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| rpierce99 | hyc you around? | 00:30 |
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| hyc | nope | 00:32 |
| rpierce99 | damn | 00:32 |
| hyc | whazzupm | 00:33 |
| hyc | ? | 00:33 |
| rpierce99 | i wanted to ask you since you've pretty much touched every part of the system by this point | 00:33 |
| rpierce99 | have you ever needed anything for troublehsooting other than logcat -b radio -v time, logcat -v time, and dmesg? | 00:33 |
| hyc | no, that's been pretty much all. | 00:34 |
| rpierce99 | any additional flags you would add if you were able to make sure 100% of people ran the same commands? | 00:34 |
| hyc | there are a couple other logcat buffers but I've rarely seen anything interesting in them | 00:34 |
| hyc | the one thing we need is a program that reads /proc/kmsg and turns the timestamps into wallclock time, so it can be correlated with everything else. | 00:37 |
| hyc | klog kinda does that but it actually just forwards to syslogd. too many moving parts... | 00:37 |
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| Madplaya1 | Anyone here? | 00:39 |
| rpierce99 | barely | 00:39 |
| Madplaya1 | Do you when frx07 will be released just wondering? | 00:39 |
| rpierce99 | it just got pushed back 3 days because you asked | 00:40 |
| Madplaya1 | I knew it :( I was just asking because I can't use frx06 on my device | 00:41 |
| rpierce99 | there's nothing in frx07 that would make it go from impossible to possible | 00:41 |
| rpierce99 | so either frx07 won't work either, or you could fix your frx06 | 00:41 |
| Madplaya1 | Well, it's the roaming indicator notification thing, that's why I don't use it. I thought with the new RIL in frx07 would fix it. | 00:43 |
| rpierce99 | you can fix that in frx06 | 00:43 |
| rpierce99 | and btw that is purely cosmetic | 00:43 |
| Madplaya1 | How can I fix it ? | 00:46 |
| rpierce99 | /data/eri.xml | 00:47 |
| rpierce99 | it won't exist by default | 00:47 |
| Madplaya1 | Do insert something or what? | 00:47 |
| rpierce99 | but if you find the format (google?) and push it in (adb) it'll get rid of the message | 00:48 |
| Madplaya1 | I might as well just for frx07. I use the blazn build for now works good. | 00:49 |
| rpierce99 | wow | 00:49 |
| rpierce99 | blazn is old | 00:49 |
| Madplaya1 | Nah, tiad8 newest build in his site. The CwM | 00:49 |
| * rpierce99 shudders | 00:50 | |
| Madplaya1 | Is it bad or something lol? | 00:51 |
| rpierce99 | hm, that's a tough question | 00:51 |
| rpierce99 | i can't answer it because i would never use it | 00:51 |
| Madplaya1 | Lol | 00:51 |
| Madplaya1 | How come ? | 00:51 |
| rpierce99 | because that guy throws stuff at the wall with a blindfold on and sees what sticks | 00:51 |
| rpierce99 | makes lofty claims | 00:52 |
| rpierce99 | but has never really "fixed" or "improved" anything afaik | 00:52 |
| rpierce99 | at least not something reproducable | 00:52 |
| Madplaya1 | Haha , well for me it works smoothly. Yeah right! That's why I want frx07 | 00:53 |
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| rpierce99 | reading that site makes my head hurt | 00:54 |
| Madplaya1 | Lol he has NAND builds , but I don't trust that. | 00:55 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i wouldn't let that guy anywhere near my NAND | 00:55 |
| Madplaya1 | Im fine just booting from winmo | 00:56 |
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| hyc | ah figures. regular syslogd doesn't work on android because syslogd wants to use /dev/log for its socket | 01:11 |
| hyc | but android turned /dev/log into a directory. sigh. | 01:11 |
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| akkycool21 | hi | 04:16 |
| akkycool21 | nybody out there now | 04:17 |
| akkycool21 | can i put xdandroid on my garmin asus m10 | 04:17 |
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| rpierce99 | hey arrrghhh, got a question for ya | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | shoot | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | i've got a snarky answer for ya | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | as the testing lead, i wanted your opinion on the output of a project I was dabbling with yesterday | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | sure | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 11:47 |
| arrrghhh | you make me sound much more important that i am in reality :P | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | wanted to know if there was anything missing | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | i know, i almost through testing leads into air quotes | 11:48 |
| rpierce99 | figured i'd give you some respect today | 11:48 |
| rpierce99 | not sure why | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | me neither. | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | so missing as in... hidden private stuff? | 11:48 |
| rpierce99 | currently it is dmesg, logcat -v time, and logcat -v time -b radio, hyc couldn't think of anything else that he would want to collect from dumb users | 11:48 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | yea that covers the main three logs. | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | today i've been thinking kernel version and system image version | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | dmesg should have those | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | assuming it doesn't get truncated | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | only if it hasn't rolled off | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | yeah we can't assume that | 11:49 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 11:50 |
| rpierce99 | but if you could remove 100% of the complexity of entering and adbing and pastebinning, there are no other commands you would want them to run? | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | you can get kernel version from uname -r, that should work.. | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | so there's one moar | 11:53 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't seem to be an lsb_release command | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | not sure if there's a cli-way to figure out system image.. | 11:54 |
| rpierce99 | doesn't need to be cli, i can use the android api | 11:54 |
| arrrghhh | do you know a way of doing that tho? | 11:54 |
| rpierce99 | googling | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | i don't really know squat about android api's. | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | good point. | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | well if you can figure that out, would be nice. | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | if you do uname -a, you can see the full details like when the kernel was built. | 11:55 |
| rpierce99 | more verbose is better for this i believe | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | so that's a good 'un | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | uhmmm | 11:56 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder if there's a way to make the RIL cough up what version it's running | 11:56 |
| rpierce99 | i bet i know a guy who would make it happen :) | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:57 |
| arrrghhh | man so my laptop finally died. completely and utterly, can't even limp along anymore. | 11:57 |
| rpierce99 | mac | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | noes | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | i was looking at an hp elitebook. build quality looks top notch. | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | i couldn't live with myself if i had a mac. ironically, i'm giving up the hdmi port if i go elitebook. | 11:58 |
| arrrghhh | one of the reasons i didn't like the mac :P | 11:58 |
| rpierce99 | it's a cheap adapter | 11:59 |
| rpierce99 | well, it's cheap for me | 11:59 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | not sure i could deal with the public humiliation. | 12:03 |
| rpierce99 | meh, i don't care what people think of me | 12:04 |
| rpierce99 | it helps that i didn't buy it | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:04 |
| arrrghhh | not really into flashy | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | i want functional. | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | my last laptop looked flashy, and rugged. it was only the former. | 12:05 |
| arrrghhh | so short of going with a toughbook, looks aren't at the top of the list ;) | 12:06 |
| smiley_ | http://www.youtube.com/embed/fDEDym2LKJQ froyo on the X1.. works very smooth :) | 12:06 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, i tried the 17" elitebook as my work laptop, it was heavy, the power cord was flaky, and i didn't like windows, although it was xp corp image | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | yea i'm looking at a 15.6" | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | power cord flaky? | 12:08 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i've heard about the MBP's | 12:08 |
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| arrrghhh | and i like the magnetic design of the plug, but the cable looks so f-ing cheap. | 12:08 |
| rpierce99 | nah the HP's use the standard male in the laptop, female in the cord | 12:08 |
| rpierce99 | the male in the laptop bends and breaks too freqently | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | i was talking about the mbp | 12:09 |
| rpierce99 | i love the MBP power cord | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | in reference to the mag design. | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | also, i must have winblows for work. | 12:09 |
| smiley_ | rpierce99: me too ;) | 12:09 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i have that in a VM | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | when no body needs mac trash :P | 12:09 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i have a VM on my server for that. | 12:10 |
| smiley_ | I use windows to test that the application I'm working on works in Windows ;) | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | i was just using rdp to get to it from my linux laptop. | 12:10 |
| arrrghhh | not a great test smiley_ :P | 12:10 |
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| smiley_ | hehe.. the basic stuff.. that it launches and don't look strange ;) | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | hehe | 12:11 |
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| arrrghhh | hmmm | 12:11 |
| arrrghhh | i do like the mag plug on the mbp. i don't think that's a good enough reason to buy something tho :P | 12:12 |
| smiley_ | arrrghhh: you probably gonna hate me even more when I say that I develop java apps in OSX ;) | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | i don't really develop anything, so there. | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | except for scripts sometimes and it sounds like I'll be learning VXML | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | or some such thing for CVP | 12:13 |
| smiley_ | oh.. we did some telephone application with VXML a few years ago | 12:14 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 12:15 |
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| arrrghhh | hrm | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i should price out a mbp | 12:27 |
| arrrghhh | damnit. i don't know what i want, it seems the perfect laptop still doesn't exist :P | 12:27 |
| Detule | i hear people holding their breath for the asus u36sd | 12:28 |
| arrrghhh | eh | 12:28 |
| arrrghhh | i don't need extremely thin&light | 12:28 |
| Detule | that's like saying "i don't need a hot&smart girl" | 12:29 |
| arrrghhh | uhm... | 12:29 |
| arrrghhh | why? usually ultraportable means shitty specs. | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | i'd rather have better specs & spend a little more. | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | i like the fat, expensive girls. | 12:30 |
| arrrghhh | i want something that's going to last. if i'm going to spend $1500+ on a laptop, i'm going to use it until the wheel's fall off. | 12:31 |
| arrrghhh | i limped along with this freakin crappy alienware for far too long, but i did manage to get 5+ years out of it. i want to get at least that again. | 12:31 |
| Detule | i guess looking at some of the specs, there don't seem to be huge sacrifices in terms of performance....on the other side i have always been the type of person that have prefered onboard graphics to cards etc | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | i prefer having a dedicated card.. | 12:32 |
| arrrghhh | i've never understood the power plugs on PCs tho. it seems like no one has a good design there. | 12:34 |
| arrrghhh | Mac's have the magplug, which seems nice.. but then the cord itself is crap (from what i've seen, the cord going into the plug is fragile... like on dell's.) | 12:35 |
| Detule | make sure whatever card you are getting plays nicely with your favorite distro...i have seen many a laptop running linux with a useless video card.... | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | i've heard the new graphics switching lappys are a bitch on Linux. | 12:37 |
| arrrghhh | like people can get one card to work (usually the on-board one) but switching to the discrete card blows stuff up. | 12:38 |
| arrrghhh | i usually prefer nvidia tho, they have usually worked well for me - when i've heard horror stories of ati, even still. | 12:39 |
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| arrrghhh | i just need to buy 5 laptops, and keep them all. then i'll rip them all apart and make the best laptop evar. | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure it'll work out well. i'm accepting donations if anyone wants to help contribute :D | 12:55 |
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| rpierce99 | i figured it out arrrghhh, this is good :) | 13:16 |
| arrrghhh | looks like you cat build.prop too? | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | or getprop i guess | 13:17 |
| rpierce99 | getprop, yep | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 13:18 |
| rpierce99 | that way i get stuff added by the system too | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | solves the build problem | 13:18 |
| smiley_ | and there did the X1 kernel panic again.. damn pppd ;) | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 13:18 |
| rpierce99 | also gets ril version | 13:21 |
| rpierce99 | baseband version | 13:21 |
| arrrghhh | awesome | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | i was reading logs | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | is there anyway to relate the timestamps in dmesg to real timestamps? | 13:22 |
| rpierce99 | we found that the kernel is dumping timestamps on suspend and resume, so it is algorythmically (?) possible, but wow, it would be slow in this setup | 13:25 |
| rpierce99 | you'd have to search for suspend and resume timestamps, calculate the offsets, and then replace | 13:25 |
| rpierce99 | hyc was looking into syslogd but found it won't work | 13:25 |
| smiley_ | arrrghhh: fragile? I have been having magplug since 2007 without any problems | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | smiley_, just heard of horror stories. but all laptops have those. | 13:26 |
| smiley_ | yeah | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | i'm sure you heard of the power bricks bursting into flames. | 13:26 |
| smiley_ | yeah | 13:27 |
| smiley_ | and phones exploding | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | i've had an alienware laptop since 2004 with an awful plug design, and it's still working great. | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | (the plug that is) | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | the laptop, not so much. | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | but my gf's dell from 2009 already has a bad power plug - but she wasn't very careful. so a lot of it depends on how you take care of your stuff. | 13:28 |
| arrrghhh | she has my power plug from my work laptop right now, i'm worried she's going to break that one too :P | 13:28 |
| arrrghhh | i think based on price&features, i'll sacrifice the lack of a HDMI port and go with an elitebook. | 13:33 |
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| arrrghhh | kind of a shame, i really wanted that feature... but i guess i won't be using it all that frequently. | 13:34 |
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| hyc | I got syslgod to work but it's still a dumb solution | 15:34 |
| hyc | I think it'll be better to write a specific klog dumper for us | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | sysGOD | 15:35 |
| hyc | you can try syslogd yourself: rename /dev/log to anything else first, then start syslogd, then start klogd | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | sounds silly. | 15:35 |
| hyc | then rename /dev/log to /dev/syslog | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | i guess if it works... | 15:35 |
| hyc | and rename the original /dev/log back to itself | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | hahahaha | 15:35 |
| hyc | yeah, it's stupid, but I was just mucking around to see what it would get | 15:36 |
| hyc | I used syslogd -C, so it logs in RAM | 15:36 |
| hyc | then you use logread to dump outthe RAM | 15:36 |
| arrrghhh | huh | 15:36 |
| arrrghhh | but you then get time logging properly? | 15:36 |
| hyc | I think that's just stupid, since the klog is already in a RAM buffer, why use two RAM buffers for the same data? | 15:37 |
| hyc | yes | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:37 |
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| hyc | yay, JB posted his audio patches to the ML | 15:41 |
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| arrrghhh | hey lookie thar he did | 15:42 |
| rpierce99 | hm, not in the archive yet | 15:42 |
| rpierce99 | there they are | 15:42 |
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| * rpierce99 is about to shoot this damn phone | 19:38 | |
| rpierce99 | all i want is to throw a bunch of crap into a list and have it scroll when it's too big to fit the screen | 19:39 |
| rpierce99 | is that really so difficult | 19:39 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 19:39 |
| rpierce99 | this app is 100% functional right now, if it only scrolled... | 19:40 |
| stinebd | alright guys | 19:40 |
| stinebd | i need someone super smart | 19:40 |
| * rpierce99 is obviously out, i can't even get this thing to scroll | 19:40 | |
| * arrrghhh looks at his handle | 19:40 | |
| arrrghhh | obviously not smart, but what can we help with stinebd ? | 19:41 |
| stinebd | replaced the voltage regulator on my famicom and it's still not doing anything | 19:41 |
| rpierce99 | it's not helping my mood that I got a cavity filled earlier and my mouth hurts like hell | 19:41 |
| arrrghhh | wow i had to google famicom. that's madness stinebd | 19:43 |
| stinebd | i bought it while i was in japan | 19:43 |
| arrrghhh | figured | 19:43 |
| arrrghhh | although they still sold it up to 2003 | 19:43 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:43 |
| stinebd | i might just order another one | 19:43 |
| stinebd | keep that one to learn some ee tactics on | 19:44 |
| arrrghhh | they even repaired them up until 2007 | 19:45 |
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| arrrghhh | that's just wacky | 19:45 |
| stinebd | shigeru miyamoto personally repaired them by hand | 19:45 |
| stinebd | it's why zelda games keep getting delayed | 19:45 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:46 |
| arrrghhh | oh well, i'm outta here.. cya guys. | 20:07 |
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| stinebd | bye bye | 20:07 |
| stinebd | too late | 20:08 |
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| hyc | looks like the random reboot code i've added to my binaries is working http://tiad8.com/htc-touch-pro-2/109-build-froyo-blue-cwm-2011-06-12-a-23.html#post3550 | 21:22 |
| stinebd | lol | 21:22 |
| rpierce99 | why can that guy not figure out the word "added" | 21:26 |
| rpierce99 | seriously dude, "i add it more fast" is not correct | 21:26 |
| hyc | I think my random number generator needs some tweaking though, pretty sure I set the "destroy /data" probability at 75% but it's coming up much less frequently. | 21:26 |
| hyc | I guess I'm just not very good at breaking working code... | 21:27 |
| stinebd | that's where i come in | 21:28 |
| hyc | heh heh | 21:28 |
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| rpierce99 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1123129 | 23:27 |
| stinebd | lame | 23:27 |
| rpierce99 | NO U | 23:27 |
| stinebd | o | 23:28 |
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| rpierce99 | STINEBD Y U NO LOVE ME LONG TIME | 23:41 |
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