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| GregTampa-mobman | wow phone just up and rebooted....on its own.. that a known bug? | 00:03 |
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| arrrghhh | lmao | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | there's about 10,000 | 00:06 |
| arrrghhh | take a number | 00:06 |
| GregTampa-mobman | bug 82 | 00:07 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=82 normal, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, turn off data connection cause phone reboot | 00:07 |
| GregTampa-mobman | you said u had same phone couldnt reproduce, maby i can clear it up a little? | 00:08 |
| GregTampa-mobman | his data drops after it looses signal or whatever, i noticed my phone drops the data every hour or so...as u can see i been relogging in... | 00:08 |
| GregTampa-mobman | that is when phone restart/rebooted | 00:08 |
| GregTampa-mobman | on its own | 00:08 |
| GregTampa-mobman | but that is a guess, I will try to reproduce down to detailed, and confirm anything i find. | 00:10 |
| arrrghhh | clear as mud | 00:10 |
| GregTampa-mobman | mud isnt clear... | 00:11 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 00:11 |
| GregTampa-mobman | getting late need sleep, got some programming todo appeartly... | 00:11 |
| GregTampa-mobman | stupid job | 00:11 |
| GregTampa-mobman | but i love my job so whatrver | 00:12 |
| GregTampa-mobman | now to figure out how to manually add a shortcut to boot xdandroid.. | 00:12 |
| GregTampa-mobman | whats the XD stand for? | 00:13 |
| hyc | XDA | 00:14 |
| GregTampa-mobman | yeah i was just looking at that | 00:14 |
| GregTampa-mobman | noticed the XDA part lol nice name drop | 00:14 |
| GregTampa-mobman | found the mailing list http://lists.xdandroid.com/listinfo/xdandroid-dev | 00:15 |
| arrrghhh | yea, don't mind if you lurk | 00:17 |
| arrrghhh | but please don't post to it... | 00:17 |
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| F22 | arrrghhh, when you have a spare moment, open up a shell with adb, type "sh" and press enter. then type ls, hit enter again, followed by the up arrow. | 00:28 |
| arrrghhh | ok.... | 00:29 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 00:31 |
| F22 | i'm betting it will give you your last command. | 00:31 |
| F22 | , you can scroll through your command history via up arrow and down arrow. | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | i'm guessing that's ash? | 00:31 |
| F22 | yup | 00:31 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 00:31 |
| F22 | you can also use the arrows to edit backward and forward. | 00:31 |
| F22 | ctrl-a takes you to the beginning of the line, ctrl-e to the end of the line. | 00:31 |
| hyc | bash/emacs style | 00:32 |
| F22 | finally, you can hit tab to complete a file name. yep. | 00:32 |
| F22 | i've made it my default shell in the terminal emulator. | 00:32 |
| arrrghhh | that's cisco style in a way too | 00:33 |
| arrrghhh | funky | 00:33 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 00:33 |
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| arrrghhh | this should be the default shell lol | 00:33 |
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| hyc | quite sure emacs was here before Cisco ;) | 00:33 |
| arrrghhh | i guess they don't want the noobs having this much powa | 00:33 |
| F22 | lol | 00:35 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, oh yea | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | cisco emulates a lot of other systems. | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | little pieces here and there gleaned | 00:36 |
| arrrghhh | lots of unix | 00:36 |
| F22 | people using bourne shell got jealous, and the stopgap that was korn shell wasn't enough. so bash was invented. so bourne again shell (ie bash) was created. | 00:36 |
| F22 | jealous of c-shell & t-shell that is. lol. | 00:37 |
| hyc | I used to only use tcsh, for ages... | 00:37 |
| F22 | i loved tcsh | 00:37 |
| hyc | finally surrendered and use bash now | 00:37 |
| F22 | yup, same here. | 00:37 |
| arrrghhh | i'm pretty new to linux i guess | 00:38 |
| hyc | it still pisses me off sometimes. I liked to be able to type "set" and see maybe a screenful of variables. | 00:38 |
| arrrghhh | i've only used it for a couple of years... haha. | 00:38 |
| hyc | now I get deluged by shell functions, etc. etc... | 00:38 |
| F22 | lol | 00:39 |
| hyc | I wrote the multiformat floppy disk driver for Linux 0.9 | 00:39 |
| F22 | wow | 00:39 |
| hyc | I've been around for a while... ;) | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | i did some simple programming back in the day. | 00:39 |
| arrrghhh | started with basic, y'know. | 00:40 |
| arrrghhh | on a computer older than me lol | 00:40 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: to make it your default shell in terminal emulator: hit menu while in the terminal, then change the Command line from: /system/bin/sh - to /bin/sh - | 00:41 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 00:42 |
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| tripp00 | hope to get some help,i was wondering why when i install android on my tilt 2 it boots up fine but i can't access my sd card from android | 01:27 |
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| arrrghhh | so you're trying to use it as mass storage? | 01:27 |
| arrrghhh | cuz that doesn't really work... | 01:27 |
| F22 | isn't the answer to that q in the faq? | 01:27 |
| arrrghhh | if you're having issues with ring tones or some app accessing that | 01:28 |
| arrrghhh | http://www.eocfiles.com/bdc86eb1ed2989c30dcd1902e84939ae/bootdisks/SP27608.exe | 01:28 |
| arrrghhh | format using the hp tool ^^ | 01:28 |
| arrrghhh | full format, fat32. | 01:28 |
| F22 | tripp00 how exactly are you attempting to access your sd card when it isn't working? | 01:29 |
| tripp00 | like when i go to setting and sd card it says sdcard unavailable | 01:29 |
| F22 | oh that, see arrrghhh's first answer. | 01:30 |
| tripp00 | i need to format it with the hp tool? | 01:31 |
| F22 | no that's his second answer. | 01:31 |
| tripp00 | so u can't access it,i have a apk file on it i wanted to see if i can install it, so theres no way to use your sd card to store files? | 01:31 |
| arrrghhh | adb | 01:32 |
| F22 | until we move everything to the rom you won't be able to access the sd card that way. | 01:32 |
| arrrghhh | kinda an advanced tool | 01:32 |
| F22 | right now android is dependent on the sd card for everything, so it can't be unmounted. | 01:32 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 01:32 |
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| hyc | you could partition the card | 01:33 |
| F22 | there's a potential option. | 01:33 |
| tripp00 | is there a way to install applacations without going through the market | 01:33 |
| XirXes | you should still be able to browse the card using an app like Andexplorer | 01:34 |
| F22 | what's the other one everyone is always recommending? Astro File Manager? | 01:34 |
| XirXes | ive installed many apk's that way | 01:34 |
| F22 | apk's can be dropped in. | 01:35 |
| XirXes | I dont really like astro. it does some things pretty unintuitivly. | 01:35 |
| XirXes | such as installing apks | 01:36 |
| F22 | i'm happy with the command line, so i haven't bothered to hunt around for a pretty gui to do what i prefer doing from a shell prompt. | 01:38 |
| XirXes | this last year has really been my first real use of command lines and such. ive spent most of my life comfortable in my windows gui | 01:40 |
| XirXes | im getting pretty proficiant tho | 01:41 |
| tripp00 | andexplorer is working great thanks guys | 01:41 |
| XirXes | np | 01:41 |
| tripp00 | another question was is there a way to put the orignial keyboard layout for the tilt2 to be use? | 01:42 |
| XirXes | you have to modify the startup.txt. where did you get your copy of android | 01:43 |
| XirXes | ? | 01:43 |
| tripp00 | from projectandroid | 01:44 |
| XirXes | are you using blazin or reference? cause blazin is out of date | 01:45 |
| tripp00 | im using reference | 01:45 |
| XirXes | read the faq on that site. it has all the info you'll need to set up the key layout | 01:47 |
| tripp00 | ok thank you so much, im enjoying alot more now =) | 01:47 |
| tripp00 | it* | 01:47 |
| XirXes | np. android kicks the crap out of winblow | 01:48 |
| tripp00 | yup forsure | 01:48 |
| tripp00 | whats funny is blazin would work with my 3g give me phone and everything , and reference doesn't want too | 01:49 |
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| XirXes | glad to see market.android.com working with our devices | 05:31 |
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| Aks | hey, in the orig instructions it said that don't use microSDHC cards, but has that changed ... can I use microSDHC cards now with the current builds | 09:24 |
| Aks | guess not ? | 09:29 |
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| stinebd | XirXes: wow it actually works? | 09:44 |
| Eodun | hm I have only used micro SDHC and it works without problems... | 09:49 |
| F22 | lol, me too. | 10:15 |
| F22 | pity some people don't stick around long enough to get answers. | 10:15 |
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| willem | hi | 16:02 |
| willem | can anyone help me? | 16:03 |
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| willem | hi programmer | 16:03 |
| willem | hello! | 16:03 |
| willem | please help me | 16:04 |
| willem | anyone? | 16:04 |
| willem | hello! | 16:05 |
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| visof | hello | 16:21 |
| visof | i have installed android 2.2.1 on htc diamond but there is no sound | 16:22 |
| rpierce99_ | How did you install it | 16:22 |
| visof | also it's slow somehow , can i speed it up ? | 16:22 |
| visof | copy the files on sd card then run haret.exe | 16:23 |
| rpierce99_ | copied from where | 16:23 |
| visof | rpierce99_, why ? | 16:24 |
| visof | rpierce99_, do you want it ? | 16:24 |
| rpierce99_ | no, the version of the files you used is what i'm trying to get at | 16:24 |
| rpierce99_ | if you're using an old build, say blazn, then you are going to have issues | 16:25 |
| visof | rpierce99_, i didn't remember where i got them | 16:25 |
| rpierce99_ | check in settings | 16:26 |
| rpierce99_ | about | 16:26 |
| visof | but which version you want to know ? | 16:26 |
| visof | ok | 16:26 |
| visof | rpierce99_, areyou running android on htc diamond too ? | 16:26 |
| rpierce99_ | touch pro 2 | 16:26 |
| rpierce99_ | same software though | 16:26 |
| visof | close to it | 16:26 |
| visof | which android you are using ? | 16:27 |
| rpierce99_ | specifically the kernel version and build number | 16:27 |
| rpierce99_ | figuring that out won't fix your phone | 16:27 |
| rpierce99_ | :) | 16:27 |
| visof | is the sound work and it enough faster ? | 16:27 |
| rpierce99_ | yes | 16:27 |
| visof | also my sd card isn't supported there | 16:28 |
| rpierce99_ | known issue | 16:28 |
| visof | rpierce99_, Build number : FRX03 , kernel version 2.6.27.46 | 16:30 |
| visof | android 2.2.1 | 16:30 |
| visof | rpierce99_, and yours ? | 16:30 |
| rpierce99_ | you're running old software | 16:31 |
| rpierce99_ | FRX04 | 16:31 |
| rpierce99_ | remove everything from your storage card and start fresh with the FRX04 RAR file | 16:31 |
| rpierce99_ | http://reefermattness.scepterr.info/XDAndroid2.2Froyo.012211.rar | 16:32 |
| rpierce99_ | as for the slowness, what you are probably experiencing we refer to as the system_server bug, making a call to your voicemail will speed it up | 16:33 |
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| rpierce99_ | visof: and if you are not already, these are the instructions for your device: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701566 | 16:35 |
| rpierce99_ | assuming you're on a cdma diamond | 16:36 |
| visof | rpierce99_, Build number : FRX03 , kernel version 2.6.27.46 | 16:37 |
| visof | rpierce99_, and yours ? | 16:37 |
| visof | rpierce99_, around? | 16:37 |
| rpierce99_ | yeah i responded | 16:37 |
| rpierce99_ | you must have died out | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | i said FRX03 is old | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | you need FRX04 | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | remove everything from your storage card | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | then install FRX04 | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | http://reefermattness.scepterr.info/XDAndroid2.2Froyo.012211.rar | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | as for the slowness, what you are probably experiencing we refer to as the system_server bug, making a call to your voicemail will speed it up | 16:38 |
| rpierce99_ | there is a well maintained list of known issues with all versions here: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/tp2-android-development/132515-read-before-you-post-something-isnt-working-known-issues-affecting-all-builds-1-31-a.html | 16:39 |
| rpierce99_ | it includes the system_server issue | 16:39 |
| visof | rpierce99_, are you using FX04 ? | 16:47 |
| rpierce99_ | yes | 16:47 |
| visof | how is it better than 03 ? | 16:48 |
| rpierce99_ | there are many bugfixes and improvements over FRX03, not the least of which is that when you're having a problem with a fresh installation of the most current version available, they might be able to help you troubleshoot rather than tell you to try the new version in case it was fixed :) | 16:50 |
| visof | rpierce99_, what are the problems do you have with android except camera ? | 16:53 |
| rpierce99_ | read that second link i just posted | 16:53 |
| rpierce99_ | it has all of the known issues | 16:53 |
| XirXes | stinebd: yeah it just has no idea what to call it. it has nothing in the model or vendor ids so it just calls it phone | 16:55 |
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| rpierce99_ | XirXes: yeah I used that last night, pretty slick | 16:56 |
| XirXes | indeed | 16:56 |
| hyc | so last night my phone locked up after it had been asleep, and got woken up by an incoming call | 16:57 |
| hyc | I slid to ignore the call, that was fine | 16:57 |
| hyc | later I got notified of a voicemail | 16:57 |
| hyc | when I tried to dial voicemail, everything locked up | 16:57 |
| visof | rpierce99_, i feel diamond won't be good with android | 16:58 |
| RogueAgent | f22 | 16:58 |
| rpierce99_ | ok, your choice man | 16:58 |
| fishhead2567 | hyc, ive had that problem too. Did it eat android after that? my phone never came back... had to reinstall | 16:58 |
| hyc | fishhead2567: I was eventually able to shut it off. on next reboot, it came up but wouldn't dial. immediately got Call ended. | 16:59 |
| hyc | I rebooted again and was able to call voicemail. | 16:59 |
| hyc | so right now it seems like it's behaving again | 16:59 |
| fishhead2567 | hyc, interesting... mine runs like crap now i think something got fragged. after a reinstall it works but if i have it happen again then it gets screwed | 17:03 |
| fishhead2567 | hyc, i take it as part of using an experimental os i guess | 17:03 |
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| hyc | yeah I guess so. | 17:19 |
| hyc | also part of using an OS that's heavily dependent on microSD cards, which are .. quite unreliable. | 17:19 |
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| manekineko | anyone mess around with the new Android market? at least from here, it seems web install doesn't work on XDAndroid | 19:41 |
| manekineko | seems like maybe CM has the same problems | 19:41 |
| stinebd | fwiw my nexus one didn't get an install ping when i tried it either | 19:43 |
| manekineko | really? running stock? | 19:44 |
| stinebd | no | 19:46 |
| stinebd | unmodified aosp | 19:46 |
| manekineko | hmm, weird | 19:46 |
| manekineko | sure is a fussy system they've built, lots of people seem to be having difficulty getting it to work | 19:47 |
| manekineko | even a stock N1, jeez | 19:47 |
| stinebd | it's not stock, it's aosp | 19:47 |
| manekineko | isn't a stock N1 stock AOSP? | 19:47 |
| stinebd | not quite | 19:47 |
| manekineko | huh learn something new | 19:48 |
| stinebd | stock N1 builds are signed by google and have checkin capabilities (ie for updates) | 19:48 |
| stinebd | aosp builds are unsigned and have no google apps out of the box, and can't use google checkin | 19:49 |
| manekineko | oh yeah that makes sense | 19:49 |
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| stinebd | otherwise they're mostly the same, except i've got gingerbread | 19:49 |
| manekineko | looking around online, it does seem like there's a high number of people running modded phones unable to get this web install thing working | 19:49 |
| stinebd | incidentally building my own n1 image is probably the best thing i've done with it | 19:51 |
| manekineko | oh ya? | 19:51 |
| stinebd | it's great being able to gut out the stupid amazon mp3 and twitter apps they bundled in, and putting the mammoth apps that i install (and which are never updated) in the system image instead of internal storage | 19:52 |
| stinebd | cleared up about 20MB from storage | 19:52 |
| manekineko | yeah, that is pretty nice | 19:52 |
| stinebd | maybe i should move flashplayer in there | 19:53 |
| stinebd | it's freaking huge | 19:53 |
| manekineko | say, I was messing around with getting WEP to work | 19:55 |
| manekineko | and was using a different wpa_supplicant file | 19:55 |
| manekineko | and it managed to connect to WEP access points | 19:55 |
| manekineko | but for some reason DNS didn't work | 19:55 |
| manekineko | but I could open a command line and ping IP addresses | 19:56 |
| manekineko | and already open connections, like to Gmail, continued to work because they didn't need to do DNS lookup again | 19:56 |
| stinebd | when i was discussing the issue with pohket, i brought up possibly testing wpa_supp 0.6.x | 19:56 |
| stinebd | but i need to do one of two things before rolling a testing image with that configuration | 19:56 |
| manekineko | kinda puzzling to me that the wpa_supplicant could be working as far as full connectivity but failing to do DNS | 19:57 |
| manekineko | and only for WEP at that | 19:57 |
| stinebd | either get a rhod or get wl12xx driver on raph | 19:57 |
| manekineko | obviously WPA and open worked perfectly | 19:57 |
| stinebd | did you just drop it into an existing system image? | 19:58 |
| manekineko | yeah, mounted over it with build.prop | 19:58 |
| stinebd | probably just a config issue then | 19:58 |
| manekineko | yeah, quite weird | 19:59 |
| manekineko | I know that Android does DNS different than most Linux distros | 19:59 |
| stinebd | android does linux different than most linux distros | 19:59 |
| manekineko | but I set in the OpenDNS servers using setprop | 19:59 |
| manekineko | and getprop confirmed the DNS was set | 20:00 |
| manekineko | but somehow still no DNS | 20:00 |
| stinebd | misconfiguration in wpa_supp could cause the dhcp client to nuke those out | 20:00 |
| manekineko | is this WEP issue rhod only? | 20:01 |
| manekineko | seems hard to see how that could be the case | 20:01 |
| stinebd | possibly | 20:01 |
| manekineko | but arrrghhh said something to that effect | 20:01 |
| stinebd | bcm and ti use different wpa_supplicant drivers | 20:01 |
| stinebd | ti has its own custom thing and bcm uses wext | 20:01 |
| stinebd | which is why we can't bump ti to the newer wpa_supplicant without major modifications | 20:02 |
| manekineko | rhod uses a different chip than the rest? | 20:03 |
| rpierce99 | manekineko: The web install worked for me after the first one. I chose one online, logged into market and saw it wasn't downloading, told it to install, then went back to the web site and selected another one, 2nd one came in fine | 20:03 |
| stinebd | rhod uses bcm, everyone else has ti | 20:03 |
| stinebd | rpierce99: good call, maybe i should try it more than once too | 20:03 |
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| manekineko | hmm, lemme try that | 20:03 |
| stinebd | i'm often flabbergasted by my ability to give up after one iteration | 20:03 |
| stinebd | hmm and the description of my phone changed in the market website now | 20:04 |
| rpierce99 | mine just said "phone" | 20:04 |
| stinebd | mine didn't have the carrier before | 20:05 |
| rpierce99 | just tried it again, as soon as I clicked "install" the light went orange, woke it up and it was downloading | 20:08 |
| rpierce99 | i think the reason it didn't work the first time is the market app made me reverify my privacy policy, probably won't work until that | 20:08 |
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| surge919 | Would posting logs from kernel panics be useful to any devs or do you guys have enough of them? | 20:23 |
| manekineko | I was actually wondering the same thing | 20:24 |
| rpierce99 | #htc-linux is the dev channel, maybe ask there? | 20:24 |
| manekineko | hmm still no love from the Android Market for me here | 20:25 |
| manekineko | rebooted, tried it with wifi | 20:25 |
| manekineko | tried it without wifi | 20:25 |
| manekineko | tried it with a new app | 20:25 |
| manekineko | that thing sure is fussy | 20:25 |
| manekineko | signed out of GTalk | 20:25 |
| manekineko | signed into GTalk | 20:25 |
| rpierce99 | did you get another prompt for privacy policy like I did? | 20:25 |
| manekineko | why can't it just work like Chrome to Phone | 20:25 |
| manekineko | nope, didn't see anything like that | 20:26 |
| rpierce99 | hm | 20:26 |
| manekineko | I assume you're still on the old market too right? | 20:26 |
| manekineko | the one that comes with XDAndroid? | 20:26 |
| rpierce99 | hm, i'm going to with yes, yeah the stock one | 20:26 |
| rpierce99 | i haven't upgraded my market | 20:26 |
| rpierce99 | and i'm not running froyox | 20:26 |
| manekineko | yeah, I'm also on FRX04 | 20:26 |
| manekineko | the worst part of it is the way it shows Complete on the website and Installed | 20:27 |
| manekineko | like it's patting itself on the back for a job well done | 20:27 |
| manekineko | when it hasn't done anything | 20:27 |
| rpierce99 | did it even show up on the downloads tab? | 20:27 |
| stinebd | same on my n1 | 20:27 |
| stinebd | no response from the device at all | 20:27 |
| manekineko | downloads tab? you mean the notification bar up top of my TP2? | 20:28 |
| rpierce99 | no the tab on the far right of the market app | 20:28 |
| rpierce99 | my first one showed up over there, i had to manually start the download | 20:28 |
| rpierce99 | IIRC | 20:28 |
| manekineko | nope, nothing in my downloads tab | 20:29 |
| rpierce99 | hmmm | 20:29 |
| manekineko | I wonder how this thing is even setup to work, such that a remote site can begin installing on my phone without my permission | 20:30 |
| manekineko | from their Troubleshooting page talking about GTalk, seems like they must have built it into the GTalk service | 20:30 |
| manekineko | which seems like it actually does all sorts of things behind the scenes | 20:30 |
| rpierce99 | i don't know if it matters, but I do have the Chrome to Phone app installed | 20:30 |
| rpierce99 | and I'm using chrome | 20:30 |
| manekineko | yeah me too | 20:30 |
| manekineko | Chrome to Phone works great | 20:30 |
| surge919 | thanks.. I'll post my Q over there. | 20:30 |
| manekineko | hmm maybe I spoke to soon | 20:31 |
| manekineko | just tried it and that's actually not working either | 20:31 |
| manekineko | well, a clue to start investigating | 20:31 |
| rpierce99 | read somewhere that background data needs to be on | 20:32 |
| rpierce99 | in that same area there's an auto-sync checkbox | 20:32 |
| rpierce99 | those might have an affect | 20:32 |
| manekineko | I got a check mark there already | 20:33 |
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| rpierce99 | well you've got me, I blame google | 20:35 |
| rpierce99 | it's probably "beta" anyways | 20:36 |
| manekineko | damn, fixed Chrome to Phone by signing out of chat and then signing back in | 20:37 |
| manekineko | but Market is still not installing | 20:37 |
| manekineko | oh well, Chrome to Phone on the links is practically the same thing | 20:37 |
| manekineko | wow, I just got hit by the system server bug without having just booted my phone | 20:50 |
| manekineko | first time I ever saw that happen | 20:50 |
| manekineko | but like the ones from when you first boot, making a call cleared it up | 20:50 |
| rpierce99 | maybe get a dmesg for Wis so he can tell if the cause is the same? | 20:50 |
| manekineko | yeah, I'll do that | 20:51 |
| manekineko | think I should just post it up on the forum thread for arrrghhh to send? | 20:51 |
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| manekineko | don't have Wis' email or anything | 20:51 |
| manekineko | speak of the devil | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't do it | 20:52 |
| manekineko | yeah, that's what you would say | 20:52 |
| rpierce99 | it's arrrghhhs fault | 20:52 |
| manekineko | arrrghhh, want my dmesg? I was just hit by the sys server bug without having just booted | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2 said he has enough logs of that | 20:53 |
| rpierce99 | even without the boot? | 20:53 |
| rpierce99 | are we sure the cause is the same? | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know why it would be different. | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | not like there's more than one system_server process :P | 20:55 |
| surge919 | arrrghhh.... do you know if your dev connections are interested in logs showing kernel panics? | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure they would be | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | i would be :P | 20:55 |
| manekineko | regarding the system_server bug, I've never seen it hit not on the initial boot before | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | i had a boatload of issues today. | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, i have. | 20:56 |
| manekineko | oh really? ever notice what causes it? | 20:56 |
| manekineko | any patterns? | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2's "temp" fix won't fix that unfortunately. | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | no rhyme or reason. | 20:56 |
| manekineko | yeah, I figured | 20:56 |
| manekineko | his fix is pre-boot | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | but he said he has enough logs to fix the root cause | 20:57 |
| manekineko | any idea what this line in the dmesgs means? | 20:57 |
| manekineko | 02/03/2011 20:49:56 [ERROR] audpp: DMA missed | 20:57 |
| manekineko | also | 20:57 |
| manekineko | 02/03/2011 20:49:26 [ERROR] sdslot_switchvdd: Invalid VDD 17 specifie | 20:57 |
| manekineko | see a lot of those in my logs | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | not sure about the second one | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | first one is related to dsp i think. | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | invalid vdd... | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | your SD has VD | 20:58 |
| manekineko | does everyone get these? | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 20:58 |
| manekineko | damnit | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | i've honestly never seen the sdslot one | 20:58 |
| manekineko | knew I shouldn't have stuck it in that port | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | but i've seen the dma missed a lot | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 20:58 |
| surge919 | I have 3 logs showing different kernel panics.. what should I do with them.. post to some thread? | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, so what happend? | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | i assume it rebooted to winmo. | 20:59 |
| surge919 | yes.. all 3 times | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | yea, can't really survive a kernel panic | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | anything in particular you were doing? | 20:59 |
| surge919 | nope and the logs dont seem to show any related processes going on before the panic | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | well pastebin them | 21:01 |
| surge919 | i posted part of the first log in the thread I created on xda | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | hopefully wistilt2 will be on tonight. | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | i had a reboot to winmo today, probably related to a kernel panic. | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | don't be creatin threads :P | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | we probably should have a "wtf happened here" log thread. | 21:01 |
| manekineko | yeah, maybe stick in how to pull logs in the first post | 21:02 |
| manekineko | cut down a lot of questions | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea y'know that how-to adb | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | well, how to fix adb | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | thread i made.... i was thinking about fleshing it out into a complete how-to adb and how to pull logs using adb. | 21:03 |
| manekineko | yeah, with an invitation to post logs | 21:04 |
| manekineko | most of the time I run into a weird bug | 21:04 |
| manekineko | I just shrug and don't know if anyone would want the log | 21:04 |
| manekineko | at least until recently with your newest Wis test kernel thread | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | well it depends... problem is we have to determine if it's user error, or an issue with the system. | 21:05 |
| manekineko | yeah, would probably be a good idea to have a standardized format for log reports in the thread | 21:05 |
| manekineko | like a few set questions, what were you doing when it occurred, etc. | 21:05 |
| manekineko | what build you on | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | frx04 | 21:05 |
| surge919 | so where would you like the pastebins posted? here's the first one I had.. http://pastebin.com/TvJ4mCAG | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | newest wistilt2 kernel | 21:05 |
| manekineko | lol that was just an example | 21:05 |
| manekineko | of a set question | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | he said he got more power savings, but i haven't seen it yet. i wonder if there's something wrong. | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 21:06 |
| manekineko | really? I get awesome battery life on his kernel | 21:06 |
| manekineko | <1% an hour in sleep with sync | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | what about his newest? | 21:06 |
| manekineko | it's hard to tell if the latest improved it | 21:06 |
| manekineko | I mean | 21:06 |
| manekineko | I'm already getting <1% an hour | 21:06 |
| manekineko | how do you improve that | 21:06 |
| manekineko | say, if you do create a logging thread with how-to for the newbs it'd probably help to mention OSMonitor in the first post too | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | he was getting .25%/hr | 21:07 |
| manekineko | it's by far the easiest way to pull a dmesg | 21:07 |
| manekineko | no drivers or anything, just an Android app | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | yea i've seen it | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | i think if you go thru the pain of setting up adb, adb is way easier... | 21:08 |
| manekineko | ya, but for most people who just want to dump a log to help out and that's it, the initial hurdle of adb is high | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | there's so many odd bugs out there, kinda was driving me nuts today. we're so close, yet so far lol | 21:09 |
| manekineko | yup | 21:10 |
| manekineko | I kinda love my phone with XDAndroid and all the bugs more than it deserves | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | i was noticing that sleep bug tho i think. that might be what's killing my android. | 21:10 |
| manekineko | I think it's the feeling of hope it gives me | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | my battery. der. | 21:10 |
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| manekineko | I never know what new stuff I'll get each time I open up the forums | 21:10 |
| manekineko | haha | 21:10 |
| manekineko | it's like XMas everyday | 21:10 |
| manekineko | what sleep bug are you referring to? | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | obviously the phone will wake sometimes in sleep, but i was noticing the orange led was flipping on every few seconds... | 21:10 |
| manekineko | yeah, I just saw that one | 21:10 |
| manekineko | like an hour ago | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | where it's "sleeping" but keeps getting woken | 21:11 |
| manekineko | rebooted the phone to make it go away | 21:11 |
| manekineko | I opened up a task manager | 21:11 |
| manekineko | but couldn't find the bad guy | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | i wanted to pull a logcat, when i realized the phone was dead. | 21:11 |
| rpierce99 | adb sort of sets up a barrier to entry that is probably a good thing, those who can use adb probably won't have as many PEBPAC errors | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, in theory | 21:11 |
| manekineko | haha | 21:11 |
| manekineko | I wonder if native Android phones have this many problems with sleep and apps | 21:12 |
| manekineko | I kinda would guess they do | 21:12 |
| manekineko | seems like a rogue app can just prevent sleep if it wants to | 21:12 |
| manekineko | it'd be a bit surprising if this is a problem in XDAndroid | 21:12 |
| rpierce99 | arrrghhh: have you read some of tiads posts today | 21:12 |
| manekineko | lol, time for the daily hate? | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea i'm sure that's why so many complain about bad battery life with native android devices. | 21:13 |
| rpierce99 | seems like he is setting himself up to take credit for WisTilts battery kernel | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, well i had to drive to breckenridge today... so no. | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | you've GOT to be kidding me. | 21:13 |
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| arrrghhh | i told him to f-ing leave it alone. he posted some crap about how he was narrowing it down by trying old builds lol | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | to the forums! | 21:13 |
| manekineko | haha | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | the fora? | 21:13 |
| manekineko | the arrrghhh signal is shining in the clouds | 21:14 |
| manekineko | say, I saw that WisTilt was considering making changes to the way the LED works in XDAndroid | 21:14 |
| rpierce99 | he was saying earlier this morning that he "is working with WisTitl2 on the system_server bug" - i'll give him that one, he tried, sort of. But now he is claiming <1% drain because of some app he installed that kills data during sleep | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | omfg | 21:15 |
| stinebd | lol, kills data during sleep | 21:15 |
| stinebd | brilliant | 21:15 |
| manekineko | I wanted to make the suggestion, that it seems like it should be possible to improve the way XDAndroid handles the notification LED generally | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, yea he was asking about that. | 21:15 |
| stinebd | might as well just use winmo then | 21:15 |
| manekineko | right now we only use two states, green and orange | 21:15 |
| rpierce99 | yeah someone was like "um, i'd like to get my email when it is sleeping, thanks" | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, we can do whatever we want with the led. | 21:15 |
| manekineko | but we actually have 3 states to work with | 21:15 |
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| manekineko | green, orange, and off | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, don't forget red | 21:15 |
| manekineko | seems like we could use green for normal/awake | 21:15 |
| manekineko | flashing green for sleep like WisTilt suggested | 21:15 |
| manekineko | and use orange for real notifications | 21:16 |
| manekineko | wow, didn't even know it can do red | 21:16 |
| manekineko | I don't remember ever seeing that in WinMo | 21:16 |
| rpierce99 | can we make it "breathe" my wife hated that on my old Fuze | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | orange is a combo of green and yellow lol | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | er | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | green and red | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | maybe it's yellow? | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | i just confused myself. | 21:16 |
| manekineko | it seems like it can only help battery life to reduce the amount that the led is on while it's sleeping | 21:16 |
| manekineko | and it'd be sweet to have led notifications at least minimally in android for actual notifications | 21:17 |
| stinebd | green and red? jolly chap, you've invented a new color! gred | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:17 |
| rpierce99 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11109447&postcount=1425 | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, the led draws so little power, it's insignificant. | 21:17 |
| stinebd | i contend we could get another .01% per hour | 21:18 |
| manekineko | that's what people say, but every little bit helps, and besides, my keychain led does drain its battery eventually | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2 is goin a little crazy with the battery fixes. | 21:18 |
| manekineko | heh when WisTilt is already at what .25% an hour | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | he said PM was all f-ed up tho. | 21:18 |
| manekineko | .01% is a good improvement | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, well of course but compared to the panel? or the processor? | 21:18 |
| surge919 | do you think posting the pastebin links to the "Tracking Kernel Panics" thread on XDA would be helpful or do the devs prefer PPCGeeks? | 21:18 |
| manekineko | but all that's besides the point, I don't care that much about the battery | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, a lot of devs stay way from the forums tbh | 21:19 |
| manekineko | I just think it'd be nice to take advantage of more colors in the leds to show actual notifications | 21:19 |
| manekineko | while simultaneously still showing all the info we're showing now about sleep | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | but wistilt2 was testing with me, and there were 3 states | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | 3rd one has to be yellow. | 21:20 |
| surge919 | how do you suggest getting them the logs? | 21:21 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, post them, i will relay them. | 21:21 |
| arrrghhh | it's only really if i can find someone who has the time. | 21:21 |
| surge919 | here? | 21:22 |
| arrrghhh | wistilt2 has been squashin bugs lately, so he seems keen to get logs. | 21:22 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, so you were using that kernel from 2/2? | 21:24 |
| surge919 | KERNEL PANIC - FRX04 - WE... ON THE 3RD OF FEB 2011 http://pastebin.com/ccKsETYk | 21:24 |
| surge919 | yes | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | ha | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | i think that is the divide by 0 bug he was talkin about | 21:25 |
| manekineko | hmm just had a kernel panic myself | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | some code in the kernel is trying to create a black hole basically | 21:25 |
| manekineko | and it was directly after that weird fake-SoD bug where the phone takes like 15 seconds to wake | 21:26 |
| rpierce99 | it says it's a null pointer dereference though | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, were you using wlan? | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | i see a ton of crap of what i think is related to it, not sure. | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | from line 261 on basically | 21:27 |
| arrrghhh | then it looks like it went to sleep, and proceded to blow up lol | 21:27 |
| arrrghhh | proceeded | 21:27 |
| surge919 | KERNEL PANIC - FRX04 - WE... ON THE 3RD OF FEB 2011 --- http://pastebin.com/UfLvnbdD | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, answer mah damned questions | 21:28 |
| surge919 | i know with the 2nd and 3rd i had wifi on, but the 1st one happened while it was off.. I'll turn it off for now and see if its more stable | 21:29 |
| surge919 | those are the only 3 I have as of now | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, i'm not saying wifi is the problem | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | it could be | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | i just saw a lot of crap related to it in your log | 21:32 |
| stinebd | likely unrelated | 21:33 |
| stinebd | not that i know anything about it, but i just like to contradict arrrghhh | 21:33 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 21:33 |
| arrrghhh | it's pretty easy for you to blow holes in my theories stinebd | 21:33 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, what phone do you hvae? | 21:34 |
| arrrghhh | *have | 21:34 |
| surge919 | rhod400 | 21:35 |
| surge919 | im on htc-linux as well. i can get over there if you;d like? | 21:35 |
| arrrghhh | ha same as me | 21:37 |
| arrrghhh | you can talk over there, nbd | 21:37 |
| manekineko | arrrghhh, here's the dmesg for the crash I just had: http://pastebin.com/geJYwbBv | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | surge919, for one in that post you made | 21:40 |
| manekineko | also prior to the crash | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | don't just paste it into the page like that. | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | at the very least use [code] braces | 21:40 |
| manekineko | how do you want it? | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, this is to surge919 sorry | 21:40 |
| stinebd | whoa | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, his thread just has his dmesg pasted into it. | 21:41 |
| manekineko | also, prior to my crash, I had the faux-sleep of death long wake | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, green led went orange | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | bl came on | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | but no panel | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | and it froze like that? | 21:41 |
| manekineko | bl wasn't fully on I think | 21:41 |
| manekineko | not like when the picture is about to show | 21:41 |
| manekineko | I pressed the button to power on | 21:42 |
| manekineko | no response | 21:42 |
| manekineko | flipped open keyboard | 21:42 |
| manekineko | keyboard lights turned on | 21:42 |
| manekineko | messed around pressing all the buttons | 21:42 |
| manekineko | and like 15 seconds later it comes on as if nothing was wrong | 21:42 |
| manekineko | I think it might be visible in the logs actually | 21:42 |
| manekineko | as: | 21:42 |
| manekineko | msmfb_pan_display timeout waiting for frame start, 2 1 | 21:42 |
| manekineko | msmfb_pan_display timeout rerequest vsync | 21:42 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 21:42 |
| arrrghhh | are you in htc-linux? | 21:43 |
| manekineko | FRX04 | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | the room | 21:43 |
| manekineko | latest WisTilt2 | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | #htc-linux | 21:43 |
| manekineko | oh, heh not right now | 21:43 |
| manekineko | you want me to go there? | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | join it | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | mention this to wistilt2 | 21:43 |
| arrrghhh | he's in thar now | 21:43 |
| surge919 | I've edited the post.. I can list the kernel and pastebins there.. or is that overkill? | 21:47 |
| arrrghhh | eh i'd do one or the other | 21:47 |
| arrrghhh | post links to the pastebins | 21:47 |
| arrrghhh | or attach the logs | 21:48 |
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| Maxi_ | hey guys i have 1 small question. I've been reading on the forum and i've heard of some android overclocked version? What is overclocked, is it better than "non-overclocked?" | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | more battery drain | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | potentially better performance | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | potentially greater instability | 22:23 |
| Maxi_ | so which one do you perfer | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | try both | 22:24 |
| Maxi_ | thanks alot, arrghh, you always help me out. I'll tryout both and see. | 22:25 |
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| F22 | hail arrrghhh, inventor of gred! :P | 22:30 |
| F22 | orange is red+yellow btw in the basic color wheel. i suppose on computer monitors, it would be red+green, with much more red then green. | 22:32 |
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| arrrghhh | bastage | 22:39 |
| RogueAgent | ooo | 22:41 |
| RogueAgent | f22 | 22:41 |
| F22 | rogueagent: what's up? | 22:41 |
| RogueAgent | Thanks for the fixed rootfs | 22:41 |
| F22 | you're most welcome | 22:41 |
| RogueAgent | Now I just wait for the callbutton is home one :P | 22:41 |
| F22 | lol, i thought you were going to try to do it yourself. | 22:42 |
| RogueAgent | I failed :( | 22:42 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 22:42 |
| manekineko | I can't wait until the power button is home one :P | 22:43 |
| manekineko | everyone wants something different haha | 22:43 |
| RogueAgent | that is a terrible idea | 22:43 |
| manekineko | lol | 22:43 |
| manekineko | I like it | 22:43 |
| manekineko | once F22 adds an option for that, my only gripe is that envelope isn't @ haha | 22:44 |
| RogueAgent | I would know I used it, and it was terrible, end key locks but won't unlovk/ and power key unlcoks but locks | 22:44 |
| RogueAgent | that is silly | 22:44 |
| RogueAgent | but won't lock* | 22:44 |
| manekineko | what do people need a dedicated Ctrl key for, Terminal accepts @ as Ctrl, and ConnectBot accepts Search :P | 22:44 |
| manekineko | ya, so power on = top, power off/endcall = end call | 22:45 |
| manekineko | not too weird to me | 22:45 |
| rpierce99 | that's weird | 22:45 |
| F22 | there was maybe a month while the power button was home in like september. some people got attached to it. not my cup of tea really, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if they're wrong. :P | 22:45 |
| rpierce99 | i don't know what is so wrong with power button = on/off, end = home (aka end everything) | 22:45 |
| manekineko | just that there's no end call button then | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:45 |
| rpierce99 | that is the only config that doesn't make me like "wha why huh" | 22:46 |
| RogueAgent | its from using the phone too much in winmo rpierce | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | every option has a downfall | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | the end call button is still end call | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | and no one layout will make everyone happy | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | i don't have any problem ending call | 22:46 |
| RogueAgent | rpierce99: you have no recent apps menu | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | who cares | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | lol | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | RogueAgent, don't care | 22:46 |
| manekineko | recent apps menu is key!! haha | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 22:46 |
| F22 | especially with camera soon to be working, not enough buttons. | 22:46 |
| manekineko | might as well have an iPhone if you can't multitask easily | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | would if i could | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | there isn't a hard key for camera in winmo | 22:46 |
| rpierce99 | haha | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | why does android need one | 22:46 |
| F22 | android has a keycode for camera and a keycode for focus. | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, hit home, open task. how's that hard. | 22:47 |
| manekineko | hit home, hit apps button, scroll scroll scroll pick your app | 22:47 |
| manekineko | copy some text | 22:47 |
| manekineko | hit home, hit apps button, scroll scroll scroll | 22:47 |
| manekineko | paste some text | 22:47 |
| rpierce99 | who uses copy/paste haha | 22:48 |
| manekineko | lol what is this #Applelovers? | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, apps are on my desktop | 22:48 |
| manekineko | hating on multitasking and copy paste | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | hit home, hit app | 22:48 |
| manekineko | you only have at most 16 apps? | 22:48 |
| rpierce99 | /posted from my macbookpro | 22:48 |
| manekineko | haha | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | i use like 3 apps lol | 22:48 |
| manekineko | lol | 22:48 |
| manekineko | I swear.... | 22:48 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'm just used to it | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | there aren't enough buttons | 22:49 |
| rpierce99 | manekineko: i have 3 home screens | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | where's my mogul when i need it | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | that thing had a plethora of buttons | 22:49 |
| manekineko | yeah one more button would make all the difference | 22:49 |
| arrrghhh | i had them all mapped too, it was awesome. | 22:49 |
| F22 | lol, i'm a huge multi-tasker. i'm always running multiple apps. | 22:49 |
| manekineko | rpierce99: well, having more home screens only saves you hitting the app button, so that's one press | 22:49 |
| manekineko | still gotta scroll to get to your app | 22:49 |
| manekineko | long-press home, one button and you're multitasking! | 22:50 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i know I don't even use the other 2 | 22:50 |
| rpierce99 | haha | 22:50 |
| rpierce99 | maybe it helps that I have never even seen the task switcher | 22:50 |
| manekineko | it's not much to look at, just the apps you've been using recently | 22:50 |
| F22 | it's not really a task switcher per say. those apps may or may not be closed. it depends on whether or not android needs the memory for something else or not. but the state of the app is saved so it often feels like you never closed it. | 22:51 |
| rpierce99 | yeah I just can't imagine ever really needing more than one app | 22:51 |
| rpierce99 | i'm a guy, i can only do one thing at a time | 22:52 |
| rpierce99 | or so my wife says | 22:52 |
| F22 | i'm a guy and like having gadgets do my multi-tasking for me so i don't have to. women are expensive to maintain... :P | 22:54 |
| rpierce99 | that's why I have a company TP2 instead of a real phone :) | 22:55 |
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| RogueAgent | hmm | 23:09 |
| RogueAgent | Does anyone know where i can download the android market fix? | 23:09 |
| stinebd | intriguing | 23:33 |
| stinebd | mediascanner is treating everything in /system/media as a directory | 23:33 |
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| sambskn | I just tried to install xdandroid on my cdma touch diamond, however, when I use Haret, a progress bar shows up saying booting linux (or something like that) and when the bar finishes, my device reboots. I'm running a custom rom, that shows ascreen at boot to chose btween windows and android, but when i tap android, the progress bar thing happens again. What can I do? | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | sambskn, what did you download | 23:47 |
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| mPesky | hello, think this might be a wrong forum but can someone please tell me if nexus 1 @ 250 is a good deal(used) | 23:56 |
| sambskn | I downloaded from the main forum thread | 23:57 |
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| sambskn | then just copied to root | 23:57 |
| sambskn | went to file manager | 23:57 |
| sambskn | ran haret.exe | 23:58 |
| mPesky | check your strtup.txt | 23:58 |
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