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| touchpro | hyc sorry to bug you but if you get a chance can you look at this, http://pastebin.com/S2jzxMV2 (logcat from your first ril test on vogue, cdma mode activated, cannot use newer ril because it reboots phone) i cant get it to connect to a network at all, it just polls until the battery dies | 03:04 |
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| touchpro | thanks in advance | 03:05 |
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| emwe | stinebd: [stinebd] just don't commit anything in su <<< ahem?! dunno really if i like that dirty hack. | 03:22 |
| emwe | stinebd: regarding the aosp merges, ok to be pushed later today? i got the build up and running since yesterday. | 03:22 |
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| smiley- | did have more look on that battery status | 04:21 |
| smiley- | looks like there is a JNI binding in android | 04:21 |
| smiley- | written in cpp | 04:21 |
| smiley- | it scans the powersup directory and picks the first directory it finds that has battery info | 04:22 |
| smiley- | the htc driver always gets selected no matter of the name | 04:22 |
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| hyc | that pastebin you linked (19:15:47) arrrghhh: http://pastebin.com/qaadUQ8F is not the ril I uploaded. It still has the bug that the new ril patched. | 06:26 |
| hyc | touchpro: looks like Vogue doesn't support some of the AT commands the new RIL uses | 06:29 |
| hyc | Will need a radiolog from winmo to see what commands to use instead. | 06:29 |
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| hyc | arrrghhh: try downloading ril2-test again. | 06:35 |
| hyc | I've updated the build timestamp on it, so the version string should be perfectly obvious now | 06:35 |
| hyc | 2011-07-31 | 06:36 |
| emwe | hyc: haha. i also whondered about the old timestamp. | 07:00 |
| emwe | hyc: btw, your changes are purely CDMA related and don't interfere with any GSM code, right? | 07:00 |
| emwe | smiley-: ah.... make sure htc_battery_smem.c driver is not probed for kovsky. if (machien_is_htckovsky()) return -EWHATEVER; | 07:01 |
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| D3tul3 | hyc, this on frx06+ with the test ril...the log cycled over the radio timestamp but i read it at 07-31.... | 09:10 |
| D3tul3 | http://pastebin.com/CbQWaSu6 | 09:10 |
| D3tul3 | at least it didn't cycle over INCOMMING_MISSED | 09:10 |
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| smiley- | emwe: yeah I guessed it must be something like that.. strange that it's not done in alex branch.. | 09:59 |
| smiley- | emwe: gotta read up on kernel hacking a bit more.. | 10:00 |
| smiley- | about 13-14 years of linux server management. so it's about time to look deeper into this ;) | 10:00 |
| emwe | smiley-: his tree - as "mine" is based on googles android-msm-2.6.35 which contains no code about oru devices at all. as alex just supports kovsky in his tree, he didn't add htc_battery_smem.c as he doesn't need it. that's why it "works" there. | 10:05 |
| smiley- | It's from the 2.6.29 branch | 10:07 |
| smiley- | actually I did try the battery driver from 2.6.35 and it works | 10:08 |
| smiley- | http://gitorious.org/~ast/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/alex-linux-xperia/commits/htc-msm-2.6.27 | 10:08 |
| smiley- | not sure I can skip the smem driver completly | 10:10 |
| smiley- | since the battery driver doesnt provide the usb and ac stuff | 10:11 |
| smiley- | it has some htckovsky_battery_id_detection methods | 10:11 |
| emwe | as alex goes without taht stuff in his .35 battsmem can likely be skipped for kovs | 10:12 |
| smiley- | I will have a look at it later.. when I'm back at work from vacation and have time ;) | 10:12 |
| smiley- | ok | 10:12 |
| emwe | but the board file has some specific battery setup there | 10:12 |
| smiley- | yeah | 10:12 |
| emwe | then enjoy your vacation. :) | 10:13 |
| emwe | bbl | 10:14 |
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| smiley- | emwe: woho.. got 30 mins time in my man cave ;) looks like it shows the correct battery info in the status bar now | 11:11 |
| emwe | smiley-: congrats! | 11:12 |
| emwe | so if you are working against .27, i think it wouldn't hurt to get these patches into the autobuild then if all is fine | 11:12 |
| emwe | what kernels are the kovskyers running these days? | 11:12 |
| emwe | autobuild or some custom ones? | 11:12 |
| smiley- | custom ones.. from March | 11:13 |
| smiley- | tried to contact the guys working on them but with no sucess | 11:13 |
| emwe | well, then how about improving the autobuild one? ;) | 11:15 |
| smiley- | hehe ;) | 11:16 |
| smiley- | yeah | 11:16 |
| smiley- | still stuff to do it looks like | 11:16 |
| emwe | likely | 11:16 |
| smiley- | adb was interupted when the screen did shutdown | 11:16 |
| smiley- | and now I can't connect again | 11:16 |
| smiley- | probably because it doesn't know it's on ac | 11:16 |
| smiley- | (since ac and usb is missing now) | 11:16 |
| emwe | aha | 11:16 |
| smiley- | status says "Not charging" but it is | 11:20 |
| smiley- | atleast I can see the % left now :) | 11:20 |
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| smiley- | emwe: can the usb and ac part of the smem driver be used while the ds-2746 provides battery? | 11:38 |
| emwe | no idea right now how that stuff works. but perhaps you can make up seomthing from the .35 tree? | 11:39 |
| emwe | wasn't there an ac detection gpio? or something? | 11:40 |
| emwe | then it's just about updating the state for one of the power devices? | 11:40 |
| emwe | i dunno the details. sorry. | 11:40 |
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| smiley- | emwe: no problem :) | 12:52 |
| smiley- | it shows charging now when it's charging | 12:52 |
| emwe | ;) | 12:52 |
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| emwe | congrats. | 12:54 |
| smiley- | also it needs to be plugged into the wall charger while booting otherwise it doesnt charge | 12:55 |
| smiley- | but by looking at the panel code alex wrote for 2.6.35 it seems to be possible to solve | 12:55 |
| smiley- | anyway.. main problem with the kernels for the kovsky is first the smd_tty bug and then keypad drivers fails after sleep from time to time | 12:56 |
| smiley- | the later one seems to come from the last refactoring he did on the 2.6.27 kernel | 12:56 |
| emwe | smd_tty still for kovsky? | 12:59 |
| emwe | thought that was solved. | 12:59 |
| smiley- | it is solved | 12:59 |
| smiley- | but not with the ones that people uses | 12:59 |
| smiley- | since the last update there was in march | 12:59 |
| smiley- | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978309 | 12:59 |
| emwe | ah ok. | 13:08 |
| emwe | you are in the luxury position to fix autobuild state then ;) | 13:08 |
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| smiley- | and now it did sod | 13:31 |
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| hyc | emwe: my change is generic but I've already tested gsm on my rhod210 | 14:49 |
| hyc | D3tul3: thanks, looks like it worked fine. | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | hyc: sorry i haven't tested that new RIL :/ | 15:02 |
| emwe | hyc: i was asking because I am getting some SODs over night and sometimes during day. Not reproduceable on topa which runs the same setup but in airplane mode. | 15:09 |
| emwe | hyc: when you dealt with PowerManagerService (regarding auto-backlight changes) what parts did you update to test? just framework/services.jar? or also app/SystemUI.apk? | 15:13 |
| emwe | ok, services.jar is likely enough. there's something still fishy. at least on gb. | 15:15 |
| emwe | i tested .27 with frx07 and it behaves strangely as well. | 15:16 |
| arrrghhh | emwe: have you noticed any additional drain? | 15:16 |
| arrrghhh | i've been charging my phone during the day a lot, but now that i'm in training i've noticed my phone barely makes it through a 6 hour day with no usage... | 15:17 |
| arrrghhh | I used to get through the day with little to no usage and still have 60%+ left.. | 15:17 |
| arrrghhh | i noticed the phone feels warmer to the touch than usual... when it's in deep sleep, it's usually cold/cool to the touch. | 15:18 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: hm, not on .35 imho. all "fine" here. | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | i'm on the newest .27 | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | yea, it's 13.20 and i unplugged at 07.00. battery about dead, no phone calls and i haven't really used the thing at all today. | 15:19 |
| emwe | i assume it's been sleeping fine in between? | 15:19 |
| arrrghhh | mostly green LED | 15:19 |
| arrrghhh | haven't noticed it orange too frequently | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | (not more than usual, flips orange quickly then goes back to green and stays green 95% of the time i'd say) | 15:21 |
| emwe | what might cause that... i can only ask if you can resign the frx07 keyb backlight changes and go back to 20110711_082424. if that doesn't help and you can resign 35mm as well, go back to 20110627_223755. | 15:22 |
| emwe | if all that doesn't work out, go before that one. (20110622_180615) | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | bleh | 15:23 |
| emwe | the latter has no smd_tty fixes, 35mm and no kb backlight changes. | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't bother me too much | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'll try a different kernel each day :P | 15:23 |
| emwe | perhaps go back to the last and see how it goes | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | i'm on 718, i'll try 716 tomorrow and so on | 15:24 |
| emwe | and then switch to younger ones... | 15:24 |
| rpierce99 | fwiw i'm using the stock frx07 package with no updates and haven't had any issues with battery life | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | it's worthless | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 15:25 |
| emwe | if you go to 622 directly, we could exclude all the latest changes. if that is draining as well, i'd point to some other component. | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | kk | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'll go back to 'stock' FRX07 | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | i don't remember drain issues with that | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | but hard to tell, i can't remember when i started charging at work every day | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | kinda f-ed up testing :/ | 15:27 |
| emwe | i started keeping notes what i kept testing and what not. | 15:29 |
| emwe | topa gb+.35 22h@27percent (airplane+99%idle) | 15:31 |
| arrrghhh | not bad | 15:31 |
| emwe | well, it plays powered on paperweight. | 15:32 |
| emwe | functions as my morning alarm clock as the rhod is SODing every night. | 15:33 |
| emwe | whonder what started that. | 15:33 |
| hyc | leave logcats running in the background? | 15:33 |
| emwe | is that getlogs app ok for that? | 15:34 |
| hyc | dunno, I think it just takes a snapshot | 15:34 |
| hyc | dunno if it has an option to leave them running | 15:35 |
| emwe | the stupid thing is, kernel dmesg registers everything i do. just doesn't wake the panel. seems userland is stuck somewere. | 15:35 |
| emwe | i can plug 35mm, usb ... all logged to dmesg. | 15:35 |
| rpierce99 | yeah getlogs doesn't have a running logs option, maybe that's the next thing to do | 15:36 |
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| arrrghhh | weird | 15:36 |
| D3tul3 | emwe, i see your .35 is configured as tickless, i wonder why .27 is not...perhaps the arm implementation was not up to snuff back then | 15:37 |
| emwe | D3tul3: i really dunno why .27 isn't tickless. | 15:38 |
| emwe | D3tul3: i just based defconfig on msm_defconfig and NO_HZ was set :) | 15:39 |
| D3tul3 | yes i guess it's set on by default on native devices | 15:39 |
| emwe | D3tul3: what did you guys figure regarding that slowness on .39/3.0? | 15:39 |
| emwe | anything new? | 15:39 |
| D3tul3 | i am not sure if people are seeing the same problem across the board - I only see one and it crops up once every few days | 15:40 |
| emwe | too many issues crop up here. a pita. i figured one of my slownesses was the read_ahead_cache setting changed frmo 256kb to 2048kb. i changed back to 256kb and it's getting way better again. | 15:41 |
| emwe | i occasionally get that slow clock thingy. | 15:42 |
| D3tul3 | on .39 or .35? how slow does your clock get, my gp_timer (and the clock) slows down by a factor of ~20 | 15:42 |
| D3tul3 | i haven't had issues with the read_ahead but I am using partitions not sure if that helps any | 15:43 |
| emwe | .35. it's so seldom that i dunno i hit your "bug". just sometimes after reboot and a bit of idle (under an hour) clock is off by some hours iirc | 15:44 |
| emwe | well, it can't be off some hours. i don't recall. jus tsee the clock is way off | 15:44 |
| emwe | wasn#t it you who ported some io measurement tools? | 15:45 |
| D3tul3 | i haven't ported them :) i am running them in a debian chroot | 15:45 |
| D3tul3 | but they are useful for example for the tickless thing i can see about a fifth of the wake-from-idle interrupts when running a tickless kernel | 15:45 |
| D3tul3 | i can also run iotop which gives you a run down of i/o usage by process but haven't really needed to use it | 15:46 |
| D3tul3 | someone does seem to have ported powertop (interrupt counting) https://gitorious.org/android/powertop | 15:48 |
| emwe | can you share that iotop for me? | 15:49 |
| D3tul3 | can't, in chroot.... | 15:49 |
| D3tul3 | er, i guess iotop is a python script, porting that seems a more complicated task than just cross compiling which is the extent of my ability.... | 15:58 |
| emwe | re. and i think that chroot thingy is over mine. isn't that arm binaries which i can just run? | 16:05 |
| D3tul3 | don't think so....arm they may be, but not compiled against android | 16:11 |
| D3tul3 | /usr/sbin/powertop: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, stripped | 16:11 |
| emwe | yeah, got that now *bangshead* | 16:14 |
| D3tul3 | i followed these instructions to set up the chroot http://bayleshanks.com/wiki.pl?tips-computer-android-g1_debian_cyanogenMod | 16:14 |
| NeoMatrixJR | Hey everyone! I've kinda been away from this for a while. Things got hectic. I'm looking @ FRX 07 (just booted up a fresh build). I'm looking at the list of "issues/fixes" and wanted to know if jonpry's SCBS poop ever made it into the auto-build kernel/rootfs, or if you still have to download his kernel/rootfs. | 16:14 |
| emwe | D3tul3: thanks for these hints. i rather get them up against android then ;) | 16:14 |
| rpierce99 | NeoMatrixJR: no | 16:14 |
| rpierce99 | it's likely his kernel/rootfs won't work with frx07 either | 16:15 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: read the changelog, wth. | 16:15 |
| NeoMatrixJR | figured that was the case | 16:15 |
| NeoMatrixJR | what the kernel changelog? I didn't see it but that doesn't mean I didn't miss it.... | 16:18 |
| emwe | hover over the autobuild page' Build ID entries ^^ | 16:18 |
| arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: no, the FRX07 thread | 16:21 |
| arrrghhh | has 2 changelogs... | 16:21 |
| arrrghhh | stine's and mine. | 16:21 |
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| arrrghhh | wow. phone is completely dead. | 16:36 |
| arrrghhh | something definitely wrong... | 16:36 |
| arrrghhh | i'll go back to stock FRX07 tonight methinks and see how it does tomorrow. | 16:36 |
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| arrrghhh | bzo! it appears you're not a mountain man anymore. | 17:03 |
| arrrghhh | cali? | 17:03 |
| bzo | yep, back home now | 17:03 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 17:03 |
| arrrghhh | have you seen all the hullaballo on RAPH800/DIAM500? | 17:04 |
| bzo | nah | 17:04 |
| arrrghhh | do you still have your DIAM500? | 17:04 |
| bzo | yeah somewhere, haven't used it in ages | 17:04 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:04 |
| arrrghhh | might need your help getting them back up to speed | 17:05 |
| arrrghhh | lest they suffer like dogs | 17:05 |
| bzo | I'll put in some brick code so they can just be put out of their misery | 17:05 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 17:06 |
| arrrghhh | i say everyone focus on RHOD, but i am a little biased :P | 17:06 |
| bzo | in a more mean spirited mode now that I'm back here | 17:06 |
| bzo | people seem to be a lot nicer in Colorado :P | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | you back for realsies this time? | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | hahahah | 17:07 |
| bzo | I'll be around to chat, but work is still keeping me pretty busy | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | eya | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | i know how that goes | 17:07 |
| arrrghhh | i'm in training right now | 17:08 |
| arrrghhh | going to cut our first group next monday... | 17:08 |
| arrrghhh | gonna be a loooong ass day. | 17:08 |
| bzo | man, I hate training, boooring | 17:08 |
| arrrghhh | yea why do you think i'm in here :P | 17:08 |
| bzo | how is that different from any different time? :P | 17:09 |
| arrrghhh | zing! | 17:09 |
| bzo | :) | 17:09 |
| stinebd | emwe: it's better than having to maintain yet another fork | 17:22 |
| stinebd | for which we have changed zero code | 17:22 |
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| emwe | stinebd: i take just placing it in another location via manifest doesn't work out? | 17:33 |
| stinebd | emwe: we'd have two packages both providing LOCAL_MODULE := su | 17:33 |
| stinebd | breaks the build | 17:33 |
| emwe | cyano renamed the old to su-old | 17:34 |
| stinebd | yeah | 17:34 |
| stinebd | i don't want to fork the repo | 17:34 |
| emwe | ehm, it is? | 17:34 |
| emwe | .... it is. | 17:34 |
| emwe | i see no changes though... | 17:35 |
| stinebd | what? | 17:35 |
| emwe | https://gitorious.org/xdandroid/system_extras | 17:35 |
| stinebd | we don't use that right now | 17:35 |
| stinebd | and i'd like to keep it that way | 17:35 |
| emwe | on gb we do. | 17:36 |
| stinebd | actually we do i guess | 17:36 |
| stinebd | yeah | 17:36 |
| stinebd | on froyo we don't though | 17:36 |
| emwe | yap. | 17:36 |
| emwe | ok, topic change. can i holeheartedly go on keeping gb up to date or shall i go on asking day by day? | 17:36 |
| stinebd | i don't even know why we use it on gb | 17:36 |
| stinebd | oh wait i remember now | 17:36 |
| stinebd | to generate ext2 images | 17:37 |
| stinebd | you can push to it | 17:37 |
| stinebd | but don't break anything | 17:37 |
| stinebd | and if you break anything, fix it | 17:37 |
| stinebd | and if you don't fix it, that's fine too | 17:37 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:37 |
| emwe | lol | 17:37 |
| emwe | stinebd: thanks. tomorrow then. | 17:38 |
| stinebd | anyway we can remove the su directory from system/extras on gb | 17:38 |
| stinebd | and then move the new su somewhere else | 17:38 |
| stinebd | that should solve all your problems right? | 17:38 |
| stinebd | i'll take care of it as soon as i get some time. working 60+ hours this week | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | gawd, i hope you're hourly. | 17:39 |
| emwe | wouldn't call it problems. and that thing i just noticed. | 17:39 |
| emwe | and geez 60hours | 17:39 |
| stinebd | business as usual | 17:39 |
| hyc | my tp2 has worked 60+ hours this week | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | this week probably 30-35 hrs. next... 60-70. not looking forward to it. | 17:40 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: regarding that autobl-keyboard-issue on frx07... could it be that backlight actually turns on but so minimal it's barely visible? | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | emwe: no | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | it's not on | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | neither are the 4-button lights | 17:40 |
| emwe | hmpfs. | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | which AFAIK don't dim whatsoever | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | they're on/off | 17:40 |
| emwe | on gb i see it setting it to 25, the lowest lumen mapping value in config.xml in overlay | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | when i lose kb bl, 4-button lights go with it. | 17:41 |
| emwe | both, buttons and keyboard | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'll have to turn autobl back on and see... phone's dead right now tho :P | 17:41 |
| emwe | but, i am reporting a 0 light sensor value and thus it selects the lowest value from config.xml | 17:41 |
| hyc | well... either userland has stopped sending commands to the driver, or the device has borked | 17:41 |
| emwe | nah, don't worry | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 17:41 |
| emwe | i am off to bed soon | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | lol np | 17:41 |
| emwe | hyc: it's setting 25 (from config.xml) to button and keyb here... as the fake light sensor on gb reports 0 light value | 17:42 |
| hyc | ok | 17:42 |
| emwe | dunno how that is on froyo with .27 kernel | 17:42 |
| emwe | should go figure it seems ;) | 17:42 |
| emwe | hyc: what's the md5sum of your updated ril if i may ask? | 17:44 |
| hyc | 1e6f959106442033be21a98c2a5e4544 libhtcgeneric-ril.so | 17:45 |
| emwe | ad11c4039d176862d58fa915ee5c9575 libhtcgeneric-ril.so | 17:45 |
| emwe | ahem... | 17:45 |
| hyc | ugh | 17:45 |
| stinebd | 512b1970a8ef0a937706be84c0e8bc98 | 17:46 |
| stinebd | i win | 17:46 |
| emwe | ril2-test.zip? | 17:46 |
| hyc | not any more, ril2-86dc5ec on xda forum thread | 17:46 |
| emwe | hyc: redownloaded http://highlandsun.com/hyc/ril2-test.zip and md5sumed again. same. | 17:46 |
| hyc | it's probably fine then. ril2-test was compiled against the froyo branch. | 17:47 |
| hyc | ril2-86dc5ec.zip on the forum is compiled against the gingerbread branch | 17:47 |
| stinebd | dd if=/dev/urandom of=libhtcgeneric-ril.so | 17:47 |
| hyc | but both trees are identical | 17:47 |
| emwe | ok | 17:47 |
| emwe | RIL Daemon version: HTC Vogue Community RIL hyc 031fa01 2011-07-31 19:37:03 -0700 | 17:48 |
| emwe | that looks update | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 17:48 |
| hyc | yeah, that's the right revision # for the froyo branch | 17:48 |
| emwe | thanks | 17:48 |
| emwe | let's see how that goes over night. | 17:48 |
| emwe | gnight peeps! | 17:48 |
| hyc | it only changed incoming call behavior | 17:48 |
| hyc | nothing else | 17:48 |
| emwe | perhaps somebody is calling me over night? ;) | 17:49 |
| hyc | heh | 17:49 |
| emwe | nah who knows. | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | g'nite emwe | 17:49 |
| emwe | i am seeing so much crap piling up here. evaluating everything | 17:49 |
| hyc | 'nite | 17:49 |
| stinebd | night emwe | 17:49 |
| emwe | i used to say all fine and rock stable 3 weeks ago | 17:49 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:49 |
| stinebd | tschüß and all that | 17:49 |
| emwe | since then everbody reported issues and i magically attracted them. | 17:49 |
| emwe | auf wiedersehen bryan. | 17:49 |
| hyc | android virus ... | 17:50 |
| stinebd | yeah | 17:50 |
| stinebd | my atrix has that virus called android | 17:50 |
| arrrghhh | somehow my WinMo phone does too :D | 17:51 |
| stinebd | yours is a trojan | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | that works | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | i'd prefer a rootkit | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | but i'll take what i can get | 17:52 |
| stinebd | phh: what is that picture on g+? french ocarina of time? | 17:52 |
| phh | stinebd: just a door-sized poster ? :p | 17:53 |
| stinebd | but the n64 zelda right? | 17:53 |
| stinebd | rezel... | 17:54 |
| phh | it's a poster for the association (called rezel) that takes care of the internet connection in the building | 17:54 |
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| stinebd | ah | 17:54 |
| stinebd | nice | 17:54 |
| stinebd | i'm a fan of their fandom then | 17:54 |
| phh | the box is doctor who's pandoricam | 17:55 |
| phh | -m | 17:55 |
| stinebd | geeks are cool | 17:55 |
| phh | and inside we've got a hierarchy/history of programming languages printed on like a 2 or 3 meters paper :D | 17:56 |
| stinebd | i hope you didn't forget cobol | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | we still use COBOL -_- | 17:57 |
| stinebd | hah | 17:57 |
| stinebd | too many still do | 17:57 |
| stinebd | half of the US is still powered by cobol | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | how many programming languages from the 1950's are still in use? | 17:57 |
| arrrghhh | pretty sure COBOL is the only one, heh | 17:58 |
| stinebd | fortran is pretty old | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | it's still in use? | 17:58 |
| stinebd | yeah | 17:58 |
| stinebd | so are punch cards | 17:58 |
| stinebd | :P | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | wow | 17:59 |
| stinebd | and i heard they're mapping the human genome on an abacus | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:59 |
| stinebd | (last two are made up i hope) | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | +1 | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't realize fortran was still in use | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | seems they just recently ratified a new version, lol | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran#Fortran_2008 | 18:00 |
| stinebd | recently? | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | September 2010 | 18:00 |
| stinebd | nobody uses that anyway | 18:00 |
| stinebd | F95 is the only sequel that was worth anything | 18:00 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:01 |
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| touchpro | hey ive been looking around, how exactly do we go about taking radio logs in windows mobile? | 18:44 |
| hyc | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12933504&postcount=2 | 18:45 |
| touchpro | thank you hyc, ill look and see what i can find out, ill probably be asking you more questions lol | 18:46 |
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| touchpro | hyc, here is my radio log from wm vogue, if you need more specific things i can get you them, any input you can give (and that you have already given) is greatly appreciated http://pastebin.com/8JAaQEfZ | 21:55 |
| rpierce99 | seems short | 21:55 |
| touchpro | i just changed the reg keys and booted up, should i do anything more? not 100% sure what im doing here, but i compared the commands from my radio logcat to this wm radio log and they seem mostly the same | 21:56 |
| rpierce99 | i don't know what's going on, if he just asked for bootup, sweet, i'm just used to radio logs being much longer | 21:57 |
| touchpro | my vogue goes into cdma mode, (all the menus are there) and searches for service endlessly till the battery dies, lol im at my wits end, i just want to figure out the last feature of vogue android | 21:58 |
| touchpro | other than fake gsm mode, it works perfect for me | 21:58 |
| rpierce99 | so you're porting the ril back to vogue? | 21:59 |
| touchpro | trying to, if i can get it figured out | 21:59 |
| touchpro | hyc's work is gold | 21:59 |
| rpierce99 | does he already have a radio log from android on his ril to compare to? | 22:00 |
| touchpro | yeah i posted one in here yesterday, but ill post both again http://pastebin.com/WQ1CD6ey (android radio log) http://pastebin.com/8JAaQEfZ (wm radio boot up log) | 22:02 |
| touchpro | sorry for spam, just easier to find together i guess | 22:02 |
| rpierce99 | seems like your android log is missing bootup | 22:02 |
| touchpro | i did logcat -v time -b radio from boot, had the command waiting before android started to boot | 22:03 |
| rpierce99 | hm, maybe it looks different because it's not working then :) | 22:06 |
| touchpro | lol probably | 22:06 |
| touchpro | the funny part is fake gsm still works with the test ril, can you explain that? | 22:13 |
| rpierce99 | i guess he didn't take out cdma support from the gsm functions, no idea | 22:14 |
| touchpro | i dunno, im just starting to look at all this stuff and take it all in, im hoping it will be a matter of switching out commands and presto change-o it works | 22:15 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i'm guessing you're either missing a necessary radio command or sending a radio command that breaks stuff | 22:15 |
| touchpro | hopefully, that would be presumably easy to fix | 22:16 |
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| SpecR | well, will try FRX07 from scratch again | 22:36 |
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| hyc | the wm log is too short | 22:49 |
| hyc | it doesn't really show much from the registration | 22:50 |
| hyc | mebbe you should let it run a bit longer | 22:50 |
| hyc | the new ril uses an AT+HTC_BSINFO command to get info about the radio tower | 22:50 |
| hyc | that command isn't supported on your vogue | 22:51 |
| hyc | need to know what else they're using | 22:51 |
| hyc | or maybe your radio just won't return any tower position info | 22:51 |
| hyc | i.e., network location wno't work | 22:51 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, is BSINFO unsupported on RAPH/DIAM's as well...? | 22:57 |
| hyc | no idea | 22:57 |
| arrrghhh | der i can get a radio log from WM from a RAPH800 if you think it would help | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | there's no service on this device, but it's CDMA so it will connect to the network | 22:58 |
| hyc | no idea | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | but no data... | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | damnit jim | 22:58 |
| hyc | I thought it was working fine on raph and blackstone already | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | blackstone is GSM only | 22:58 |
| hyc | oh | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | and it's fine on RAPH so long as it's not CDMA | 22:58 |
| arrrghhh | CDMA RAPH's and DIAM's no likey new RIL evidently. | 22:59 |
| hyc | a radiolog from both android and wm would probably help | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | k | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | radiolog with old RIL ? | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | in Android | 23:00 |
| hyc | new ril | 23:00 |
| hyc | how far does it get? | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | well i'll try FRX06 with the new RIL | 23:00 |
| arrrghhh | i couldn't get FRX07 to boot on this damned thing at all. | 23:00 |
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| touchpro | hyc, http://pastebin.com/1sVGktVb i ran all the stuff i could think of, data, phone, etc, there is a soft reset in there with probably the same bootup commands but hopefully this is good this time, your time is much appreciated | 23:03 |
| touchpro | oh forgot to mention, this is stock sprint 6.1 rom if that matters at all | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | alrighty, just spoke with the angry Sprint guy. stinebd, he said he missed you. | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | trying to get a loc, doubt it'll work. | 23:08 |
| SpecR | yup, same "OOPS - smd_tty_buffer_mismatch" endless message | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, uh | 23:09 |
| SpecR | arrrghhh: Im trying FRX07 with the latest kernel and the latest rootfs and I get that message on first boot | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | latest kernel won't work | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | i think 0622 will | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | known problem | 23:10 |
| SpecR | oh | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 23:10 |
| SpecR | kay, will try | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | don't tell me you have a RAPH800 | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | i think you do IIRC | 23:10 |
| SpecR | I do | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | blh | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | bleh | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | don't bother with 07 | 23:10 |
| SpecR | <-- poor | 23:10 |
| SpecR | really? | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | there's so many things broken on it for that old device | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 23:10 |
| SpecR | damn | 23:10 |
| arrrghhh | you guys didn't mention anything about the RIL not working | 23:10 |
| touchpro | thats exactly why im still on vogue, my raph800 wont boot frx07 | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | somehow the smd_tty issue was known pretty quickly, but no one has submitted logs for a fix | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | touchpro, lolwut | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | why not try to get the RAPH up to speed. | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | Vogue... is so very ancient. | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | besides, didn't that phone get full NAND support? | 23:11 |
| touchpro | lmao if you have any suggestions on how to do that, im all ears, my vogue just "works" | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | wth do you mean by that | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | based on your posts, it doesn't 'just work' lol | 23:12 |
| SpecR | arrrghhh: is there a quick workaround for FRX07 to work on Raph800? | 23:13 |
| touchpro | im frustrated by the smd_buffer mismatch, i gave up on the raph a while ago, frx06 works great for what i need to do with the phone (test apps) and no offense meant arrrghhh, i was just saying if you have any suggestions on how to bring raph800 up to speed i would gladly try them | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, yes, use FRX06 | 23:13 |
| SpecR | :( | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | touchpro, i'd like to know what you mean by the Vogue just works but the RAPH doesn't | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, what do you want | 23:14 |
| arrrghhh | you yokels didn't help test at all :P | 23:14 |
| touchpro | vogue works pretty well, if you cut out all the crap that most rom cooks put in, the only problem i have with the vogue is i hate not having cdma support | 23:14 |
| arrrghhh | it doesn't have CDMA support? | 23:14 |
| SpecR | touchpro: do you have a FRX07 build working on your raph800? | 23:15 |
| touchpro | it uses the gsm fakeout thing for cdma, i can connect to data and call just fine, i just like having the menus that say cdma :) | 23:15 |
| SpecR | I dont even use my raph as a cellphone, my country is GSM only | 23:15 |
| touchpro | i used the frx07 system image with new rootfs and frx06 bundled kernel and got it to boot, but something is off with the touchscreen calibration | 23:15 |
| SpecR | touchpro: same here, booted once, but the screen was all unclickeable || calibration as you say | 23:16 |
| touchpro | ril didnt seem to take either, but i cant get it to work in frx06 either | 23:16 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, lol then what does it matter | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | i actually use my RHOD as a cell phone | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | if RIL doesn't matter to you, rip it out i guess. | 23:17 |
| arrrghhh | it matters to most, assuming you want to use it as a phone. | 23:18 |
| SpecR | not me | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | fuck | 23:18 |
| touchpro | arrghhh, vogue lasts about 16 hours for me as a cell phone, internet browser, game player etc, battery calibration is off but oh well, with an old market i can use most apps, and the best part of all, no more winmo | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | then get rid of the RIL, wtf | 23:18 |
| arrrghhh | touchpro, ok? | 23:19 |
| touchpro | i've been trying to work on tinboot nand for raph800, the jamesallen guy got it working for gsm raph (even though he incorrectly calls it raph800) so im trying man i really am, i love both phones and if the raph could be used as a daily driver i would totally do it, winmo just kills the experience for me | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | use HaRET | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | it works fine for now | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know if NAND will ever come to some of these other devices | 23:20 |
| touchpro | yeah it does, but battery dies within 45 minutes without panel collapse | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | i hope it does for all, but there isn't a big (developer) push | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | 45 minutes | 23:20 |
| arrrghhh | puh | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | most people in the RAPH forum say 5-8hrs | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | something else is wrong if it's dying in 45 mins lol | 23:21 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, pm comin | 23:22 |
| touchpro | i wish i could get 5-8 hours, i can get that in winmo with gmail push on, something may be wrong with my battery though, i bought the phone used on ebay | 23:22 |
| arrrghhh | dunno | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | i know i've had several people complain about battery life | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | but they usually complain because it's less than 8 hours | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | and it's better in winmo | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | of course it's better in winmo it does nothing and was designed for the phone... | 23:23 |
| touchpro | none of the newer kernels seem to work for me, i would be happy as a clam to get close to 8 hours in android, lol the stuff people complain about | 23:24 |
| touchpro | have you tried .35 or .39 on raph arrrghhh? | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | no | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | i'm borrowing a RAPH800 from a friend that just got an EVO3D | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think there's boardfiles for RAPH in .35/.39...? | 23:26 |
| touchpro | i was thinking about trying it, how is the evo3d, i heard it was pretty nice | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | eh i have mixed feelings about it | 23:27 |
| touchpro | oh ok, ill stay on .2x (whatever we are at) | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | my buddy loves it. the only big complaint he had was the cameras stuck out like crazy | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | instead of being recessed | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't like it because of sense bloat (although the new lockscreen on 3.0 is cool) | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | and no kbd. | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | i don't see how people can use a smartphone without a keyboard. | 23:28 |
| touchpro | does the 3d work ok? i seem to remember it has a 3d on off physical switch, seems to me like people would break that pretty easily | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | i couldn't, but i guess i'm old and crotchedy | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | the physical switch is solid metal dude | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | you'd never break it | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | and it's for the camera specifically | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | the 2d/3d switch is for the camera | 23:28 |
| touchpro | oh lol, i havnt seen one close up but im pretty sure my friends mom will have one in no time, shes all up on new tech | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | the 3D on the screen itself... is a gimmick. | 23:28 |
| arrrghhh | it's kinda cool | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | but there's a very specific angle/position you have to look at it | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | it's akin to magic eye | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | in that it'll make your brain explode if you don't look at it just right. | 23:29 |
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| touchpro | wheres waldo or the magic eye ebooks would be sweeeeeet | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | and even if you are looking at it just right, you can't really use it for too long in 3d. | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:29 |
| touchpro | g2g, teen moms just ended gf wants the computer, have fun guys | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | teen moms... | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know what that is, but it sounds like a truly awful show. | 23:32 |
| touchpro | truly awful it is, thats why i spend my time on the computer messing with cell phones lmao | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | buy her a computer :P | 23:32 |
| touchpro | i built her a desktop but she likes this tiny netbook for some reason | 23:33 |
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| SpecR | arrrghhh: how do i locate the ril component? | 23:37 |
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| arrrghhh | touchpro, then use the desktop you built her :P | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | i know he's gone. | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, with a fine toothed comb | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | hrm, that's right. | 23:41 |
| SpecR | cant it be "blocked" in startup? | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | i couldn't even get this damned 800 to boot FRX06 | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | SpecR, LOL | 23:41 |
| arrrghhh | no. | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | why would that be an option? most people like being able to use the phone. | 23:42 |
| SpecR | just occurred to me "Android initializes the telephony stack and the Vendor RIL at startup as described in the sequence below: | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | i'm suggesting it to you as a last resort. | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | you don't seem interested in helping find the root cause | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | so i'm just throwing out band-aids that will allow you to use FRX07 | 23:42 |
| arrrghhh | if you don't care about the RIL | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | why not just stick with FRX06? honestly? | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | the lionshare of the improvement in 07 was the RIL. | 23:44 |
| SpecR | how could I help finding the root cause? | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | logs might help | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | being a developer would help more :P | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | but i'm not a dev either, so i'm just fumbling around with my buddy's 800 trying to help you guys out. | 23:45 |
| SpecR | damn, to get logs I think I'd have to communicate with the device while in xdandroid via the dev kit? | 23:46 |
| SpecR | sdk | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | adb is the easiest way to pull logs... yes | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99 made this great getlogs app | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | but you have to be able to use the phone on a basic level | 23:47 |
| arrrghhh | which it seems like is impossible...? | 23:47 |
| SpecR | yes | 23:47 |
| SpecR | cant be used as a phone here | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | no | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | i mean you said the device itself is unusable | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | like you can't click on anything | 23:48 |
| arrrghhh | and it's painfully slow | 23:48 |
| SpecR | slow yes, but with 0622 Im using it right now for the 1st time in FR07 | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | this is with the new RIL? | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | well if you're on 07 | 23:49 |
| SpecR | aha | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | with a new(ish) rootfs | 23:49 |
| SpecR | yes | 23:49 |
| arrrghhh | then you should be on the new RIL | 23:49 |
| SpecR | just zimage and modules from 0622 | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | since you're in a country without CDMA service | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | the RIL is probably a moot point for you | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | which rootfs are you on? | 23:50 |
| SpecR | latest | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you said the device was unusable on 07? | 23:50 |
| arrrghhh | (even with older kernel) | 23:50 |
| SpecR | it was, i just tried again and worked | 23:51 |
| SpecR | i mean, reinstalled all from scratch | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 23:51 |
| arrrghhh | and it's working fine? | 23:51 |
| SpecR | slow, very slow | 23:52 |
| SpecR | but seems to be ok | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | hum | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | not sure what to say about the slowness | 23:52 |
| SpecR | automatically on airplane mode, its taking forever to turn it off | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | you seem to have a distaste for adb | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | so... i'm not sure how much you can help. | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | i'll see what i can do with this 800 | 23:53 |
| SpecR | i tried once when in frx03 on my mac and didnt work | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | on your mac? | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | FRX03? | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | pretty sure XDAndroid has never supported any apple product | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | just ask rpierce99 | 23:54 |
| SpecR | oh | 23:54 |
| SpecR | thats why | 23:54 |
| SpecR | never got it to work as well | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i wouldn't install Android on a mac. | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:54 |
| SpecR | adb i meant | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | oh? | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | i have no clue if adb works on crapintosh | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | i would assume it does | 23:55 |
| SpecR | if i dont missremember I read it didnt work on mac | 23:55 |
| SpecR | well downloading sdk again | 23:59 |
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