| arrrghhh | impressive nonetheless. i'm sure you've got your fill of logs hyc. if not, ping me tomorrow. bedtime folks, take it easy. | 00:00 |
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| hyc | re: that kernel log, i've seen a lot of crashes in tty_ldisc.c due to smd, but I haven't seen this particular stack trace before | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't been able to reproduce the bug | 00:00 |
| hyc | is this with new ril or stock? | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | heh that's a good point | 00:00 |
| ilkinansr92 | U talkin about my bug | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | stock | 00:00 |
| arrrghhh | ilkinansr92, yes | 00:00 |
| ilkinansr92 | Yeh its all from autobuild server | 00:01 |
| hyc | yes. it will occur less frequently with my ril | 00:01 |
| hyc | but it's still a bug in the SMD driver | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | less frequently. heh | 00:01 |
| arrrghhh | bummer | 00:01 |
| ilkinansr92 | Well it works with older kernel | 00:01 |
| ilkinansr92 | I dont get that reboot after call | 00:01 |
| hyc | what's the last version that works? | 00:02 |
| ilkinansr92 | Sec its my comp and its off atm | 00:02 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: what do you get when you press the play button? | 00:02 |
| arrrghhh | it's in the logs | 00:02 |
| ilkinansr92 | Ill look it up in sec | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, same flicker | 00:03 |
| hyc | ok | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | essentially nothing | 00:03 |
| hyc | so same problem as before | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 00:03 |
| hyc | can you hang out another minute? | 00:03 |
| hyc | go into the shell | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | oh i guess so | 00:03 |
| hyc | run sqlite3 on the DB | 00:03 |
| arrrghhh | k | 00:03 |
| hyc | sqlite3 /data/data/com*phony/databases/mmssms.db | 00:03 |
| hyc | select * from part; | 00:04 |
| hyc | paste up the last 5-6 lines | 00:04 |
| hyc | I'm assuming the last msg you received is the MMS in question | 00:04 |
| hyc | heck, paste the last 10 lines :P | 00:04 |
| hyc | it ought to look similar to mine http://pastebin.com/HnELL4Py | 00:05 |
| hyc | but I guess you're going to get more like rpierce99's instead http://pastebin.com/bReEVafR | 00:05 |
| arrrghhh | http://pastebin.com/cma4Yw3B | 00:07 |
| hyc | ok | 00:08 |
| hyc | yeah, it's missing the duration parameter too | 00:08 |
| hyc | 'k thanks | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | np | 00:08 |
| arrrghhh | ttyl | 00:08 |
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| ilkinansr92_ | modules-2.6.27.46-01313-g850715a.tar worked fine | 00:09 |
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| ilkinansr92 | So do u know whats the diffrence between that one and newest kernel? | 00:12 |
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| hyc | rpierce99: still around? | 00:21 |
| rpierce99 | yep | 00:21 |
| hyc | will have a new Mms.apk in a sec | 00:21 |
| hyc | with minimum durations set, I think | 00:21 |
| rpierce99 | sweet | 00:21 |
| hyc | ok, uploaded | 00:21 |
| hyc | it ought to work with your existing msgs | 00:22 |
| rpierce99 | hm, no still just flashes | 00:26 |
| hyc | hmmmm | 00:26 |
| hyc | something must be overriding it | 00:26 |
| rpierce99 | this doesn't require the new framework.jar does it? | 00:30 |
| hyc | that framework only affects download | 00:30 |
| rpierce99 | that's what i thought | 00:30 |
| rpierce99 | wanted to make sure, i reverted system earlier | 00:30 |
| hyc | ok | 00:30 |
| hyc | trying again in a different spot of the code | 00:33 |
| hyc | !scp | 00:34 |
| hyc | oops ;) | 00:34 |
| hyc | ok uploaded | 00:34 |
| rpierce99 | hm, just realized i downloaded that in the browser, hope it didn't pull from cache, i'm going to curl this one to be safe | 00:35 |
| hyc | ok | 00:35 |
| rpierce99 | flicker :( | 00:37 |
| hyc | dunno what it is then | 00:38 |
| hyc | I'm beginning to suspect it's setting correct default durations | 00:38 |
| hyc | but the playback timer is wrong | 00:38 |
| hyc | dunno why it works for me tho | 00:38 |
| hyc | if you edit your DB, change the SMIL part to include durations ..... | 00:39 |
| rpierce99 | if you strip the dur= from your db it still shows fine? | 00:39 |
| hyc | I'll try that in a sec | 00:39 |
| rpierce99 | k i'll try the opposite | 00:39 |
| hyc | trickier to do such a large value in sqlite3 isn't it? jsut copy/paste? | 00:40 |
| rpierce99 | i think if you start the value with ' instead of " it'll be fine | 00:41 |
| hyc | also it's a good idea to kill the mms process first | 00:41 |
| hyc | I think it caches the DB | 00:41 |
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| hyc | OK, I removed thedur= and justget flashes now | 00:45 |
| hyc | but I'm running the previous Mms.apk. | 00:45 |
| hyc | will try the new one | 00:46 |
| hyc | still flashes | 00:47 |
| hyc | bah | 00:47 |
| hyc | I guess I'll revert those other patches and try looking somewhere else | 00:47 |
| rpierce99 | yeah updating the db made the window stay up | 00:54 |
| hyc | ok | 00:54 |
| hyc | so all the places I tried to set the default are just being ignored :P | 00:54 |
| rpierce99 | i've had bad luck with the debugger but i'll see if i can break into it this time | 00:55 |
| rpierce99 | another set of eyes cant hurt | 00:55 |
| hyc | now I'm wondering though, why are those fields present in the original blob? | 00:55 |
| hyc | and missing now? | 00:55 |
| rpierce99 | yeah, they're being parsed out for some reason | 00:55 |
| rpierce99 | i think android sets local properties and then writes out its own version of the SMIL based on them | 00:56 |
| hyc | hmmm | 00:56 |
| hyc | we should verify that with wireshark | 00:56 |
| hyc | see if durations are in the original download | 00:56 |
| rpierce99 | didn't we already | 00:56 |
| hyc | yes | 00:56 |
| hyc | but now, with modified apk | 00:57 |
| hyc | is it a change in behavior because the uaprof changed | 00:57 |
| rpierce99 | aren't we back to the original uaprof | 00:57 |
| hyc | no | 00:57 |
| hyc | still on the evo4g one | 00:57 |
| hyc | hmm | 00:58 |
| hyc | the "sniff" file you sent me has no durations | 00:58 |
| rpierce99 | that was winmo | 00:58 |
| hyc | right | 00:58 |
| hyc | but it has the correct 800x480 pixel layout | 00:58 |
| hyc | and the dump we got after switching Mms.apk to use the winmo Uaprof also has no durations | 00:59 |
| hyc | and the dump with the original google uaprof | 01:00 |
| hyc | so. the server never set them? wheretf did they come from... | 01:01 |
| rpierce99 | the whole idea of either the sender or the carrier determining how long i want to look at a picture is pretty stupid | 01:01 |
| hyc | the original dump from Evo4G has durations | 01:02 |
| rpierce99 | my original pdu from before we did any work (the android uaprof) has durations | 01:02 |
| hyc | so freakin weird | 01:02 |
| hyc | ok well, I think it's obvious that we shouldn't rely on meaningful durations being set | 01:03 |
| hyc | and we just need to supply good defaults | 01:03 |
| hyc | I just can't find where in the source to set them | 01:03 |
| hyc | you probably won't have much luck debugging my Mms.apk since you don't have the current patches | 01:04 |
| rpierce99 | right | 01:04 |
| hyc | ok. finding a lot of zeros being ignored | 01:08 |
| hyc | it's like it's supposed to treat duration=0 specially but then forgets to on playback | 01:08 |
| hyc | like ideally, duration=0 should mean "manual advance" | 01:09 |
| rpierce99 | that would make sense, if there's no duration defined, just show it and let the user treat it as a picture | 01:09 |
| hyc | yeah | 01:10 |
| rpierce99 | so i assume you were patching somewhere in the smilplayer | 01:19 |
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| hyc | not yet | 01:22 |
| hyc | I was patching setDuration in MediaModel and SlideModel | 01:22 |
| hyc | but was just about to look at smilplayer | 01:23 |
| rpierce99 | smilplayer creates a timeline before the playback starts | 01:23 |
| rpierce99 | which i'm not sure how that works with the whole 0=manual thing | 01:24 |
| hyc | yeah | 01:24 |
| rpierce99 | can't create a timeline from manual | 01:24 |
| rpierce99 | looks like maybe getDur() in the ElementParallelTimeContainerImpl | 01:33 |
| hyc | the TimeineEntry's don't seem to store duration | 01:36 |
| hyc | they just store an beginning offset time? | 01:36 |
| hyc | I don't see where they store and ending time | 01:36 |
| hyc | oh | 01:37 |
| hyc | an entry is either a begin or end entry | 01:38 |
| hyc | ok, my plan is to see if the End action's offsetTime is thte same as the Begin's time, to automatically pause | 01:42 |
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| hyc | it sorta works | 02:14 |
| hyc | the timeline is actually several more elements than I expected | 02:14 |
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| hyc | not all of them actually have media | 02:15 |
| rpierce99 | yeah that looked pretty involved | 02:15 |
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| hyc | so for these two slides, there are 10 entries | 02:15 |
| hyc | I guess it's based on the smil nesting | 02:15 |
| rpierce99 | yeah in the getImplicitDuration it has to get the duration for all the children and add em up | 02:19 |
| hyc | I don't see the connection between the timeline and the nodes | 02:22 |
| hyc | i.e., once I reach a particular timeline entry, what node is it associated to | 02:22 |
| rpierce99 | timeLineEntry.getElement() instanceof SmilParElementImpl | 02:25 |
| hyc | ah | 02:27 |
| hyc | that's better ;) | 02:32 |
| hyc | just uploaded it | 02:32 |
| hyc | it's not totally obvious because the seek bar isn't displayed by default | 02:33 |
| hyc | rpierce99: try the new Mms.apk ... | 02:36 |
| rpierce99 | works as advertised, both for entries with no dur and those with dur | 02:38 |
| hyc | excellent | 02:38 |
| rpierce99 | i still don't get why it puts the text on screen like that | 02:38 |
| hyc | yeah kinda weird | 02:38 |
| rpierce99 | i know it's a part | 02:38 |
| rpierce99 | but really, you're displaying it, take it out of the slideshow | 02:39 |
| hyc | I guess you can actually compose some fancy layouts | 02:39 |
| rpierce99 | i'm sure you can, looks a lot like html | 02:39 |
| hyc | but really, somebody is doing weird reformatting | 02:39 |
| hyc | 'cause when I send to my T-mobile phone, text+image is one part | 02:40 |
| hyc | hey, send me a text+image MMS | 02:40 |
| hyc | let's see if Sprint does it on all outgoing ones too | 02:40 |
| rpierce99 | sent | 02:42 |
| hyc | damn | 02:42 |
| hyc | I had autodownload turned off, and the download button is doing nothing | 02:42 |
| rpierce99 | are you running the hacked framework? | 02:43 |
| hyc | hmmmm | 02:43 |
| hyc | i think so | 02:43 |
| hyc | lemme check logcat | 02:43 |
| hyc | ok, droidwall again. it deletees the access rule whenever you replace the apk | 02:44 |
| rpierce99 | makes sense | 02:45 |
| rpierce99 | it doesn't prompt though? | 02:45 |
| hyc | prompt for what? nope | 02:45 |
| hyc | ok, downloaded. no slideshow, just text+image | 02:45 |
| rpierce99 | so SMIL is set by the receiving partys mmsc | 02:46 |
| hyc | yep | 02:46 |
| hyc | and this one is nicely formatted | 02:47 |
| rpierce99 | but this patch doesn't hurt anything, just accounts for sprint being dumb | 02:47 |
| hyc | http://pastebin.com/fdmjycQz | 02:47 |
| rpierce99 | ah, yours only gets 1 part with 2 regions | 02:48 |
| rpierce99 | mine gets 2 pars | 02:48 |
| hyc | yep | 02:48 |
| hyc | so no slideshow here | 02:48 |
| rpierce99 | does the text show up over the image then | 02:48 |
| rpierce99 | i'd assume so | 02:48 |
| hyc | no the text looks like a regular SMS and the image is above it | 02:48 |
| rpierce99 | yeah in conversation view i'd expect that, the par is laid out for a full screen view | 02:49 |
| rpierce99 | not sure if that's even possible to do | 02:50 |
| hyc | doesn't seem like it | 02:50 |
| rpierce99 | i'd assume a tap on the picture just opens the picture | 02:50 |
| hyc | yep | 02:50 |
| hyc | goes to gallery | 02:50 |
| rpierce99 | wish sprint had a smarter mmsc | 02:50 |
| hyc | lol | 02:50 |
| hyc | yeah would save us a lot of trouble | 02:50 |
| hyc | ok, gonna clean up this patch and upload it | 02:51 |
| rpierce99 | they were the last ones to get mms too | 02:51 |
| rpierce99 | they had picture mail for a long time | 02:51 |
| hyc | hmmm | 02:51 |
| rpierce99 | which was just an sms with a link | 02:51 |
| hyc | what should we do with uaprofurl? | 02:51 |
| rpierce99 | i say revert it | 02:51 |
| rpierce99 | i haven't seen it do anything | 02:51 |
| hyc | ok | 02:51 |
| hyc | nothing useful anyway. it affects the smil, but for us the smil is mostly irrelevant | 02:52 |
| hyc | i.e., we never get a full-screen layout | 02:52 |
| rpierce99 | if we decide we care later for some other carrier, probably best for it to be propertyized | 02:52 |
| rpierce99 | hard-coding an alternate value seems less than ideal | 02:52 |
| hyc | yeah | 02:52 |
| hyc | ok I'll work up the prop code for that as a separate patch | 02:52 |
| hyc | will revert everything else for now | 02:52 |
| rpierce99 | so 2 patches for mms, framework.jar to allow the pduparser to interpret the sprint pdu properly, and whatever you changed for the smil duration | 02:53 |
| hyc | yeah | 02:53 |
| rpierce99 | sweet. Once again sprint and/or cdma causing way more work for you than should be necessary | 02:54 |
| hyc | oh and also a patch to display the 2nd thumbnail if the first one has no img | 02:54 |
| hyc | since in your smil, the text is always the first slide | 02:55 |
| hyc | this avoids the empty play button... | 02:55 |
| rpierce99 | yes, good | 02:55 |
| hyc | hmm. xdandroid has no clone of Mms.apk | 02:56 |
| hyc | gonna have to create my own | 02:56 |
| rpierce99 | hm, the sources are downloaded as part of the "get the source" steps i followed | 02:56 |
| rpierce99 | oh, clone | 02:56 |
| rpierce99 | right | 02:56 |
| hyc | they've been using vanilla google | 02:56 |
| rpierce99 | alright well i'm off, nite | 02:58 |
| hyc | ok, 'night | 02:58 |
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| hyc | arrrghhh: https://gitorious.org/hycdroid/packages_apps_mms/commit/d669a2b2fcde0f588944af6caaca814a1bd4e92d | 05:07 |
| hyc | MMS used to have GV integration | 05:07 |
| hyc | it was removed... | 05:07 |
| hyc | mebbe it got added some other way in GB | 05:07 |
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| valyk | heya all | 07:37 |
| valyk | can someone tell me froim where can i get a cyanogenmod v6 rom to work on a raph100? | 07:38 |
| valyk | from* | 07:38 |
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| calon | hi everyone | 09:30 |
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| calon | I got a question | 09:30 |
| calon | I tried and compile android kernel from git for my blackstone | 09:31 |
| calon | everything went fine except touchscreen | 09:31 |
| calon | it works but respond in a crazy way | 09:32 |
| calon | any ideas? | 09:32 |
| helicopter88 | tried calibrating again' | 09:33 |
| helicopter88 | *? | 09:33 |
| ryannathans | love it how there are 99999999999 new discussions on irc since i last came on. *moves to CBF folder* | 09:34 |
| ryannathans | is/has anyone looked at button repeating bug on froyo yet? :D | 09:35 |
| helicopter88 | i read about that on xda.. | 09:35 |
| ryannathans | I mean, physically looked at code and/or narrowed it down? | 09:42 |
| helicopter88 | afaik,no one.. | 09:43 |
| helicopter88 | but i think that someone is investigating | 09:43 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, you fire off the hip quite often don't you... | 09:45 |
| ryannathans | cryptic much ;) | 09:45 |
| arrrghhh | your post | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | on the forums | 09:46 |
| ryannathans | mms profile | 09:46 |
| ryannathans | ? | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | obviously shows you didn't bother to read anything. | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | he even says what the bugs were in the post, even if you didn't click any of the links... | 09:46 |
| ryannathans | *starts reading it again* | 09:46 |
| arrrghhh | however, if you DID click on the lists.xdandroid.com link, you'd know a heckuva lot more. | 09:46 |
| ryannathans | lol, I have had a few late nights, turns out I started reading from page 2. *facepalm* | 09:47 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 09:47 |
| arrrghhh | fail. | 09:47 |
| ryannathans | Indeed. | 09:49 |
| ryannathans | Once upon a time I found a page with all the kernel commits in one page. Any idea where I was looking? | 09:50 |
| ryannathans | spent laste 2 nights looking | 09:50 |
| arrrghhh | so not the autobuild? | 09:50 |
| arrrghhh | are you just talking about the gitorious page...? | 09:50 |
| ryannathans | one moment | 09:50 |
| ryannathans | pretty sure was autobuild | 09:51 |
| arrrghhh | http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/ | 09:51 |
| arrrghhh | ^^ autobuild | 09:51 |
| arrrghhh | linked in ALL my threads. | 09:51 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 09:51 |
| ryannathans | yeah those kernels. Wasn't there one huge list of all commits? Was plain text I think | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | ugh. | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | do i have to ask again? | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | are you talking about the gitorious page? | 09:52 |
| ryannathans | like whne you put the cursor on the name of each kernel on that page | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | uh move your mouse over the build ID | 09:52 |
| arrrghhh | any of the kernels | 09:53 |
| ryannathans | yeah | 09:53 |
| ryannathans | there was a page with all that one one page in plain text | 09:53 |
| arrrghhh | christ | 09:53 |
| arrrghhh | are you talking about the gitorious page!??! | 09:53 |
| arrrghhh | where the commits actually go? | 09:53 |
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| arrrghhh | http://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm | 09:54 |
| arrrghhh | like pulling teeth with you child. | 09:54 |
| ryannathans | on the autobuild page, when you put the cursor on each build ID it comes up with changes, there was one large page where you could trace all changes back | 09:54 |
| arrrghhh | yes you've said that several times now. | 09:54 |
| ryannathans | I love you so much right now. | 09:54 |
| arrrghhh | i'm asking you, do you mean the gitorious page. | 09:54 |
| arrrghhh | good god you were talking about gitorious. | 09:55 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 09:55 |
| ryannathans | It was very similar to the page linked, was all plain text though. That will do though ^^ | 09:55 |
| ryannathans | thanks | 09:55 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 09:56 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not aware of any others | 09:56 |
| arrrghhh | there's a google code site.. but i thought that was just a big list of the kernels themselves... perhaps off that page there's a list of commits. not sure. | 09:56 |
| ryannathans | any idea who commited the backlight changes? | 09:57 |
| ryannathans | (keyboard) | 09:57 |
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| arrrghhh | wistilt2 | 09:59 |
| arrrghhh | it's only temporary... | 09:59 |
| arrrghhh | i hope you know that | 09:59 |
| arrrghhh | you probably don't tho. | 09:59 |
| ryannathans | 0.o was commited to autobuild though? | 10:00 |
| arrrghhh | wtf? | 10:00 |
| arrrghhh | what are you trying to do exactly? | 10:00 |
| ryannathans | Find where/when the keyboard backlight was fixed/added | 10:01 |
| arrrghhh | drive me insane? because you're not helping the project with this nonesense. | 10:01 |
| ryannathans | on a thread 'we' talked about keyboard backlight causing key repeating bug | 10:02 |
| ryannathans | found it! | 10:03 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | i believe it is | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | BUT | 10:04 |
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| arrrghhh | did you see my comments that it's only temporary? | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | kernel shouldn't control the kbd backlight, userland should. so there's probably some hackedy code that is temp. | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | same with caps/fn lights | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | shouldn't be controlled by the kernel | 10:04 |
| arrrghhh | well, kernel should turn them on/off, but userland should determine when they should be on or off. | 10:05 |
| ryannathans | thought the whole thing was going to get moved to userland | 10:05 |
| arrrghhh | kernel still controls the hardware dude | 10:05 |
| ryannathans | so kbd backlight will completely be rewritten at some stage? | 10:07 |
| arrrghhh | well not completely | 10:07 |
| arrrghhh | just need hooks between userland & the kernel | 10:07 |
| ryannathans | are we 100% sure it is kbd backlight causing the bug? | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | no | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | but it's definitively our #1 suspect | 10:08 |
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| arrrghhh | other than just some transient issue | 10:08 |
| ryannathans | Time to see if it is or not. :D | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | which, i'm pretty sure the bug didn't occur before kbd backlight | 10:08 |
| arrrghhh | which was a looooooooooong time ago | 10:08 |
| ryannathans | 4 months ago ;) | 10:09 |
| arrrghhh | sounds about right | 10:09 |
| ryannathans | So I need to get myself a copy of kernel source, remove code for backlight, compile and observer | 10:09 |
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| ryannathans | as long as it is not quantum mechanics and obsertation doesn't change the experiment the bug should disapear | 10:10 |
| arrrghhh | yea you can do that | 10:10 |
| arrrghhh | just pull the commit for kbd bl | 10:10 |
| arrrghhh | obsertation, sounds technical. | 10:10 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 10:10 |
| ryannathans | haha :P | 10:10 |
| ryannathans | lolwut? Kernel is 63MB for source | 10:11 |
| ryannathans | compressed | 10:11 |
| arrrghhh | lots o text | 10:12 |
| ryannathans | should compress easy | 10:12 |
| ryannathans | must be heapsh | 10:12 |
| arrrghhh | there's a couple of lines of code in the kernel | 10:12 |
| ryannathans | how is autobuild so small? | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | machine code? | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | i thought you knew at least a little about development... | 10:13 |
| ryannathans | yeah but such a reduction o.o | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | you haven't built the system image have you | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | it's gigabytes | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | and compresses down to ~120mb | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | when build | 10:13 |
| arrrghhh | built* | 10:13 |
| ryannathans | now you mention that.. | 10:14 |
| ryannathans | feel idiotic xD | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | might just want to sit back and let the professionals do their thing... | 10:14 |
| ryannathans | never had to compile my PHP/python code :P | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, hiho. i saw you slip in thar. | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, o right. you don't know about development... | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | i forgot, web developer != developer. | 10:14 |
| ryannathans | correct. | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | web monkey | 10:14 |
| arrrghhh | call yourself a dev. | 10:15 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: good eyes you have. | 10:15 |
| arrrghhh | :D how goes it sir | 10:15 |
| emwe | just tested that SOD stuff out again | 10:15 |
| emwe | well, cable plug notification that is. | 10:15 |
| emwe | seems my topa dislikes that. | 10:15 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 10:16 |
| emwe | stood up earlier today and batt was rahter empty and i just managed to get it charged again. something must be freaking out on low batt | 10:16 |
| ryannathans | always thought compiling made it bigger. *pulls out notepad* | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | your TOPA doesn't seem to like much. | 10:16 |
| emwe | otherwise still incall issue tracking dunno if i should just throw it away. | 10:16 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:17 |
| emwe | on the other side... that raph doing nothing just runs idle since 17hours and has 50% batt left | 10:17 |
| arrrghhh | dang | 10:17 |
| arrrghhh | i didn't think raph would run that long w/o the panel collapse magic. | 10:17 |
| emwe | raph on .27 though. but i think topa isn't that better on .27 | 10:17 |
| emwe | mine does here. don't ask me why. | 10:17 |
| emwe | just idle no sim | 10:17 |
| emwe | so doing nothing i guess | 10:17 |
| arrrghhh | still | 10:18 |
| arrrghhh | i thought 6-7hrs even with no usage. | 10:18 |
| emwe | perhaps i got another panel type | 10:18 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 10:18 |
| emwe | got id 0x1 here | 10:18 |
| arrrghhh | these phones are wacky. | 10:18 |
| arrrghhh | seems the more we learn about 'em, the less we know... | 10:18 |
| arrrghhh | how deep does the rabbit hole go HTC | 10:18 |
| ryannathans | quantum mechanics related? I KNEW IT! | 10:18 |
| emwe | btw i think we can just merge in jb's audio work into xdandroid tree | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | ballsy | 10:20 |
| emwe | it's a build time flag which libs to build/use | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | sounds good dude | 10:20 |
| emwe | so nobody has to run their own trees with too many mods except that buildspec.mk flag | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | there's only a few kernels in the wild that work with the new audio routing hotness, and they're all in hyc's thread :P | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 10:20 |
| arrrghhh | that would be niiiiice | 10:20 |
| emwe | we have enough time to screw the tree in stinebds absence. | 10:21 |
| emwe | :) | 10:21 |
| ryannathans | sigh, is there a guide to compiling this damn kernel | 10:21 |
| helicopter88 | there's one on ppcgeeks | 10:21 |
| emwe | ryannathans: i can link you to my little build script... | 10:21 |
| ryannathans | would be much appreciated ;) | 10:21 |
| emwe | ryannathans: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12183048/htctopaz/util.sh | 10:22 |
| emwe | ryannathans: plz have in mind though, i skip cleaning the wifi modules build on every iteration. so if you update kernel make sure you clean | 10:23 |
| emwe | ryannathans: and the scrip expects your tree to be "linux-msm" ... so "./util.sh build msm" | 10:23 |
| ryannathans | roger. | 10:23 |
| emwe | it's a bit ugly. no shell expert here ;) | 10:24 |
| ryannathans | neither. I downloaded .tar.gz source, not tree, does it matter? | 10:24 |
| emwe | you can have other dir name. just needs to be "linux-" | 10:24 |
| emwe | no, but a git pull keeps you updated | 10:24 |
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| emwe | you won't be able to update the tar.gz extracted dir then | 10:25 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, i think a lot of this is over his head... | 10:25 |
| emwe | also, the script creates a generated-msm dir where all the output of compilation and module collection goes | 10:25 |
| arrrghhh | and he probably needs to learn about git before he attempts to do this madness... | 10:25 |
| emwe | so the kernel tree isn't clobbered. | 10:25 |
| emwe | git clone and git checkout htc-msm-2.6.27 and done. all on the repo page. | 10:26 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 10:26 |
| ryannathans | apparently you have a syntax error | 10:26 |
| * emwe looks down his body.... no. | 10:26 | |
| ryannathans | ./util.sh: 156: Syntax error: "(" unexpected | 10:26 |
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| emwe | hm, worksforme (c) on bash. | 10:27 |
| ryannathans | hmm, maybe because i am missing config file. | 10:27 |
| emwe | as i said, no h4x0r here. | 10:27 |
| arrrghhh | as i said, this is over your head ryannathans. one step at a time, don't put the cart before the horse, etc etc | 10:28 |
| emwe | ah, i should mention you also need to setup some stuff in the beginning of the script. | 10:28 |
| emwe | all between #custom settings | 10:28 |
| ryannathans | woot its compiling | 10:30 |
| ryannathans | all I had to do was 'make menuconfig' look around cluelessly, hit exit, save config, make -j5 :D | 10:32 |
| emwe | make config first | 10:32 |
| calon | hi guys | 10:33 |
| emwe | ehm.... ./util config htc_msm_android_defconfig | 10:33 |
| emwe | then ./util build | 10:33 |
| emwe | but hey, you'll figure. | 10:33 |
| ryannathans | -.o *twitches* | 10:33 |
| calon | I got some issue compiling the default kernel | 10:33 |
| calon | with touchscreen | 10:33 |
| ryannathans | lulz | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | calon, compiling? | 10:33 |
| arrrghhh | ryannathans, see what you've done. | 10:33 |
| calon | building | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | calon, did you read my thread? it walks you thru how to calibrate | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | building? | 10:34 |
| arrrghhh | aren't you just trying to calibrate the screen!?! | 10:34 |
| calon | I use an old ts-calibration | 10:34 |
| calon | I'm tryng to get working a kernel build on my machine | 10:35 |
| calon | ehm sorry | 10:35 |
| arrrghhh | calon, what is your problem? | 10:35 |
| calon | to get to work | 10:35 |
| arrrghhh | what are you trying to do | 10:35 |
| calon | I managed to compile the kernel, my android (I'm on a blackstone) boots | 10:36 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 10:36 |
| calon | but I get bad response from touchscreen, it's not working fine but it's working | 10:36 |
| ryannathans | so it's poorly calibrated? | 10:36 |
| arrrghhh | why are you compiling your own kernel? | 10:37 |
| arrrghhh | i can't say that's a supported configuration lol | 10:37 |
| calon | I use and old ts-calibration file, I also tried to recalibrate but nothing | 10:37 |
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| calon | I would like to learn | 10:37 |
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| calon | I tried both with somo other module both with standard | 10:38 |
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| ryannathans | *rage quits* | 10:39 |
| helicopter88 | sorry for logging in/out | 10:39 |
| ryannathans | im off. getting some good sleep and going at this again | 10:41 |
| ryannathans | night | 10:41 |
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| emwe | arrrghhh: "new audiorouting for froyo" is hycs all-in-one mod post, yeah? | 10:47 |
| arrrghhh | pretty much | 10:48 |
| arrrghhh | his second post goes thru BT | 10:48 |
| emwe | i wan't to reverify topa incall again | 10:49 |
| emwe | not taht i screwed up .35 sooo much... | 10:49 |
| emwe | hm, handwork. though of all in one download for the lazy :) | 10:49 |
| emwe | thought | 10:49 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | oh noes | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | hyc does not pander to the lazy. | 10:50 |
| emwe | sometimes i need to be... | 10:50 |
| emwe | so stock everything + libs + kernel should be fine? | 10:50 |
| arrrghhh | well the init.rc needs modded | 10:51 |
| arrrghhh | but i assume you read that part | 10:51 |
| arrrghhh | other than that, yea. | 10:51 |
| emwe | that is in autobuild rootfs | 10:52 |
| arrrghhh | noes | 10:52 |
| arrrghhh | the chmod command is IIRC | 10:52 |
| arrrghhh | but the hciattach stuff isn't | 10:52 |
| emwe | ah i am not into bluetooth | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | well i guess that's just for BT, so if you just want the audio routing stuff | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | damnit. :P | 10:53 |
| emwe | thanks nevertheless. how is it getting such lazy noob questions? | 10:53 |
| emwe | am i doing well in that? | 10:53 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 10:54 |
| arrrghhh | from you, it's a little weird. gotta admit. | 10:54 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 10:54 |
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| arrrghhh | alrighty. real work time, ping me if you need smth. not you tho heli_afk | 10:55 |
| emwe | i am trying - sorry for that - being a little time effective. and as you know xda forums and posts and whatsup like your pocket... | 10:55 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 10:55 |
| emwe | i am only reading irclogs the last weeks | 10:55 |
| emwe | thx! have fun! | 10:56 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea | 10:56 |
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| arrrghhh | i'm on to you hurny7/Horace | 10:58 |
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| emwe | crash in micropksc_set_rhod_kpd_led_state should not happen for topa.... | 11:20 |
| hyc | bummer | 11:28 |
| hyc | which kernel are you on now? | 11:29 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: not urgent but - it was suggested that I remove TESTING from the ril thread. any other keyword to use, or just delete testing? | 11:30 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 11:31 |
| arrrghhh | i guess since you keep saying it's not in testing anymoar | 11:31 |
| arrrghhh | the testing moniker needs to go | 11:31 |
| hyc | 'k | 11:32 |
| arrrghhh | i still think it's in testing, if people want to manually use it... | 11:32 |
| arrrghhh | it's not in testing when it's integrated into the build :P | 11:32 |
| arrrghhh | IMHO | 11:32 |
| hyc | heh | 11:32 |
| arrrghhh | put [FEATURE COMPLETE] instead of [TESTING] lol | 11:33 |
| arrrghhh | i dunno. | 11:33 |
| hyc | I guess. see. if we were all on that glorious cwm, it would just be an update.zip | 11:33 |
| * hyc ducks... | 11:33 | |
| arrrghhh | we've never really polished anything to this point. | 11:33 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:33 |
| arrrghhh | yea, glorious. i really want to reboot to winmo after installing the system, just to boot back to Android. | 11:34 |
| hyc | lol | 11:34 |
| hyc | i was going to fix that but never found neo's source. | 11:34 |
| arrrghhh | i wish neopeek would see cwm to more of an end... i have a feeling he's just going to leave it hanging like everything else tho. | 11:34 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't exist | 11:35 |
| arrrghhh | AFAIK | 11:35 |
| hyc | heh | 11:35 |
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| emwe | hyc: your 1324 kernel. | 11:36 |
| emwe | hm. wasn't that gps fix in the atlantic ocean fixed some time ago? | 11:36 |
| hyc | emwe: you probably should use 1319 | 11:36 |
| emwe | i am just not hitting the power button. :) | 11:37 |
| hyc | i probably idn't make the buttonlights patch rhod-specific | 11:37 |
| emwe | jus tdo incall testing. | 11:37 |
| hyc | *didn't | 11:37 |
| emwe | might fail though as the IDLE SND device isn't fixed yet to 0x11 | 11:37 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, the gps fix IS fixed, but it's not integrated yet. | 11:38 |
| emwe | ah | 11:38 |
| emwe | is FRX06 that old already? | 11:38 |
| hyc | the gps 0,0 bug fix is in frx06 | 11:38 |
| arrrghhh | gotta run the binary manually... AFAIK it made it into frx06, but the rootfs trumped it. | 11:38 |
| hyc | but rotfs overrides it | 11:38 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 11:38 |
| emwe | ah bah | 11:38 |
| emwe | lol | 11:38 |
| arrrghhh | what we said | 11:38 |
| emwe | i see | 11:38 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 11:38 |
| emwe | so now cross fingers that incall is still broken plz. | 11:38 |
| arrrghhh | you want it to be broken? lol | 11:39 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, do you have a binary for the new MMS hotness? | 11:39 |
| arrrghhh | my gf sent me another message :P | 11:39 |
| arrrghhh | good lord verizon, i can't do this crap if your site is always down. | 11:39 |
| emwe | YAY BROKEN AND FROZEN! | 11:39 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha yay? | 11:39 |
| emwe | so i haven't screwed .35 | 11:40 |
| hyc | lol | 11:40 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: yes, Mms.apk on my FRX06+ directory | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | cool. is that all i need? | 11:42 |
| hyc | you already have the framework.jar? | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | yessir | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | from the testing the other day | 11:42 |
| hyc | then yeah | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | k | 11:42 |
| arrrghhh | wanted to make sure there weren't any changes to that either ;) | 11:43 |
| hyc | nope | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | man this tunnel cxn is nice. can't believe i was usb tethering for so long hahaha | 11:43 |
| rpierce99 | now you can play with your phone while you talk about playing with your phone! | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | w00t | 11:43 |
| hyc | lol | 11:43 |
| arrrghhh | i win 5 internets | 11:44 |
| hyc | i watched 2 movies in 720x400 on my phone last night :D | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | smooth? | 11:45 |
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| hyc | yep | 11:45 |
| rpierce99 | i still haven't had any luck with those video libs | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | that's awesome. | 11:45 |
| arrrghhh | well, not your issues but that it was smooth : | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | ;p | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | damnit! | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 11:46 |
| hyc | heh | 11:46 |
| hyc | dunno, lots of other folks have had good results | 11:46 |
| arrrghhh | i haven't tried the newest gfx stuff TBH | 11:47 |
| rpierce99 | yeah it's probably not the libs, just me | 11:47 |
| hyc | lol | 11:47 |
| hyc | sigh. championc ... | 11:48 |
| rpierce99 | hm, it worked there | 11:49 |
| rpierce99 | i think playing that downloaded video in random video players caused problems the last time i tried | 11:49 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: you're not supposed to point out the frx06+ download link. | 11:50 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 11:50 |
| arrrghhh | it's in your sig... | 11:50 |
| hyc | if people can't see it's a link by themselves... | 11:50 |
| arrrghhh | there fixed | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 11:51 |
| hyc | ;) | 11:51 |
| arrrghhh | not like i linked him directly to it... | 11:52 |
| arrrghhh | i think someone did at one point | 11:52 |
| hyc | rpierce99: most likely. i already told you, once it messes up in any player, you need to reboot before it can work again | 11:53 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i know, does that .mp4 you sent me cause you issues in some players? | 11:53 |
| hyc | yes | 11:53 |
| rpierce99 | ok, didn't know that was one of the too big ones | 11:53 |
| hyc | it seems that most of the players struggle with it | 11:54 |
| rpierce99 | so i tested a local file first to eliminate bandwaidth as a possibility | 11:54 |
| hyc | and spec-wise, it seems to be at the limit. | 11:54 |
| hyc | the qualcomm docs i read said 500kbps max for the video track | 11:54 |
| hyc | that test is 640kbps | 11:55 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 11:55 |
| hyc | buut mvideoplayer works pretty consistently | 11:56 |
| hyc | it still trips once ina while tho | 11:56 |
| hyc | then i go see what background shit was happening, read logcat, etc. | 11:57 |
| hyc | stupid things like geniewidget ... | 11:57 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, that slideshow solution worked | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | it's odd tho | 12:00 |
| arrrghhh | i guess you already knew that it worked... | 12:00 |
| rpierce99 | yeah the "fix" for the stupid white on black text is for sprint to not be dumb | 12:01 |
| hyc | :p | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | glad it works at all | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | but pics w/o text look WAY better than pics with text. | 12:01 |
| hyc | yeah, ultimately sprint's servers are broken | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | pics with text... odd. pics w/o text, flawless. | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 12:01 |
| arrrghhh | well i think i might pass this onto my buddy | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | he won't be able to do anything directly | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | but hey, maybe he can get it to the right person. | 12:02 |
| hyc | that would probably be good | 12:02 |
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| rpierce99 | i wouldn't be surprised if they were locked into it because of some dumb app/phone/os that requires it to be that way though | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 12:02 |
| arrrghhh | that's a pretty big oversight | 12:03 |
| hyc | the fact that they completely mangle the smil that the sender composed really really bugs me | 12:03 |
| rpierce99 | they should at least have a standards compliant querystring, headervalue, alternate server, something | 12:03 |
| rpierce99 | and for all we know, they do have that | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | i'll shoot him an email now | 12:03 |
| arrrghhh | he might be able to place me in contact with someone who can actually do something about it.. | 12:03 |
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| hyc | hmmmmm. when i was googling sprint mms issues i ran across a post from someone | 12:04 |
| hyc | saying that your mms delivery mech was a setting in your account. | 12:05 |
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| hyc | older accounts got picture mail | 12:05 |
| rpierce99 | i saw that too | 12:05 |
| rpierce99 | i read another one that said they don't do picture mail anymore | 12:05 |
| hyc | so yeah, maybe they have a compliant server somewhere | 12:05 |
| rpierce99 | but we don't pick the download server | 12:06 |
| rpierce99 | so it would have to be an account setting | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | fawk | 12:06 |
| hyc | but since they think you have a winmo phone, they send you this crap | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | i'm still emailing my buddy lol | 12:06 |
| rpierce99 | arrrghhh: if it's an account setting there's a chance that even lower-down folks like CC reps can fix it | 12:06 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | i just want to see what the issue actually is | 12:07 |
| hyc | ideally of course, they should decide based on the x-wap-profile | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | i'm hoping he can help me get to the heart of the problem. | 12:07 |
| arrrghhh | which he may or may not be able to do... | 12:07 |
| hyc | well, i'm curious to see what he says | 12:07 |
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| hyc | it's also interesting that google is aware of the problem and patched gb. | 12:12 |
| hyc | you would think they would tell Sprint something.... | 12:12 |
| arrrghhh | email sent. this should be good. | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | he's not technical... at all. lol | 12:13 |
| hyc | oh fun | 12:13 |
| hyc | ;) | 12:13 |
| rpierce99 | hyc: does GB handle the 2 pars properly? | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea. he's a salesman. but he works on gigantic public sector accts, and has worked for sprint (nextel back in the day) for over a decade. | 12:13 |
| arrrghhh | so he knows people within the company. | 12:14 |
| hyc | i didn't look | 12:14 |
| hyc | dunno hw else you would fix it, besides setting a default duration whenever it comes up zero | 12:15 |
| rpierce99 | ignore text pars | 12:15 |
| rpierce99 | well yeah, duration | 12:15 |
| hyc | but other ones might be "real", composed by the sender | 12:16 |
| hyc | ignorin pars seems dicy | 12:16 |
| rpierce99 | i've never seen an mms device that lets you compose rich text mmses | 12:16 |
| hyc | there's code for it in froyo | 12:16 |
| hyc | dunno how you get to it ;) | 12:17 |
| hyc | but look at slideshoweditor.java and junk like that | 12:17 |
| rpierce99 | is slideshoweditor part of the mms apk? | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | i don't have my dev env open | 12:18 |
| hyc | yeah | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | interesting | 12:18 |
| rpierce99 | i guess i can kind of see like <text></image><text><image> being a valid slideshow | 12:20 |
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| rpierce99 | so yeah, sprint needs to not screw with the pars | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:21 |
| arrrghhh | i'm curious to see what my buddy says. | 12:22 |
| rpierce99 | i'm curious how you explained this problem to someone who isn't technical :) | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | just asked him to put me in contact with someone who would be able to help | 12:22 |
| arrrghhh | and explained briefly the issue... | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | i linked him to the post, but he'll get lost in it surely. but he know's people in the company, i'm hoping he shows them the page. | 12:23 |
| arrrghhh | or puts me in direct contact with them, that would be cool :D | 12:24 |
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| xdandroid | Donation received! Thanks, Tim Stonick, who says: Amazing! Kudos! All power to the people. Try Bad Religion's "The Dissent of Man" | 12:39 |
| rpierce99 | /random | 12:40 |
| emwe | horray for not knowing the build system entirely... | 12:49 |
| emwe | hyc: you know quickly where all build targets are copied together for the sytem image? | 12:50 |
| emwe | trying to find the place where it fetches the gps lib | 12:50 |
| emwe | (gb that is) | 12:50 |
| emwe | btw, i just merged+pushed bionic which fixes the gb build. if i had known this was that easy... | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 12:51 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, thank you. | 12:51 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: think that's the price one has to pay for not knowing everything about the build system and what components tie into what. | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 12:52 |
| emwe | always thought it was that externel/kernel-headers/ project needed to be attracted. | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | you can't know it all | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | i try, but fail. | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, on the other hand... | 12:52 |
| emwe | knows it all cause his age. :P | 12:53 |
| hyc | emwe sorry, havent done anything with gb | 12:53 |
| emwe | i wan't to get rid of that library in the system image. always causes reboot | 12:54 |
| emwe | and when i build again, always forget to remove it via adb on boot | 12:54 |
| emwe | hyc: if i may ask, what was your age? | 12:54 |
| hyc | i guess you can ask..... | 12:55 |
| emwe | .. but get no answer ;) | 12:55 |
| hyc | 44 | 12:55 |
| toadlife | old | 12:55 |
| toadlife | heh | 12:55 |
| toadlife | nm. That's not old | 12:55 |
| emwe | oh there's some 14 years experience ahead... but from your tellings you were way beyond me with 30 already ;) | 12:55 |
| emwe | beyond? ahead i mean. | 12:56 |
| emwe | oh english... | 12:56 |
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| hyc | heh | 12:58 |
| emwe | i think you grasped what i meant :) | 12:59 |
| hyc | i wrote my first game in basic when i was 11 | 12:59 |
| hyc | so ive been at this computing thing for a while... | 12:59 |
| arrrghhh | yea my grandpa showed me apple basic when i was 6 | 13:00 |
| emwe | i think i got my C64 with 11 or something. 2 years after the wall wen't down. | 13:00 |
| rpierce99 | well, guess I better start my son on this stuff | 13:00 |
| emwe | my uncle was one of the lucky GDR person being a programmer with pascal. he showed me a bit but then i was like no-coding until studies | 13:00 |
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| hyc | i got into this from my own interest. i think if someone had told me to look at it i would have gone a different direction | 13:03 |
| GPFerror_ | hyc which computer at 11? | 13:03 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i'm all self-taught (probably why i know next to nothing :P) but he got me interested in it. | 13:03 |
| hyc | data general eclipse timeshare, decwriter ii, 300 baud acoustic coupler... | 13:04 |
| GPFerror_ | cool | 13:05 |
| hyc | i couldn't afford a computer of my own, use the school system's. got into programming HP calculators. | 13:05 |
| GPFerror_ | i started on the vic 20 when it came out i think around 81 | 13:05 |
| hyc | wrote a bunch of games for my HP 25c, 15c, and eventually 41c when I culd afford one | 13:05 |
| GPFerror_ | compuserv 300 baud modem | 13:06 |
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| hyc | i used them all. at friends' houses. vic20, c64, sinclair zx80, zx81... | 13:07 |
| hyc | made friends with computer store owners, used their systems... | 13:07 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:07 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 13:07 |
| hyc | finally got to college and had all the access i could ever use. 24 hour keycard access to engineering labs... | 13:08 |
| arrrghhh | o yea | 13:09 |
| hyc | had to take freshman computing first term, i was TA'ing it 2nd term. :p | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | heh, i was a TA in my first CSCI class | 13:09 |
| arrrghhh | kinda wish i had continued down that path... oh well. | 13:10 |
| hyc | Got hired at the computing center and never looked back. | 13:10 |
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| hyc | got my degree in computer engin but it was a waste of time. i already knew more about software design than most of those profs. | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:11 |
| arrrghhh | how did you learn? | 13:11 |
| hyc | just a formality getting the degree. | 13:11 |
| hyc | i was very bored most summers jr high thru high school. read every computer book in the library. | 13:12 |
| arrrghhh | dang | 13:12 |
| hyc | obsolete languages like pl/1 and apl, whatever they had. | 13:12 |
| hyc | fortran, pascal, system architecture, os designs. | 13:13 |
| arrrghhh | i can't read those books cover to cover | 13:13 |
| hyc | almost all of it was from the 60s. outdated stuff. | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | i don't absorb the info ha | 13:14 |
| hyc | but principles of system design don't change much | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | true | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | just get more bloated :P | 13:14 |
| * hyc groans | 13:15 | |
| arrrghhh | with old systems like the c64, you had to be creative to get stuff to fit in that tiny space, so efficient design was key. | 13:15 |
| hyc | yeah | 13:15 |
| arrrghhh | nowadays... just add another gig of ram, who cares if the software abuses it. | 13:15 |
| hyc | in college i bought my first actual cmputer - atari 800xl | 13:16 |
| hyc | always trying to shave bytes... | 13:16 |
| hyc | but that was also true from my days programming calculators | 13:16 |
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| hyc | the 25c only had a 49-instruction memory | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | little different now | 13:17 |
| hyc | yeah | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | assembly is a forgotten art. | 13:17 |
| hyc | computers are smarter, programmers are dumber | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | how the hell did that happen? | 13:18 |
| hyc | imo it's a dangerous trend | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | i guess anyone can be a programmer nowadays. | 13:18 |
| hyc | anyone can *claim* to be. :p | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:19 |
| arrrghhh | people keep calling me a dev in the forums. i have to correct them, i'm a layman :P | 13:19 |
| hyc | heh. does that make you a deacon? | 13:20 |
| Detule | i seemed to have tuned in at the right moment - hyc's life story :) | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | somethin like that | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 13:20 |
| hyc | lol | 13:20 |
| hyc | i learned 6502 asm on the apple ii in high school | 13:21 |
| Detule | carry on....didn't mean to interupt, i'll just continue busting my head against the wall trying to cross compile nilfs2-utils | 13:21 |
| hyc | was amazed that assembly language was a 3rd year course in college | 13:21 |
| hyc | and most of my classmates couldn't understand bits, bytes, or binary math | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 13:22 |
| hyc | had fun in one system arch class. homework was to write a multiplier for mips3000 | 13:24 |
| hyc | me and a buddy were spinning out version after ersion, trying to see who could write the smallest/fastest | 13:25 |
| hyc | the rest of the class was still struggling to assemble any code at all | 13:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:25 |
| arrrghhh | beginning programming classes were like that for me too. always making newer versions, when others couldn't even get the basic concept.. | 13:25 |
| hyc | yeah | 13:26 |
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| hyc | i won, of course. and my multiplier was even faster than the one written by the mips engineers ;) | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | dang | 13:27 |
| arrrghhh | you are a madman :P | 13:27 |
| hyc | :D | 13:27 |
| hyc | my TA graded it and said "you shouldn't use tricks like this" | 13:28 |
| toadlife | arrrghhh, I'm disappointed in you. | 13:28 |
| arrrghhh | wha'd i do now | 13:28 |
| toadlife | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13919929#post13919929 | 13:28 |
| arrrghhh | you've got to be kidding me | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | that's his problem? | 13:29 |
| toadlife | Unless I read it wrong, yeah | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | bleh. | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | can't fix stupid. | 13:29 |
| toadlife | Now, now | 13:30 |
| rpierce99 | since when does a bad rel_path cause a kernel panic instead of couldn't find rootfs | 13:30 |
| toadlife | I dunno | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i thought would've happened | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | no rel_path, or invalid rel_path = can't find rootfs... | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | meh. | 13:31 |
| toadlife | yeah, maybe that's not his problem | 13:31 |
| toadlife | But he never said he modified the startup.txt | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | i'm disappointed in your disappointment. | 13:31 |
| hyc | lol | 13:31 |
| toadlife | he said he 'copied it over' | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | yea, he didn't really provide good info | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | hard to troubleshoot ... | 13:31 |
| toadlife | Speaking of stupid, I stayed up until 3AM this morning trying to get my partitioned build to work. I got it it to work on the second try and then when I tried to do it on my main sdcard it kept failing. After going through all kinds of extreme steps, including modifying the init script in the initrd.gz, I realized that I was not putting the full path to the root_partion in my startup.txt.... | 13:36 |
| toadlife | ...e.g. I was putting root_partition=mmcblk0p2 instead of root_partition=/dev/block/mmcblk0p2 | 13:36 |
| toadlife | So please have a laugh at my expense | 13:37 |
| nautis | its always the simple things | 13:37 |
| toadlife | I deserve it | 13:37 |
| hyc | lol | 13:37 |
| rpierce99 | i didn't change startup.txt at all, FWIW | 13:37 |
| rpierce99 | oh you moved your rootfs over too | 13:38 |
| toadlife | Yep. The full monty! | 13:38 |
| hyc | cool | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | why does java never work. | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | UGH | 13:38 |
| toadlife | Oracle hasn't had enough time to make it unbreakable. | 13:40 |
| arrrghhh | i don't know if it's my company policies or what | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | but it seems every time i need to use java, it's broken again. | 13:41 |
| hyc | as if it's ever not broken...? | 13:41 |
| toadlife | Trust me. java doesn't need your company policies to break. | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | usually this is the fix - uninstall everything java related, and install the newest version | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | usually works *for that session* | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | next time i need it, busted again. | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | we're supposed to be tracking a lot of our time. well i need a 'fucking fix java' project to track time against. | 13:42 |
| hyc | probably someone else doing the exact same thing | 13:42 |
| toadlife | One of the peices of software we push out to all desktops is the JRE. Every few releases the installer will fail to uninstall and I have to write a script to manually rip it out | 13:43 |
| hyc | just with a different version than you | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | i remember some weird deployment.properties file | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | that the support dept would muck with. | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | java.com is the most visited site in chrome | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | that's sad. | 13:46 |
| arrrghhh | yup, just confirmed with the support dept. they push the deployment.properties thru policy. | 13:47 |
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| touchpro | hello, was wondering if hyc's ril could eventually be used on vogue, ours doesnt seem that great and it looks like hyc is doing big things with what hes working on | 16:32 |
| rpierce99 | hyc's ril used the vogue community ril as a base, I'm sure it could be adapter, I'd be surprised if it worked right out of the box though | 16:34 |
| rpierce99 | s/adapter/adapted/ | 16:34 |
| touchpro | yeah probably some bugs here and there, it works for what i use it for (data) but the signal seems excessively jumpy | 16:34 |
| rpierce99 | like the bars? | 16:35 |
| touchpro | yeah | 16:35 |
| touchpro | and if your in 3g and you drop to 1x only a soft reset will put you back into 3g | 16:35 |
| rpierce99 | yeah i know he tweaked that (the bars), probably pretty easy to tweak it back if it's not right for your phone | 16:35 |
| rpierce99 | i'm not sure how all that stuff works though | 16:35 |
| touchpro | yeah im not either, i figure ill wait until hes done doing what hes doing then see if i can figure something out on my vogue | 16:36 |
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| jonpry | hi emwe | 16:55 |
| emwe | hi | 16:55 |
| jonpry | do you by chance have a logcat from a .35 boot? i am trying to see what is making 39 hang system_server | 16:56 |
| emwe | one sec. | 16:58 |
| jonpry | ever see this same problem on topaz? | 16:59 |
| emwe | no, nothing. but i am on gb. | 17:00 |
| emwe | i can only get you a gb logcat btw | 17:00 |
| emwe | jonpry: on it's way via mail. | 17:02 |
| jonpry | ok thanks. no froyo for you? | 17:02 |
| emwe | not since "ages" | 17:03 |
| emwe | hm, well, i could reboot the raph... been running since 24h idling | 17:04 |
| jonpry | isn't gb all messed up? | 17:04 |
| emwe | messed up? working just fine except gps | 17:04 |
| emwe | that messes it up :) | 17:04 |
| jonpry | i suppose thats good enough | 17:04 |
| emwe | and those freaking incall freezes on topa :P | 17:04 |
| jonpry | i'd have to download/patch/rebuild for 39 though | 17:04 |
| emwe | those tls fixes? | 17:05 |
| jonpry | you have sound on 35 now? | 17:05 |
| jonpry | yeah | 17:05 |
| emwe | yeah sound is there. | 17:05 |
| emwe | something screws when incoming call with ringtone is happening. | 17:05 |
| emwe | audioflinger waiting on configuration change which never happens and then audpp seems to get stuck | 17:06 |
| jonpry | hmm. the qdsp i have is from oldish 35 of yours and it doesn't work :p | 17:06 |
| emwe | sounds been initially working for about a month at least. longer i think | 17:07 |
| jonpry | userland acoustic? | 17:07 |
| emwe | i just recently switched to userland acoustic | 17:07 |
| emwe | like a week ago or so it got pushed | 17:07 |
| jonpry | does it work right? | 17:07 |
| emwe | sound just works. calling too. (except that incall bug) | 17:08 |
| emwe | have to make outcall first or disable ringtones... then fine | 17:08 |
| emwe | ofc no h2w routing or anything | 17:08 |
| emwe | that depends on kernel work. | 17:08 |
| emwe | topa misses that on .27 as well | 17:08 |
| jonpry | i'm dying for usb | 17:09 |
| emwe | that was tough but i took parts from alex and the rest from devices_htc.c | 17:09 |
| emwe | for not reinventing the weel | 17:09 |
| emwe | so the board setup is rather small again | 17:09 |
| emwe | it's a little different then .27 though regarding notify_usb_connected which actually the on battsmem on .35 not htc_usb.c' | 17:10 |
| jonpry | in 39 there is an integrated gadget framework | 17:11 |
| emwe | that's likely out of my knowledge ;) happy usb and adb works :) | 17:11 |
| jonpry | i don't know how to make it work either | 17:12 |
| emwe | ah, so you can't take the "old way" at all? | 17:12 |
| emwe | msm_hsusb devices and such? | 17:12 |
| jonpry | 72k_udc at least won't compile with the new gadget headers | 17:14 |
| jonpry | but the old usb function thingy might work | 17:14 |
| jonpry | there is also all this new code which looks really cool. but i can't figure out how to setup the pdata. no examples. and it doesn't have stuff for PHY init | 17:15 |
| emwe | msm-2.6.38 from ca any help? | 17:15 |
| jonpry | i'll probably need to go through the CA stuff to see whats going on | 17:18 |
| emwe | hightest "msm-version" i see is theirs | 17:18 |
| emwe | i will head to bed now. good luck on your trials! | 17:18 |
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| toadlife | Weird. My wifi would connect but was not able to get a dhcp address. logcat showed dhcpd failing to access /data/misc/dhcp/dhcp*.pid. Had to rm the files. Unix ugliness always manages to shine through the facade. | 18:53 |
| toadlife | Wonder how Apple manages it. ;P | 18:53 |
| arrrghhh | it's bsd | 18:56 |
| toadlife | Bastardized BSD, but yeah. | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | but of course | 18:58 |
| toadlife | I've allways though BSD to be more elegant than Linux. | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | in many ways, it is... | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | in some ways it's a PITA | 18:58 |
| arrrghhh | but it's rock-solid. | 18:58 |
| toadlife | I've been a BSD fan for years | 18:58 |
| toadlife | I learned Unix of FreeBSD | 18:59 |
| toadlife | on | 18:59 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | that's cool | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | a lot of the core routers i helped setup @ this small isp were runnin freebsd. | 19:00 |
| arrrghhh | well, in fact... all of the boxes we built that were used as routers etc ran freebsd... | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | for a while that company provided a box with every freakin internet cxn lol | 19:01 |
| arrrghhh | that predated me tho. | 19:01 |
| toadlife | Yeah I ran a BSD router (DSL + pppoe) at home on an old desktop for four years. I replaced it with WRAP box + M0n0wall. That's been humming along for three years now. | 19:03 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 19:04 |
| toadlife | ONly thing I've bene able to do at work with Unix was a few years back. I got an old Pentium II 300 box, set it up with spassasin and postifx and stuck in front of our student email server. It ran for two fucking years straight | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:05 |
| arrrghhh | that's what they are designed to do | 19:05 |
| toadlife | Then someone higher up than me decided that we needed something that was 'supported', so he spent thousands of dollars on a barracuda | 19:05 |
| toadlife | That Barracuda has NOT been reliable | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:06 |
| toadlife | But hney, we get 'support' | 19:06 |
| toadlife | Still bitter about that | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 19:06 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i'm having that same argument with our network monitoring setup | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | it's outdated, but *always* worked. | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | i looked at updating it myself, and my boss wants something "supported" | 19:07 |
| toadlife | Get used to it. That's how corporate world works | 19:07 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | they want to be able to call someone if i get run over by a bus | 19:08 |
| toadlife | lol | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | and if i implemented something like zenoss, apparently no one would be able to pickup where i left off | 19:08 |
| toadlife | That's EXACTLY what they said about me and the BSD spam server | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 19:08 |
| arrrghhh | oh well | 19:09 |
| toadlife | yeah | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | they expect me to know how to fix everything | 19:09 |
| arrrghhh | but they also want to be able to pickup the phone and have someone else fix things just as easily. | 19:09 |
| toadlife | I just dodged a $2000 a month pay cut. State budget cuts have been drastic. They held a lottery between me and my friend (we both got hired on the same date) and I won. ;( He's getting the cut. | 19:10 |
| toadlife | And our junior tech, who is really smart (at least as smart as me) is getting the axe. | 19:11 |
| toadlife | sucks | 19:11 |
| arrrghhh | zomg | 19:11 |
| toadlife | State of CA budget is in shambles. Gov Brown wanted to put up a tax increase to a vote, which would have saved us, but legslators blocked it. | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea, didn't realize you were in CA | 19:12 |
| toadlife | Anyhow I only get a 5% cut. Woohoo I guess. :\ | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | we're in the hole too | 19:12 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | my dad had a 30% pay cut in like 2005 | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | & lost his pension | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | all at the same time... | 19:13 |
| toadlife | ouch. double ouch | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | airline pilot | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | they experienced the recession well before anyone else... | 19:13 |
| toadlife | Oh yeah. Pilots area treated like burger flippers nowadays | 19:13 |
| arrrghhh | yup | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | i heard they start @ 16k/yr | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | wtf. | 19:14 |
| toadlife | yeah. That's a joke | 19:14 |
| toadlife | You could literally almost make that *flipping burgers*. | 19:14 |
| arrrghhh | uh... yea. | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | probably more, cuz they make hourly lol | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | well i guess pilots do too, nvm. | 19:15 |
| toadlife | My Dad flew helicopters in the army and air force. He didn't do that for a living though. | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | still, that's outrageous. look at what they used to get paid in the 60's & 70's | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | my dad said dollar for dollar it's basically the same what he gets now | 19:15 |
| arrrghhh | and he gets paid well now... but back then? | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | fuck. they all had their own airplanes, they could afford it! | 19:16 |
| toadlife | It's okay. Those tax cuts for the top 0.1% will eventually trickle down to us. ;P | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | right? | 19:16 |
| arrrghhh | that top percent is getting so small too. | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | it's insane... | 19:17 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, so i got a few emails back from sprint... nothing juicy yet tho. | 19:21 |
| rpierce99 | are you just working your way to someone who knows wtf you are talking about? | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | basically | 19:25 |
| arrrghhh | my buddy passed me to a "Public Sector Solutions Engineer" | 19:26 |
| arrrghhh | who said he's going to "ask his messaging team if they're aware of the issue" | 19:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 19:26 |
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| arrrghhh | my foot is in the proverbial door, who knows if it'll lead anywhere. i'm really curious to see what they say... | 19:27 |
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| rpierce99 | better get your foot out of the door, it'll get slammed | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | meh | 19:28 |
| toadlife | "Public Sector Solutions Engineer" = 2nd level tech support? | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | you saying my service is going to get cut off? lol | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, bwhahaha | 19:28 |
| arrrghhh | i doubt it | 19:28 |
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| toadlife | Hey I tried virtualbox for the first time last night. For one-off virtual machines, I like it much better than VMware. VMware server would not allow me to hook any usb device to the VM. Virtualbox would. | 19:36 |
| arrrghhh | yea, virtualbox is awesome | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | oracle hasn't even done that much since acquiring innotek | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | from what i can tell :P | 19:37 |
| toadlife | Yeah I am really out of the loop. Had not idea how awesome it was | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | yea i used it a loooong time ago | 19:37 |
| arrrghhh | don't really have a rig powerful enough to comfortably run a vm | 19:38 |
| arrrghhh | my server... kinda can. the only machine i have that has the virtualization acceleration or whatever in the processor arch. | 19:38 |
| toadlife | We have Vmware ESX + blade center + giant SAN at work. Been using it since 2004. | 19:38 |
| toadlife | lol. powerfull enough? I was running my Ubuntu VM on my four year old laptop. | 19:39 |
| toadlife | Worked ok! | 19:39 |
| arrrghhh | yea, but it probably wasn't speedy :P | 19:39 |
| arrrghhh | and your host OS? did it choke? :P | 19:39 |
| toadlife | No. Host in Windows 7. THe latpop has 2GB of RAM | 19:39 |
| toadlife | And I only gave the VM 512MB | 19:40 |
| toadlife | I just used it to set up my partition build | 19:40 |
| toadlife | I did a full upgrade on the VM. It took no more than an hour or so. Not bad. | 19:40 |
| toadlife | Virtual box loaded the vmware vmdk file directly, so I didn't have to set up the OS again. That was nice. | 19:41 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 19:42 |
| arrrghhh | they really did a great job on that software | 19:42 |
| toadlife | I'm going to pull out our old desktop, get it running and get a Linux/BSD box back up and running. It | 19:42 |
| arrrghhh | dynamically expanding images | 19:42 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 19:42 |
| toadlife | If I'm going to mucking with Android, I need a UNIX os. | 19:43 |
| arrrghhh | it is helpful | 19:43 |
| toadlife | Time to go home... | 20:06 |
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| stinebd | ridiculous | 20:08 |
| stinebd | the motorola freakin atrix feels ghetto to me | 20:08 |
| * stinebd gingerbread snob | 20:08 | |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:09 |
| arrrghhh | how's our gb comin? :P | 20:10 |
| stinebd | good question | 20:10 |
| stinebd | i shall defer you to our lead tester, arrrghhh@xdandroid.com | 20:10 |
| arrrghhh | so it's not. | 20:10 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:10 |
| rpierce99 | we need a lead libgps developer | 20:11 |
| arrrghhh | we need to convince hyc gingerbread is awesome. | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | trick him into developing on it | 20:12 |
| rpierce99 | i'd rather have a perfect froyo and port everything over later than 2 half working builds | 20:12 |
| arrrghhh | froyo is almost thar | 20:13 |
| stinebd | it's not just a matter of "porting everything over" | 20:14 |
| stinebd | as evidenced by gps | 20:15 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:15 |
| rpierce99 | my point stands though | 20:15 |
| stinebd | gps and codecs are particularly problematic | 20:15 |
| stinebd | no it doesnt | 20:15 |
| stinebd | since we'll never have a perfect froyo anyway | 20:16 |
| stinebd | so there | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | ;,ap | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | er | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | stinebd, it will be PERFECT | 20:16 |
| * arrrghhh whips stinebd | 20:16 | |
| rpierce99 | but arrrghhh says we're almost THAR | 20:16 |
| stinebd | arrrghhh doesn't know winmo from a hole in the ground | 20:16 |
| arrrghhh | eh, i dunno if we'll ever get XTRA | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | we've made great progress, you must admit. | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | not sure it'll be identical 100% to a native device tho. | 20:17 |
| stinebd | that's a good thing | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | hardware-wise, there's really only prox sensor and 3.5mm | 20:17 |
| stinebd | native devices ship with crap like motoblur and sense | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | not all | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | but yea a lot do | 20:17 |
| stinebd | the only ones our cheap-ass users will use | 20:17 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:18 |
| arrrghhh | whatcha tryin to say | 20:18 |
| stinebd | also whatever that stupid samsung interface is | 20:18 |
| arrrghhh | touchwiz | 20:18 |
| stinebd | terrible | 20:18 |
| arrrghhh | mmmhmmm | 20:18 |
| nautis | holy sex, nookbuntu | 20:18 |
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| jonpry | hi stinebd | 20:19 |
| jonpry | how can i stop system server from wrecking my life | 20:19 |
| stinebd | fix sensors, that's how i did it | 20:20 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 20:20 |
| hyc | gb might be cool, but i prefer targets where i can see the end. light at the end of the tunnel'n'all | 20:35 |
| hyc | froyo is in great shape now, works great as a daily use phone | 20:36 |
| hyc | splitting dev resources across multiple projects just slows everyone down. | 20:37 |
| hyc | pick a few milestones, reach them together, then move on to the next. | 20:38 |
| hyc | we still don't have a mainline .35 kernel for general use... | 20:39 |
| hyc | get a solid 100% (or even 98%) complete froyo build out on .35. then spend time on the next version. by then, you'll have fairly complete understanding of all the h/w | 20:44 |
| hyc | and thee move will be relatively easy. | 20:44 |
| hyc | right now there's so many loose ends, poorly understood, or not understood at all. | 20:44 |
| hyc | just fumbling aroun in the dark. | 20:45 |
| hyc | minimize the unknowns... you can succeed when only the h/w is unknown, but the s/w environment is understood perfectly. | 20:46 |
| hyc | or vice versa | 20:46 |
| hyc | but messing around when the kernel, the userland, *and* the hardware are all full of unknowns... | 20:47 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | problem is everyone's talents lie in different areas (for the most part) | 20:48 |
| arrrghhh | so everyone works where they're comfortable, and everyone hopes that gaps are filled :P | 20:50 |
| hyc | too bad. it's not like a jigsaw puzzle, where everyone can start in a different spot and eventually everyone joins up. | 20:51 |
| hyc | if you don't have a working base, you can't successfully test anything else. | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 20:52 |
| arrrghhh | well... | 20:52 |
| hyc | and if you can't successfully test, you can't learn. | 20:53 |
| hyc | the effort is wasted. | 20:53 |
| arrrghhh | eh i dunno | 20:53 |
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| arrrghhh | devs came quite a long way. although you're right, it's just hard to get people to commit to something in their free time :P | 20:54 |
| arrrghhh | people just work on what they enjoy working on for the most part, sucks.. but c'est la vie. can't force people to code crap they don't want to work on. | 20:54 |
| hyc | i guess that's true | 20:54 |
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| arrrghhh | you've been a rare gem hyc. honestly. most don't venture outside of their comfort zone :P | 20:56 |
| hyc | but it should be obvious that one solid build is better than 2 (or more) incomplete ones. | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | well yes of course | 20:56 |
| hyc | lol | 20:56 |
| hyc | anything with a cpu is my comfort zone ;) | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 20:56 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps that is the difference. | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | most devs either fall on the userland side or the kernel side | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | obviously no body fell on the RIL side lol :P | 20:57 |
| hyc | LOL | 20:57 |
| arrrghhh | i'm really curious to see what comes of my MMS query to Sprint | 20:58 |
| arrrghhh | as a consumer, i wouldn't even know where to start. if i just called customer service, they'd have no freaking clue. | 20:58 |
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| arrrghhh | i hope they don't just blow me off... not holding my breath either. | 20:59 |
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| hyc | heh, will be interesting | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | i referenced your post | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | and mentioned that if they have more questions i can put them in contact with you | 21:02 |
| arrrghhh | hope that's ok ;) | 21:03 |
| hyc | cool | 21:03 |
| hyc | i did some work with sprint back in 2005. don't think any of my contacts still work there tho | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 21:04 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i don't exactly know the right person per se... but i'm hoping he knows the right people :P | 21:04 |
| hyc | they were in the core network, but they probably knew the mmsc too | 21:05 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 21:05 |
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| rpierce99 | jcmsVEN: come to tell us how awesome android is? | 21:10 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:10 |
| jcmsVEN | awesome! | 21:12 |
| hyc | lol | 21:13 |
| jcmsVEN | Finally I don't have Windows Mobile!!! | 21:13 |
| rpierce99 | i say "how awesome" you don't say "awesome", that's like "how high?" "high" | 21:14 |
| jcmsVEN | Es Vergatario Compae... | 21:24 |
| xdandroid | Donation received! Thanks, Juan Carlos Monsalve (jcmsVEN), who says: Para seguirles apoyando por este trabajo impresionante! Sigan adelante con el desarrollo! | 21:25 |
| manekineko | trouble with FRX as far as I see it is no matter how feature complete it gets, it'll most likely always be agonizingly slow | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:26 |
| jcmsVEN | http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=Para+seguirles+apoyando+por+este+trabajo+impresionante!+Sigan+adelante+con+el+desarrollo!&sl=es&tl=en# | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | it's really not that bad. | 21:26 |
| manekineko | last time I tried out FRX I could only take it for a few days, despite all the features working | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 21:26 |
| jcmsVEN | ;-) | 21:26 |
| manekineko | got sick of missing phone calls because the system is so slow to bring up the incoming call screen | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, that reminds me - i couldn't find your post on how to remove all the crap from startup | 21:26 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, yea that is annoying. | 21:27 |
| manekineko | or waiting 10 seconds for the home screen to come up when I need to check the time | 21:27 |
| hyc | manekineko: I've never had that | 21:27 |
| manekineko | which one of those? | 21:27 |
| manekineko | missed call, or ultra slow app switching | 21:27 |
| hyc | 10 seconds for home screen? | 21:27 |
| manekineko | okay, maybe that's an exaggeration, 5 seconds? | 21:28 |
| manekineko | heh | 21:28 |
| manekineko | how's the speed compare to your G1 on FRX? | 21:28 |
| hyc | it's generally better than the G1 | 21:28 |
| manekineko | huh wow | 21:28 |
| hyc | usually once an app is running, the G1 is fine | 21:28 |
| hyc | but switching is sluggish | 21:29 |
| hyc | the G1 is RAM-starved | 21:29 |
| hyc | this phone, generally has enough RAM most of the time | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | tp2 only has like what, 100mb more? | 21:29 |
| manekineko | 125 vs. 256 right? | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | i guess that's a big diff when there's only 192 | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | 192 vs 288 | 21:29 |
| hyc | something like that. it makes a huge diff. | 21:29 |
| arrrghhh | note - i'm not accounting for gfx | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | just raw RAM | 21:30 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13158825&postcount=22 | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | thx | 21:30 |
| manekineko | even switching home screens was slow on FRX I thought | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | manekineko, not really | 21:30 |
| arrrghhh | although i don't use the stock launcher | 21:31 |
| hyc | which one do you use? I use ADW on the G1 | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | same | 21:31 |
| hyc | most cyanogen ROMs do | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | ADW EX | 21:31 |
| rpierce99 | yeah zeam with animations turned off is pretty snappy | 21:31 |
| manekineko | hmm, maybe I'll give it another shot when FRX07 comes out then, but it was pretty painful I thought when switching back for netloc | 21:31 |
| manekineko | yeah, I use Zeam, it's the fastest of them | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | i like loc too much | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | and data :P | 21:31 |
| hyc | lol. yeah | 21:31 |
| manekineko | heh data is fine now on GRX | 21:31 |
| arrrghhh | it doesn't crap out after every phone call? | 21:32 |
| hyc | GBX. :P | 21:32 |
| manekineko | oh well, that, I just toggle it after calls | 21:32 |
| arrrghhh | yea, that sucks. | 21:32 |
| manekineko | is it GBX or GRX? it seems to change back and forth | 21:32 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i think that was my fault. i assumed it was GBX. stinebd said he wanted it to be GRX. i told him i'd change it, but he told me to leave it... | 21:32 |
| arrrghhh | GBX makes more sense to me... meh. | 21:32 |
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| stinebd | lol | 21:40 |
| stinebd | son of a BITCH | 21:40 |
| stinebd | my phone will be here friday | 21:40 |
| stinebd | and i won't | 21:40 |
| arrrghhh | suck | 21:40 |
| stinebd | i am in awe | 21:41 |
| stinebd | i cannot believe they repaired it that fast | 21:41 |
| stinebd | or at all really | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | that is pretty quick turnaround time | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 21:41 |
| arrrghhh | you're lucky there for sure. | 21:41 |
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| ilkinansr92 | sup guys | 21:46 |
| manekineko | hola | 21:46 |
| ilkinansr92 | how u guys doin | 21:47 |
| stinebd | <3 continental | 21:48 |
| stinebd | 2 free bags per person | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | hey that's who mah pappy flies for | 21:48 |
| stinebd | pilot? | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | flyin outta newark i'd imagine. | 21:48 |
| arrrghhh | yes. captain now... | 21:48 |
| stinebd | ooh | 21:48 |
| stinebd | does he do intl? | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | nothing but | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | flies to narita in fact | 21:49 |
| stinebd | wow | 21:49 |
| stinebd | let me know his name and i'll pester him and get busted by the air marshall | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | i'll ask him if he's flying hahaha | 21:49 |
| stinebd | flight 9 tomorrow | 21:49 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 21:50 |
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| arrrghhh | weird | 21:58 |
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| arrrghhh | activity phone is not responding | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | FU | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | HRM | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | oops | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | hrm. | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | lol.. perhaps i should try gb | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | again* | 22:12 |
| arrrghhh | i miss way too many phone calls in froyo... | 22:13 |
| rpierce99 | stop playin' da angry birdz | 22:13 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:14 |
| arrrghhh | i have no such game tainting this device. | 22:14 |
| rpierce99 | hehe, you said taint | 22:14 |
| arrrghhh | giggity | 22:15 |
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