Friday, 2010-10-01

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KemmoHello10:29
KemmoSomeone can help me?10:29
KemmoCan I use XDAndroid in ACER S200?10:29
Kemmoneotouch10:29
KemmoHI?10:31
Kemmono one?10:31
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phhno10:40
phhbut well.10:40
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sle118hello all11:40
sle118I have an issue with google maps in the latest release11:41
sle118hum11:42
sle118ok11:42
sle118thanks for the advice ;-)11:42
sle118Since google maps won't install, I will check the logs and let you know what I find11:42
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hamagcsle118: can't install google maps?11:53
sle118no :(11:53
sle118I even tried activating Wifi11:54
hamagcinstallation failed?11:54
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sle118which triggered a tether icon to appear11:54
sle118not sure what I did but the result is I have to reboot now... network error11:54
sle118even after turining wifi off11:54
sle118Google maps downloads fine11:55
hamagcnetwork error?11:55
hamagcdownloads but won't install?11:55
sle118actually11:55
sle118downloaded over 3g11:55
sle118completed 100%11:55
sle118never started the install11:55
sle118then tried over wifi11:56
sle118turned on wifi11:56
sle1183g and wifi both stayed on11:56
sle118I clicked the tether notification to turn off tether11:56
sle118eventually got network error11:56
sle118rebooted11:57
hamagcok lets try this. boot into winmo, rename data.img to data.img.bak and lanch haret and try again. see what it does with a new data.img.11:57
hamagcdon't worry about tethering, it isn't finished yet11:57
sle118Oh11:57
sle118I think I remember something now11:57
hamagc the icon will show up but doesn't do anything for you yet11:57
sle118the first android boot (after install and delete of data.img) was erratic and awfully slow (despite choosing the recommended overclocking settings in the startup script)11:58
sle118and unstable11:58
sle118I guess I must have rebooted the phone before all scripts were completed?!?11:58
sle118I have a backup already (titanium) so I'll just wipe the data.img and reboot11:59
sle118thanks for pointing this out11:59
sle118by the way, why is WinMo so sloooooow now?11:59
hamagcnp11:59
sle118does it have to do with cpu frequency or something?12:00
hamagclol cause winmo sucks and now that you have android to play with, it makes winmo look worse12:00
sle118LOL12:00
sle118I didn't remember it was sooooooooo slow though12:00
sle118but I have android since July now so.... I must have forgotten12:00
sle118crap12:01
sle118even trying to delete data.img from CE Commander takes forever!12:02
hamagclol12:02
sle118crap crap crap!12:02
sle118grrrrr12:02
arrrghhhi thought maps was included in the builds12:04
arrrghhhYea, WinMo blows.  We just forget how much it blows by running Android :D12:05
sle118I think it has to do with my first boot with new data.img12:07
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sle118I probably didn't wait long enough for all to initialize12:07
hamagcarrrghhh: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8407068#post840706812:08
hamagcsound good?12:08
arrrghhhyea, i guess.12:09
arrrghhhi don't know what that dude's deal is12:09
arrrghhhsometimes he seems on our side, then he just rambles against us.  i don't get it.12:09
hamagclol me either but stinebd has a raph110 and doesn't have wifi or 3g issues as far as i know12:12
stinebdarrrghhh: if you see wis, please let him know that the kernel i tested had no battery life improvement on raph12:13
arrrghhhbummer.12:14
arrrghhhi will12:14
stinebdthanks12:14
arrrghhhnp12:14
arrrghhhprobably something different on RAPH.  may be the same issue, but the solution is pointed in a different location.12:14
stinebdwell he mentioned something about the screen staying on for rhod, which isn't the case with raph. shining bright lights on the screen while it's sleeping clearly shows that the display is off completely12:15
hamagcx2, i tested that kernel all night lastnight and saw nothing for improvements12:16
hamagcalso tested it on a diamond which is still going from yesterday but the battery is almost dead and it's been sitting in airplane mode12:16
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sle118anyone has a suggestion for the acpuclock.oc_freq_khz on the CDMA diamond?12:29
sle118tried 600mhz and the device didn't get past the animation on first boot after data.img delete12:30
arrrghhhsle118, leave it at the default :D12:33
arrrghhhunless you want to play A LOT12:33
sle118lol12:33
arrrghhhi think there's only certain frequencies that play nice.12:33
arrrghhhthey should be in the FAQ12:33
sle118I'll take the line off from startup12:33
sle118dang12:40
sle118I guess I will have to copy all the packages again12:41
sle118I am stuck in the animation12:41
sle118can't get past it12:41
sle118even without the acpuclock.oc_freq_khz line12:41
arrrghhhyou can try renaming your data.img12:41
arrrghhhit may be something stuck in it12:41
sle118I deleted it12:41
sle118i'll do a disk scan too12:42
arrrghhhhow long did you let it boot?12:42
sle118it's been at least 3 to 4 minutes now12:42
arrrghhhit takes a lot longer on first boot because it has to create that data.img file, among other things.12:42
arrrghhhit can take up to 10 mins12:42
sle118this is past already12:42
arrrghhhI'd say beyond 10 mins you're stuck tho.12:42
sle118right?12:42
sle118when animation is shown, data.img is done?12:42
sle118then what happens?12:42
arrrghhhlotsa stuff dude.12:43
arrrghhhmagical things12:43
arrrghhhfairies and pixie dust.  whatnot.12:43
sle118I wish we could  put a bit of this pixie dust on the camera ;-)12:43
arrrghhhbah12:44
arrrghhhthey're working on it12:44
arrrghhhi don't see why the camera is so important tho12:44
arrrghhhat least for me, it's probably about the only thing i don't hardly ever use on my phone.12:44
arrrghhhpower management, headphone jack, BT... much more important to me at least.12:45
arrrghhhnot to mention all the USB stuff12:45
sle118I kno12:45
arrrghhhcamera can rot for all i care, that could be dead last and i'd be just fine with that.12:45
sle118at least we have WinMo (as much as we hate it) to fall back on when needed12:45
arrrghhhindeed12:45
sle118although camera would take an entirely new meaning with all the cool adroid apps12:46
sle118:P12:46
sle118but yes, I agree.  BT is much more impoerant12:46
sle118errr12:46
sle118important12:46
sle118and stability too12:46
sle118:o12:46
arrrghhhwell yea12:47
arrrghhhi think unfortunately stability will not come until the hardware issues fall.12:47
arrrghhhbecause any of the stability they work on usually gets trounced when a new piece of hardware or a new feature is enabled.12:47
sle118like the damn CDMA modem?12:47
arrrghhheh it seems everything there is a regression12:48
arrrghhhall this in-call mic crap is just now cropping up, i think from the new commits12:48
hamagcoh shit12:49
hamagctoday is 10/112:49
hamagcyou know what that means12:49
hamagchave the sprint forums blown up yet?12:50
arrrghhhmeh12:51
hamagcdamn and right when my internet lags to a stop12:52
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emweas i see there is somebody working on camera.12:58
emweon the kernle side of things...12:58
emwehttp://gitorious.org/~jbruneaux/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm-home-work12:58
hamagcheh recent work at that13:03
hamagci think all we are waiting on is kernel now but i'm not positive13:04
arrrghhhhamagc, that's true13:06
arrrghhhbut it seems the kernel piece is more difficult than the userland piece :D13:06
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hamagcwell i see reports that people got sero premium with their epic on it so looks good.13:08
hamagcthis should really drop the price of the tp2 on ebay lol13:08
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emweany news on the networklocation.apk?13:14
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hamagcnope13:19
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NeoMatrixJRhey camro, the forums says something about a v3 kernel but you can't upload it?  do you have it posted anywhere else?  What changed?14:23
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sle118hamagc: Google maps isn't there after a clean install/boot15:13
hamagccan you install from market?15:13
sle118what part did I get wrong?15:13
hamagcnothing, i don't believe it was included in the newest system15:13
sle118what other apps should be there?15:13
sle118oh15:13
sle118OI see15:13
sle118let me try to install15:13
hamagcit's a pretty bare system15:13
sle118indeed!15:13
sle118also, keyboard defaults in japanese or something15:14
hamagcya, you'll have to change that to the android kb15:17
arrrghhhyea they added other IME's15:17
arrrghhhnot sure why it defaults to japanese tho15:17
hamagcno clue either15:19
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sle118hamagc: I think that the culprit of all my problems with maps not willing to install was the overclocking command line in Haret16:06
sle118I deleted the data.img and copied all system stuff again on the SD card and rebooted16:06
sle118I can install maps just fine now16:06
rrewdo you guys have some problems finding some apps on market on FRX01?16:07
hamagcyou couldn't install with the oc in the startup16:08
hamagc?16:08
hamagcwhat speed are you overclocking to?16:08
sle118I tried 60016:08
sle118mhz16:08
sle118on a diam50016:09
hamagchmm, i'm running 698 on my tp (oc set to 700000)16:09
hamagcoh reminds me16:09
sle118do we have live wallpapers on Xdandroid?16:12
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hamagcnot on frx0116:15
sle118ok16:16
sle118and where is google talk?16:17
sle118I swear I saw it at one point this summer16:17
hamagcif you can't find it in market, you'll have to find it online somewhere and download it manually16:17
stinebdsee bug #216:17
sle118oups16:17
sle118sorry16:17
sle118I guess I have been living with Android for too long now and think that I am past the newbie rank16:18
sle118but I am still asking noob questions :(16:18
arrrghhhalways helps to search before you ask16:19
arrrghhhi asked a pretty stupid question yesterday, that i was able to resolve with a 2 second search :P16:19
rrewwell  some guys said this16:20
rrewhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8409623&postcount=491316:20
rrewi was not able to find google maps :o16:21
hamagcthat looks like it basically spoofs verizon to think that it is running offical firmware16:22
hamagci would imagine it's so you can access verizon specific apps like nfl mobile or something similar16:23
stinebdsheesh16:23
stinebdthey complain when maps is included, they complain when maps is not included. we can't win ;)16:24
sle118well  I wonder who would complain about maps16:24
sle118I wonder who would complain at ALL!16:25
stinebdthe people for whom updating maps from market failed16:25
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sle118oh16:25
hamagcpsh have you not read the forums16:25
sle118It failed for me but I didn't complain... I just deleted data.img and reinstalled16:25
sle118:p16:25
hamagcthey are becoming rant forums lol16:25
sle118We're lucky to even be able to run Android on our devices16:26
sle118"they" should not forget this16:26
hamagcall they want is for everything to work properly but no one wants to help develop everything so it can run16:26
sle118dang16:26
sle118spoiled kids16:26
arrrghhhyea16:27
arrrghhhthey just want it to all work flawlessly16:27
arrrghhhand it seems the more popular this project gets16:27
arrrghhhthe worse that aspect of it gets.16:27
hamagclol everyone forget (mainly on the raph and diamond side) that this is the only vga version of android. google should be paying the devs here to develop this16:28
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arrrghhhhahaha16:29
arrrghhhconsidering there's no native VGA Android devices, wouldn't really be a good investment for them :P16:29
hamagclol see i am looking at this from a resale side of things. google can license the software, htc can refurb all these old winmo vga devices, and sell them off as a low-budget android device16:30
hamagcboom, boost and cricket now have a specific phone line that basically costs nothing16:31
arrrghhhright16:31
arrrghhhkeep on dreamin d00d16:31
arrrghhhi keep hoping some google dev will throw us some bones16:31
hamagclol i keep hoping some htc dev will throw us some drivers16:31
arrrghhhhasn't happened yet.  i guess if they do work for google they could get in big trouble helping us out16:31
arrrghhhhahaha that too16:31
hamagcandrod itself is in ok shape for us (thanks guys) but the hardware is whats killing us and htc doesn't want to give us a hand in drivers16:32
hamagcfor fear that we will steal their 4 year old tech and make our own handsets or something16:32
hamagci don't always get it myself lol16:32
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hamagcwhich really sucks cause if i had my way, i would take a touch pro over most android deivces out there16:33
hamagcother than the epic and evo and the like, we're running the same hardware as half the android devices out there16:34
hamagcsame processor as hero, over clock it and you have the same basic hardware as the moment16:34
hamagcaria, same basic hardware, backflip, i think we have better hardware. so ya, other than the 1ghz+ devices, we're still in good shape, just don't have all the hardware working yet16:35
hamagclol and our devices are still more compact than most of if not all the android devices out there16:36
hamagcso is it safe to say that the 9/26 kernel has been the most popular so far?16:37
stinebdi hate microsd adapters16:37
hamagclol the regular sd size adapters? why?16:37
stinebdmy last two literally just fell apart at the same time16:37
hamagcoh nice lol16:38
stinebdput one in my laptop, no response from the port, took it out, it was split open16:38
hamagcno one ever said they put quality into those16:38
stinebdused the next one, did the same thing16:38
phhah, not bad16:38
stinebdthey were both transcend16:38
phhmy only complain about those adapters is concerning the write lock16:38
stinebdget what you pay for i guess16:38
stinebdoh god16:38
hamagci hate those write locks16:38
stinebdi had a sandisk one that had the loose write lock switch16:38
stinebdi had to tape it16:38
arrrghhhhahaha16:38
hamagci had to tape one cause it was in the unlock position but the laptop kept telling me it was locked16:38
phhstinebd: all my SD adpaters have loose write lock switch ...16:39
arrrghhhi have a usb-to-microSD.  works great for me.16:39
hamagcheh i think mine was a sandisk one too16:39
arrrghhhjust pop the card in the back and it goes straight out to USB.16:39
phhhamagc: not on my camera.16:39
hamagcnot sandisk?16:40
hamagcwoot! another monsoon today16:43
NeoMatrixJRYo, camro...u online?16:52
emwephh: got some secs?16:52
phhemwe: yes16:54
emwephh: i need to debug modem connectivity issues on topa. is "smd" the right place on kernelland? libhtcgeneric-ril does communication with /dev/sdm* i assume?16:55
emwemodem/radio16:55
phhemwe: yes16:55
emweradio get's lost after the device has been asleep for some longer time.16:56
emwewhich smd device is the radio? (if that sentence is applicable)16:56
phhjust in case. you're using pm.sleep_mode=1 right ?16:56
emwe=0 as kconfig16:56
phhit's smd0+smd{7,1} on cdm16:56
phhemwe: that's the problem.16:56
emwepeople report > 2 works16:56
phhrhod and topa are known to work only for 1 because of this bug16:56
emwe1 is supposed to work? hm...16:57
emweheard people only telling that =3 works16:57
emwewhy are we setting 0 anyway in config? isn't it "documented" as for development pusposes only?16:58
phhIIRC that's the only one that works for 5200 :p17:00
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diesburgcan someone help me with a wifi issue with xdandroid?17:02
phhWEP is not supported on rhodium.17:02
diesburgits not wep....17:02
diesburgits unsecured17:02
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diesburgits ad-hoc..... i use adb push to push a modified wpa_supplicant.conf and a modified tiwlan.ini.... and it connects to an ad-hoc network and works great.... but when i restart android, it doesnt work and i have to adb push those files again after every restart... any way to make those changes stick between power offs in android?17:04
emwephh: hm ;) worth investigating/looking into CAs smd? i did a quick look and it seems they also got dynamic detection for the smd_alloc_elm structure ... or my quick look was too quick ;)17:04
phhemwe: we don't realy care about dynamic detection now, do we ?17:05
emweyeah, but perhaps they are doing some voodoo we don't yet.17:05
diesburgit took me forever to get wpa_supplicant and tiwlan modified to where they would work but now the settings dont stick for some reason between restarts17:05
emwephh: i will first retry with idle_sleep_mode=1 if it doesn't work out, we should be getting it to work on =1 imho17:06
phhemwe: problem is not idle sleep mode17:06
phhwait17:06
phhwtf17:06
* emwe waits17:06
phhhow can it not bugs with idle_sleep_mode=0 by default.17:07
phhbaaaaaah we'll see another day.17:07
phhthe correct one is pm.sleep_mode=117:07
diesburgor is there a way in my default.txt file to set it so wifi doesnt turn on automatically when android is started up17:07
emwephh: lol. you sound busy ;)17:09
phhemwe: just multitasking :p17:09
emweehm, pm.sleep_mode or pm.*idle_*sleep_mode ?17:09
emweor both?17:10
diesburgso no one can take a second to help me?17:10
diesburgmy question is simple.... what to add to default.txt so wifi is turned off on android startup17:10
emwediesburg: no idea, sorry17:11
diesburgok, thanks17:11
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joschkopfgood morning everybody17:16
joschkopfI was using neopeeks builds for some time, now I'm back to xdandroid. I wonder why xdandroid requires separate root.img and initrd, while neopeek puts everything in a physical ext2 partition17:18
joschkopfcan the system.ext2 not be mounted at boot time?17:18
NeoMatrixJRok, I know this falls on the other side, but wanted to know if anyone else is getting this.  whenever I reboot back to winmo my backlight dim on battery goes back to 10sec.  TP2...anyone else have this?17:18
joschkopfI also read the thread about putting xdandroid on physical ext2 partition and saw that it is discontinued. If i want to try, is it as simple loop-mount the system.ext2, copying stuff over to the partition and adapt startup.txt?17:19
arrrghhhNeoMatrixJR, guess i never fiddled with the setting...17:20
arrrghhhjoschkopf, sounds complicated.  i think no body is worrying about it becuase we're not stable yet :P17:22
hamagcNeoMatrixJR: our system is setup to run on ext2 partition17:22
hamagcall you would need to do is take our ext2 and extract it onto the proper partitions17:23
arrrghhhhamagc, that should be directed at our friend joschkopf...17:23
hamagcoh17:23
hamagclol17:23
diesburganyone else kno if theres something i can put in my startup file so wifi is turned off by default when i start android so it doesnt auto or try to auto connect to a wifi network i already have added17:23
hamagcdiesburg: turn off wifi when you shutdown android. should be off next time you start up17:24
diesburgwill do that, thanks17:24
arrrghhhyea... i've never had the issue with wifi being on at start.17:24
hamagcwell that was easy lol17:24
diesburgim not sure if thats whats causing my problem, im using an ad-hoc network for internet on android but i will see if it fixes my problem17:25
diesburganyone else here tried conecting to ad-hoc network with android17:26
hamagconly other thing i can think of is the files you are editing are locked. you will need to mount the system to make changes17:26
diesburgwhen u say mount the system do u mean whats on this page: http://blog.joint.net/2009/07/connecting-android-phone-through-adhoc.html17:27
NeoMatrixJRalso, another question, why do some of my android apps not fill the screen?17:27
hamagcNeoMatrixJR: resolution? are you setup at 240dpi or 210?17:27
joschkopfhamagc: actually that was my idea... extract system.ext2 to physical ext partition. I was just a bit confused with all the files required for xdandroid. I still wonder, what is stored in root.img, data.img and system.ext2...17:27
joschkopfanyway,I'll give it a try. thanks.17:27
hamagcyou can google the specific parts of the system17:28
hamagcif you look on xda there was a thread where we had used the ext2 partition. the thread is now closed but the instructions are all still there17:28
diesburgu talking to me ors omeone else?17:28
hamagcdiesburg: mount -o rw,remount -t  would be the mount option17:28
hamagctry it without the -t17:29
joschkopfI'll have a look, I only found a thread saying "discontinued". thanks.17:29
diesburgjust do that option before i push the files17:29
hamagcnp17:29
hamagcya, do the mount without the -t and the setting SHOULD stick17:29
NeoMatrixJRhamagc: oops.  Looks like somewhere along the line my startup.txt lost that command line option.17:29
diesburgdo i need to unmount or anything when im done?17:29
NeoMatrixJRanyone know offhand what the dpi line is for a TP2?17:29
hamagcno just reset but there might be another issue17:30
hamagcthe drivers you are editing are in the kernel17:30
hamagcso when you reboot, the kernel is overwriting those files again17:30
hamagcthats prob. why the settings are not sticking17:30
diesburgalright, thanks a lot for the help, i'll try that, i already tried that with the -t option and it didnt work so i'll try it without the -t17:30
hamagctry without but the more i think of it, the kernel should overwrite it anyways and you'll be back at step one. but i'm not a kernel expert so i'm not sure.17:31
hamagci guess phh would be the best to ask on that one?17:31
diesburgi kno my tiwlan and wpa_supplicant are good cuz i can connect to the ad-hoc network and it works great.... that is until restart and after restart, i get error when trying to start wifi until i re push the files17:31
hamagcNeoMatrixJR: i think 210 and 240 are the only options17:32
hamagcon our deivces 210 is the best setting (240 looks weird) but i would try both on yours17:32
hamagci know there was some talk yesterday about making some changes for your device on this level17:32
hamagcbrb17:32
diesburgwhether wifi is on or connected in win mobile b4 i start android, will that affect anything?17:33
NeoMatrixJR?!17:33
diesburgif i can figure this out, im gonna make a detailed guide on getting ad-hoc networks to work in xdandroid for other ppl to use17:33
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diesburgoh yea, just so u kno... when i first startup android and the wifi doesnt work, if i pull the files to my pc, they are correct, they havent been overwritten, they are still the modified files but for some reason it wont work till i repush, maybe a permission thing or something?17:36
diesburgwont let me mount without the -t17:42
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diesburgis there any other way to get tiwlan and wpa_supplicant to the device so this will work? im using adb push and pull and wont work after restarts, im kind of new to this so im not sure about other ways to do it17:53
diesburgdroidexplorer?17:54
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stinebdhmm18:07
hamagcgood night guys18:08
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stinebdlots of spambots trying to infiltrate the wiki18:25
stinebdglad i made it privileged18:26
stinebdsome funny usernames like buyviagrahk101318:26
stinebdand this crazy one GlemSom18:26
stinebdoh wait18:26
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zycholol19:04
phhlol19:05
TheDeadCPUlol19:05
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stinebdooh19:45
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stinebdok i only had to sign 3 things from the gapps package19:55
stinebdso location works (and google backup which was also apparently broken)19:56
stinebdhdpi is good19:56
stinebdvoice search works, nice19:57
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stinebdhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/10/01/blindtype-acquired-by-google-android-typists-grin-uncontrollabl/21:03
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stinebdhey i think i might've gotten somewhere on bug #1921:19
xdandroidBug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19 critical, High, ---, developers, NEW, Boot loop on first boot (fresh data.img)21:19
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stinebdgonna need some testers for this just to make sure21:39
stinebdwoo look at that, bug #4 too21:42
xdandroidBug http://bugs.xdandroid.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4 normal, Normal, ---, stinebd, ASSIGNED, Buttons cut off in the open call menu.21:42
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hamagcReady?23:22
hamagcThere is also that awesome part of the forums you can post it for testers23:23
hamagcGroups23:23
stinebdi don't do no forums23:24
stinebdi posted it to some bugs23:24
stinebdaww i put one of the wrong bugs in the filename23:24
hamagcLol. You posted it to bug tracker?23:25
stinebdhttp://files.xdandroid.com/system-pre-FRX02-bugs-2-3-4-14.ext2.zip23:25
stinebdyeah23:25
stinebdnot as an attachment23:25
stinebdthose are limited to something like 2mb23:25
hamagcI see. Ill dl it. No PC so it'll take me a few lol23:26
stinebdfixed the phone app maybe23:26
stinebdof course anybody with a hvga screen would get bigass menus23:27
stinebdbut who cares23:27
hamagcI saw what did you do?23:27
stinebdhttp://gitorious.org/xdandroid-eclair/xdandroid-packages_apps_phone/commit/7e9aa0f787ea31aafe1c860a9199481776b98ac423:27
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stinebdi heard you like pixels so i added some pixels so you can pixel while you pixel23:28
hamagcLol awesome. Didn't know that was an option23:28
stinebdi haven't added that to the manifest yet23:28
hamagcBe back23:29
neo_is there and implemention using software to transfer pcm voice between radio and the speaker?23:29
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stinebdi have no idea, but gotta doubt it23:32
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