| JesusFreak3162 | I'd recommend installing this though: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=623792 very convenient. | 00:00 |
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| JesusFreak3162 | You're fine. We all were noobs at some time. I'm still somewhat of one when it comes to the under-the-hood stuff. I just know how to use it and set it up. That's what I help people with. | 00:01 |
| jjpeasl | have you ever rooted a phone like a g1 | 00:02 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Nah, far out of my expertise. Why? | 00:03 |
| jjpeasl | lol ive spent like three weeks trying to root my g1 so i can run a diffrent rom on it all with failed atempts lol | 00:04 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Really? It should be pretty easy with how well known that phone is. You tried all the xda tutorials? | 00:04 |
| jjpeasl | sucks because i love the g1 its one of the first android phones but theres no way to update it to 2.2, would say ive tried them all and at this point think i've given up | 00:05 |
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| jjpeasl | hmm after a reboot the browser works | 00:05 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Good. | 00:05 |
| jjpeasl | yes its a great thing, even better that my gf gets an upgrade on her plan in a week witch means i will be getting this one i'm hoping lol | 00:06 |
| jjpeasl | think shes gonna go with the new htc aris i think its called | 00:06 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Is she much of a geek like us? Personally I'd much prefer the galaxy s phone, whatever it's called. | 00:08 |
| bmnbmn | stinebd: you put that music widget on the 4th page to taunt those of us without sound didnt you | 00:08 |
| x2 | bets phone out | 00:08 |
| x2 | epic 4g/galaxy s/ captivate | 00:08 |
| stinebd | bmnbmn: huh? | 00:08 |
| JesusFreak3162 | To me, when you're spending ~$500 on data over two years $200 on a phone isn't a big deal. | 00:08 |
| bmnbmn | in the new system.ext2 | 00:08 |
| stinebd | what music widget? | 00:09 |
| JesusFreak3162 | stinebd: what should the name of the device after typing "adb devices" be? | 00:09 |
| bmnbmn | stinebd: theres a music widget loaded up on my 4th home screen with the new system.ext2 | 00:10 |
| stinebd | JesusFreak3162: good question | 00:10 |
| jjpeasl | i told her that one would be better but shes not that into electronics shes just learning about the android phones | 00:10 |
| JesusFreak3162 | I'm just getting 000000000000 device which seems odd. | 00:10 |
| stinebd | bmnbmn: that would be babijoee's work. my builds are completely vanilla + google | 00:10 |
| jjpeasl | she says its big and goddie lol | 00:11 |
| bmnbmn | stinebd: my mistake | 00:11 |
| JesusFreak3162 | jjpeasl: lol women... | 00:11 |
| x2 | oh F | 00:11 |
| JesusFreak3162 | :) | 00:11 |
| x2 | ohhhh no | 00:11 |
| x2 | stinebd | 00:11 |
| x2 | did you release the new ext2 also? | 00:11 |
| jjpeasl | lol cant live withem and cant live without em | 00:11 |
| x2 | or just bobi | 00:11 |
| x2 | babi | 00:11 |
| bmnbmn | http://htcandroid.xland.cz/XDANDROID.19.8.10.system.ext2.7z | 00:12 |
| bmnbmn | is what i just grabbed | 00:12 |
| stinebd | x2: babijoee is the release engineer, he's been deciding when and how to release the builds. i'm just doing all the source code work | 00:12 |
| stinebd | we'll be collaborating on the final release though, hopefully | 00:12 |
| stinebd | i've got this big red carpet event planned for it | 00:12 |
| JesusFreak3162 | stinebd: We're still in beta? Wow, what do you have left before release? | 00:13 |
| x2 | well guess what | 00:13 |
| x2 | ive got memory leak again on that ext2 | 00:13 |
| x2 | as i always have on his ext2's.. | 00:13 |
| x2 | can you release a version of it like you normally do? | 00:13 |
| bmnbmn | lol | 00:13 |
| stinebd | i normally don't | 00:13 |
| jjpeasl | x2: so should i do the updates to the files that were listed before? | 00:14 |
| stinebd | so sure | 00:14 |
| JesusFreak3162 | I thought I had a memory leak too, but then I just increased the sensitivity of advanced task killer and killed everything and I get back to ~120mb free. | 00:14 |
| stinebd | :/ | 00:14 |
| stinebd | don't do that | 00:14 |
| stinebd | android's lowmemkiller will stop programs as needed to reclaim memory | 00:15 |
| stinebd | i'm strongly opposed to task killers | 00:15 |
| x2 | you say that | 00:15 |
| x2 | and its true, BUT | 00:15 |
| x2 | with the ram leak, it gets to 40MB | 00:15 |
| stinebd | totally normal | 00:15 |
| x2 | and takes about 10 seconds to open apps | 00:15 |
| x2 | which is rediculous and not normal | 00:15 |
| stinebd | i have like 14MB free on my n1 | 00:15 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Yeah, so I hear, but wouldn't more programs in the ram decrease battery life? | 00:15 |
| stinebd | no | 00:16 |
| x2 | hrm | 00:16 |
| stinebd | programs staying resident in memory don't cause battery drain | 00:16 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Well then... | 00:16 |
| stinebd | ram is always on, whether it's a 1 or 0 | 00:16 |
| x2 | those bg apps use CPU | 00:16 |
| JesusFreak3162 | That's true; so they aren't running, just resident in memory? | 00:16 |
| x2 | which decreases battery life | 00:16 |
| x2 | lol | 00:16 |
| jjpeasl | quick question can some one send the link to the updates i needed to do plz | 00:16 |
| stinebd | they only use cpu if they have to do something | 00:17 |
| stinebd | like email checking every half hour | 00:17 |
| stinebd | the other 29 minutes and 40 seconds, it's totally idle | 00:17 |
| x2 | yea | 00:17 |
| bmnbmn | jjpeasl: latest files are on xdandroid.com | 00:17 |
| JesusFreak3162 | I just kill them all just in case I have one running that I forgot about. Is there anything wrong with task killing? | 00:17 |
| stinebd | not inherently | 00:17 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Just useless at worst? | 00:18 |
| stinebd | but a lot of people do it to "save battery", which just ends up using more battery because apps have to reload | 00:18 |
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| stinebd | it's useful in cases where an app goes runaway, which sounds like x2's case | 00:18 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Ok, it just feels weird not killing apps coming from Winmo. I'll try it. | 00:18 |
| x2 | well | 00:18 |
| stinebd | but other than that, it's snake oil | 00:18 |
| x2 | i set it to "low" and hit clear | 00:18 |
| x2 | then it locked up and rebooted lol | 00:19 |
| x2 | now i have 140 frww | 00:19 |
| x2 | :/ | 00:19 |
| x2 | anddd 3g broke | 00:19 |
| x2 | so i have to reboot again yay | 00:19 |
| x2 | 3g always breaks now.. whats the deal with that? It shows connected but when trying to use data only the upload light shows, and no download. | 00:19 |
| x2 | Only way to fix it so far is a reboot | 00:19 |
| stinebd | cdma? | 00:20 |
| JesusFreak3162 | stinebd: Is there anything new on the camera side of things? | 00:21 |
| stinebd | JesusFreak3162: you'll know when there's something new by the flood of donations | 00:22 |
| bmnbmn | whoa Activity Settings just took a dump on me | 00:22 |
| stinebd | (i joke) | 00:22 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Heh, lol. Wish I had money to donate. :/ | 00:22 |
| stinebd | bzo was working on getting camera going and it sounds like he made pretty good progress on hardware initialization. he's still fighting with userland though | 00:22 |
| JesusFreak3162 | But seriously, last I heard everything seemed right but it just refused to work. | 00:23 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Or that. :) | 00:23 |
| stinebd | phh was oddly optimistic about it | 00:23 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Yeah, I think it was him saying that. | 00:24 |
| stinebd | userland is where the bulk of the magic happens | 00:25 |
| bzo | I'm not sure if I'm one step away or 100 :/ | 00:25 |
| stinebd | kernel just sets up things like registers, gpios and detonators | 00:25 |
| bzo | but I'm pretty sure I'm ahead from where I started | 00:25 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Like running a marathone blind? ;) | 00:25 |
| JesusFreak3162 | *marathon* | 00:25 |
| bzo | I think you would have a better sense of how far you were | 00:26 |
| JesusFreak3162 | I was thinking that too. I tried. :) | 00:26 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Honestly, that and the fill rate bug are the only too annoyances I still have. Battery is actually pretty good for me now. | 00:27 |
| bzo | maybe being blindfolded and waiting in suspense for stinebd to spork you | 00:27 |
| bzo | luckily, I have one pass to no be sporked by stinebd | 00:27 |
| JesusFreak3162 | You wouldn't be waiting too long, I bet. | 00:27 |
| stinebd | and then i surprise you with a foon | 00:27 |
| x2 | yea stinebd, CDMA | 00:27 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Reminds me of the nameless mod for deus ex. Ever play it? There's too cults each one using either the foon or spork exclusively. | 00:28 |
| JesusFreak3162 | *two* Gah, I know how to spell but not type. | 00:29 |
| stinebd | x2: cdma is one of the unexplained mysteries of the universe, thus the wild instability of your modem | 00:29 |
| x2 | lmao :p | 00:29 |
| JesusFreak3162 | How many of the core devs use cdma, if any? | 00:29 |
| stinebd | nowadays, approximately zero | 00:29 |
| bmnbmn | by the way, i just powered off my rhod400, and the lcd backlight is still on along with a gree notification light | 00:29 |
| bmnbmn | which turns amber when i press the end call button | 00:29 |
| bmnbmn | neato | 00:30 |
| bzo | well, zero out of zero devs really | 00:30 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Ah, and I heard graceful shutdown was added to the newest sytem, is that true? I get sick of fsck running evry startup. | 00:30 |
| stinebd | shutdown yes, graceful no | 00:30 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Difference? | 00:30 |
| stinebd | graceful would be if the sdcard could unmount | 00:30 |
| bmnbmn | JesusFreak3162: it shutdown yesterday :O | 00:30 |
| bzo | yeah, I wouldn't call turning off the vreg graceful | 00:30 |
| stinebd | more graceful than it was :P | 00:31 |
| bmnbmn | oh wait haha i forgot to hit the OK button, ignore everything i said im an idiot | 00:31 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Well, that would be difficult wouldn't it, considering it runs off of sd. Does it require fsck on next boot though; that's all I care about. | 00:31 |
| stinebd | the ol' battery yank | 00:31 |
| bmnbmn | got sidetracked by the internet | 00:31 |
| bzo | I suppose our reset trick before was equivalent to doing a hard reset on a PC | 00:31 |
| stinebd | so why isn't turning off the vreg graceful? | 00:32 |
| bzo | isn't that like pulling the plug? | 00:33 |
| stinebd | at the end of kernel shutdown, that's what you should do | 00:33 |
| bzo | why isn't everything flushed by that point though? | 00:33 |
| stinebd | android's fault | 00:34 |
| stinebd | on the kernel side, it's as graceful as anything else would be | 00:34 |
| bzo | ok | 00:34 |
| stinebd | especially compared to what it was doing on raph/diam (after the failed reboot attempt, the final remaining kernel thread enters an infinite loop) | 00:35 |
| bzo | there is a dex call that is supposed to shut down, but maybe behind the scenes that's all it does anyways | 00:35 |
| stinebd | pretty much | 00:35 |
| stinebd | you can see the code in pm.c | 00:35 |
| stinebd | userland is responsible for unmounting or remounting-ro the filesystems | 00:36 |
| stinebd | android (and our setup) is too stupid to handle that if it doesn't work the first time (ie. with sdcard, which still has mounted loopback filesystems within it) | 00:36 |
| stinebd | traditional linux distributions, as a last resort, would killall everything and mount -o remount,ro those filesystems | 00:37 |
| bzo | if nand boot gets usable, perhaps that will be easier to deal with | 00:37 |
| stinebd | well partitions in general solve the problem | 00:37 |
| stinebd | sdcard partitions bring up a metric fartload of other problems though | 00:38 |
| bzo | I'm not too eager to kill my sdcard myself | 00:38 |
| stinebd | not that kind of problem | 00:38 |
| stinebd | the users on xda trying to manage those partitions kind of problems | 00:39 |
| stinebd | some of us can barely manage to breathe at times | 00:39 |
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| bzo | there is certainly plenty of cluelessness even with the lopback setup | 00:40 |
| bzo | loopback | 00:40 |
| jjpeasl | just wanted to log back in and thank you guys for the support, kodos to x2 stinebd, Jesus and anyone else that helped with the install of android on the tilt thanks again, will probly be back to chat | 00:41 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Looking at logcat after I started linux installer doesn't show anything about missing su in system/xbin or anything like that. :/ | 00:41 |
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| JesusFreak3162 | You're very welcome. | 00:42 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Anyone else want to try installing that program? | 00:42 |
| jjpeasl | you guys have a good night time for a quick nap for 2 hrs then off to work gotta love it. thanks once again | 00:43 |
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| XirXes | hey im trying to telnet into my rhod and i need some help. | 00:45 |
| XirXes | I can run the process through busybox and even connect to it through wifi but it i cant login | 00:46 |
| stinebd | add -l /bin/sh | 00:46 |
| stinebd | to telnetd's arguments | 00:47 |
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| stinebd | mmm release-keys | 00:52 |
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| bmnbmn | looking forward to live update | 00:53 |
| stinebd | don't hold your breath | 00:54 |
| bmnbmn | and everyone raping your bandwidth | 00:54 |
| stinebd | how is it any different than now? | 00:54 |
| bmnbmn | its live! | 00:54 |
| stinebd | someone made a live update program for winmo | 00:54 |
| lilsnoop | anyone know why my browser and gmail app keep crashing on my Raph110(fuze) - running cyanongen mod from neopeek with latest kernel | 00:54 |
| stinebd | it downloaded rootfs-latest.zip continuously | 00:54 |
| bmnbmn | blaming reefermattness for the end of the xdandroid project | 00:55 |
| stinebd | we've got plenty of bandwidth so don't worry | 00:59 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Someone made a live updater for Winmo? When? I heard DaG was working on it, but never heard it finished. Why don't more rom chefs use it then? | 01:00 |
| bmnbmn | stinebd: just joking around | 01:00 |
| stinebd | that was a long time ago | 01:00 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Or do you mean a winmo live updater for android zImage, rootfs, etc? | 01:00 |
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| uriahheep | hello | 01:03 |
| uriahheep | ...when building froyo, if it complains about using the wrong java version (i.e. requiring jdk5 instead of jdk6) is it possible to allow the use of jdk6, or has this requirement usually been set for a good reason? | 01:03 |
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| hamagc | Ok I have a mostly working raph800 that's got no use. Stinebd any use to you? | 01:04 |
| stinebd | don't know. i don't have a cdma subscription though | 01:05 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Is that the Sprint version? | 01:05 |
| hamagc | Acyually I have 2 but one of the screens doesn't work and I don't know if anything else works | 01:05 |
| hamagc | Powers on though | 01:06 |
| JesusFreak3162 | Or at least not the crappy, low ram Raph 500 cdma one. | 01:06 |
| hamagc | Jesus ya | 01:06 |
| x2 | lol | 01:06 |
| x2 | raph500 is VZ | 01:06 |
| hamagc | Hmm well the good one the power button is broken | 01:06 |
| hamagc | If you think you can use them for dev ill send it to you. Let me know tomorroww. | 01:07 |
| hamagc | Nite guys | 01:07 |
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| XirXes | that | 01:20 |
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| XirXes | I tried that and it didnt work. the command im trying is #busybox telnetd -l /bin/sh -p 4444. Its connecting but I dont know what to log in with. | 01:58 |
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| stinebd | **errno 30 | 02:14 |
| xdandroid | stinebd: EROFS (#30): Read-only file system | 02:14 |
| stinebd | oh right | 02:14 |
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| babijoee | hrmmm someone saying that i placed music on there on purpose... its the default layout. | 05:59 |
| babijoee | -.-" we aren't rubbing anything in to devices that have no sound :p | 05:59 |
| babijoee | okay got that off my chest :p | 06:00 |
| babijoee | off to play sc2 | 06:07 |
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| bmnbmn | babijoee, was just kidding around | 06:09 |
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| hamagc | good morning guys! | 11:51 |
| babijoee | hey hamagc | 11:52 |
| hamagc | hey babijoee | 11:52 |
| hamagc | stinebdbzo was working on getting camera going and it sounds like he made pretty good progress on hardware initialization. he's still fighting with userland though | 11:53 |
| hamagc | is this right? | 11:53 |
| hamagc | babijoee, lastnight i told stinebd that i have a mostly working raph800 that i can mail out to any one of the devs if any are interested in having a test device | 11:55 |
| hamagc | everything works for the most part but the power button | 11:55 |
| hamagc | but i was able to reflash it and boot android on it so it may be useful for dev work if you know of anyone that can make use of it | 11:55 |
| babijoee | i see | 11:56 |
| babijoee | dont think any of us need a test device | 11:56 |
| babijoee | but thanks for the offer | 11:56 |
| babijoee | raph800 = cdma? | 11:56 |
| hamagc | ya | 11:57 |
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| hamagc | ok so if bzo got camera init working, has it been pushed yet? | 12:18 |
| hamagc | i'd love to play with the userland stuff | 12:18 |
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| phh | camera init works for diam100 in camera branch | 12:21 |
| hamagc | no raph init? | 12:23 |
| phh | should be the same | 12:27 |
| hamagc | k, i take it thats not in the current build so i would have to build it? | 12:27 |
| hamagc | oh and phh, any use for a raph800? | 12:28 |
| phh | no | 12:28 |
| hamagc | k | 12:28 |
| phh | well | 12:28 |
| phh | yeah no. | 12:28 |
| hamagc | lol k | 12:28 |
| hamagc | i'll see if bzo can use it, if not i'll see if neopeek can | 12:28 |
| hamagc | how can we spoof our useragent in messaging? | 12:35 |
| hamagc | from dzo: | 12:36 |
| hamagc | Android does now support cdma sms natively so by making the ril report that it's a cdma phone you could have working mms. I'm not sure if cdma mms is supported but it's worth a try. I can't test any of this because my provider sends an sms with a link for all incoming mms. | 12:36 |
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| JesusFreak316 | Hey guys, specifically stinebd since I talked with you last night, I am trying to use an app called linux installer to set up debian in android but it isn't recognizing root. I sent the dev an email about it and this is his response: | 12:54 |
| JesusFreak316 | Hi, I never tested your situation for my application! But, my application, test root by executing some commands. You can see these commands into logcat at the first lunch (after a reboot) of the application. In general, this is ‘su –c id’ and ‘suroot –c id’ and return must by gid and uid = 0. The ‘su’ binary must be into your PATH. D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): MyID is | 12:54 |
| JesusFreak316 | I checked logcat after the program started and it says my uid and gid are 10078 and groups=3003. After that is says my uid and gid are 0, as it should be for root. Why would it show both? | 12:55 |
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| hamagc | gah@! | 13:24 |
| hamagc | ok spoofing useragent doesn't seem to help. i'm going to grab a cdma hero mms.apk and try that | 13:29 |
| hamagc | woot!!!!! | 13:36 |
| hamagc | i got somewhere!!! | 13:36 |
| hamagc | i sent an mms and i got a forceclose on the procses.com.android.mms | 13:37 |
| hamagc | that means the mms came in!!!! | 13:37 |
| hamagc | bzo: any use for a mostly working raph800? | 13:37 |
| hamagc | and would you mind if i played with your build that has camera init working? | 13:37 |
| hamagc | i think i may be able to do something in userland | 13:38 |
| hamagc | lol thats about the only thing i can do is in userland | 13:38 |
| bzo | minimally. My diam500 is almost the same as the raph800 | 13:38 |
| hamagc | almost | 13:38 |
| hamagc | but i have a spare one with no use so i figured i would ask the devs if anyone could use it | 13:38 |
| hamagc | so far no one wants it lol | 13:38 |
| bzo | I haven't put out a patch yet because I'm not sure if I'm talking to the dsp yet | 13:38 |
| bzo | I've tried different offsets with the same result meaning that the QCAMTASK dsp may or may not be pointing to the right place | 13:39 |
| bzo | and that may be why init is not getting further | 13:39 |
| hamagc | hmm, well when your ready or a patch i have some ideas on userland stuff to try out to get something working | 13:40 |
| hamagc | ok back to working on mms | 13:40 |
| hamagc | hopefully i can get this squared out today | 13:40 |
| bzo | if you're trying to find a use for your raph, I would say put me just one priority higher than the trash. Maybe there is someone else that can use it or maybe you can get some $ for it? | 13:42 |
| hamagc | lol ok. i wouldn't want any cash for it. i wouldn't call it in usable shape but would work for dev use. i'm going to see if makk can use it, and if not maybe neopeek | 13:43 |
| hamagc | would make a great test device for nand testing | 13:43 |
| hamagc | ok so using the hero mms.apk, if i spook to a blackberry 8800 i get forceclose, if i don't spook i get nothing but the changing icon | 13:44 |
| bzo | true, always ideal to do that kind of testing on something you don't care about bricking | 13:44 |
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| hamagc | odd i seem to have reverted. now i'm back to nothing. | 14:15 |
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| hamagc | ok now i'm lost. | 14:30 |
| hamagc | repeated all my steps and i can not get it to force close when a msg comes in | 14:30 |
| hamagc | all if does it drop to edge and back to 3g again | 14:31 |
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| hamagc | E/RILC ( 176): RIL_onRequestComplete: invalid RIL_Token | 14:35 |
| hamagc | whats this mean? | 14:35 |
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| mes | does anyone know how to modify files included in the xdandroid build without breaking repo? | 14:37 |
| hamagc | adb? | 14:39 |
| mes | adb? you would use that to remove files from system.ext2? | 14:41 |
| hamagc | what are you trying to remove/add? | 14:43 |
| hamagc | you can use something like root explorer, terminal, or adb | 14:43 |
| mes | if I modify device/xdandroid/msm/device_msm.mk, repo won't sync | 14:44 |
| mes | the included file is the boot animation, but it is a more general problem than that | 14:44 |
| hamagc | i see, thats a ? for phh i believe | 14:45 |
| phh | no it's not | 14:46 |
| TheDeadCPU | phh, isn't even here. | 14:46 |
| phh | no i'm not | 14:46 |
| mes | also I noticed that changes to vendor/xdandroid/msm/device_msm-vendor-blobs.mk are not tracked by the build system | 14:46 |
| hamagc | is that a stinebd question? | 14:47 |
| mes | soo, somewhere there should be a tree specific file to add or remove file from the image built | 14:48 |
| mes | one that is not tracked by the versioning system | 14:48 |
| mes | like buildspec.mk ? | 14:49 |
| mes | I wish I had more time to look at the 8.5gigs of mess, but right now I have a phone that won't ring because of some file system damage to data.img as a result of no proper shutdown | 14:51 |
| mes | so wifey thinks I'm avoiding her by not answering the phone, and I have even less time :) | 14:53 |
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| reverendkjr | I only use edge. no 3g | 14:56 |
| reverendkjr | if i use a 2g/3g switcher | 14:56 |
| reverendkjr | shouldn't my edge still work? | 14:56 |
| mes | phh, do you know can android mount the internal flash? | 15:19 |
| phh | sure | 15:19 |
| phh | but it doesn't know wimo's FS | 15:19 |
| phh | but if it's yaffs2, or jffs2, yes | 15:20 |
| mes | H'm, it would make setting up a real ext2 system if the kernel and haret could be put on internal storage that wimo can access | 15:20 |
| mes | i/easier/ | 15:20 |
| mes | what fs does wimo use? | 15:21 |
| phh | kernel and haret can be put in internal storage | 15:22 |
| TheDeadCPU | I just found a SCSI DB68 Harddrive in my room. | 15:22 |
| phh | since it's wince who does the read | 15:22 |
| phh | not linux | 15:22 |
| mes | yes, I've put them there, but if the sdcard is all ext2, I can't mount it as usb mass storage on my laptop | 15:23 |
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| phh | and ... ? | 15:24 |
| mes | I should explain, I don't use windows, so the only usb access to the system is to mount it as mass storage when the phone is running wimo | 15:25 |
| mes | I have not setup adb, though I do have the sdk now | 15:25 |
| phh | ok | 15:25 |
| mes | if linux on the phone could mount the internal storage, even sshd could be used to update the device | 15:26 |
| mes | as simple as rsync | 15:26 |
| phh | if you want to be able to update, just add a little fat32 on the sdcard ... ? | 15:28 |
| mes | seems like wasted space to me | 15:29 |
| phh | ok. | 15:29 |
| phh | I don't feel like 32MB on a sdcard is much | 15:34 |
| phh | but well | 15:34 |
| mes | sounds like it's something called "Object Store" | 15:34 |
| mes | thank you, MS | 15:34 |
| phh | huhu | 15:34 |
| phh | funny one | 15:34 |
| stinebd | neat, found my old nokia 5165 | 15:35 |
| TheDeadCPU | I'm holding my Nokia 5610 atm lol | 15:35 |
| TheDeadCPU | I want to use it. | 15:35 |
| hamagc | ok i don't know what i did or how i "fixed" it but i was playing with mms.apk's from different builds trying to get cdma mms to work | 15:42 |
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| hamagc | i got it to a point where when an mms came in it crashed mms.apk which is the closeest i have seen it to coming in | 15:42 |
| hamagc | but now i can't get back to that point | 15:42 |
| TheDeadCPU | GSM<3 | 15:42 |
| hamagc | and mms does nothign again :( | 15:42 |
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| TheDeadCPU | *pewpew* | 16:08 |
| hamagc | http://pastebin.com/6j7dC9xT | 16:09 |
| hamagc | ok there is the log with an mms coming in and mms.apk crashing | 16:10 |
| hamagc | incase anyone can give me a clue on what to do next | 16:10 |
| TheDeadCPU | Get a GSM phone. | 16:10 |
| hamagc | lol | 16:12 |
| TheDeadCPU | stinebd would agree. | 16:13 |
| hamagc | i'm sure he would. but all the raph800, raph500, diam500, and diam(verizon) users would much rather mms work than switch carriers | 16:14 |
| heavymetalmage | hamagc: don't feel too bad, i know what it's like to have cdma :( | 16:14 |
| x2 | <3 cdma | 16:15 |
| hamagc | we have a good size cdma following but damnit this crap is annoying when it doesn't want to work right | 16:15 |
| phh | xdandroid: errno 3 | 16:15 |
| xdandroid | phh: ESRCH (#3): No such process | 16:15 |
| x2 | </3 touch pro/ other non android slow phones | 16:15 |
| hamagc | using an mms.apk from hero 2.1 causes it to crash when an mms comes in | 16:16 |
| hamagc | using anything else just ignores the mms | 16:16 |
| hamagc | so i think i'm getting somewhere | 16:16 |
| hamagc | i hope | 16:16 |
| heavymetalmage | are you using the CDMA generic apn or do you have the settings for your carrier? | 16:17 |
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| hamagc | both, spint uses the generic apn but we have mmsc settings that allow us to send mms | 16:18 |
| hamagc | just haven't actually received one yet | 16:18 |
| TheDeadCPU | hamagc, have you read this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627388 | 16:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | Might be relevant | 16:20 |
| hamagc | lol the better question is did you read it? | 16:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | nope | 16:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 16:20 |
| hamagc | lol i figured | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | it was something about Sprint and MMS and Android on Vogue lol | 16:21 |
| hamagc | lol ya i've got posts all over that thread | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | And then something about Verizon | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | lol | 16:21 |
| hamagc | the problem is vogue gets a weblink. | 16:21 |
| hamagc | we have true mms | 16:21 |
| hamagc | so their mms is fully working | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | oh | 16:22 |
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| TheDeadCPU | To stoned and/or tired to use my brain anyways. | 16:22 |
| hamagc | lol | 16:22 |
| bmnbmn | hamagc: dont forget that sprint will do PictureMail links on devices that dont officially support "MMS" | 16:23 |
| bmnbmn | when upgrading to the Palm Pre or Touch Pro 2, my account was able to then send and receive proper MMS | 16:24 |
| hamagc | ya i know. i called yesterday and was advised that it was not something they could do on their end since my device natively supports true mms | 16:24 |
| hamagc | lol this was after their chat support told me that the tp1 doesn't support true mms and i should be getting weblinks now | 16:25 |
| hamagc | i lol'd | 16:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | I lol off all American cellular providers. | 16:25 |
| stinebd | as do most americans | 16:26 |
| bmnbmn | thats bullshit that its not on their end | 16:26 |
| hamagc | that was my thought too. | 16:26 |
| bmnbmn | I'll be honest with you | 16:26 |
| bmnbmn | I put a Palm Pre on my SERO account, with my Touch Pro as my activate phone and was unable to send MMS | 16:27 |
| hamagc | but in the end it would be much easier to get mms working properly than to have them fix my acct so i can get mms then try to explain to everyone how to get it working too | 16:27 |
| bmnbmn | once I activated a Touch Pro 2 on my account, my Palm Pre was able to send MMS | 16:27 |
| hamagc | ya that sounds like something in provisioning | 16:27 |
| TheDeadCPU | jsdhafosdhlafo | 16:27 |
| bmnbmn | xdandroid: im sorry you had to hear that :( | 16:28 |
| hamagc | lol | 16:28 |
| stinebd | W/asset ( 2517): Asset path /data/app/com.android.mms-1.apk is neither a directory nor file (type=1). | 16:28 |
| hamagc | i think it is on their end but i'm not sure how much control they have over it or if it's automatically setup with some devices to do it via weblink | 16:28 |
| stinebd | thats kinda weird | 16:28 |
| hamagc | i think thats because i replaced the mms.apk, installed it, then replaced with another one | 16:29 |
| hamagc | i ended up with 2 different mms.apk's installed at once | 16:29 |
| hamagc | hence the com.android.mms-1.apk instead of just com.android.mms.apk | 16:29 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:05:54.700 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): mms Received state= CONNECTED, old= CONNECTED, reason= (unspecified), apnTypeList= * is interesting to me | 16:30 |
| hamagc | it sees it but doesn't fetch it | 16:30 |
| hamagc | and i can't tell if thats due to the ril or the apk | 16:30 |
| stinebd | i'm not sure what that message is trying to say actually | 16:31 |
| heavymetalmage | hamagc: i've got a special mms.apk you could try; i would test it myself but i can't get my mms apn settings configured | 16:31 |
| stinebd | apparently state changed from connected to... connected | 16:31 |
| hamagc | lol | 16:31 |
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| hamagc | heavymetalmage, sure i can test it out | 16:32 |
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| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:23.780 I/ActivityManager( 197): Start proc com.android.mms for broadcast com.android.mms/.transaction.SmsReceiver: pid=2517 uid=10000 gids={} | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:23.980 D/NetworkLocationProvider( 197): onDataConnectionStateChanged 1 | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.000 W/asset ( 2517): Asset path /data/app/com.android.mms-1.apk is neither a directory nor file (type=1). | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.040 D/SMS_RIL ( 176): CDMA Message: From:3333 | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.040 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): replacing old mInterfaceName (ppp0) with ppp0 for dun | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.050 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): replacing old mInterfaceName (ppp0) with ppp0 for hipri | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.050 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): replacing old mInterfaceName (ppp0) with ppp0 for supl | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.050 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): mms Received state= CONNECTED, old= CONNECTED, reason= (unspecified), apnTypeList= * | 16:33 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.060 D/MobileDataStateTracker( 197): default Received state= CONNECTED, old= CONNECTED, reason= (unspecified), apnTypeList= * | 16:34 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.090 D/AndroidRuntime( 2517): Shutting down VM | 16:34 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.090 W/dalvikvm( 2517): threadid=1: thread exiting with uncaught exception (group=0x400207f0) | 16:34 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.280 E/AndroidRuntime( 2517): FATAL EXCEPTION: main | 16:34 |
| hamagc | 08-20 13:06:24.280 E/AndroidRuntime( 2517): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate application com.android.mms.MmsApp: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: com.android.mms.MmsApp in loader dalvik.system.PathClassLoader[/data/app/com.android.mms-1.apk] | 16:34 |
| hamagc | woops try again | 16:34 |
| hamagc | i think those msg's are the mms coming in, the apk attemting to retrieve it, and ending with an error (force close on my end) | 16:34 |
| hamagc | :( | 16:35 |
| hamagc | 268k? | 16:35 |
| hamagc | that seems small. | 16:35 |
| hamagc | but i've had one that was 1.5mb | 16:35 |
| hamagc | and one thats 524k | 16:35 |
| heavymetalmage | well | 16:35 |
| heavymetalmage | i said it was special | 16:35 |
| hamagc | lol | 16:36 |
| heavymetalmage | it's from a system dump | 16:36 |
| heavymetalmage | for a samsung acclaim | 16:36 |
| hamagc | try again, maybe we can get it without timing out lol | 16:36 |
| hamagc | k | 16:36 |
| hamagc | download | 16:36 |
| hamagc | come on | 16:36 |
| heavymetalmage | lol | 16:36 |
| heavymetalmage | i've got mms.odex? dunno if you need that | 16:37 |
| stinebd | ouch | 16:37 |
| stinebd | hamagc: you'll have to deodex that | 16:37 |
| heavymetalmage | i'll just 7zip 'em and post them up on the xda forum | 16:38 |
| bmnbmn | E/TransactionSettings( 1482): Invalid APN setting: MMSC is empty | 16:41 |
| bmnbmn | oh no | 16:41 |
| heavymetalmage | should be up | 16:41 |
| hamagc | bmnbmn: mmsc setting is hhtp://mms.sprintpcs.com | 16:43 |
| bmnbmn | I should probably read the thread | 16:44 |
| hamagc | isn't in the xda thread, i have that posted on the ppcg thread | 16:45 |
| hamagc | where does the mms.odex go? | 16:45 |
| heavymetalmage | <stinebd>hamagc: you'll have to deodex that | 16:46 |
| hamagc | hmm how do i do that? something other than baksmali? | 16:52 |
| hamagc | something i can do in android or windows? i don't have livecd with me today | 16:52 |
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| stinebd | definitely can't do it in android | 16:53 |
| hamagc | adb shell BOOTCLASSPATH=$BOOTCLASSPATH:/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar deodexerant blah.odex 1234 &????? | 16:55 |
| hamagc | obviously with different files names | 16:55 |
| hamagc | god damned flakey adb | 16:57 |
| hamagc | 2 seconds and i lose connection | 16:57 |
| stinebd | deodexerant is just the old thing that baksmali used to get odex information from dalvik | 16:58 |
| stinebd | baksmali itself would still be needed to assemble a deodexed apk | 16:58 |
| stinebd | baksmali is a java app anyway so i would imagine it could run in windows | 16:59 |
| JesusFreak316 | Hey guys, specifically stinebd since I talked with you last night, I am trying to use an app called linux installer to set up debian in android but it isn't recognizing root. I sent the dev an email about it and this is his response: | 16:59 |
| JesusFreak316 | Hi, I never tested your situation for my application! But, my application, test root by executing some commands. You can see these commands into logcat at the first lunch (after a reboot) of the application. In general, this is ‘su –c id’ and ‘suroot –c id’ and return must by gid and uid = 0. The ‘su’ binary must be into your PATH. D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): MyID is | 16:59 |
| stinebd | i saw that before | 16:59 |
| JesusFreak316 | I checked logcat after the program started and it says my uid and gid are 10078 and groups=3003. After that is says my uid and gid are 0, as it should be for root. Why would it show both? | 16:59 |
| stinebd | the big long line appears to have been cut off | 16:59 |
| stinebd | The ‘su’ binary must be into your PATH. D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): MyID is | 16:59 |
| stinebd | (the end) | 17:00 |
| JesusFreak316 | D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): MyID is uid=10038(app_38) gid=10038(app_38) groups=3003(inet) This seems isn’t rooted. D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): MyID is uid=0(root) gid=0(root) D/LinuxInstaller -> CoreTask( 1584): ROOT OK with su -c "command" Here, this seems you have root, and the application find it. Regards. | 17:00 |
| JesusFreak316 | How about now? | 17:00 |
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| stinebd | suroot? | 17:01 |
| JesusFreak316 | I wasn't sure what that was either. | 17:01 |
| JesusFreak316 | Btw, just used titanium backup so root definitely works for me. | 17:02 |
| stinebd | is that app open source? | 17:02 |
| stinebd | http://android.galoula.com/en/LinuxInstall/ < this? | 17:03 |
| JesusFreak316 | Don't think so. I was thinking that too. That's it. | 17:03 |
| JesusFreak316 | It's essentially a really convenient script as far as I can see. | 17:04 |
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| bmnbmn | hamagc: your device is a Touch Pro? | 17:31 |
| hamagc | yes sir | 17:31 |
| bmnbmn | oh ok | 17:31 |
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| bmnbmn | hamagc: so I guess we need some kind of fancy new mms.apk | 17:40 |
| lilsnoop | cool, I shutdown my raph110 via android and it actually turned the phone off - first time ever | 17:40 |
| hamagc | i dunno lol i'm still trying to deodex the apk from heavymetal | 17:40 |
| bmnbmn | Connection settings on my HTC Supersonic; Name: Production, MMSC: http://mms.sprintpcs.com, MMS proxy: (not set), MMS port: (not set), MMS protocol: WAP 2.0 | 17:44 |
| bmnbmn | make that EVO 4G | 17:44 |
| bmnbmn | either way | 17:46 |
| hamagc | ok i give up on this odex crap | 17:49 |
| hamagc | i have an auto deodexer that doesn't work | 17:50 |
| hamagc | scripts to deodex it on the phone that won't work with 2.0 or higher | 17:50 |
| hamagc | everything shows me how to deodex a rom | 17:51 |
| hamagc | i don't need to dedex a rom, jsut an apk and odex file | 17:52 |
| hamagc | wtf? | 17:52 |
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| heavymetalmage | hamagc: not sure if this tool will help http://jf.andblogs.net/2009/09/10/slay-those-pesky-odex-files/ | 18:02 |
| hamagc | ehh not really | 18:03 |
| hamagc | looking at ultimatex right now | 18:03 |
| heavymetalmage | all this work, i hope this work for you | 18:05 |
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| hamagc | nothing :( stupid odex | 18:09 |
| hamagc | i keep getting the error missing core.odex | 18:09 |
| hamagc | but i'm getting ready to go home now | 18:10 |
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| bmnbmn | welp, I can send MMS on my rhod400, but not receive | 18:15 |
| bmnbmn | good times | 18:16 |
| stinebd | 15% warning at 15:15 | 18:16 |
| stinebd | lots of 1s and 5s | 18:16 |
| phh | lol | 18:16 |
| phh | lots of 15. | 18:16 |
| x2 | 15:15 must be with 99% in deep sleep | 18:17 |
| x2 | lol | 18:17 |
| stinebd | i spent most of that sleeping, yes | 18:18 |
| x2 | lol | 18:19 |
| x2 | :p | 18:19 |
| x2 | lucky | 18:19 |
| hamagc | ok guys i'm done for today | 18:21 |
| hamagc | hopefully i don't get fired lol but i'm going home | 18:21 |
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