIAM14023:21
arrrghhhlol that doesn't exist23:22
sambsknanything else i need before shutting up the phone23:22
sambsknanything?23:22
arrrghhhsambskn: are you reading that off of the battery?23:22
arrrghhhor the phone itself.23:22
sambsknphone23:22
arrrghhhnever heard of the 140.23:22
sambsknRight uder the bluetooth logo23:23
sambsknunder23:23
arrrghhhdunno where on the sticker23:23
arrrghhhwhat carrier?23:23
R^7Zdiamond clone?23:23
sambsknPhone came without carrier (beleive it or not, indonesia model, was a gift)23:23
arrrghhhLOL23:23
sambsknI'm using at&t23:24
arrrghhhreally can't help you then it seems.23:24
R^7Zhttp://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1580&c=htc_touch_diamond_gsm_htc_diamond_14023:24
sambskncame with euro charger and no usb cord23:24
sambskn that's not it23:24
R^7Zlike that raph300 with the weird button layout...23:24
arrrghhhyea23:24
arrrghhhcan't help that dude either.23:25
R^7Zbelieve it or not i was able to get him to boot...23:25
* R^7Z thinks23:25
arrrghhhuh23:25
sambsknlooks like this w/out verizon logo or colored call/hangup buttons23:25
sambsknhttp://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1365&c=verizon_touch_diamond_xv6950_htc_diamond_40023:25
arrrghhhhe was already booted R^7Z23:25
arrrghhhdude PM'd me.23:25
R^7Zsame23:25
arrrghhhsambskn: that's the vzw branded version...23:26
R^7Zsorry i meant running23:26
sambsknIt's looks like that but without any carrier branding23:26
sambsknsays htc where verizon is23:26
sambsknIt may be this one http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1386&c=htc_touch_diamond_us_htc_diamond_11023:28
arrrghhhlol23:29
arrrghhhjust keep guessing.23:29
R^7Zheh23:29
R^7Zlooks like the raph with the front facing cam23:29
arrrghhhraph11023:29
sambsknit looks just like that last link23:30
R^7Zso i take it there are more than one raph110 because mine dont have the front facing cam23:30
arrrghhhR^7Z: perhaps raph100?23:31
arrrghhhi dunno, there's too many fucking revisions.23:31
R^7Zarrrghhh: no idea... lolz i kno rite?23:31
R^7Zso many clones too23:31
sambsknmaybe I can just download the 110 one?23:32
sambsknthe 110 startup23:32
R^7Zsambskn: we need to determin which device you have23:32
arrrghhhwell he seems pretty confident diam14023:32
R^7Zif you had a diamond, your storage would not be removable23:32
arrrghhhso i guess diam100 startup should work.23:32
sambsknbut I don't have removeable stoarge. 4gb internal23:33
R^7Zcould just do the trial and error method... a bit length(ier)23:33
arrrghhhthere's only two startups for diam23:34
arrrghhhsambskn: yes he said NOT removable.23:34
sambsknoh.23:34
sambsknwell23:34
sambsknIll do that then23:34
R^7Zyay!23:34
sambsknwhere to download23:34
R^7Zsomeone listens!23:34
R^7Zlol23:34
arrrghhhhrm23:34
arrrghhhbased on the diam100 startup23:34
arrrghhhthat matches (for the most part)23:34
arrrghhhyou have some deprecated stuff in there23:35
arrrghhhand you're missing a sleep_mode23:35
sambsknOkay, let's pretend I know what that means, and fix it.23:35
arrrghhhsambskn: all of this mess is going at the root of that 4gb internal storage SD right?23:35
R^7Zheh23:35
arrrghhhchrist.23:35
sambsknYep23:35
* R^7Z is rolling on the floor at this point...23:36
sambsknShould I just edit the file directly or get a new one?23:36
arrrghhhsambskn: did you ever answer my data.img question?23:36
sambsknarrrghhh, I don't believe I have answered that q23:37
arrrghhh... could you please?23:37
sambsknwhat is the q?23:38
arrrghhhdo you have a data.img after booting?23:39
sambsknI'm not sure. What is a data.img?23:39
arrrghhh...same place as everything else23:39
arrrghhhroot of SDS23:39
arrrghhh*SD23:39
sambsknphone is booting, please wait23:41
arrrghhhbooting what?23:41
sambsknthe phone, so I can connect it to the computer and look at the files23:42
sambsknYeah, I got a data.img23:43
arrrghhhhrm23:43
arrrghhhso it got that far...23:44
arrrghhhyou never saw the boot animation tho?23:44
arrrghhhjust flying text and that's it?23:44
sambsknflying text, then occainisly jumping text to no apparent end23:44
arrrghhhheh23:45
arrrghhhhow long did you let it sit?23:45
R^7Zmaybe he might be better of starting with a working kernel package?23:45
sambsknI thought that the startup txt was the problem23:45
sambsknI did let it sit all night, but it does auto sleep23:45
arrrghhhall night?23:46
arrrghhh10 mins is the max.23:46
R^7Zworking = meaning one you could tap the points23:46
arrrghhhmore than 10mins, there's something wrong.23:46
R^7Ztrue...23:46
sambsknIt went for a good hour or so the first time I ever tried it.23:46
arrrghhh...23:46
arrrghhhread what i said above.23:46
sambsknand more, but that's given23:47
arrrghhhsambskn: did you read my post?23:47
sambsknyeah i know23:47
arrrghhhon xda-devs23:47
arrrghhhor ppcg23:47
R^7Zbut wouldnt it stay on the calibration screen at no end?23:47
arrrghhhbasically gives you an old kernel to create a ts-calib file on23:47
arrrghhhR^7Z: not sure.23:47
R^7Zperhaps i'll check into this to see if it'll bypass after so long...23:48
arrrghhhi should say i give instructions to use an old kernel to get a valid ts-calib23:48
arrrghhhR^7Z: lol23:48
R^7Zarrrghhh: LIES!!!! :p23:49
sambsknShould I just delete all xdandroid stuff and download the newest package?23:49
arrrghhhsambskn: sure23:50
arrrghhhformat with the HP tool23:50
sambsknhp tool?23:50
arrrghhhdon't use any built-in windows or winmo utilities.23:50
arrrghhhhttp://www.eocfiles.com/bdc86eb1ed2989c30dcd1902e84939ae/bootdisks/SP27608.exe23:50
R^7Zthat sounds like the smartest thing you've said thus far! :p ;)23:50
sambsknwhat is this file im downloading23:50
arrrghhhoy.23:51
arrrghhhsambskn: stick to winmo.23:51
R^7Zsambskn: if you want help, just do as we say... or you can stick with winmo23:52
R^7Z:D23:52
sambsknwell okay then23:52
sambsknstarted hp thing, should I back up music etc first?23:53
R^7Zdepends... do you not have a backup copy?23:53
sambsknwhat do you take me for, an advanced user?23:54
R^7Zwell... honestly23:54
sambsknjokes!23:54
R^7Z;)23:54
R^7Zheh... no respect! :p23:57
sambsknoh no! WinExplorer crashed!23:57
R^7Zruh roh raggy...23:58
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sambsknIll just copy pics, all my music is on my comp anyway, It'll just be a pain later. Oh well.23:59
sambsknOkey dokey, photos safe on external hard drive23:59

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