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| urgodfather | hello everyone | 11:56 |
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| urgodfather | is anyone awake? | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | my god father? | 11:56 |
| urgodfather | lol | 11:56 |
| urgodfather | thats what it says :p | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | what are YOU doing here? | 11:57 |
| urgodfather | well, i got to thinking last night and i wanted to see if i could pick a devs brain about something | 11:58 |
| urgodfather | no complaints no issues none of that | 11:58 |
| urgodfather | just curiosity | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | what's your question | 11:59 |
| urgodfather | well its more like a series of questions | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | k | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | proceed. enough foreplay | 12:00 |
| urgodfather | i wanna know about the process of RE andriod for porting | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | they take DLLs | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | and use some magic | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | and pick them apart basically | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | the DLLs from WinMo | 12:00 |
| urgodfather | ok | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | I believe it's a lot of hex editing. | 12:01 |
| urgodfather | then rewrite for android? | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | <-------- definitely not good at RE'ing | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | basically yes | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | they get the values of what's WinMo is using for the hardware | 12:01 |
| urgodfather | ok | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | then utilize that in Linux/Android | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | Cotulla is really the RE master here. some of the other devs are good at it, but Cotulla brings it to a whole new level. | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if he wants a padowan tho :P | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | he's very... how do i put this... russian. | 12:03 |
| urgodfather | lol | 12:03 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 12:04 |
| TheDeadCPU | Cotulla can't be human | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | nope | 12:04 |
| TheDeadCPU | He's most likely something that came out of the Hadron Collider and got a hold of that PC they made Avatar with. | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 12:05 |
| urgodfather | well i was thinking, instead of trying to to RE the DLLs why not just make a foundation out of like debian or mobilinux or something like that | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | yea, that would be SO much easier... | 12:05 |
| urgodfather | then build the android platform on top | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | it's because the hardware needs to know how to run | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | and debian doesn't support the rhodium dude | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | think about it... | 12:06 |
| urgodfather | it doesnt? | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 12:07 |
| TheDeadCPU | RE is the only way to go. Unless we get full documentation on all the HW | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | just because it runs on your PC doesn't mean that your phone has the support. | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | ^^^ what he said | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | basically the hardware support is most definitely NOT there | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | so we have to make linux support the hardware correctly. | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | that's what all the code is for. we have our own branch basically | 12:07 |
| urgodfather | yes | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | if it was already supported by some other system, of course it would be easy to just start with that as a base. | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | part of the reason the hd2 guys had such an easy time | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | they just rip system images from other similar pieces of hardware | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | and make the kernels for the device, the hardware support basically. | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | i can't get the hang of this stupid gallardo. | 12:09 |
| urgodfather | i still dont understand why debian doesnt support devices like the rhodium | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | uhm | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | because they don't? | 12:10 |
| urgodfather | i thought the concept behind debian was that it could apply to anything? | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | do you think their team is working on mobiles? | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | we run debian basically on it | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | but we had to help it along | 12:10 |
| urgodfather | not necessarily | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | they use our kernels | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | oy ve | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | haven't you seen the ubuntu ports? | 12:10 |
| urgodfather | yeah rhobuntu | 12:11 |
| urgodfather | ive seen it | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | peoples are talking about throwing vanilla debian on there when they support ARM | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | which they don't yet afaik | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | so there | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | what now | 12:11 |
| urgodfather | what about mobilunix | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno | 12:11 |
| urgodfather | it supports ARM | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | so use it | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | does it support our camera? | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | how about our freakin 3g radios | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | or i dunno... the cell radio at all? | 12:12 |
| urgodfather | lmao i know little to nothing about programming in linux | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | that's my point dude, we have to make the support! | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | that's the reason for the REing | 12:12 |
| urgodfather | thats why i let u devs do what u guys do best :) | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | one guy does have official docs on our chipset | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | he's been helping a TON | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | kbd backlight thanks to him. caps/fn leds. panel collapse. auto backlight sensor | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | it goes on and on | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | i guess qualcomm is letting him use *some* of the documentation to help with our project. | 12:13 |
| urgodfather | im not trying to frustrate you, and i hope im not. just like i said earlier, i only intend to pick ur brain a lil and maybe come out a lil more educated | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | well you were kinda arguing for a little there | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | it's cool | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | i don't understand it completely myself, but that's how i understand it | 12:15 |
| urgodfather | i see | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | it's not just arm too | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | it's msm7k | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | the support on mobile phones is very scant | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | for a reason | 12:15 |
| arrrghhh | if anyone could just throw some version of linux on there, phone manufacturers would be worried probably. | 12:16 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder what they think of the hd2 lol | 12:16 |
| arrrghhh | like... ooops. | 12:16 |
| urgodfather | what i have learned in the last 24 hrs is that there ARE mobile versions of linux around. but as far as applying them to devices, there is little to no documentation | 12:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea they're for "open" devices | 12:17 |
| urgodfather | android being the most abundant and xda the primary group for application | 12:17 |
| arrrghhh | purpose built crap that isn't a rhodium, for example. | 12:17 |
| arrrghhh | if it really was that easy, we would've been done a long time ago | 12:18 |
| arrrghhh | how long has this been running? years for the rhod. | 12:18 |
| arrrghhh | decades for the raph | 12:18 |
| urgodfather | what about the palm devices | 12:18 |
| urgodfather | people were running linux on there all the time right? | 12:19 |
| arrrghhh | not android | 12:19 |
| urgodfather | yes i know | 12:19 |
| arrrghhh | have fun with x11 on ur palm lmao | 12:19 |
| urgodfather | i would never get a plam lol | 12:20 |
| urgodfather | palm* | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | i've got an old school VIIx | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | haha, haven't used it in ages. | 12:20 |
| urgodfather | so what exactly is mobilinux? | 12:22 |
| urgodfather | i know its a montavista product | 12:22 |
| urgodfather | a lot of manufacturers use it | 12:23 |
| urgodfather | then build on top of | 12:23 |
| urgodfather | but thats about it | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | ha, i think i realize why that stupid froyoX "feels" so much faster. | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | it's MDPI. retarded, it looks like pooop | 12:25 |
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| urgodfather | well arrrghhh, thanks for your patience and willingness to explain. i appreciate it | 12:33 |
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| XirXes | F22, you around? | 17:10 |
| F22 | what's up Xirxes? | 17:11 |
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| XirXes | i was just trying to figure out how to make b4 = search in your rootfs but i think i just figured it out | 17:12 |
| F22 | b4HOME in startup.txt | 17:12 |
| F22 | put it on the set cmdline, inside the quotes with all the option options. | 17:13 |
| XirXes | to make it the default in mine would i just edit rhod_gpio-keypad_b4END.kl | 17:13 |
| F22 | yes. | 17:13 |
| XirXes | nice, ty | 17:13 |
| F22 | the b4HOME parameter actually causes a different .kl to be used. | 17:14 |
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| XirXes | thats what i deduced when i saw them | 17:14 |
| XirXes | the .kls | 17:14 |
| F22 | my comments are pretty detailed | 17:15 |
| XirXes | i noticed :) | 17:15 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:15 |
| XirXes | whats up arrrghhh | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | just livin the dream | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | gettin hated on in the forums because i singled handedly forced tiad8 to stop pumping out his garbage. | 17:16 |
| arrrghhh | you? | 17:16 |
| XirXes | oh awesome. | 17:16 |
| Nautis | Hey! credit where credits due bub :D | 17:17 |
| Nautis | I helped | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | you did | 17:17 |
| F22 | Xirxes: I really would prefer to make it the default, but while most would probably be happy, a vocal minority would likely complain...so...*shrug* | 17:17 |
| arrrghhh | you were catching some flack too Nautis | 17:17 |
| XirXes | yeah. but having options is definitly nice | 17:17 |
| XirXes | arrrghhh: linky. i wanna read | 17:18 |
| Nautis | Yeah saw that.. its a mess.. | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | just go to ppcg | 17:18 |
| arrrghhh | and see the poop | 17:18 |
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| * F22 hands you all proper gear like in the pic below before you guys go off to post in ppcg. | 17:26 | |
| F22 | http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2011/02/04/editors-choice/#a=9 | 17:26 |
| F22 | ;( | 17:27 |
| F22 | ;) | 17:27 |
| Nautis | Im just amazed at how things can be misinterperated and morphed into what people want them to be. My post was pretty accurate and I wasnt trying to attack the guy. I think I may have embarrased him though. | 17:27 |
| F22 | i thought your post was dead on and eminently reasonable Nautis. | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | now i'm just wondering what i should do | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | because i could get permission and pump out builds like he was | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | i won't HAVE THAT CERTAIN SOMETHING HE HAD | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | but i also won't be able to test as much as i do. | 17:30 |
| F22 | lol | 17:30 |
| arrrghhh | did you see? i think i might have pinpointed the system_server bug | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | it's not a good answer tho | 17:31 |
| arrrghhh | this makes me a saaaaaaaaaad panda | 17:32 |
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| stinebd | i can see the tiad thread now | 17:47 |
| stinebd | "just booted with jit on and system_server is okay and the camera works and battery is lasting for 18 years" | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 17:47 |
| stinebd | 57.9 on neocore | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | he'd never mention the jit thing tho | 17:47 |
| F22 | sounds about right, just need to capitalize it all. :P | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | you gave too much info stinebd | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | gotta sell it more | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | without the details :P | 17:48 |
| stinebd | patent pending! | 17:48 |
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| stinebd | hummmmm | 17:58 |
| stinebd | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7836 | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | interesting | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | from the touch screen? | 17:58 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: what was i going to put in gingerbread for you to test? | 17:59 |
| stinebd | some kinda something or other | 17:59 |
| stinebd | oh it was some ril crap that wis was cooking up for the same bug right? | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:01 |
| arrrghhh | RIL mess | 18:01 |
| stinebd | mind testing a gb build for me? | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | oh wait | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | it was that wep crap | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | wpa_supplicant 0.6.x? | 18:04 |
| stinebd | oh right | 18:04 |
| stinebd | screw that | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | and sure, i don't mind | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 18:04 |
| stinebd | you'll have to move your good data.img out of the way, sorry | 18:05 |
| arrrghhh | np | 18:05 |
| arrrghhh | oh, system_server still chokin proc with that 'portable' setting. | 18:05 |
| stinebd | yeah, saw | 18:07 |
| stinebd | thanks | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | just did another boot | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | to make sure | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:07 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not saying that re-enabling JIT is a solution, but perhaps it'll point us in the right direction to a solution. i know wistilt2 wanted to hash some crap out with you related to it. | 18:08 |
| stinebd | in the event gingerbread doesn't have this issue for you, i'd then suggest to remove sensors from rootfs and try froyo again | 18:08 |
| stinebd | with jit still off | 18:08 |
| stinebd | i'm seeing a pattern with google results and our issue | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | sensors? | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | from rootfs? | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | sounds dangerous. | 18:09 |
| stinebd | yes, /lib/froyo/hw/sensors.default.so | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:09 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:10 |
| arrrghhh | well let me know when you're ready, pm the link if you wish | 18:10 |
| stinebd | hmm | 18:11 |
| stinebd | that might need a new rootfs | 18:11 |
| stinebd | let me check | 18:11 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 18:11 |
| stinebd | new rootfs coming | 18:13 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 18:13 |
| xdandroid | New rootfs available (20110205-2d62f96) at: http://is.gd/387im4 -- Changes at: http://is.gd/3J2x4u | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | did F22 ever commit his mess? | 18:14 |
| F22 | it's not a mess. :P | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | hahahaha | 18:14 |
| arrrghhh | zomg booting gb | 18:15 |
| F22 | it's in active testing right now to shake out any remaining bugs | 18:16 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | i know a few cropped up | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | seemed like you got 'em squashed pretty quickly tho | 18:17 |
| F22 | yup, i rewrote the logic that handles the keymaps/layouts for rhodium in the init script and i wanted to make sure it was sound. | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 18:17 |
| stinebd | shell logic is never sound | 18:17 |
| F22 | lol | 18:18 |
| arrrghhh | what is /system/bin/dexpot | 18:18 |
| stinebd | dexopt? | 18:18 |
| arrrghhh | ha, maybe. it's gone now | 18:18 |
| stinebd | dex optimizer | 18:18 |
| stinebd | runs while package manager is processing an apk | 18:18 |
| F22 | dexpot? sounds like something you smoke when you want to relax... :P | 18:18 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:18 |
| arrrghhh | bootanim is flashing bad, but i probably still have those stupid gralloc and libgles mounted manually. | 18:19 |
| stinebd | i put that bad libGLES_qcom in there | 18:19 |
| arrrghhh | the "bad" one? | 18:19 |
| stinebd | some ogles1.1 version | 18:19 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:19 |
| arrrghhh | so far i seem to be in a bootloop, but it hasn't been 10 mins | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | it is 4:20 tho | 18:20 |
| stinebd | adb? | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | workin, i'm looking at top now | 18:20 |
| stinebd | logcat? | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | oh wait | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | screen | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | purrrrrdy | 18:21 |
| arrrghhh | u still want the logcat? | 18:22 |
| stinebd | nah | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 18:22 |
| stinebd | s_s? | 18:22 |
| xUmaRix | i had sdcard problem | 18:22 |
| xUmaRix | E/Vold ( 1372): Giving up on unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy) E/Vold ( 1372): Failed to unmount /mnt/secure/staging (Device or resource busy) E/Vold ( 1372): Failed to restore bindmount after failure! - Storage will appear offline! D/Vold ( 1372): Volume sdcard state changing 5 (Unmounting) -> 0 (No-Media) D/VoldCmdListener( 1372): volume share /sdcard ums E/MountService( 1405): Failed to share/uns | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | secret squirrel? | 18:22 |
| F22 | i'm a bit uncertain of how to handle the request to add a croatian keymap though since there is no croatian rhodium. it's just that up until this point all of these keyboards have actually existed. so i dunno. | 18:22 |
| stinebd | sys_ser | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, not in sight. | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | [mmcqd] is taking a lot of proccesor cycles, i assume that's writing/reading to the SD? | 18:23 |
| stinebd | maybe its dead | 18:23 |
| stinebd | yes | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | i think it's doing some media scan | 18:24 |
| stinebd | yes | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | first boot, going to let it shake out the demons. so far so good, just a little sluggish. | 18:24 |
| stinebd | ringtones | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know why it does this, but it seems to get worse the more builds i run | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | yes, lots of ringtones. | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | lots of duplicate ringtones. | 18:25 |
| stinebd | great! | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | some ringtones i have 3 copies of in the list lmao | 18:25 |
| stinebd | means its working | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | sound plays too when i click the ringtones | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | let it settle some, running real well dude. | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | great work ;) | 18:25 |
| stinebd | remember the other day when i told you about ring tones in system image? | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | remove them | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't. | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:26 |
| stinebd | well | 18:26 |
| stinebd | keep your sd copies for now | 18:26 |
| stinebd | since you're still using froyo | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | dude this is awesome. | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | i question some of the look that google picked | 18:26 |
| stinebd | still stable system_server? | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | but other aspects are great. that glow when you hit the top or bottom is cool | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | never pegged the processor. | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | lemme reboot. | 18:27 |
| stinebd | ok | 18:27 |
| stinebd | have you ever run froyo with checkjni=0? | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | sleeps quick too. this is awesome. | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | not for extended periods, no | 18:27 |
| stinebd | noticed sys_ser with that? | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | i'll have to check that. | 18:27 |
| stinebd | that and sensors are two things i'm interested in at the moment | 18:28 |
| rpierce99_ | i had checkjni=0 and still got system_server | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | lots to test, and rebooting takes a while. thank goodness for gen.y, not sure why i waited so long to install it. | 18:28 |
| stinebd | ok good | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | so gsensor, prox sensor, light sensor...? | 18:28 |
| stinebd | ginger has checkjni=0 due to the new build config changes btw | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 18:28 |
| arrrghhh | freakin tiad | 18:29 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should pump out crap like he does to make people happy. | 18:29 |
| stinebd | i pump out crap daily | 18:29 |
| stinebd | it never makes anyone happy | 18:29 |
| F22 | eeewww.... | 18:29 |
| arrrghhh | well, useful crap. | 18:29 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 18:29 |
| arrrghhh | forgot to check that libgles crap | 18:29 |
| stinebd | screw libgles i'll sort that out on my own | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | np | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | bootani just makes me :( | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | woah | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | booted quick | 18:30 |
| stinebd | i accidentally built a passion image with the xdandroid tree | 18:30 |
| stinebd | so now i have xdandroid boot animation on my nexus one | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | y'know what bug you squashed with gb stinebd ? | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:30 |
| rpierce99_ | arrrghhh: orientation | 18:30 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 18:31 |
| stinebd | because there's no sensors ;) | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | lmao der. | 18:31 |
| F22 | lol | 18:31 |
| * arrrghhh goes to smoke more | 18:31 | |
| F22 | dexpot...good stuff... | 18:31 |
| F22 | ;) | 18:31 |
| stinebd | haha | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | that should help. | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | holy crap stine. | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | this is... dare i say... FAST | 18:31 |
| arrrghhh | no system_server issues whatsoever. | 18:32 |
| F22 | oO | 18:32 |
| stinebd | launcher is amazingly smooth now right? | 18:32 |
| stinebd | well not amazingly | 18:32 |
| stinebd | but noticeably at least | 18:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:32 |
| arrrghhh | aw | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | browser FC | 18:33 |
| stinebd | yes | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | loads up quickly, then FC's | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | hooray, i get my FC's quicker now! | 18:33 |
| stinebd | if you take it somewhere other than google somehow, it works | 18:33 |
| stinebd | like open a link from email | 18:33 |
| rpierce99_ | google uses loc | 18:33 |
| stinebd | i forgot to fork browser | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | wow this is awesome. | 18:33 |
| arrrghhh | holy FAST dude. | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | <3 | 18:34 |
| stinebd | yeah | 18:34 |
| stinebd | wish i had time to fix all the crap wrong with it | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | ... can i help at all? | 18:34 |
| stinebd | sure | 18:34 |
| stinebd | rewrite libsensors | 18:34 |
| arrrghhh | tell me everything you know. | 18:35 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:35 |
| F22 | lol | 18:35 |
| stinebd | also libgps | 18:35 |
| stinebd | and while we're at it liblights | 18:35 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:35 |
| stinebd | a lot of the real horrible stuff is already fixed | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 18:36 |
| stinebd | including the browser thing which i just forgot to include in that | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 18:36 |
| rpierce99_ | arrrghhh: you wanted me to verify jit was off once I got booted back in | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | can't get it back to portrait | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99_, yea | 18:36 |
| stinebd | go back to launcher | 18:36 |
| arrrghhh | adb logcat |grep -i jit | 18:36 |
| stinebd | for some reason android won't listen to the clam switch for unrotate | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | odd | 18:37 |
| stinebd | it's a design decision | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | it's a feature? | 18:37 |
| stinebd | probably because all the phones have accelerometers | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | hooray! | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | so it respects the gsensor above all | 18:37 |
| arrrghhh | surprised it rotates landscape in the first place :P | 18:38 |
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| arrrghhh | stinebd, i found if you're quick you can hit stop on the browser | 18:39 |
| rpierce99_ | JIT is on for system_server | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | and so long as it doesn't finish loading the page | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99_, que? | 18:39 |
| rpierce99_ | that command returned JIT started for system_server | 18:39 |
| rpierce99_ | and then some JIT table resizing | 18:39 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 18:40 |
| rpierce99_ | and i'm at 94.3 system_server | 18:40 |
| rpierce99_ | so no love there | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | that's very odd... i don't understand my results then. | 18:40 |
| rpierce99_ | yeah i didn't understand my first 10 boots after manually applying the APN either | 18:40 |
| arrrghhh | youtube HQ "seems" to work even better. just need to get the clocks right in the kernel or whatever the heck is holding it up, as the video still doesn't play. | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99_, damn u. | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | if you let it sit | 18:41 |
| arrrghhh | does system_server get better, or worse... | 18:42 |
| rpierce99_ | 96.2 right now | 18:42 |
| rpierce99_ | 95.6 | 18:42 |
| rpierce99_ | 97.2 | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | you're on f22's rootfs? | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | and wistilts feb2 test kernel? | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. i wonder if i should give you this latest test kernel, just to see. | 18:42 |
| arrrghhh | he's tweaked a bunch of weird crap since i last publically posted a kernel. | 18:43 |
| rpierce99_ | got down into the 50s for a bit, then back up to 90 | 18:43 |
| arrrghhh | i <3 gb | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | like i said, some weird design decisions | 18:44 |
| arrrghhh | i guess trying to make it look 'cleaner' instead of 'fancier' | 18:44 |
| stinebd | don't read too much into it | 18:45 |
| stinebd | darks are better on battery usage with amoled screens, that's all | 18:45 |
| stinebd | so they made everything dark except buttons | 18:45 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:47 |
| arrrghhh | the paradigm just seems overall "simpler" would you agree? | 18:47 |
| arrrghhh | graphically | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | like the radio buttons | 18:48 |
| stinebd | lazier | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | and the notification pull down obviously. | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | yes. | 18:48 |
| rpierce99_ | arrrghhh: if you want me to try it with that other kernel let me know | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99_, i think i'll do some more testing and let you know, thx. | 18:48 |
| rpierce99_ | np | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | gonna be hard to stop playing with gb tho. this is ridiculous stinebd | 18:48 |
| arrrghhh | i'm going to see if stickman can help with the userland stuff... maybe he can, i dunno. | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | holy wow. i am just amazed. | 18:49 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, please release this. even with the stuff that's broken, just say it's alpha and this this and this are broken. | 18:50 |
| arrrghhh | MAYBE YOU CAN GET EVERYONES ATTENTION BY PUTTING ON THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL | 18:50 |
| arrrghhh | seemed to work for tiad. | 18:51 |
| stinebd | heh | 18:52 |
| stinebd | tell you what... if i fix bluetooth or at least make it not crash the whole system when turning on, i'll put out a tester build | 18:52 |
| arrrghhh | like even the unlock is fast | 18:52 |
| * arrrghhh goes to test BT | 18:53 | |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | nothing blew up, but it also says it's still off | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | it just kinda sat there acting like it was turning it on ... then went back to "Turn on Bluetooth" | 18:54 |
| stinebd | blows up bad on ti | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | modules don't matter for this do they? | 18:54 |
| stinebd | no | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt didn't release this kernel with any modules lol | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | didn't think so | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't really do anything horrible | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | you want a logcat? | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't seem to do much of anything tbh. | 18:54 |
| stinebd | nah, i know what's going on for yours | 18:54 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 18:55 |
| arrrghhh | can i provide some sort of moral support? | 18:55 |
| stinebd | userland config is totally wrong for broadcom | 18:55 |
| * arrrghhh is pretty worthless | 18:55 | |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:55 |
| stinebd | but i won't bother trying to fix it because kernel side isn't working either | 18:55 |
| rpierce99_ | who runs @xdandroid on twitter? | 19:01 |
| rpierce99_ | never mind :) | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | multi-tasking on this phone really isn't possible lol | 19:03 |
| rpierce99_ | haha omg keymap end button power button task switcher rawr | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | system_server definitely spikes everytime i touch the screen | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | i just haven't gotten a situation where it's choking everything out at boot. | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | hrm sometimes the 3g and signal bars is white, and sometimes it is green. does this indicate usage or something...? | 19:07 |
| rpierce99_ | Notification bar icons (Wi-Fi, network coverage bars, etc.): Turn green when you have an uninhibited connection to Google, white when you don't. Hint: if you're in a hotel or airport using Wi-Fi, the bars won't turn green until you launch the browser and get past the captive portal. | 19:08 |
| rpierce99_ | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/some-cool-android-tips-and-tricks.html | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder why it went white there for a moment :P | 19:09 |
| rpierce99_ | you should test out some of the other tips there | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | holy tiny keyboard lol | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | visual cue works | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | Oo :( soft reset | 19:10 |
| arrrghhh | "Cool shutdown effect: When you put the phone to sleep, you’ll see an animation that resembles an old cathode tube TV turning off." <--- that one makes me lol | 19:11 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: the green/white network indicator is slightly buggy due to transient server-side issues | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | heh, fair enough. | 19:13 |
| rpierce99_ | stinebd: it's google, we call that "beta" | 19:13 |
| stinebd | and the suspend animation probably will never work for us | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | lol gmail was beta for what, 5 years? | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, aw really? i was going to say i didn't notice it. i'm booting again tho. | 19:14 |
| stinebd | it's actually designed to work around a hardware issue with the backlight on nexus s | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:14 |
| stinebd | but looks pretty on nexus one too | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | what's genie | 19:15 |
| stinebd | news & weather | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | android.apps.genie.geni | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 19:15 |
| stinebd | no idea why the hell they called it that | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | weird. | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | it gets you everything you want to know? | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:15 |
| stinebd | you get three wishes and then it stops working | 19:16 |
| rpierce99_ | if you rub it a few times | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | bwhahaha | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | gb is awesome tho man. i'm really surprised it's so fast. | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | i'm REALLY curious what moving to .35 will bring. | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure horror at first... | 19:16 |
| stinebd | ginger was horror at first too | 19:17 |
| stinebd | nowhere near as bad as froyo though | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | wtf is up with the kbd tho | 19:18 |
| arrrghhh | it's like tiny and missing the all important 'voice' button... | 19:19 |
| stinebd | gotta install voice search | 19:19 |
| stinebd | it's not in the gingerbread gapps packages | 19:19 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 19:19 |
| arrrghhh | same with maps eh? | 19:19 |
| arrrghhh | i had to install that | 19:19 |
| stinebd | yeah | 19:19 |
| stinebd | the keyboard seems tiny but the calibration should help with that | 19:20 |
| stinebd | and touchable areas for the keys are only a bit smaller | 19:20 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | the profile of the kbd is definitely smaller. | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | eh works pretty well actually. | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | not bad | 19:21 |
| stinebd | my miss rate is about the same | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | maps in 3d... hmmm | 19:21 |
| stinebd | (very high) | 19:21 |
| arrrghhh | they tell me how to enable it my using some esoteric multi-touch swipe | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | which obviously wouldn't work on here. | 19:22 |
| stinebd | 3d probably wouldn't work out very well either heh | 19:22 |
| stinebd | so it's for the best | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | i want to see how bad it is :P | 19:22 |
| stinebd | it's slow even on n1 | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | that sucks | 19:22 |
| arrrghhh | the app drawer is awesome tho | 19:23 |
| arrrghhh | so smooth and fast. | 19:23 |
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| GlemSom | We're moving to .35? :O | 19:23 |
| stinebd | oh god | 19:23 |
| stinebd | he didn't know | 19:23 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 19:23 |
| arrrghhh | he's been just a little out of the game. | 19:24 |
| GlemSom | No-one ever tells me anything! | 19:24 |
| GlemSom | at all! | 19:24 |
| GlemSom | :P | 19:24 |
| stinebd | i doubt emwe will want that on the autobuild right away | 19:24 |
| stinebd | so you're safe | 19:24 |
| GlemSom | I've been very much out of the game lately | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | it's not nearly ready for a public release. | 19:24 |
| stinebd | for the same reasons i don't want to put out a gingerbread prerelease | 19:24 |
| GlemSom | The more beta testers, the better :P | 19:24 |
| stinebd | have you seen our bugzilla? | 19:24 |
| arrrghhh | hahhaha | 19:25 |
| stinebd | we'd get about 90 dupes saying "zomgcrash" | 19:25 |
| GlemSom | I'm a bit unsure what gingerbread actually brings to us.... ? | 19:25 |
| stinebd | ask arrrghhh | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | black theme | 19:25 |
| rpierce99_ | apparently it's fast | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | hotness that fastasfuckholyfast | 19:25 |
| stinebd | neat battery graph | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:25 |
| GlemSom | uhh black theme - then it's ALL WORTH IT! :P | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | "lazy" graphics as stinebd likes to say | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | green signal bars! | 19:26 |
| arrrghhh | w00t | 19:26 |
| arrrghhh | oh oh and the battery icon in the notification bar is up right instead of on its side :P | 19:26 |
| arrrghhh | upright? | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 19:27 |
| rpierce99_ | arrrghhh: *sometimes* green signal bars *beta* | 19:27 |
| GlemSom | I sure hope to have my autobuild up and running soon!... Just need a few more cable trays and some shelfs to put up... (And a hell lot of re-wireing to do) | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99_, so far 99% of the time they've been green tbh. | 19:27 |
| stinebd | wtf GlemSom | 19:27 |
| stinebd | are you running mission control in houston? | 19:27 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:27 |
| GlemSom | stinebd, hehe | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | yea you should take pics of your insane setup | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | because damn dude, it's been down for a while. | 19:28 |
| GlemSom | stinebd, The people who lived here before had absolutly NO CLUE at all about phone wires and stuff... So, I'll have to redo most of it | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | gonna neocore this beast when tb is done | 19:29 |
| GlemSom | For unknown reasons, they used a 8 pair, untwisted unshielded cable to connect an extra phone plug, and they even managed to use the wrong wires - and the wrong connections... | 19:29 |
| rpierce99_ | who uses telphone RJ11? | 19:29 |
| stinebd | this is my living room tv setup: http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9891/30972181ne4.jpg | 19:29 |
| rpierce99_ | oh ok nm | 19:29 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 19:29 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, classy | 19:29 |
| GlemSom | rpierce99, yes rj11 | 19:30 |
| GlemSom | stinebd, hahaha sweet! :D | 19:30 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should pay for tb | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | i use it so damned much | 19:31 |
| GlemSom | tb ? | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | titanium backup | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | tuberculosis | 19:31 |
| arrrghhh | i really should pay for this tuberculosis. | 19:32 |
| stinebd | why not? | 19:33 |
| stinebd | i paid for my syphilis | 19:33 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:33 |
| arrrghhh | no wonder nobody want's to use frx04 :P | 19:33 |
| arrrghhh | that froyoX thread just makes me laugh. people were saying our builds were way harder to use... | 19:34 |
| GlemSom | I was at a party a few weeks ago, where I talked with someone who were using xdandroid on his phone (He didn't knew I was involved in this project) - and he complained about it was to hard to use... He just wanted a .cab file, and then everything should just work... :/ | 19:36 |
| GlemSom | some people just really miss the point here! | 19:36 |
| GlemSom | :/ | 19:36 |
| arrrghhh | LOL | 19:36 |
| arrrghhh | graphics are basically non-existent on neocore. | 19:36 |
| arrrghhh | GlemSom, yea, it seems the public release was almost a bad idea. | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | as it's far from ready for general consumption | 19:37 |
| GlemSom | arrrghhh, Sadly, it generates a lot of noise in "false" bugs... :/ | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | holy shit | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | i'm assuming this is because the graphics are basically not there | 19:38 |
| arrrghhh | but i got a 29.5 in neocore | 19:38 |
| GlemSom | The thing is - EVERYONE can copy a Windows Mobile kitchen - and make their "own" mobile O/S... People do not realize xdandroid cannot be compared to that at all! | 19:38 |
| arrrghhh | yea haha | 19:38 |
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| arrrghhh | stinebd, i have a question about OC values. | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | and the ones that reef has listed in the FAQ | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | for example, 528mhz = 540672 in startup.txt | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 19:46 |
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| janessa12345 | could anyone help me with my facebook integration? it literally stopped working overnight | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | don't use it so... no | 19:47 |
| arrrghhh | deleting the data.img usually fixes weird things tho | 19:48 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: i don't really use the overclocking at all, so i can only go by what i remember about it | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | just make sure you backup with tb. | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, fair enough. | 19:48 |
| arrrghhh | i need to confirm this, i remember seeing a line in dmesg referencing it. | 19:48 |
| stinebd | basically what i remember is that you pick a value and the kernel will try to set the frequency to the nearest multiple of 19200 | 19:49 |
| stinebd | nearest going down | 19:49 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 19:49 |
| arrrghhh | the argument is between the 1024khz=1mhz i think | 19:49 |
| arrrghhh | ah ha | 19:49 |
| arrrghhh | 8800 off interesting... time to muck with this crap. oy, users. | 19:50 |
| arrrghhh | oh i could've adjusted that from android... poop. | 19:50 |
| stinebd | i don't think you can adjust the overclocking max frequency after boot | 19:51 |
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| arrrghhh | no but i can mod the startup.txt | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | and boot right back to android with gen.y | 19:52 |
| arrrghhh | skippin winmo basically. | 19:52 |
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| arrrghhh | hrm, well reef's faq isn't right | 20:07 |
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| arrrghhh | and the zealots in the forums don't seem to be right either lol | 20:07 |
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| arrrghhh | heh, perhaps reef is right | 20:11 |
| arrrghhh | with no acpu statement, i get the same clock speed... | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | ACPU running at 537600 KHz | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | ah crap stupid user error | 20:13 |
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| arrrghhh | ah crap stupid user error | 20:14 |
| arrrghhh | forgot to push | 20:14 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, no system_server boots yet tho. | 20:14 |
| * arrrghhh knocks on wood | 20:14 | |
| arrrghhh | heh. | 20:14 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: 537600 is correct, that's 19.2kHz * 28 | 20:18 |
| F22 | and yes, reef's numbers are off. | 20:19 |
| arrrghhh | *28? | 20:19 |
| F22 | 28 is the multiple or the "step". | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | so uh... i guess i should tell reef his #'s are off :P | 20:20 |
| F22 | if you overclock an intel chip, it's all about setting the step. | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i don't see how that multiplier applies to the # i'm picking. | 20:20 |
| F22 | only in the sense that it has to be a whole number. | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | you're a whole number | 20:22 |
| F22 | am i speaking greek? | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | lol no | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | sorry | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | just losing my mind, don't mind me. | 20:23 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i just want to know what to tell reef to adjust his values to | 20:24 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see how to relate that multiplier to the number i'm entering... | 20:24 |
| F22 | oh...just use different multiples, 28 is 537600, 29 is 556800, etc... | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | 27.5 | 20:25 |
| F22 | you don't have to mention the multiples in the doc. | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | i want 27.5 lol | 20:25 |
| F22 | don't overclock | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:26 |
| F22 | then you'll get the divisor of 2, instead of the divisor of 1. | 20:26 |
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| F22 | which effectively allows for 9.6Mhz steps. | 20:26 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 20:26 |
| arrrghhh | ah well | 20:26 |
| arrrghhh | just answering questions in my testing thread | 20:26 |
| arrrghhh | of course completely unrelated to my testing thread, but hey. | 20:27 |
| F22 | i don't know the details, i just recall bzo mentioning a bit about how it works when he fixed that sleep mode bug. | 20:27 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:27 |
| arrrghhh | ah well | 20:28 |
| arrrghhh | food time | 20:28 |
| arrrghhh | gf is getting restless | 20:28 |
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| Lagartija | hello | 23:55 |
| Lagartija | have a fuze and it is not booting. | 23:56 |
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