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| arrrghhh | stinebd, wladston's keymap i think makes a lot of freakin sense on the rhod. either that or i'm just tired. HOME=END, END CALL=POWER, SEARCH=MUTE. search will have to be changed later, obviously :P | 01:14 |
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| arrrghhh | ah well. i'll test it out in the morning, see how it goes. | 01:25 |
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| wladston | nite for you guys ... | 02:25 |
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| Pewpew-Kim | anyone know where I can get the Google Talk app? | 02:45 |
| Pewpew-Kim | it's not in the Market | 02:45 |
| xdandroid | New kernel available (20101029_084132) at http://zimages.googlecode.com/files/htc-msm-linux-20101029_084132-package.tar.bz2 | 02:52 |
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| xdandroid | New XDAndroid Source Tree bug 44 filed... | 04:28 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=44 major, Normal, ---, developers, NEW, Failure to boot | 04:28 |
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| Skyfox | hi | 06:31 |
| Skyfox | at the boot it always stops with an message "allocated dma buffer at..." and then nothing more happens | 06:32 |
| Skyfox | can anyone helps me, plz | 06:32 |
| Skyfox | with usb connected it sometimes boots | 06:33 |
| Skyfox | i have an htc topaz | 06:33 |
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| arrrghhh | mr freak | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | what phone do you have? | 11:57 |
| JesusFreak316 | Me? Fuze. | 11:59 |
| JesusFreak316 | RAPH110 | 11:59 |
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| arrrghhh | crap. | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | ah well. | 12:03 |
| hamagc | good morning guys | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | hammy's here tho. hamagc did you ever turn anything up from your logs? | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | in respect to broken data. | 12:03 |
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| hamagc | for what? haven't read logs yet | 12:04 |
| hamagc | data? | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | ok let me take a step back, :P | 12:04 |
| hamagc | lol | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | so data cxn is borked after 10/11 on raph800 | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | and i think 500 too | 12:04 |
| JesusFreak316 | arrrghhh: Why? CDMA issues. Again. :) | 12:04 |
| hamagc | correct | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | seems that giant usb commit borked something for you guys | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | did you ever find anything in logcat, dmesg, what-have-you? | 12:05 |
| hamagc | ya let em find the error again | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | you're one of the few that comes in here with an 800 to troubleshoot, on the forums all i can do is tell people we're trying to look at it. | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | but without an 800 myself, can't really do much. | 12:05 |
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| hamagc | E/pppd ( 1795): Failed to open /dev/smd1: m | 12:07 |
| hamagc | thats what i get | 12:07 |
| hamagc | that is the data breaking i believe | 12:07 |
| hamagc | smd1 is our modem | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | hmmm | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | yea i think i remember you posting that error. | 12:08 |
| hamagc | and i have search and searched and can find little to nothing on why | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | yea... | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | phh: we may need some of your magic. | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | i think acl broke it with the usb commit, but it's just odd that it _only_ broke the 800&500. | 12:09 |
| phh | hamagc: you enabled diag ? | 12:09 |
| phh | usb diag | 12:09 |
| hamagc | no, should i? | 12:09 |
| phh | no | 12:09 |
| hamagc | crap, brb | 12:10 |
| phh | arrrghhh: it only broke cdma ? :p | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | phh: what's worse is it only seems to be RAPH CDMA devices... | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | my rhod400 on sprint is just fine :P | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | haven't heard from any DIAM cdma guys. i don't think there's any of those phones left haha | 12:11 |
| phh | iirc it's normal | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | regressions? oh heck yea. lol. | 12:12 |
| phh | the part that rhod works :p | 12:12 |
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| Aks | morning | 12:16 |
| arrrghhh | ah. yea, despite the phones having nearly identical internals, they seem to act very differently. stupid htc. | 12:16 |
| hamagc | stupid htc... | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | indeed. | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | hamagc: did you see the led light tests i was doin with wistilt? | 12:20 |
| hamagc | no? | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | evidently those are all mapped to different bitmasks between the rhod400&300. | 12:20 |
| hamagc | lol thats retarded | 12:20 |
| arrrghhh | it's like HTC knew this would happen, and wanted to make it really difficult for devs to reverse engineer... | 12:21 |
| hamagc | so different carriers with the same phones have all different bitmasks, thats awesome lol | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see any other reason, because surely it just makes their docs and devs confused as well. | 12:21 |
| Aks | they wud hv a hard time keeping up with all the diff builds :P | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | i guess they have a team on each device? i don't know, it really doesn't make sense to me. | 12:21 |
| hamagc | prob. each device has a little bit different technology for the carriers so each device prob. has it's own dev team to work on them | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | yup. | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | i know sprint & vzw always puts devices thru the ringer | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | which is why sprint used to be so far behind. not sure what changed, but in just the last year they've gotten a lot of new devices. | 12:23 |
| hamagc | ok so if i disable and renable data logcat shows E/pppd ( 1795): Failed to open /dev/smd1: m | 12:24 |
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| arrrghhh | well that's your problem right there. | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | :P i wonder why it can't open it... | 12:25 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if it'll help, but have you compared logcat with the 10.11 kernel? | 12:26 |
| arrrghhh | to get a baseline... | 12:26 |
| phh | hamagc: /dev/smd1 doesn't exist I guess ? | 12:26 |
| hamagc | lets take a look | 12:26 |
| arrrghhh | shouldn't that get created on boot phh ? | 12:26 |
| phh | arrrghhh: depends. | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 12:27 |
| * arrrghhh needs to learn more about embedded linux. | 12:27 | |
| hamagc | is that supposed to be root? i have no /dev/smd1 | 12:27 |
| hamagc | o jave /dev/snd | 12:27 |
| phh | snd ?? lolwat ? | 12:27 |
| hamagc | i have* | 12:27 |
| hamagc | ya /dev/snd | 12:27 |
| phh | ah yeah we enabled alsa | 12:28 |
| phh | hamagc: other /dev/smdX ? | 12:28 |
| arrrghhh | lol probably for ubuntu eh. | 12:28 |
| hamagc | no /dev/smd* | 12:29 |
| phh | hamagc: you're sure you're on your phone ? :p | 12:29 |
| hamagc | i have /sys/dev but no /sys/dev/smd* | 12:29 |
| hamagc | lol positive, i'm looking via root explorer on the phone itself | 12:29 |
| JesusFreak316 | *As Adam from Mythbusters* Well there's your problem. :P | 12:29 |
| phh | hamagc: who said /sys/dev/smd ? | 12:29 |
| phh | I said /dev/smd | 12:29 |
| hamagc | i know, just browsing around | 12:29 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | don't touch that! | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | any device should be listed in /dev/ | 12:30 |
| phh | it will explode ! | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | anything interesting in dmesg? | 12:30 |
| hamagc | i have /dev/ adsp. block, cpuctl, graphics, input, log, oncrpc, pts, snd, and socket | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps it's not even detecting the modem on boot | 12:30 |
| phh | hamagc: I'm not talking about folders | 12:32 |
| phh | but files | 12:32 |
| phh | arrrghhh: you can't boot without modem -_-' | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | phh: so if it doesn't detect a modem the boot process is halted...? | 12:32 |
| phh | arrrghhh: mostly | 12:33 |
| hamagc | [1;35m/dev/smd0[0m [1;35m/dev/smd1[0m [1;35m/dev/smd27[0m [1;35m/dev | 12:33 |
| phh | that's better | 12:33 |
| phh | so you've got smd1 | 12:33 |
| phh | wtf. | 12:33 |
| hamagc | last one is /dev/smd7 | 12:34 |
| phh | hamagc: if you do cat /dev/smd1 | 12:34 |
| phh | what happens ? | 12:34 |
| phh | no such device ? | 12:34 |
| hamagc | no such device | 12:34 |
| phh | hum I can't push anything | 12:35 |
| hamagc | hmm | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | damnit i hate adb in windows... | 12:37 |
| hamagc | lol why? | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | it seems to break routinely | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | and i have to keep fiddling with the drivers | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | once i got it setup on my linux box, it's always worked. | 12:39 |
| hamagc | i think i've only had to reload drivers once on my xp laptop | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | windows... keeps popping up these new hardware prompts, and it seems like i keep having to start over with it... | 12:39 |
| JesusFreak316 | it's always worked for both for me. Windows and virtualbox Ubuntu. | 12:39 |
| arrrghhh | keeps telling me no devices. | 12:41 |
| arrrghhh | and i have the stupid 3 devices in device manager again... | 12:41 |
| arrrghhh | bah. | 12:41 |
| arrrghhh | maybe i have to do it for each build? i test a lot of stuff :P | 12:41 |
| hamagc | that could be | 12:41 |
| arrrghhh | crap, it's not accepting the drivers. | 12:41 |
| phh | hamagc: I sent the fix to acl | 12:42 |
| phh | he should push it tonight | 12:42 |
| hamagc | awesome, thanks phh! i'll test tonight once it gets commited | 12:42 |
| arrrghhh | phh: you found the issue? | 12:42 |
| hamagc | someone for got a line didn't they? lol | 12:42 |
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| phh | arrrghhh: it's a known issue | 12:43 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 12:43 |
| phh | arrrghhh: it's a known issue that usb diag enabled kills cdma data. | 12:43 |
| arrrghhh | oh... i see. | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | silly acl. | 12:44 |
| arrrghhh | so i'm guessing those were disabled for RHOD CDMA devices but not RAPH eh? | 12:44 |
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| emwe | stinebd: if i update the gapps again, build a new image, will that screw my "old" data.img again? | 13:48 |
| stinebd | emwe: no but dont bother. gapps hasn't changed at all | 13:52 |
| stinebd | the only difference is they removed a file that shouldn't have been in the 20101020.1 package | 13:52 |
| emwe | i see | 13:52 |
| stinebd | (which we didn't install to system anyway) | 13:52 |
| emwe | stinebd: btw, did you ever stumble upon <bool name="config_sf_slowBlur">true</bool>? | 13:53 |
| emwe | feels snappier when the "useless" blur is not performed. | 13:53 |
| emwe | e.g. on shutdown dialog | 13:53 |
| stinebd | it's in our tree already | 13:54 |
| stinebd | i stole it from cm dream-sapphire a while back | 13:55 |
| emwe | enabled? | 13:55 |
| emwe | looking... | 13:55 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: probably the last thing you want to think about, but what do you think about what i said last night in relation to the button mapping? | 13:55 |
| stinebd | it should be there | 13:56 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: don't care | 13:56 |
| stinebd | i'll take patches but i refuse to maintain it | 13:56 |
| stinebd | any bugs are yours then :P | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno at first i thought yea, we should try to match winmo. | 13:56 |
| stinebd | or if you know git i can add you to the repo access list | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | but that doesn't make sense, we're running android.... | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | i know a little... not sure if you want to give me that much powa... :P | 13:57 |
| stinebd | my main concern with the changes was to match what the button labels say | 13:57 |
| stinebd | that's not possible on rhod though | 13:57 |
| arrrghhh | nope. | 13:57 |
| arrrghhh | and that brazillian guy i was talking to i thought had a good idea for the keymap. | 13:57 |
| stinebd | but it works real nice on raph | 13:57 |
| stinebd | you elitists with your wvga screen, who's great now?! | 13:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:58 |
| arrrghhh | i know | 13:58 |
| arrrghhh | seems the newer the phone, the less buttons... | 13:58 |
| stinebd | emwe: hmm maybe it got lost in the froyo merge | 13:59 |
| stinebd | i swear to god i put that in there | 13:59 |
| emwe | stinebd: one sec. i swear something is broken here again in respect to repo sync | 14:00 |
| emwe | this slowly drives me nuts. | 14:00 |
| emwe | just realized i have been on no branch again | 14:00 |
| emwe | and my froyo branch is outdated and git diff m/froyo showed diff... | 14:00 |
| emwe | device/xdandroid/: leaving froyo; does not track upstream | 14:01 |
| emwe | WTF?! | 14:01 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: i know there's no way to make everyone happy. but the more i think about it, we should be trying to match native android devices, not whatever the buttons say. sure it'd be great to match up the buttons but that's just not feasible. | 14:01 |
| stinebd | well whatever | 14:01 |
| stinebd | just drop some patches in my inbox | 14:02 |
| stinebd | git formatted | 14:02 |
| stinebd | and don't touch the raph keylayouts, those are my baby | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:02 |
| stinebd | no matter how much people cry about dpad-center | 14:02 |
| arrrghhh | i feel like i should confer with the users. then i remember what a bad idea that is. | 14:02 |
| Aks | no incoming calls at all | 14:03 |
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| emwe | stinebd: just to be sure, i should be on "froyo" branch everywhere where it is present, right? | 14:05 |
| stinebd | emwe: with repo you should be on no branch (disconnected head) unless you're doing active development | 14:10 |
| arrrghhh | Aks: no need. | 14:10 |
| stinebd | emwe: it's weird i know, but you get used to it | 14:10 |
| stinebd | or you have a nervous breakdown | 14:10 |
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| emwe | stinebd: hm. i just did a git pull gitorious froyo in device/xdandroid and it pulled a lot of stuff | 14:11 |
| emwe | ei that drives me nuts, really | 14:11 |
| emwe | so repo sync resets everything to "detached" as it should be yes? | 14:11 |
| stinebd | yeah | 14:11 |
| emwe | and whenever i modify something it skips that part of the tree, yes? | 14:12 |
| stinebd | no | 14:12 |
| stinebd | it will pull in the local clone (in .repo) and try to sync with the working copy, then complain to you | 14:13 |
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| stinebd | or if you've already committed your changes it'll probably discard them | 14:13 |
| emwe | i think i don't wan't to understand that. | 14:13 |
| stinebd | discard them in the process of moving back to the detached head | 14:14 |
| stinebd | they'd still be there in your branch | 14:14 |
| emwe | if i started a branch that is, right? | 14:14 |
| stinebd | heh, yeah | 14:14 |
| emwe | if not, screwed? | 14:14 |
| stinebd | right | 14:14 |
| stinebd | they do it like this for gerrit | 14:15 |
| stinebd | the code review pulls in a lot of code from decentralized sources so to keep a stable internal build tree they have to use this messy system | 14:16 |
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| arrrghhh | XirXes: so to me, the only button changes that make sense are END CALL = HOME and POWER = END CALL/POWER | 14:16 |
| emwe | stinebd: thx. i am sure i will get back to you about that stuff once in a while again and again. | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | i think win key = menu makes sense to me... although the start call key is pretty useless other than answering call.s | 14:17 |
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| XirXes | well on most of the xdandroid supported phones the win key is actually a home key | 14:17 |
| XirXes | thats why i ask | 14:18 |
| stinebd | how many of our devices have a win key? | 14:18 |
| arrrghhh | you're talking RHOD specifically | 14:18 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: i thought all rhods did, but evidently the 210 doesn't. | 14:18 |
| arrrghhh | i think all but the 210 have a winkey. | 14:18 |
| stinebd | that's what i thought, the one obscure euro rhod | 14:18 |
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| XirXes | thats what i mean. the rhod is special | 14:18 |
| arrrghhh | that brazillian said his endkey has a home icon on it lol. | 14:19 |
| XirXes | the rest have a home key | 14:19 |
| XirXes | the unlocked have a home icon next to the end key | 14:19 |
| stinebd | wtf does win do on those rhods anyway? | 14:19 |
| XirXes | opens start | 14:19 |
| stinebd | start menu? | 14:19 |
| stinebd | <3 windows | 14:19 |
| XirXes | yeah | 14:19 |
| XirXes | lol | 14:19 |
| stinebd | in case that big button on the corner of the screen isn't accessible enough i guess | 14:20 |
| XirXes | im using on my phone call=menu home/win=home back=back end=search | 14:20 |
| stinebd | for general use i think end would be better as end | 14:21 |
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| stinebd | you never know how many people use it to hang up until you take it away from them and get bombarded with hate mail | 14:21 |
| XirXes | i havent used my phone as a phone since september and i dont remember if android has on screen call functions | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd: yea i know what you mean... damnit. | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes: it doesn't really. | 14:22 |
| stinebd | you have to enter the menu to hang up | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | you have to hit menu to get any options, it's just a blank screen. | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | basically. | 14:22 |
| XirXes | even on phones without those keys like the nexus? | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | there's no good option... perhaps we need 2 rootfs' lol | 14:22 |
| stinebd | on the nexus it uses the touch-friendly interface (it's a config option at build time) | 14:23 |
| stinebd | i believe we can't do that because it doesn't fit correctly on vga | 14:23 |
| XirXes | damn | 14:23 |
| stinebd | i might look at it though | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | oh so the dial screen looks different for n1? | 14:23 |
| XirXes | that could deff be a good solution | 14:23 |
| arrrghhh | or in-call screen rather. | 14:23 |
| stinebd | we've already forked that repository so it's no big deal to modify the touch interface if needed | 14:23 |
| stinebd | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Google-Nexus-One-Google-Voice-calling-screen.png&imgrefurl=http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/nexus-one-tour-google-voice-the-superphones-killer-app-2010017/&usg=__v-JXT7PcotpbLVV0geFHlx49vEE=&h=522&w=267&sz=116&hl=en&start=0&sig2=xz2xAev5TZl1BY6AKT0xLA&zoom=1&tbnid=6JkdcW | 14:24 |
| stinebd | -4tC0vfM:&tbnh=159&tbnw=90&ei=SBHLTPWaEsH_lgek1aCWAQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnexus%2Bone%2Bin%2Bcall%2Bscreen%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1221%26bih%3D580%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=398&vpy=38&dur=80&hovh=314&hovw=160&tx=85&ty=144&oei=SBHLTPWaEsH_lgek1aCWAQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0 | 14:24 |
| stinebd | ack | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | yea maybe we should just hold off on keymap changes. | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | holy crap | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:24 |
| stinebd | http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Google-Nexus-One-Google-Voice-calling-screen.png | 14:24 |
| stinebd | that one | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | ah, that would be cool. | 14:24 |
| XirXes | agreed just trying to plant the idea | 14:24 |
| stinebd | note, it doesn't come with the picture of the douche by default | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | but yea, i think keymap changes should wait. we may get to use the zoombar for several buttons, and search i think would make the most sense there. | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | awwww. | 14:25 |
| XirXes | lol | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | but! | 14:25 |
| stinebd | well we *did* fork the repository. anything is possible | 14:25 |
| XirXes | i would rather use the zoom bar for zooming. plus only the topaz and rhod have those | 14:26 |
| arrrghhh | yea it would only apply to those devices. | 14:26 |
| XirXes | ill just keep modifying rootfs when i get it | 14:26 |
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| arrrghhh | but it sounds like we may be able to break the zoombar into several button 'zones'. | 14:26 |
| stinebd | well the idea with the zoom bar was to have the +/- zones be buttons and the stuff in between be a zoom area | 14:26 |
| XirXes | hmm | 14:26 |
| arrrghhh | yea. what mr. stine said ;) | 14:27 |
| stinebd | most likely there's no way to have it act like it does on winmo anyway | 14:27 |
| XirXes | that sounds pretty good actually | 14:27 |
| stinebd | basically what you've got with the zoom bar is a little strip of touch screen that doesn't display anything and can be used like nexus one's keys | 14:28 |
| XirXes | i figured that. i would really only care about it in the browser. i keep trying to use it and end up scrolling | 14:28 |
| XirXes | its pretty narrow tho... | 14:28 |
| stinebd | use your stylus then :P | 14:29 |
| XirXes | i keep thinking my phone has a message lol | 14:30 |
| stinebd | emwe: config_sf_slowBlur=true | 14:38 |
| stinebd | just for you | 14:38 |
| stinebd | sync up and enjoy the meat | 14:38 |
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| stinebd | ugh | 14:44 |
| stinebd | one little config change and the whole damn packages tree has to be rebuilt? | 14:45 |
| wladston | hey dudes | 14:48 |
| wladston | stinebd: I got some questions for you from yesterday, as always, feel free to ignore them :) | 14:48 |
| wladston | stinebd: why did you made your own repo manifest ? | 14:48 |
| stinebd | because i had to | 14:50 |
| wladston | stinebd: why didn't you just checkout a normal android repo, and then branch it ? | 14:52 |
| stinebd | i did | 14:52 |
| stinebd | a "normal android repo" is a collection of lots of smaller individual git repositories | 14:52 |
| stinebd | cloned and managed by repo | 14:52 |
| wladston | yeah, I figured that out | 14:52 |
| wladston | but when I checkout xdandroid, the repo manifest is on xdandroid | 14:53 |
| stinebd | yeah | 14:53 |
| stinebd | we need to tell repo which of the repositories should be our version | 14:53 |
| stinebd | any change to any repository will require the project to have its own manifest | 14:53 |
| wladston | hummm ... right | 14:53 |
| wladston | got it | 14:53 |
| wladston | thanks | 14:53 |
| * wladston syncs with the korg android repo, tries to learn how to make on it | 15:05 | |
| stinebd | emwe: it does seem particularly snappier in the shutdown dialog | 15:35 |
| stinebd | i might push the OTA support into rootfs today | 15:37 |
| stinebd | and then for FRX03 we can distribute an update.zip instead of system.ext2 | 15:37 |
| stinebd | well we can do both but most people will get the zip | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | that'll be awesometastic. | 15:40 |
| CazH | freaking awesome :D | 15:43 |
| wladston | freaking awesome [2] | 15:45 |
| wladston | I need a note taking app and a list app ... recomendations ? | 15:49 |
| arrrghhh | for shopping lists OI makes a good app | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | note taking... any notepad-like app does the job for me. | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | haven't tried too many tho. | 15:50 |
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| wladston | I need one I can operate with the stylus | 15:53 |
| wladston | also would be nice to have a wake-up-on-stylus removal on our build! | 15:53 |
| wladston | stinebd: what do you think ? | 15:53 |
| xdandroid | New rootfs available (20101029-2f5744a) at: http://is.gd/gsHWp -- Changes at: http://is.gd/gsHWl | 15:54 |
| stinebd | wladston: patches welcome | 15:55 |
| wladston | stinebd: great :) I'm on my way on learning how to make patches | 15:55 |
| hamagc | woot! ota! | 16:10 |
| hamagc | are kernel updates possible ota? | 16:10 |
| stinebd | no | 16:12 |
| stinebd | well not yet | 16:13 |
| stinebd | http://southcape.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/otaupdate.jpg | 16:14 |
| stinebd | portions of my hand make a cameo in that shot | 16:14 |
| hamagc | nice! | 16:14 |
| wladston | nice :) | 16:15 |
| arrrghhh | ha, i was wondering if you were going to respond to that bug stine lol | 16:24 |
| stinebd | i wonder if there's a max comment length setting | 16:25 |
| stinebd | can't trust users at all | 16:25 |
| arrrghhh | seriously. i got that email in my phone, scrolling thru it like FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU | 16:25 |
| arrrghhh | was that bug 42? | 16:26 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=42 normal, Normal, ---, developers, REOPENED, BLAZN, Haret, no service | 16:26 |
| arrrghhh | yup. | 16:26 |
| stinebd | that dmesg is useless anyway | 16:29 |
| arrrghhh | yea, looks like it was after the restart... | 16:30 |
| stinebd | no | 16:30 |
| arrrghhh | we'd probably need someone who knows adb to just have a logcat running when the restart happens. | 16:30 |
| stinebd | 1128.727844 is when it happened | 16:30 |
| stinebd | but the dmesg just shows some binder ipc errors and zombie deaths which are to be expected | 16:31 |
| stinebd | and then at 1131 zygote restarts everything | 16:31 |
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| stinebd | really we don't even need someone with adb | 16:34 |
| stinebd | sendlog would do the trick for this assuming they could get to it soon enough after android is restored | 16:34 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 16:40 |
| * arrrghhh has no clue what he's looking for, and that just proved it :P | 16:40 | |
| arrrghhh | i've had this happen a few times to me on my rhod400 | 16:41 |
| arrrghhh | but nothing repeatable... | 16:41 |
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| hamagc | ok guys i'm off. see you all monday | 16:50 |
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| wladston | I'm experimenting with a notes application, and it really doesn't work correctly | 17:18 |
| wladston | I wonder if it's the display driver or it's the app | 17:19 |
| wladston | maybe I should calibrate the screen | 17:19 |
| emwe | re. somehow my box just died... | 17:20 |
| wladston | ?! | 17:20 |
| wladston | died? | 17:20 |
| wladston | no windows boot ? | 17:20 |
| emwe | died as in was in standby in opensuse. and for whatever reason was not wakeable.. | 17:20 |
| emwe | standby doesn't work anyway in combination with advanced mini dock anyway. | 17:21 |
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| wladston | arrrghhh: did you try the rootfs ? | 17:29 |
| arrrghhh | never got an email form ya.. | 17:46 |
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| arrrghhh | er | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | from | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | Hello | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | what do I do with this .EXT file? | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | mokmok_: it's an update | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | err, ext32 | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | 2 | 17:46 |
| arrrghhh | you replace your previous system.ext2 file with the new one. | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | hmm, ok | 17:46 |
| mokmok_ | I'm looking at: http://xdandroid.com/wiki/Installation_Guide | 17:47 |
| mokmok_ | and it gives me links to the update | 17:47 |
| mokmok_ | which one should I be getting? | 17:47 |
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| mokmok_ | i'm trying to put the on fresh, haven't done this before | 17:48 |
| mokmok_ | damn, I'm making a lot of typos | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 17:49 |
| mokmok_ | I'm trying to load android on my fuze for the first time | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | so don't download the update | 17:49 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: ? | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | you need to get a bundle | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | fuze | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | 1 sec | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | wladston: never got an email from ya., | 17:49 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: pm me with your email again | 17:49 |
| mokmok_ | thanks! | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | mokmok_: so first i want you to read thru this thread. don't have to read every post, just read the first three posts. lots of good info. | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692 | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | when you're ready, make sure to download the bundle and not any updates... can't update something you don't have yet :P | 17:51 |
| mokmok_ | http://htcandroid.xland.cz/XDANDROID.2.2.AOSP.FRX01.17.09.10.UPDATE_PACKAGE.7z ? | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | mokmok_: that's old... did you read the thread? | 17:52 |
| mokmok_ | I'm not going to criticize the layout, 'cos it's all free, but I'm confused at the layout | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | oh wait | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | looking at that date it is old | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | but i guess babijoee hasn't put up a new bundle in a while... | 17:53 |
| mokmok_ | yeah, post is from june | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | eh your phone is ancient :P | 17:53 |
| mokmok_ | you're telling me | 17:53 |
| mokmok_ | gotta buy a new one every year to keep up :p | 17:53 |
| mokmok_ | it was nice when it came out! | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | oh i know it was | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | i used to have one. | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | had one for 2 years... | 17:56 |
| mokmok_ | can I download that bundle, then just swap out the system.ext2 file? | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | yes indeed | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | that's how you update | 17:57 |
| mokmok_ | ahh, well that's not too painful | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | just replace the old files with new ones. | 17:57 |
| mokmok_ | I only got 1 file in my system.ext2 download | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | nope, it's pretty easy. hopefully stine'll have a slick new over-the-air update soon. | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | just system.ext2 | 17:58 |
| mokmok_ | maybe then I can sell this dinosaur and buy something that will be obsolete again in a year :p | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | welcome to the world of tech. | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | my alienware laptop from 2004 can barely browse the damned web now. | 17:59 |
| mokmok_ | I got lucky, my work let me pick out my laptop | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | well, this is my personal lappy. | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | i have a pretty nice work laptop. | 17:59 |
| mokmok_ | latitude e6410 with 4gb ddr3 and a 2.7 i5 | 18:00 |
| mokmok_ | $560 | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | haven't had the extra cash or desire to upgrade my personal lappy. | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | not bad for an i5. | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | i have no clue what they spent on mine lol | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | ah well, this is OT. | 18:00 |
| mokmok_ | dell.com/outlet | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | and i'm done with work, cya guys on the flip side. | 18:00 |
| mokmok_ | that's where the good deals are | 18:00 |
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| mokmok_ | thanks for the tips | 18:00 |
| Aks | i just received a call loud n clear n got it to go on speaker also !!! | 18:16 |
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| wladston | I'm having no service issues ... sometimes it goes out of service and will stay a LONG time out. Booting to windows restores the signal. Ideas ? | 18:20 |
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| Aks | wladston : its normal | 18:32 |
| Aks | I also hv to do it | 18:32 |
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| arrrghhh | Aks, speakerphone has worked for a while, but the mic on the speakerphone doens't work. | 18:34 |
| emwe | gnight | 18:37 |
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| samihrc | hello | 19:53 |
| samihrc | somebody here ? | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 19:53 |
| TheDeadCPU | no | 19:53 |
| TheDeadCPU | arrrghhh, is lying | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | ok first off, the enter key is not puncuation. | 19:53 |
| samihrc | ok | 19:53 |
| TheDeadCPU | arrrghhh and I are bots. | 19:53 |
| samihrc | i have android 2.2 on htc pro touch 2 | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | so quit using the enter key as puncation. | 19:53 |
| samihrc | all | 19:53 |
| samihrc | work good | 19:53 |
| samihrc | but | 19:53 |
| samihrc | i need | 19:53 |
| arrrghhh | damnit dude. | 19:54 |
| samihrc | sync to mi pc | 19:54 |
| samihrc | to get | 19:54 |
| samihrc | conex | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | DAMNIT | 19:54 |
| samihrc | understand ? | 19:54 |
| samihrc | please | 19:54 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol arrrghhh | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know spanish. | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | 'latino' as you put it. | 19:54 |
| TheDeadCPU | espanole? | 19:54 |
| samihrc | i can sync my tp2 to pc to get internet, can help me ? | 19:54 |
| samihrc | si | 19:54 |
| samihrc | hablo | 19:54 |
| samihrc | español | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | TheDeadCPU, yea he's spanish. | 19:54 |
| samihrc | >.< | 19:54 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | or mexican. | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | either way | 19:54 |
| TheDeadCPU | Brazillian.. | 19:54 |
| TheDeadCPU | Maybe | 19:54 |
| arrrghhh | no | 19:55 |
| samihrc | i | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | they speak portugese | 19:55 |
| samihrc | talk | 19:55 |
| samihrc | english | 19:55 |
| samihrc | can | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | didn't we go over this? | 19:55 |
| samihrc | see? | 19:55 |
| samihrc | looking me | 19:55 |
| samihrc | 1 sec | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, QUIT USING ENTER | 19:55 |
| samihrc | please | 19:55 |
| samihrc | ok | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | one line | 19:55 |
| samihrc | srry man | 19:55 |
| TheDeadCPU | Whois said nothing.. | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, do you have a gmail account? | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | that's the best/easiest way to sync contacts. | 19:55 |
| samihrc | ok, i have this problem, i have android 2.2 haret in htc touch pro 2 but i can sync to my pc to get internet | 19:55 |
| samihrc | can respawn me the solution please? | 19:55 |
| arrrghhh | oh wait. | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | you can't get online? | 19:56 |
| TheDeadCPU | no you can't | 19:56 |
| samihrc | cant ? | 19:56 |
| TheDeadCPU | arrrghhh, he can't reverse USB tether | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | what do you mean by "sync my pc to get internet? | 19:56 |
| arrrghhh | i think he either means normal usb tether... or...? | 19:56 |
| samihrc | i can connect to usb port to pc, with android | 19:57 |
| samihrc | and can see the sd | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, debugging only. | 19:57 |
| samihrc | memory sd | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, not yet. | 19:57 |
| samihrc | sorry | 19:57 |
| samihrc | for incovenients | 19:57 |
| arrrghhh | eh, just quit using the enter key like it's puncuation. | 19:57 |
| TheDeadCPU | samihrc, you can't view SD Card in Andorid. | 19:58 |
| samihrc | i see in 100x forums and no can resolve my problem | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, android needs the sd card mounted because it's running the OS off of the sd... | 19:58 |
| samihrc | the android 2.2 project no have syncronizer to pc ? | 19:58 |
| TheDeadCPU | It's impossible. | 19:58 |
| samihrc | is correct ? | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, not in the way you want it. | 19:58 |
| samihrc | the android 2.2 project no have syncronizer to pc ? | 19:58 |
| arrrghhh | no. | 19:58 |
| samihrc | i can get the internet from my pc, and enter in market store of android to download aplications | 19:59 |
| samihrc | no have some solution for that ? | 19:59 |
| samihrc | i want get the internet from my pc to my phon with haret to download aplications from market google | 19:59 |
| arrrghhh | why not just use the market app on the phone to download? | 19:59 |
| samihrc | no have solution for thtat ? | 20:00 |
| TheDeadCPU | no | 20:00 |
| arrrghhh | why not just use the market app on the phone to download? | 20:00 |
| TheDeadCPU | It's not possible. | 20:00 |
| samihrc | mnn | 20:01 |
| samihrc | the only way to get market in the haret is date connecion network o wi-fi (NO PC), is that correct ¿? | 20:01 |
| TheDeadCPU | Yes | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | oh i see what you want. you're crazy, no body wants to do that lol. | 20:02 |
| arrrghhh | wifi or 3g buddy. | 20:02 |
| samihrc | only connect wireles? | 20:03 |
| samihrc | afff | 20:03 |
| samihrc | :( | 20:03 |
| arrrghhh | why would you want to connect thru your pc? that's a pain. | 20:03 |
| TheDeadCPU | arrrghhh, a lot of people seem to want to.. | 20:03 |
| arrrghhh | why? | 20:03 |
| arrrghhh | no wifi...? | 20:04 |
| TheDeadCPU | Also, if you don't have Wifi and can't afford Data.. | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | i understand can't afford data... | 20:04 |
| samihrc | only the connection to internet in haret is for wireless connect ? | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | but no wifi... c'mon. | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, wifi or 3g - cellular. | 20:04 |
| samihrc | no usb ? | 20:04 |
| samihrc | sorry for questions but i dont understand much english | 20:04 |
| arrrghhh | we already explained that i thought. | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | you're just throwing our answers into a translator huh... | 20:05 |
| samihrc | mnnn ok | 20:05 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know any spanish, otherwise i'd try to speak it. | 20:05 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:06 |
| TheDeadCPU | I know lots. But I deny to speak it. | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | i know enough to get me in a fight. | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | but not back out of it... | 20:06 |
| samihrc | the only way to connect to internet from phone is wireless?, there is no way to synchronize my computer and internet grab it with the phone in android? | 20:06 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:06 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, for the last time, no. | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | wifi or cell plan | 20:07 |
| samihrc | ok | 20:07 |
| samihrc | thanks | 20:07 |
| samihrc | other las questions | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | uh oh, plural. | 20:07 |
| samihrc | esto en la actualidad, podra ser solucionado, habra sincronizacion con la pc de repente ? | 20:07 |
| samihrc | wait | 20:07 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:07 |
| samihrc | afff sorry | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | copypastefail | 20:08 |
| samihrc | this today, may be solved, there will be synchronization with the PC at once? | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | samihrc, i doubt it. | 20:08 |
| TheDeadCPU | No. Usted no puede utilizar Internet en su PC en el teléfono. Usted debe conectar el teléfono a través de WiFi o EDGE o 3G. | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:08 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i'm talkin bout mr nord man. | 20:08 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:08 |
| TheDeadCPU | That shut him up. | 20:10 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 20:10 |
| samihrc | thanks all and sorry for incoveniences my dude is resolved | 20:10 |
| samihrc | thanks | 20:10 |
| arrrghhh | my dude is resolved too. | 20:11 |
| samihrc | what dude ? | 20:11 |
| samihrc | have you ? | 20:11 |
| arrrghhh | lol sorry. | 20:11 |
| * arrrghhh is a dick. | 20:11 | |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:11 |
| samihrc | <arrrghhh> my dude is resolved too. | 20:12 |
| samihrc | why ? | 20:12 |
| samihrc | have dudes ? | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | hrm... not sure you know what dude means. | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | dude = amigo | 20:13 |
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| arrrghhh | Me gusta comer carne de cerdo frita. | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | tocino! | 20:16 |
| TheDeadCPU | tacos! burritos burritos! | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:16 |
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| samihrc | jajajjajaja | 20:19 |
| samihrc | in south park, erick cartman with you hand | 20:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:20 |
| samihrc | say jeniffer lopez, "me gusta comer tacos, burritos" | 20:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:20 |
| samihrc | no see southpark ¿? | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 20:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | you've never seen south park? | 20:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | eric cartman? | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | 'screw you guys i'm goin home"? nothin? | 20:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:21 |
| arrrghhh | dang dude. you're behind. | 20:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:21 |
| arrrghhh | you've got like 14 seasons to catch up on :P | 20:21 |
| arrrghhh | those guys are from my state. actually met @ the university i went to :P | 20:21 |
| * TheDeadCPU looks at his 12 South Park Season Boxes. | 20:21 | |
| arrrghhh | dude... | 20:21 |
| arrrghhh | wth is wrong with you LOL | 20:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:22 |
| TheDeadCPU | I've got season 1-12 on DVD yay | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 20:22 |
| arrrghhh | i've got every episode :P | 20:24 |
| TheDeadCPU | I've got all of them on my External drive :p | 20:24 |
| arrrghhh | did you see the newest? | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | with the coon | 20:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | no. | 20:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | I've yet to see season 14 and up | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | aw. | 20:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | I want to save them til i need em | 20:25 |
| arrrghhh | 2nd half of s14 just started back up. | 20:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:25 |
| samihrc | blobjow my balls | 20:25 |
| samihrc | XD | 20:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol wat indeed. | 20:26 |
| TheDeadCPU | wat | 20:26 |
| stinebd | whbt? | 20:26 |
| samihrc | eirc karttman : "melb gibson says the judes are serpents and going to the hell" | 20:26 |
| TheDeadCPU | stinebd, you know any spanish? | 20:26 |
| stinebd | TheDeadCPU: ¿donde esta la biblioteca? | 20:27 |
| arrrghhh | blobjow | 20:27 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:27 |
| TheDeadCPU | I know spanish. But deny to speak it. | 20:28 |
| TheDeadCPU | Also. Gnite guys. | 20:28 |
| stinebd | wo ist die toilette? | 20:28 |
| stinebd | tschüß | 20:28 |
| arrrghhh | suge på denne Trebeck... | 20:29 |
| TheDeadCPU | Why would I suck on a wooden bench? | 20:30 |
| stinebd | the penis mightier for 500? | 20:30 |
| arrrghhh | wooden bench? | 20:30 |
| TheDeadCPU | <arrrghhh> suge på denne Trebeck... | 20:30 |
| arrrghhh | is that what Trebeck translates to in Norwegian? | 20:30 |
| arrrghhh | I was talking about Alex Trebeck. stine got it :P | 20:31 |
| TheDeadCPU | nope. But it's the closest thing | 20:31 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:31 |
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| arrrghhh | trebenk | 20:31 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:31 |
| arrrghhh | that is pretty close. | 20:31 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 20:31 |
| stinebd | watch for splinters | 20:31 |
| TheDeadCPU | Well gnite guys | 20:31 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 20:31 |
| arrrghhh | have a good un | 20:31 |
| stinebd | abend | 20:32 |
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| Fusion1 | evening | 20:48 |
| Fusion1 | anyone awake ? | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | 7pm here | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | so yes. | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 20:48 |
| Fusion1 | hehe ok | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | what's up? | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | first days on xdandroid. absolutely love it | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | i always, since my first htc, hated winmo | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | god bless xdandroid. | 20:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol yes. | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | just having.. a few issues. | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | i use a TP2 | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | how can i find out the model i have ? | 20:49 |
| Fusion1 | rhod400, 500.. | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | under the battery | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | well | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | i can answer it if you're in the us | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | what carrier? | 20:50 |
| Fusion1 | canada, telus | 20:50 |
| Fusion1 | cdma | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | ah crap. | 20:50 |
| arrrghhh | dunno then, under the battery. it'll be a 400 or 500. | 20:50 |
| Fusion1 | hehe | 20:50 |
| Fusion1 | i think it's a 500 | 20:50 |
| Fusion1 | u ever got any kind of usb sync to work ? | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | i tried many, many things | 20:51 |
| arrrghhh | to sync what? | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | none of them worked | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | outlook mainly | 20:51 |
| arrrghhh | usb debugging works. | 20:51 |
| arrrghhh | oh no, that doesn't work. | 20:51 |
| arrrghhh | who do you use for email? | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | oh | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | gmail, locally here i got exchange. so gmail works | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | but i'd like to be at least able to sync by usb to my local outlook | 20:51 |
| arrrghhh | exchange works too | 20:51 |
| Fusion1 | but otherwise i'll open up exchange ports for owa to work | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | just select 'corporate' in accounts & sync instead of 'google' | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | (when you add the acct) | 20:52 |
| Fusion1 | yeah i'll do that, i saw the option | 20:52 |
| Fusion1 | im wondering, is 3.0 around the corner ? | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | never used it tho. | 20:52 |
| Fusion1 | ok | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | 2.3 will probably come first | 20:52 |
| Fusion1 | u have a tp2 as well ? | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | 3.0... lots of speculation as to when. | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | yep. | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | rhod400 | 20:53 |
| Fusion1 | is your battery hot ? | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | i've heard before the end of the year, some say q1-2 2011 | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | eh not so much any more | 20:53 |
| Fusion1 | i had it really hot first day or 2 but i used hw3d in the startup utility | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | are you using wifi or gps? things like that'll heat it up. | 20:53 |
| Fusion1 | and it seems better ? maybe its just me | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | yea it used to be really freakin hot | 20:53 |
| Fusion1 | well i don't. is the gps automagially initialised on bootup ? | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | with the newest battery fixes, it seems to have gotten better. | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | i believe it's enabled by default, yes. | 20:54 |
| Fusion1 | oh, so the startup utility.. that one fixes some battery stuff right ? or just the meter | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | settings -> location&security | 20:54 |
| Fusion1 | didnt seem clear to me | 20:54 |
| Fusion1 | yeah but if you dont open up any gps enabled app, gps chip should be working, i tought | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | ok wait let's break this down. | 20:54 |
| Fusion1 | i ask many things at the same time | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | the startup utility doesn't fix anything, it just creates startup.txt files based on user input | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | ah | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | and it has an update button | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | but i wonder why i was getting a so hot battery | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | and not anymore | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | that pulls the newest rootfs, zimage/modules & initrd | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | ah ! | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | i used this update | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | and after that it was much better | 20:55 |
| Fusion1 | yeah, that's when i noticed it | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:55 |
| arrrghhh | for better or for worse the app makes things easy. | 20:56 |
| Fusion1 | so it doesnt just update the startup utility itself | 20:56 |
| Fusion1 | it also updates parts of the xdandroid kernel or system also | 20:56 |
| Fusion1 | makes sense now | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't update the startup utility at all :P | 20:56 |
| Fusion1 | hard to understand everything from reading forums, it seems | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | sov was talking about adding that functionality. | 20:56 |
| Fusion1 | lots of info, but never that easy to catch everything quickly | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | did you see the thread on xda that's specifically for the app? | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | well | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | there's a lot of stuff to read. | 20:57 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: you got some room on your sd card to back up your system.ext2? | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | gotta do a lot of reading my friend. | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, oh yea. | 20:57 |
| stinebd | i can let you play with the updater | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 20:57 |
| Fusion1 | didnt see the thread no | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | Fusion1, 1 sec | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807117 | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | also, reef's faq is quite good | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | http://sites.google.com/site/androidport/faq | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | thx | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | geared towards the RHOD | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | there's some specific threads on cdma | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | but the main thread | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | not really | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | also talks about gsm and cdma | 20:59 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: http://files.xdandroid.com/.NOT-FOR-RELEASE/update-FRX02-20101029.zip | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | gsm and cdma are "equally" supported. | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | i wondered if needed to pay more attention to the cdma threads | 20:59 |
| Fusion1 | okay | 20:59 |
| stinebd | keep a backup of your system.ext2 because subsequent updates will only work with the original frx02 | 20:59 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, k | 21:00 |
| stinebd | that goes to /sdcard/andboot/update.zip | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | is it hardcoded to go there? | 21:00 |
| stinebd | yeah | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | k | 21:00 |
| stinebd | just like the real bootloaders | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 21:00 |
| Fusion1 | im wondering if bluetooth is a wip | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | i have my android installations 2 folders deep. | 21:00 |
| stinebd | bluetooth is a dont work yet | 21:00 |
| Fusion1 | or if it just wont be supported at all | 21:00 |
| arrrghhh | Fusion1, as is everything else. | 21:00 |
| stinebd | we'll get it going eventually | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure it'll get fixed | 21:01 |
| stinebd | but it's low priority | 21:01 |
| Fusion1 | yeah | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | but yea, when is the question. there's much bigger fish to fry. | 21:01 |
| Fusion1 | okay | 21:01 |
| stinebd | see bug 1 | 21:01 |
| xdandroid | Bug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 enhancement, Normal, ---, stinebd, NEW, Bluetooth not working correctly | 21:01 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 21:01 |
| Fusion1 | im wondering.. there's many ways (i understand you said it doesnt work right now) to sync the android phones to a pc | 21:02 |
| Fusion1 | there's the htc sync apps | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | and? | 21:02 |
| stinebd | not sure those work with aosp | 21:02 |
| Fusion1 | 2.x, 3.x, then there's android-sync (alpha).. then, there's those ADB drives | 21:02 |
| Fusion1 | drivers | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea, adb works. | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | (that's what i meant when i said usb debugging works) | 21:02 |
| Fusion1 | kinda confused on all of this, what's for what and if i could use anything of all these | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | none will sync | 21:03 |
| Fusion1 | but usb debugging works to.. access the sd as mass storage ? or something else | 21:03 |
| Fusion1 | ah. | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | no mass storage | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | you connect to the phone and you can run commands on it | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | are you familiar with linux? | 21:03 |
| Fusion1 | ah. not really, im just a windows sysadmin | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sorry. | 21:03 |
| Fusion1 | i do run linux on my wdtv's :| | 21:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | ever ssh'd to them? | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | telnet | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | didnt use ssh | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | same difference | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | just not secure :P | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | but yeah | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | heeh | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | i use it everyday for testing stuff on these little boxes | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | love em | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | telnet everything goes over the wire in plain text | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | but yea, adb is like that. | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | yes i know that | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | ok | 21:04 |
| Fusion1 | but you gotta know how usb works i guess | 21:05 |
| Fusion1 | over my head | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | eh not really | 21:05 |
| Fusion1 | ah | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | more helps to know how linux works to use adb | 21:05 |
| Fusion1 | okay | 21:05 |
| Fusion1 | i'd find my way i guess | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | embedded linux especially. | 21:05 |
| Fusion1 | rootfs/romfs/cramfs or so ? | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | but yea adb isn't too useful for much other than debugging. you can push & install apk's... | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | fer whut? | 21:06 |
| Fusion1 | im kinda confused on the embedded linux flavors | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, so i'm guessing i should just move my install to /andboot? | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | well this is android my friend. | 21:06 |
| Fusion1 | i was messing with sat receivers for years | 21:06 |
| Fusion1 | android is a google modified linux, embedded linux ? | 21:06 |
| arrrghhh | just helps to know embedded linux to wrap your head around the code. | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | well google bought android. | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | but yea | 21:07 |
| Fusion1 | ah ! | 21:07 |
| Fusion1 | didnt know they were bought, never read about this part of the wild it world | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | they bought 'em and ran with it | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | just like grand central / google voice :D | 21:07 |
| Fusion1 | lol | 21:07 |
| Fusion1 | k | 21:07 |
| Fusion1 | google voice was a voip company before ? | 21:07 |
| arrrghhh | gotta love google. not that different from m$ in the business world. | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | kinda sorta | 21:08 |
| Fusion1 | ive read a bit about their service | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | not really a voip company per se | 21:08 |
| Fusion1 | but not much | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | just a way to aggragate phones | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | 'one number' | 21:08 |
| Fusion1 | i use a sip provider for voip, using sip phones | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | yea, this isn't sip :P | 21:08 |
| arrrghhh | or voip to your house | 21:08 |
| Fusion1 | used lnp to port local numbers to voip, but hell still having issues getting QoS to properly work... anyway, another long story | 21:09 |
| Fusion1 | dd-wrt's QoS is cheezy | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | so you have a work, home & cell phone. you get a 4th number and give that to everyone. they call this 4th number and it ran ring one or all of your other 3 phones. | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | depending on the time of day, etc | 21:09 |
| Fusion1 | hehe | 21:09 |
| Fusion1 | nice | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i finally figured out dd-wrt's qos i think. | 21:09 |
| Fusion1 | i can do this with voip.ms also | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | it was choking at first. | 21:09 |
| arrrghhh | doin all sorts of weird stuff. | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | you can ssh/telnet to the router & see how it's marking packets | 21:10 |
| Fusion1 | yeah | 21:10 |
| Fusion1 | u use l7 ? | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | bah i need to grab my usb cable so i can try stine's new magic | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | 17? | 21:10 |
| Fusion1 | or mac.. or anything else | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | never heard of 17 | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | or is that l7 | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | L7 | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 21:11 |
| Fusion1 | well there's many ways to to the qos, it can use mac addresses, or protocol, or ip's to mark what to put in priority | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | oh oh how do i do qos | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | i do protocol | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | and subnets | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | protocol didn't seem to be enough | 21:11 |
| Fusion1 | well protocol based is l7 on linux, i think | 21:11 |
| arrrghhh | so i also prioritized subnets | 21:12 |
| Fusion1 | http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/FAQ | 21:12 |
| Fusion1 | hey | 21:12 |
| Fusion1 | is hardware 3d really supported on the tp2 so far on android? | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | it "works" | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 21:13 |
| Fusion1 | but its not 'optimized' ? | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | if your next question involves angry bird | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | birds* | 21:13 |
| Fusion1 | LOL | 21:13 |
| arrrghhh | i'm going to stab you | 21:13 |
| Fusion1 | hahaha | 21:13 |
| Fusion1 | you know, i wrote on msn 'android rocks' or something | 21:13 |
| Fusion1 | first thing, someone pops and says 'try angry bird' | 21:14 |
| Fusion1 | hahaha | 21:14 |
| Fusion1 | so yes, it involves angry bird. ive never seen/played that thing. | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | i can't speak to whether or not it's optimized, it seems like it could be better. not sure if hw3d is to blame, framebuffer, or just our crappy old hardware. | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | so our devices don't support opengls2.0 | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | which angry birds requires | 21:14 |
| Fusion1 | hardware limitation? | 21:14 |
| arrrghhh | so you can play it, but it won't be a very pleasurable experience | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | damn, the tp2, is not that old | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | i cant understand | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | the hardware is. | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | that thing was like 650$ 1 year ago | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | did you not check it out before you bought it? lol | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | i looked a bit | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | it's got the EXACT same processor & RAM specs as the phone it replaced. | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | but there's not enough threads and infos | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | which was already old. | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | its so easy to not be confused | 21:15 |
| arrrghhh | oh i'm just talkin hardware specs | 21:15 |
| Fusion1 | yeah but still | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | tp2 is old. | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | so i hope i can keep it for 1 year | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | htc pulled an nVidia there. | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | and have a nice android experience on it | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | i have 2 years left on contract. | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | ouch. | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | yeah, ouch. | 21:16 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i never signed a contract... but that's another story. | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | but phones are expensive | 21:16 |
| Fusion1 | u pay either way | 21:17 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: ohh, re the /sdcard/andboot thing | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 21:17 |
| stinebd | it'll work in /sdcard too | 21:17 |
| Fusion1 | each way ? well, my english sucks | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, ya? | 21:17 |
| stinebd | it should | 21:17 |
| stinebd | untested though | 21:17 |
| stinebd | so feedback me | 21:17 |
| Fusion1 | sorry about my bad english. | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | Fusion1, i have a friend that works for sprint. your english is fine. | 21:17 |
| arrrghhh | better than most in here, mine included :P | 21:17 |
| Fusion1 | its cheezy sometimes. i tell ya | 21:17 |
| Fusion1 | CDC ACM Data ? | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | what is that. | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | i bet you plugged it in | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | to a windows machine. | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | CDC Abstract Control Model | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | shame on you. | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | yeah. | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | lol | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | My HTC | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | three devices show up | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | yeah. | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | XDA | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | some some other two | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 21:18 |
| arrrghhh | you have to install the drivers... | 21:18 |
| Fusion1 | adb ? | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | or some other stuff | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | is there any kind of wired thethering possible ? | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | tethering | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | thehehtheringing | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | wifi | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | using a 3rd party app ? | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | wifi tethering... | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | well stinebd enabled the built-in one | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | i used wmwifirouter | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | on winmo | 21:19 |
| stinebd | does it work? | 21:19 |
| arrrghhh | but there's a couple of wifi tethering apps in android that work well too. | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | but i HATE WINMO | 21:19 |
| Fusion1 | stinebd, yes it did. | 21:20 |
| stinebd | neat | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, lol never tested it tbh. i just used the xda tether app you posted. | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | on wifi, and wired | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | bought the app | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | wmwifirouter is a paid app? | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | it is | 21:20 |
| arrrghhh | oh. | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | a free version floated around | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | but it was for a limited time; for supporters | 21:20 |
| Fusion1 | htc did a free wifi tethering app also | 21:21 |
| Fusion1 | later on | 21:21 |
| Fusion1 | but all that doesnt make the tp2 run smooth on winmo. its so laggy, its not even funny.. with what i had on it | 21:22 |
| Fusion1 | is having a lot of bells and whistles on the winmo on the device itself interfere in any way with xda ? | 21:22 |
| arrrghhh | Fusion1, nope, haret kicks winmo out of memory. | 21:23 |
| Fusion1 | i see some roms that are said to be stripped of many things, to flash on the device and to optimize the xda.. | 21:23 |
| arrrghhh | not an emulator, not a vm. | 21:23 |
| arrrghhh | well | 21:23 |
| Fusion1 | yeah, that's what i understood | 21:23 |
| arrrghhh | so it boots to xda faster. | 21:23 |
| Fusion1 | wondered why they claimed that | 21:23 |
| Fusion1 | k | 21:23 |
| arrrghhh | like from a cold start | 21:24 |
| Fusion1 | i didnt manage to get this autoboot app to work | 21:24 |
| Fusion1 | says xda missing | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | it takes a while to load sense etc | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | and then launch xdandroid | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | gen.y? | 21:24 |
| Fusion1 | yeah | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | can't support that, never used it and not affiliated with us :P | 21:24 |
| Fusion1 | didnt mess much with it tho, i can admit | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | yea, read the thread for it. | 21:24 |
| arrrghhh | the directions are pretty simple, but if you screw 'em up it won't work ;) | 21:25 |
| stinebd | lol affiliated | 21:25 |
| Fusion1 | would it be a good idea to check to flash xda to nand ? | 21:25 |
| stinebd | they didn't pay for the naming rights!!1 | 21:25 |
| Fusion1 | ive seen there's a thread about it | 21:25 |
| Fusion1 | i couldnt care less about getting rid of winmo completly | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | so then ignore it | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | just like the whole prj, it's for testing. | 21:25 |
| Fusion1 | yeah but having it boot faster directly to nand | 21:25 |
| arrrghhh | well yea no mo winmo | 21:26 |
| Fusion1 | um. | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | but it's not at the same level as haret... they're a little behind. not far tho, acl has made good progress | 21:26 |
| Fusion1 | so i'll stick with leaving winmo, maybe i'll reflash the telus stock rom | 21:26 |
| Fusion1 | which will probably be faster than the ding dong rom i have right now | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | dong rom? | 21:27 |
| arrrghhh | don't want to know. | 21:27 |
| arrrghhh | energy rom is all i need/use :P | 21:27 |
| Fusion1 | well its called.. energy rom | 21:27 |
| Fusion1 | yeah | 21:27 |
| Fusion1 | it's that i have also | 21:27 |
| Fusion1 | it's ok.. but having the phone lagging as hell isnt fun hehe | 21:27 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't lag too bad for me. | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | dunno | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | winmo sucks all around. | 21:28 |
| Fusion1 | just the unlocking of the phone | 21:28 |
| Fusion1 | cause exchange setted up some policies on it | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | blech | 21:28 |
| Fusion1 | its slow. anyway | 21:28 |
| arrrghhh | stupid microsoft. they're turning into apple, assuming they know what's best for the end-user. | 21:29 |
| Fusion1 | they dont ? | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | 45 minutes... wtf are you doing phone. or computer. | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | Fusion1, no, they don't :P | 21:29 |
| Fusion1 | they do up to some point | 21:29 |
| Fusion1 | some of their stuff is dummy proof | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | nothing is dummy proof. | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | cant tell the same of some of the pc world stuff | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | not dumdumdummy | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | but dummy, as in, end user | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | it's idiot resistant. | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | hehe | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | its like watches | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | but all software aims to that end | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | there's water PROOF, and RESISTAND | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | T | 21:30 |
| Fusion1 | it always look a bit less punchy when u write something and have to correct afterwards. you lose | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:31 |
| Fusion1 | my gf's getting angry, i'll go take care of her | 21:31 |
| Fusion1 | thanks for the help | 21:31 |
| stinebd | what is that, some kind of shining reference? | 21:31 |
| stinebd | "take care of" her? | 21:32 |
| Fusion1 | lol | 21:32 |
| Fusion1 | hahaha | 21:32 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 21:32 |
| Fusion1 | hell, i said my english was bad | 21:32 |
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| Fusion1 | but hey, shining.. thanks for the idea | 21:32 |
| Fusion1 | later, xdaddicts | 21:33 |
| arrrghhh | haha cya | 21:33 |
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| arrrghhh | damn canucks. | 21:35 |
| stinebd | not a fan of vancouver hockey? | 21:35 |
| arrrghhh | eh, just felt like sayin that. | 21:35 |
| arrrghhh | alrighty, hopefully this works meow | 21:45 |
| arrrghhh | ok how do i kick off an update? | 21:48 |
| stinebd | put it in the same directory as your startup.txt, named update.zip | 21:49 |
| stinebd | and boot | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | oh... | 21:50 |
| stinebd | if it doesn't work, i did something wrong | 21:50 |
| * arrrghhh did something wrong | 21:50 | |
| arrrghhh | alright 2nd time is the charm... | 21:53 |
| arrrghhh | hrm still no update. | 21:55 |
| arrrghhh | i just need frx02 system image right? | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | or is there something else i need. | 21:56 |
| stinebd | is it not even trying? | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | it just booted in as normal, didn't see anything different. | 21:56 |
| stinebd | and you have the new rootfs? | 21:56 |
| arrrghhh | you just pumped a new one out huh... | 21:57 |
| stinebd | the one from earlier today | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | i thought i grabbed it, 1 sec. | 21:57 |
| arrrghhh | ah, i don't think i put that new rootfs in the ref build. | 21:57 |
| stinebd | the logic looks okay | 21:58 |
| stinebd | even for /sdcard systems | 21:58 |
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| arrrghhh | i think it's user error. | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | goin for magic #3 | 21:58 |
| arrrghhh | we have update captain! | 22:01 |
| stinebd | it's ungodly terse | 22:01 |
| stinebd | does reboot work on rhod? | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | ah so it does the update then soft resets? | 22:02 |
| stinebd | yes | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea, full reboot | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 22:02 |
| stinebd | i had to patch my kernel for that part | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 22:02 |
| stinebd | no reboot on raph in our kernels yet | 22:02 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 22:03 |
| wladston | stinebd: how did you find the instructions to make a build from the android repo ? I'm looking at the info at source.android.com, but it's incomplete | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | so you couldn't just restart android? | 22:03 |
| stinebd | the updater does that on its own | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | well, i mean instead of doing a full reboot, just reboot within linux? | 22:03 |
| stinebd | which is fine because i have it send an intent to let rootfs know that the update went through and it can delete the package | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | alright lets see how this boot works. | 22:04 |
| stinebd | i don't think it would be easy to do that | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | alrighty then no worries. | 22:04 |
| stinebd | because if you look at the rootfs init code in the commit, what happens is we copy an init.rc for recovery specifically, then start init.android | 22:05 |
| wladston | stinebd: did you use choosecombo ? | 22:05 |
| stinebd | there's really no way to stop the init.android, swap the configs, then start it up again | 22:05 |
| stinebd | since zygote will just keep running the init process over and over again if you kill it | 22:05 |
| stinebd | wladston: no choosecombo. buildspec.mk | 22:06 |
| stinebd | wladston: http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/build_system.html | 22:07 |
| wladston | stinebd: source.android.com looks really outdated | 22:07 |
| wladston | stinebd: I've been reading that one too :) | 22:07 |
| stinebd | don't complain to me about it, i don't write it | 22:07 |
| arrrghhh | so stinebd i'm guessing there's nothing actually in the update? | 22:08 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh: the only change is to disable blur in certain cases | 22:08 |
| stinebd | (see the shutdown dialog) | 22:08 |
| arrrghhh | oic | 22:08 |
| arrrghhh | bg still fades. what do you mean by 'blur'? | 22:08 |
| stinebd | blur. | 22:08 |
| stinebd | you can't read stuff behind it | 22:08 |
| stinebd | fading to grey != blur | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | ohhhh ok. | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i never really noticed that it blurred before... | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | damnit need to download frx02 again haha | 22:09 |
| wladston | stinebd: sure, I was just gossiping about it | 22:09 |
| stinebd | shutdown dialog is noticeably smoother without the blur | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | oh wait i think i copied the whole build... | 22:09 |
| stinebd | you can keep it like that for now | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, i'll have to compare. | 22:10 |
| stinebd | lol | 22:10 |
| stinebd | trust me, it's noticeable | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | i want to see if it works in different directories. | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | trust NO ONE :P | 22:10 |
| stinebd | if what works? | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | the update? | 22:10 |
| stinebd | well i know for sure it works in /sdcard/andboot | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | didn't you want feedbacks? | 22:10 |
| stinebd | (or whatever rel_path is) | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | yes that's what i just tested. | 22:10 |
| stinebd | oh | 22:11 |
| stinebd | sure test it in /sdcard then | 22:11 |
| stinebd | which i thought you were doing just now :P | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | no i just booted android again after the update to see if it took effect :P | 22:11 |
| stinebd | i can almost guarantee it'll work in /sdcard too | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | i'm gonna test in my funky setup. | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | works in mah funky setup! | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | in /sdcard/Androids/TP2Ref | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | deletes the update.zip too, just like ya said. | 22:18 |
| arrrghhh | awesome work mang. | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | 164kb downloads should be a lot easier on your b/w compared to 120mb downloads... | 22:19 |
| stinebd | in reality it's roughly 25MB compared to 60MB | 22:19 |
| stinebd | the 50MB barrier is what i'm most concerned about | 22:19 |
| arrrghhh | oh does the tool download int he background...? | 22:20 |
| stinebd | what tool? | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | i thought the update was all in that .zip. | 22:20 |
| stinebd | it is | 22:20 |
| stinebd | but real updates will be larger | 22:20 |
| stinebd | ie FRX02->FRX03 | 22:20 |
| arrrghhh | oh oh of course. | 22:21 |
| stinebd | i'll be interested to see how it can handle hotfixes like what we're testing now | 22:21 |
| stinebd | in theory it would detect the single updated file and skip the patch, then go on with the rest of them | 22:21 |
| stinebd | which would be really really nice | 22:21 |
| stinebd | then people can update from FRX02->FRX03 with or without that hotfix already applied | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 22:22 |
| stinebd | that will be tested next time i have to change something | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | schweet | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | can't say i'm blown away by frx02 | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | better have something good up your sleeves for frx03 :P | 22:23 |
| stinebd | auto brightness? | 22:23 |
| arrrghhh | alright, that was pretty slick. | 22:24 |
| stinebd | i changed other stuff too i think | 22:25 |
| stinebd | oh yeah | 22:25 |
| stinebd | armv6j optimizations, hdpi, gapps fixes | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | what optimizations...? | 22:25 |
| stinebd | a bunch of optimized translations for armv6j instructions that our devices don't support | 22:26 |
| stinebd | lets stuff run a tiny fraction faster | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | every bit counts :P | 22:26 |
| stinebd | not noticeable at all of course | 22:27 |
| stinebd | xdandroid: seen camro | 22:27 |
| xdandroid | stinebd: camro was last seen in #xdandroid 1 day, 9 hours, 45 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <camro> (my phone is killed by too much testings..) | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | oh dude i'm posting all about it | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | BIG update! HUGE performance gains thanks to stinebd!!! | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | did he wozzer his phone? | 22:27 |
| arrrghhh | i saw him post that, never asked him what it meant... | 22:28 |
| stinebd | oh yeah and the in call menu was fixed | 22:28 |
| stinebd | that took hours of development | 22:28 |
| stinebd | to multiply one number by 1.5 | 22:28 |
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| arrrghhh_ | that was sudden | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh_ | damnit still here too | 22:30 |
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| arrrghhh | what i was saying was it looks good, hdpi + dialer. | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | nice work :P | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | funny it was broken for so long haha | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | why would you ever make this | 22:40 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/customprofilepics/profilepic1428002_1.gif | 22:40 |
| arrrghhh | your avatar? | 22:40 |
| arrrghhh | it's like taken in a bathroom in the mexico city airport. | 22:41 |
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| stinebd | jesus | 22:53 |
| stinebd | just got hammered from a copyright crawler | 22:53 |
| stinebd | pulled 9GB in a flash | 22:53 |
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| stinebd | blocked | 22:54 |
| stinebd | http://themaingate.net/dev/uncategorized/calling-out-bad-crawlers-the-kintiskton-nuisance | 22:54 |
| stinebd | terrible people | 22:54 |
| stinebd | i should bill them for the overage they caused :/ | 22:56 |
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| arrrghhh | stinebd, that blows... | 22:57 |
| stinebd | maybe i should write up a C&D and send it to their provider in a cruel fit of irony | 22:58 |
| stinebd | unauthorized use of systems | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | yea that's ridiculous. | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | how much was the overage? | 22:58 |
| stinebd | 9GB | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | man you probably can't wait for the month to end lol | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | well i meant in monies | 22:59 |
| stinebd | 1.35 | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | nice. | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | that's actually not bad... | 22:59 |
| stinebd | of course i would charge them interest | 22:59 |
| stinebd | of approximately 2000% daily | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | considering how cell companies rape. | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | that's not usury... | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | they caused you loss of income right? | 23:00 |
| stinebd | i don't make any income from this | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | they don't have to know that. | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | you lost 2 million in revenue from those 9gb. | 23:00 |
| stinebd | worse | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 23:01 |
| stinebd | they deprived an unregistered nonprofit organization of funding | 23:01 |
| stinebd | nobody messes with freebies and gets away with it | 23:01 |
| arrrghhh | so did it hit the site & download everything in the archive basically? | 23:01 |
| stinebd | well it hit at least files.xdandroid.com | 23:02 |
| stinebd | which is the only site big enough for me to notice it was hit | 23:02 |
| stinebd | the things you learn when you finally get to run infrastructure that someone uses... | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | Oo they just go & dl everything on the hyperbrags... | 23:02 |
| stinebd | yup | 23:02 |
| stinebd | and then check it for RI/MPAA violations | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea, workin for a bank is nutso. | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | gotta think about so much security crap | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | i'm actually required by federal law to take 7 consecutive days a year off from work. | 23:03 |
| stinebd | i was involved in a startup that was going to transfer healthcare information real time for local hospitals and other providers | 23:03 |
| stinebd | now THAT was taxing | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | damn. | 23:03 |
| stinebd | thank god it never got off the ground | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | yea people's money | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | and people's personal information | 23:04 |
| stinebd | hipaa makes you weep at night | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | don't mess with it lol | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | oh man we get audited so much | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | we have internal audits, and 3rd party audits and federal/state required audits. | 23:04 |
| arrrghhh | the first two are "voluntary" lol | 23:05 |
| stinebd | oh btw i forgot to mention that you can run the same update on an already updated system (the updater will basically NOOP it and just verify the current system) and it'll go much faster | 23:07 |
| stinebd | good for testing | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | does that mean you want me to test it? :P | 23:08 |
| stinebd | nah | 23:08 |
| stinebd | in case you want to see it do stuff again | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:08 |
| stinebd | i like to watch it just because it's cool | 23:08 |
| stinebd | (sadly not kidding) | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | i was going to say you're just doing it over and over huh | 23:08 |
| stinebd | anyway time for schlafen machen | 23:09 |
| wladston | stinebd: where did you put the buildspec.mk for xandroid ? | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | g'nite mr stine | 23:09 |
| wladston | ops | 23:09 |
| stinebd | wladston: aosp root. no more questions, good night | 23:09 |
| wladston | ok | 23:09 |
| wladston | save for later | 23:10 |
| wladston | :D | 23:10 |
| wladston | thanks | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | write 'em down | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:10 |
| wladston | I actually have a file with those kinds of notse | 23:10 |
| wladston | notes | 23:10 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: I'm starting to understand a bit more about how android is built | 23:12 |
| arrrghhh | well that's good. | 23:12 |
| wladston | yeah | 23:12 |
| wladston | it's definitively not like any other thing that i've seen so far. | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | it's... unique. | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | that's for sure. | 23:13 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: do you know if the devs use the simulator ? | 23:14 |
| arrrghhh | you mean emulator? | 23:15 |
| arrrghhh | part of android sdk? | 23:15 |
| wladston | yeah | 23:15 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: android ships with a simulator | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | that's more for application devs | 23:16 |
| wladston | you can compile directly for it | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | wladston, emulator | 23:16 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: the flag is called TARGET_SIMULATOR | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | like for building apps for the market? | 23:16 |
| wladston | no | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | oh maybe i'm thinking of something different. | 23:16 |
| wladston | like building to run the machine on some kind of local hardware simulator | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | ok, i'm not sure what you're talking about :P | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | hmmm | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | that sounds an awful lot like the emulator. | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | 1 sec | 23:17 |
| wladston | neither do I, just wanted to know if you have any info on it :) | 23:17 |
| wladston | ok | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html | 23:17 |
| wladston | humm | 23:18 |
| wladston | so, we don't need that I suppose | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | no | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | not so much | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | are we talking about the same thing? | 23:20 |
| wladston | I think so | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | k | 23:23 |
| wladston | I don't know if they have two simulators/emulators | 23:23 |
| wladston | probably now | 23:23 |
| wladston | *not | 23:23 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: now I have to build the kernel | 23:31 |
| wladston | arrrghhh: could you point me to anyone that could maybe give a little info ? | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | i can in a few | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | food time now tho | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | gooooogle is your friend | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | xdandroid kernel compiling | 23:33 |
| wladston | okz! | 23:35 |
| wladston | ping me when you are back please ;) | 23:35 |
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