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| hyc | mizofizo: sent you a pm on the xda-developers forum | 01:26 |
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| Recnamoruen | hello android people | 02:38 |
| Recnamoruen | Does anyone know the mms settings for verizon i need? | 02:38 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, dang man. you aren't kidding... did you see his logs? | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | he just pulled the dropbox folder, which means empty empty logs. | 12:52 |
| hyc | I just saw | 12:52 |
| hyc | sheesh | 12:52 |
| hyc | I told him dmesg or klogd | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | this guy. | 12:52 |
| hyc | whatever | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | did he mention which older kernel? | 12:52 |
| hyc | nope | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | or just vaguely said an older kernel lol | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | awesome. | 12:52 |
| arrrghhh | yea, screw it. | 12:52 |
| hyc | just his last post in my thread | 12:53 |
| hyc | at this point, it's working near 100% | 12:53 |
| hyc | any problems people have now are bound to be unrelated | 12:53 |
| arrrghhh | user error :P | 12:53 |
| hyc | hmmm | 12:53 |
| hyc | tho I guess we could use a log from fake GSM mode to see why DTMF isn't working | 12:53 |
| hyc | you up for that? | 12:54 |
| hyc | probably no reboot required - just go into airplane mode first | 12:54 |
| hyc | then do the sqlite3 command, set value="0" | 12:55 |
| rpierce99 | arrrghhh is probably tethered | 12:55 |
| hyc | eh good point | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | i am | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | i can tho | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | unless rpierce99 do you mind? | 12:55 |
| rpierce99 | no, i need to get hyc's ril into my daily build anyways, and it's still fake gsm | 12:55 |
| arrrghhh | o right | 12:55 |
| hyc | ah cool | 12:56 |
| arrrghhh | pussy | 12:56 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 12:56 |
| hyc | hahahaha | 12:56 |
| hyc | come on, we even have call waiting now. sort of. :P | 12:56 |
| arrrghhh | sort of hahaha | 12:56 |
| arrrghhh | did you need me to do more testing on that btw? | 12:57 |
| hyc | I asked mizofizo for a rilspy log | 12:57 |
| hyc | won't have anything new till I get that | 12:57 |
| arrrghhh | coolio | 12:57 |
| rpierce99 | you want me to use 3cdf593? | 12:58 |
| hyc | sure | 12:58 |
| hyc | Does your Call Settings menu have a TTY Mode option? | 13:04 |
| arrrghhh | nope. voicemail service, settings & voice privacy (grayed out) | 13:05 |
| hyc | ok | 13:06 |
| hyc | I have that on my hero | 13:06 |
| hyc | and just snagged voice privacy logs from my hero | 13:06 |
| hyc | so I can add that in a minute | 13:06 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 13:06 |
| hyc | the value seems to be inverted, if the modem reports 1 it's disabled | 13:06 |
| hyc | and 0 is enabled? strange... | 13:07 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 13:07 |
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| Detule | so, call waiting i tested it briefly this morning and it was working fine, what's the sort of i should watch out for | 13:13 |
| hyc | really? | 13:13 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, GSM? | 13:14 |
| Detule | no sorry cdma mode | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | on the newest RIL? | 13:14 |
| Detule | yeah | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | that's why :P | 13:14 |
| arrrghhh | test on the stock RIL, or a slightly older test RIL haha | 13:15 |
| Detule | yeah i saw the git ocmmit this morning thought i would see what's happening | 13:15 |
| arrrghhh | although it's still now flawless | 13:15 |
| arrrghhh | unless something changed overnight since i last tested with you hyc | 13:15 |
| Detule | what was faulty with it last night | 13:16 |
| hyc | I don't think so | 13:16 |
| hyc | not related to call waiting anyway | 13:16 |
| Detule | hyc this noise/crackling sound on your ril during phone call, i have been running your ril for so long that i don't recall if it used to occur with the old ril | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, i don't think it did... | 13:17 |
| hyc | for me it happened on the old ril whenever you used the dial pad | 13:17 |
| hyc | DTMF... | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | at least it wasn't as obvious at least. | 13:17 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, this happens when the phone call starts | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | immediately | 13:18 |
| Detule | i get it prett much non-stop no relation to dpad | 13:18 |
| hyc | weird | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 13:18 |
| Detule | dpad sounds disabled in settings | 13:18 |
| arrrghhh | crap, i think we were discussing a lot of that via pm. | 13:19 |
| hyc | Dunno why. the code for the Dial command never changed | 13:19 |
| arrrghhh | i thought there was some outstanding issues on call waiint | 13:19 |
| arrrghhh | waiting | 13:19 |
| arrrghhh | of course i'm on the butchered version with ril2 | 13:20 |
| hyc | I thought you said the calls weren't hanging up correctly | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | call waiting would probably be the same | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | oh yea that's right. | 13:20 |
| hyc | if you're saying it works perfectly now, dunno | 13:20 |
| rpierce99 | hyc: http://pastebin.com/J3THTzMY | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | it would appear to hang up both calls | 13:20 |
| arrrghhh | and the first caller would appear to be calling me back. first caller was just on the line the whole time | 13:21 |
| hyc | Detule: did you have any problem with hanging up? | 13:21 |
| hyc | rpierce99: CME ERROR: 100? neat... | 13:21 |
| Detule | i can try right now, anything in particular i should look out for | 13:21 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, basically when i hung up the phone on the second answered call, it would seemingly hang up both calls. | 13:22 |
| hyc | figures. CME ERROR 100 is "Unknown" | 13:22 |
| arrrghhh | first caller was still on the line, and then the cell would start ringing again like the first guy was calling me back. | 13:22 |
| Detule | right same here, i just took that to be that's how call waiting is implemented on cdma | 13:23 |
| Detule | as in, that's how you hang up one call and continue with the other | 13:23 |
| Detule | but that wouldn't leave an option to hang up both calls simultaneously | 13:23 |
| hyc | Ah, I don't think there is any such option | 13:24 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:24 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, yea in winmo afaik you hang up the one call, it goes back to the other. | 13:25 |
| Detule | so maybe that's how it's done on native android cdma, i thought i tested it this morning on my girlfriend's optimus S, but i think i was too sleepy and don't remember if the otucome was identical to what happened on my rhod | 13:25 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have any native cdma android devices handy | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps i should get my gf that lg :P | 13:26 |
| Detule | yeah adb before coffee and my phone still works...pretty amazing | 13:26 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 13:27 |
| hyc | ok, anyone willing. voice privacy | 13:29 |
| hyc | http://highlandsun.com/hyc/ril-test.zip | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | woot | 13:29 |
| hyc | I dunno what difference it makes | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, duuuuuuuuuuuude | 13:29 |
| hyc | but get a radiolog during a call | 13:29 |
| emwe | arrrghhh: don't ask. | 13:29 |
| arrrghhh | i assume the voice privacy option will be avail? | 13:29 |
| hyc | should be enabledi n your settings menu | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, lol. i just checked, hasn't changed. | 13:30 |
| emwe | i could really use it now. down to 5%/hour lol. | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | still says "Electronic Shipping Info Received | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | " | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | stupid. | 13:30 |
| emwe | i need a comparison or if am chasing topa bug or general .35 bug | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 13:30 |
| arrrghhh | i'm going to call them, f-it | 13:30 |
| emwe | perhaps they've stuffed it into the freight container and waiting for it to be full | 13:31 |
| emwe | all with donation phone packages | 13:31 |
| Detule | hyc voice privacy is grayed out in cdma | 13:31 |
| emwe | so, we need more xdandroid projects | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, with that test kernel he just posted? | 13:31 |
| Detule | oh i'll shut up now | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 13:31 |
| Detule | later fellas | 13:31 |
| Detule | \nick Detule_away | 13:31 |
| arrrghhh | peace, get some coffee! | 13:31 |
| Detule | damnit | 13:32 |
| arrrghhh | you need it bro :P | 13:32 |
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| hyc | lol | 13:32 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, on the phone with them now... | 13:34 |
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| emwe | arrrghhh: oh, overlocked your comment. thank you. | 13:35 |
| arrrghhh | np | 13:35 |
| rpierce99 | alright, running cdma mode as my daily build now | 13:36 |
| arrrghhh | ok, pussy statement retracted :P | 13:37 |
| hyc | lol | 13:38 |
| arrrghhh | emwe, opening a case... doesn't sound good tho. | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | she said this service is uninsured. and untracked. | 13:41 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln, i thought you insured the package? oh well. | 13:42 |
| Kraln | what? | 13:42 |
| emwe | for 16$ likely not, or? | 13:42 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln, package status still stagnant. i'm on the phone with usps now opening a case. | 13:43 |
| emwe | one more week and the ship from australia record is broken. | 13:43 |
| Kraln | what was the tracking number I emailed you? | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | she said it was uninsured and untracked. | 13:43 |
| arrrghhh | LJ53 9881 327U S | 13:43 |
| Kraln | what in the hell :| | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 13:44 |
| Kraln | I have never had this problem | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | i never send int'l packages :/ | 13:44 |
| Kraln | it doesn't show as ever having been scanned | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | oy... | 13:44 |
| Kraln | I am going to pitch a fit | 13:44 |
| arrrghhh | i'm opening a case now | 13:45 |
| arrrghhh | Kraln, do you know how it was sent? first class? | 13:46 |
| Kraln | Priority Flat Rate Int'l Small box | 13:47 |
| Kraln | Let me find the recepit | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | doesn't offer tracking or tracing. | 13:47 |
| arrrghhh | oy. | 13:47 |
| Kraln | Priority Mail International Small Flat Rate Box # LJ 539 881 327 US | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | lady just said we're SOL in 15 different ways. | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | yup, she said that is untrackable. they won't even open a case because it can't be tracked. | 13:48 |
| arrrghhh | she claimed you could contact the local office for more info, but that's probably BS, just passing me off to a different dept. | 13:49 |
| Kraln | yeah | 13:49 |
| Kraln | I am going to contact the local office. | 13:49 |
| arrrghhh | thanks man. sorry for the mess... stupid USPS. | 13:50 |
| * Kraln makes angry faces | 13:50 | |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:50 |
| emwe | thank you guys | 13:52 |
| arrrghhh | we want you to get that RHOD emwe ! | 13:52 |
| emwe | i hope i can live up to your expectations actually. | 13:52 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:53 |
| arrrghhh | i have none | 13:53 |
| arrrghhh | other than the 3.5mm, which you must fix within 3 days. | 13:53 |
| arrrghhh | :D | 13:53 |
| arrrghhh | i guess i'll give you 3.5 days. seems appropriate. | 13:53 |
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| Kraln | I handed it to the guy personally | 13:55 |
| Kraln | I didn't drop it in a box | 13:55 |
| Kraln | :| | 13:55 |
| arrrghhh | go stab him | 13:55 |
| Kraln | why would i stab Bruce the mailman? :| | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 13:56 |
| arrrghhh | cuz he stole your RHOD! | 13:57 |
| hyc | well anyway, I've added TTY mode too | 14:09 |
| hyc | new rils posted on the thread | 14:09 |
| arrrghhh | w00t | 14:09 |
| hyc | also the fake GSM DTMF regression should now be fixed | 14:09 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 14:09 |
| F22 | i'm drooling over the htc sensation, i think i know what my next phone is going to be... | 14:11 |
| arrrghhh | quit drooling and commit your rootfs changes | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:12 |
| arrrghhh | oh and ryannathans was whining about source because of hyc's changes. hyc made his changes portable tho, so he can stop whining. | 14:12 |
| F22 | ahhh...i was wondering why wanted source.. | 14:13 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:14 |
| arrrghhh | that was his reason | 14:14 |
| F22 | what's the recommended kernel right now? stock? one of wistilt2's? | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | i <3 wistilt2's kernel. | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | where you been man, sheesh | 14:15 |
| hyc | I'm on his 4/2 kernel | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | i'm on 4/4 | 14:15 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 14:15 |
| hyc | hm, that should be the same one muziling was complaining about | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | 4/2? or 4/4 | 14:16 |
| hyc | 4/4 | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | not a lot of changes between those two kernels. | 14:16 |
| hyc | woudn't think so | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | 4/4 just removed the code for auto rotate | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | and.... something else, 1 sec | 14:16 |
| hyc | no idea why he got crashes when pppd exited | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | oh right, that IRQ | 14:16 |
| arrrghhh | oh noes that was 4/2 | 14:17 |
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| arrrghhh | button lights, that was is. | 14:17 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, more button light fixes in 4/4 | 14:17 |
| F22 | the combination i have right now is highly unstable. it's a special wistilt2 test kernel from this past weekend + the jonpry's scbs rootfs + frx06. it's so bad i've been avoiding android. | 14:18 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:19 |
| arrrghhh | you depress me F22 | 14:19 |
| F22 | couldn't even grab a klog cuz jonpry's rootfs doesn't record it. | 14:20 |
| hyc | Just checked again, Dial and Answer functions haven't changed at all between my ril and original | 14:20 |
| hyc | dunno why noise on call is different | 14:20 |
| hyc | what about fake GSM, that should also be unchanged since original ril | 14:20 |
| arrrghhh | F22, it's wistilt2's kernel actually. | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, afaik the noise is gone in fake gsm. | 14:21 |
| hyc | hmmm | 14:21 |
| F22 | it's the kernel? is that the case with all of wis's kernels? | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | recently. | 14:21 |
| arrrghhh | he moved the fb location, and messed up the location of ramconsole | 14:22 |
| arrrghhh | AFAIK that's the reason logs are empty now... | 14:22 |
| hyc | The only other difference is that in CDMA mode I skip all the commands to poll the SIM card status at init time | 14:23 |
| hyc | hm, and even that would be a no-op otherwise | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | well that makes sense. | 14:24 |
| hyc | so there's not even a difference in init sequence | 14:24 |
| hyc | must be something different about Phone.apk in CDMA mode | 14:24 |
| F22 | hmm...well i guess i'll try wis 4/4 then with my rootfs. if it's still flaky i'll move back to stock and see if that fixes it. if it's still flaky with stock, at least i'll be able to grab klogs. | 14:24 |
| arrrghhh | F22, that's what i've been running for ages. since... 4/4 :P | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | your rootfs + wistilt2's kernel + hyc's RIL madness. | 14:25 |
| F22 | ages=8 days...lol | 14:25 |
| arrrghhh | AGES | 14:26 |
| arrrghhh | bitches | 14:26 |
| arrrghhh | it's been pretty stable is my point. | 14:26 |
| F22 | lol, ok | 14:27 |
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| F22 | hyc, i love your ril instructions. --> Problem reports without accompanying logs are useless and a waste of time. ... If you don't know how to obtain these, then please STOP NOW and don't proceed any further with this. | 14:34 |
| hyc | One can always hope people actually read ;) | 14:35 |
| arrrghhh | yea, hope is about all you can do... | 14:35 |
| F22 | hope springs eternal...yes. v | 14:36 |
| F22 | very large, bold-faced fonts don't hurt either. | 14:36 |
| F22 | :P | 14:36 |
| hyc | heh heh | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | in mine i have PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST in big bold red lettering. | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | still doesn't seem to work, but hey. | 14:36 |
| arrrghhh | i also have like 3 links to the FAQ, and people still say they can't find it. | 14:36 |
| F22 | lol | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | can't fix stupid | 14:37 |
| F22 | if they can't find it, then they fail the test and don't get to download. :P | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | yea they somehow find the download link... | 14:37 |
| arrrghhh | perhaps i should name it something obsecure | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | here is your acquisition point | 14:38 |
| F22 | probably should hide the download link inside the faq. ;) | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 14:38 |
| hyc | oooooo | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | i actually like that idea... | 14:38 |
| hyc | Well, "where is the download link" would be an FAQ then ;) | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 14:38 |
| F22 | lol | 14:38 |
| arrrghhh | yea, i'll put it at the end :P | 14:39 |
| F22 | rofl | 14:39 |
| toadlife | You should have the download link at a seperate page and quiz downloaders on the contents of the FAQ before being shown the download link. | 14:44 |
| arrrghhh | F22, I knew you'd be in for pain with that spanish dude. | 14:50 |
| toadlife | Appreciate your work on the ril hyc. Phone is extremely stable now. | 14:51 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: ow | 14:52 |
| hyc | good to hear | 14:54 |
| hyc | Yeah, I've now swapped SIMs, my G1 now has my backup SIM and my TP2 is now primary | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | F22, i was surprised when you gave him directions on how to do it himself :P | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, w00t | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | that's a fairly close device spec-wise, how does our build stack up? | 14:55 |
| arrrghhh | i guess it's lower spec-wise, so maybe not a fair comparison... but it's not that much lower. | 14:56 |
| hyc | the TP2 has more ram and higher rez screen, what's not to like :P | 14:56 |
| hyc | also most of the G1 froyo builds are 2.2.1 | 14:57 |
| hyc | dunno why nobody has updated to 2.2.2 | 14:57 |
| hyc | overall the TP2 runs faster, but that's all due to the RAM | 14:57 |
| XirXes | cause nobody wants to text someone with a g1 and thats what 2.2.2 fixed | 14:57 |
| hyc | CPU is the same | 14:57 |
| hyc | heh | 14:58 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, nice. | 14:58 |
| arrrghhh | seems we're well on our way to a native android device. just need the prox sensor working and we can remap the buttons | 14:58 |
| hyc | I thought prox sensor is already working. no? | 14:59 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: i don't want people to get the idea that i have the time to create every single keymap that isn't already on the list. So I'd prefer for others to create .kcm's for other languages. | 14:59 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, well, if it is working it's certainly not implemented. i heard wistilt2 was messing with it for a little bit, but he put it on the back burner. | 15:00 |
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| arrrghhh | F22, you don't? | 15:00 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 15:00 |
| hyc | ok | 15:00 |
| F22 | really, it's just a matter of looking up the hex codes for those alt/fn keys that don't match. | 15:00 |
| arrrghhh | i know | 15:00 |
| arrrghhh | but the noobz | 15:00 |
| arrrghhh | they require binaries, source is scary. | 15:00 |
| hyc | also ... I bindmount those OMX libs from tiad8's build | 15:00 |
| * hyc runs .... | 15:00 | |
| F22 | i figure if i walk one noob through it, in the future when i get asked i can point to the previous instructions and say "do what he did". | 15:01 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, lol | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | do they work better? | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | i think those are the ones jb pushed | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | and stine didn't get them implemented correctly. jb said smth about it in his cam testing thread. | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | F22, haha nice. | 15:02 |
| hyc | yes actually, I got one HQ youtube video playing | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | good luck with that, let me know how it goes. | 15:03 |
| hyc | it doesn't work on all tho | 15:03 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, cool. yea, i read that too. some work, not all. | 15:03 |
| arrrghhh | probably an encoder issue on the ones that don't work. | 15:03 |
| hyc | will have to read JB's thread, see what was up | 15:03 |
| hyc | where is it? | 15:03 |
| XirXes | is the updated ril in the rootfs or system.ext2? | 15:04 |
| hyc | Xirxes: it's not in any build yet | 15:04 |
| XirXes | ah ok | 15:04 |
| hyc | bindmount it in place if you don't want to modify your fs imgs | 15:04 |
| arrrghhh | ^^ | 15:05 |
| hyc | I just remount my FS rw and dump it in there | 15:05 |
| hyc | bindmounts annoy me... | 15:05 |
| arrrghhh | you're hardcore | 15:05 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:05 |
| XirXes | ill probably just wait. i only use my tp2 as an additional remote for my comp these days | 15:05 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, it's in the tp section | 15:06 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=883966 | 15:06 |
| arrrghhh | might want to start at the end tho, there's a couple of posts in that thread. | 15:06 |
| arrrghhh | his comments i spoke of are near the end :P | 15:07 |
| hyc | thx | 15:07 |
| XirXes | xbmc remote, connectbot, mpd controller. thats pretty much all it does these days. | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | mpd controller | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | me want | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | what do you use? | 15:07 |
| XirXes | mpdroid on the market | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | fuck. | 15:07 |
| arrrghhh | i mean oh shoo.t | 15:08 |
| XirXes | you can also play the stream with it | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | i couldn't get it to work! | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | i tried bitmpc | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | mpdroid | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | uhm... there was one or two others i think. | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | mpdroid seemed the most promising, but no. | 15:08 |
| arrrghhh | wait, are you doing it over wifi on your LAN? | 15:09 |
| XirXes | when im on the tp2. on the g2 i do both | 15:09 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:09 |
| arrrghhh | i've only tried via 3g, and it's never worked. | 15:09 |
| arrrghhh | i have a giant list of songs on shuffle tho, your environment is probably different. | 15:09 |
| XirXes | the secret to mine is a dynamic dns | 15:10 |
| XirXes | i point it at xiyl.servebeer.com and it works | 15:10 |
| arrrghhh | i use ddns | 15:10 |
| arrrghhh | damnit | 15:11 |
| XirXes | have you made any changes to your mpd.conf? | 15:11 |
| rpierce99 | <joke expense="arrrghhh" reason="networking guy">Dude you have to forward your ports!</joke> | 15:12 |
| XirXes | lol | 15:12 |
| XirXes | ive never seen a joke formated as such | 15:12 |
| arrrghhh | it's forwarded rpierce99 | 15:12 |
| arrrghhh | you know i am a networking guy, you bastage :P | 15:13 |
| rpierce99 | jeeze, little slow on the XML joke tag, eh arrrghhh | 15:13 |
| XirXes | hes not parsing correctly | 15:13 |
| arrrghhh | evidently. | 15:13 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, controlling it from other machines is no problem. i use MPM on different lappys, no issue. | 15:14 |
| hyc | hmmm. so viruscrazy told stinebd about a missing patch | 15:14 |
| arrrghhh | even from another internet cnx | 15:14 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i presume so... | 15:14 |
| hyc | and the rest of us just wait to see it. how nice. | 15:14 |
| hyc | that's what public merge requests are for, sheesh | 15:14 |
| arrrghhh | yea, jb kinda works in private. | 15:14 |
| arrrghhh | for whatever reason. | 15:14 |
| arrrghhh | i think he maintains a public tree tho | 15:14 |
| XirXes | i have like a 45 gb library and i can even view all songs no issue | 15:15 |
| hyc | I see his kernel tree on gitorious | 15:16 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, i hate you. | 15:16 |
| arrrghhh | although my library is much larger... | 15:16 |
| XirXes | how big? | 15:16 |
| arrrghhh | song-wise it's around 40,000 | 15:17 |
| arrrghhh | size-wise, i have no clue. | 15:17 |
| arrrghhh | maybe 100gb? | 15:17 |
| XirXes | yeah im pretty sure i have less than 10,000 songs. does it just not connect at all? | 15:18 |
| toadlife | A library-waving contest. | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | it hangs | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | it connects, and fails | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, lol. e-penis. | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | what's your postcount, biatch :P | 15:18 |
| arrrghhh | F22, lmao just read that dud'es edit | 15:19 |
| arrrghhh | i think you missed it, he wants to open the file in excel | 15:19 |
| rpierce99 | arrrghhh: your e-penis hangs, connects, and fails? | 15:19 |
| arrrghhh | rpierce99, generally flaccid, yes. | 15:20 |
| XirXes | yeah i just pulled up mpdroid on my tp2 and it works fine | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | i'll play with it some more | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | i never got it to work | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | i have my entire library in a playlist tho | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | and it's constantly playing basically. | 15:21 |
| arrrghhh | i think that's what is choking it. most desktop clients can't handle it, MPM is the only one i've found that can. | 15:22 |
| XirXes | that has to be it. | 15:22 |
| arrrghhh | hrm | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | back to neo-mpc then | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | that always worked. | 15:23 |
| XirXes | i dont leave a huge playlist qued cause i actually hate the majority of my music | 15:23 |
| arrrghhh | LMAO | 15:24 |
| arrrghhh | i <3 the shuffle. | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | it's like the ultimate radio station IMHO | 15:25 |
| arrrghhh | but, i have very eclectic taste in music. | 15:25 |
| XirXes | i just need to go through and delete the bad stuff. i wouldnt mind doing the same if there wasnt a bunch of garbage for me to skip | 15:26 |
| F22 | arrrghhh: excel? | 15:27 |
| * F22 facepalms | 15:27 | |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, yea that sucks. for the most part, i don't skip. | 15:27 |
| F22 | ... | 15:27 |
| XirXes | F22, ? | 15:27 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, stupid ppl don't sweat it. | 15:28 |
| F22 | not you, him. :P | 15:28 |
| XirXes | lol | 15:28 |
| F22 | still doesn't change my reply thankfully | 15:29 |
| arrrghhh | no, it doesn't. | 15:29 |
| arrrghhh | just thought you'd enjoy that. | 15:29 |
| hyc | Doesn't everyone use Excel for jotting down quick little notes? | 15:29 |
| hyc | it's so fast..... | 15:30 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, and for editing .kl files. | 15:30 |
| arrrghhh | or whatever they are. | 15:30 |
| XirXes | i use kwrite, or pico | 15:31 |
| arrrghhh | depends. if i'm @ work, notepad++ | 15:32 |
| XirXes | notepad2 is better | 15:32 |
| XirXes | but i havent had to deal with windows in about 2 months now | 15:33 |
| arrrghhh | notepad2? | 15:33 |
| arrrghhh | i can't imagine anything better than notepad++ | 15:33 |
| arrrghhh | that thing is the shit. | 15:33 |
| XirXes | ive actually never used it. | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | so you know it's better | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | without ever using it. | 15:34 |
| XirXes | hell yeah | 15:34 |
| arrrghhh | that's confidence only steve jobs can exude | 15:34 |
| * arrrghhh unmasks XirXes | 15:34 | |
| XirXes | lol | 15:34 |
| XirXes | and ive never used notepad++. i used to use notepad2 all the time | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | i <3 notepad++ | 15:35 |
| arrrghhh | it's... pretty powerful. | 15:35 |
| XirXes | arrrghhh says tumescently | 15:36 |
| arrrghhh | lol had to google that one :P | 15:36 |
| XirXes | lol | 15:36 |
| arrrghhh | this is disturbing | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | http://img.tfd.com/wn/25/17E970-tumescent.gif | 15:37 |
| toadlife | notepad++ is the shiznit. I write massive batch files that replace entire clerical workers with it. | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 15:37 |
| F22 | nothing beats emacs in terms of power. of course you need to take a college class just to understand it, but that's besides the point... :P | 15:37 |
| arrrghhh | F22, yea i used that back in the day. i'm not much of a programmer anymore :/ | 15:37 |
| rpierce99 | why would I ever want a mail and news reader in my text editor, lol | 15:39 |
| F22 | then you never need to leave it...lol. | 15:39 |
| rpierce99 | but any software that has made it to version 23 has to be good | 15:39 |
| XirXes | thats why i like notepad2. all its trying to be is notepad but better | 15:39 |
| F22 | lol | 15:40 |
| XirXes | in all the right ways | 15:40 |
| * XirXes says tumescently | 15:40 | |
| F22 | emacs is built on top of lisp. if you understand lisp, you can do pretty much anything with emacs. | 15:40 |
| F22 | you want to use it to read email, sure knock yourself out... :P | 15:40 |
| rpierce99 | someone needs to make a C# or java interpreter for lisp, plug that into emacs, then i'll make plugins for emacs | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | XirXes, stfu you've never used notepad++ :P | 15:41 |
| XirXes | for that attitude i never will | 15:41 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 15:42 |
| arrrghhh | i don't really care, i already know it's better than notepad2 | 15:42 |
| arrrghhh | it has two pluses, it has to be better. | 15:42 |
| XirXes | lol | 15:42 |
| hyc | C >> C++ | 15:42 |
| * arrrghhh strolls away whistling | 15:42 | |
| F22 | lol | 15:42 |
| rpierce99 | why are you bit shifting | 15:43 |
| arrrghhh | 20gb of compressed text. i do not want to know how much that is uncompressed, yeesh. | 15:43 |
| hyc | "C is much greater than C++" | 15:43 |
| rpierce99 | that's not a real mathematical operator though, right? | 15:44 |
| F22 | i'll second that. | 15:44 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:44 |
| hyc | ">>" is math shorthand for much reater, yes | 15:44 |
| rpierce99 | i could maybe go with C > C++^2 | 15:44 |
| hyc | greater | 15:44 |
| rpierce99 | how does "math shorthand" define "much" | 15:44 |
| hyc | it's not an operator... | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | children | 15:45 |
| Detule_away | >> | 15:45 |
| hyc | but typically used for orders of magnitude difference | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | i will turn this car around | 15:45 |
| arrrghhh | no body will enjoy linusland | 15:45 |
| hyc | :P | 15:45 |
| rpierce99 | hm, i'll concede just because I'm not a math expert by any stretch, but I doubt that >> is used in any serious mathematical context | 15:46 |
| hyc | No you're right. it's used in physics more often. | 15:46 |
| rpierce99 | physics != serious math? | 15:46 |
| rpierce99 | haha | 15:46 |
| Detule_away | coincidently before i had my coffee this morning i was trying to figure out if latex has a special symbol for ">>"... | 15:46 |
| hyc | it's not pure math | 15:46 |
| hyc | applied math ... | 15:47 |
| Detule_away | :) rpierce99 i just used >> oh a few hours ago | 15:47 |
| F22 | mathematicians are rarely serious. there's all sorts of hand-waving and shortcut statements in math that you never see in comp sci. the vibe that i get is that if you're not smart enough to figure it out then you don't belong in the room. | 15:47 |
| hyc | that's true in most rooms :P | 15:48 |
| F22 | lol | 15:48 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 15:48 |
| * arrrghhh leaves | 15:48 | |
| F22 | comp sci comes across as more consistent... | 15:48 |
| Detule_away | ha | 15:49 |
| rpierce99 | i'll stick to comp sci then i guess, i have no desire to use any kind of fuzzy math | 15:49 |
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| rpierce99 | too many questions are raised by the word "much" for me | 15:49 |
| hyc | too bad, all the latest stuff in smart systems is about fuzzy logic ;) | 15:49 |
| helicopter88 | Hi all | 15:49 |
| toadlife | fuzzy math is what you learn in poli sci | 15:49 |
| hyc | the days of absolute 1s and 0s are over... | 15:49 |
| rpierce99 | hyperbole of the week | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:50 |
| F22 | my hypothesis is that computers aren't very good at interpreting what you mean so programmers tend to be a bit more rigorous in their writing out of habit. | 15:50 |
| hyc | :D | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | helicopter88, what's up. we're discussing the finer points of maths. | 15:50 |
| rpierce99 | for some reason | 15:50 |
| arrrghhh | no chairs have been thrown yet, i think. | 15:50 |
| helicopter88 | oh,i hate maths lol | 15:50 |
| hyc | time to leave the room :D | 15:50 |
| F22 | lol | 15:51 |
| helicopter88 | lol | 15:51 |
| arrrghhh | grab a chair | 15:51 |
| arrrghhh | ready... aim... | 15:51 |
| Detule_away | F22 math seems pretty rigorous from where I am sitting...but I do have a skewed perspective of math | 15:52 |
| rpierce99 | i'd like to see a compilter interpret if (8 >> 2) except in the bit shift sense of course | 15:52 |
| Detule_away | :)i would like a compiler/software to prove Fermat's last theorem | 15:53 |
| F22 | it's not that math isn't rigorous. it's more a matter of the way it's communicated. | 15:53 |
| F22 | commonly communicated i should say. | 15:53 |
| Detule_away | the only problem with the way it's communicated is that research mathematics is disseminated in a way so as to be read by trained eyes | 15:54 |
| rpierce99 | F22 so I hear you saying mathematicians are a bunch of elitist assholes | 15:54 |
| F22 | lol | 15:54 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 15:54 |
| hyc | lol | 15:55 |
| Detule_away | not sure there is a way around that, since the volume of mathematical background and notation is so vast, that if we were to include all relevant information our expositions would be absurd | 15:55 |
| Detule_away | i am sure this has something to do with xdandroid.... | 15:56 |
| F22 | lol | 15:56 |
| Detule_away | just can't figure out what...need a roadmap of implications | 15:56 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 15:57 |
| arrrghhh | a jump to conclusions mat perhaps? | 15:57 |
| rpierce99 | hm i'm channeling a forum user here | 15:57 |
| rpierce99 | once xdandroid can solve if (8>>2) i will use it every day! | 15:57 |
| hyc | lol | 15:58 |
| toadlife | I'm having trouble changing my wallpaper since the last kernel update. Is this going to be fixed soon? | 15:59 |
| rpierce99 | i'm hoping you are also channeling a forums user toadlife | 15:59 |
| toadlife | yes | 15:59 |
| hyc | static coming from external speaker? | 16:00 |
| toadlife | You know what they say. Sufficiently advanced satire is indistuguishable from reality. | 16:00 |
| rpierce99 | pretty high praise you lavish on yourself there | 16:01 |
| hyc | I couldn't tell | 16:01 |
| helicopter88 | since i'm a math genius,i got as result of an exercise 1=0 wtf | 16:06 |
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| Detule | Europeans can't do math | 16:06 |
| rpierce99 | i'm sure all this fuzzy logic crap could prove that | 16:06 |
| helicopter88 | I suck at math | 16:07 |
| Detule | ergo | 16:07 |
| Detule | i mean qed | 16:07 |
| helicopter88 | don't talk latin | 16:07 |
| Detule | :) | 16:07 |
| helicopter88 | i can say in latin,canis tam velocior quam vulpes est | 16:07 |
| helicopter88 | and a ton of other stupids latin things.. | 16:07 |
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| Detule | no worry can't really polish those conversational skills anyway | 16:09 |
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| fishhead2567 | excuse me guys, quick query... i have the lastest build of XDA and i cant launch android-wifi-tether... did i miss something? it claims my phone isnt rooted | 16:11 |
| arrrghhh | hey | 16:11 |
| arrrghhh | it's that guy | 16:11 |
| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, yup =) | 16:11 |
| arrrghhh | which wifi tethering app is that dude? | 16:11 |
| fishhead2567 | the google code one | 16:12 |
| fishhead2567 | android-wifi-tether | 16:12 |
| fishhead2567 | built in fires up but xoom cant see it | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | xoom must see adhoc | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | i don't have a xoom | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | afaik adhoc is an android issue in general. | 16:12 |
| fishhead2567 | it doesnt =( | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | wait... built-in one doesn't use adhoc | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | wtf am i saying. | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | all the apps use adhoc | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | the built-in tether option throws up an actual AP | 16:12 |
| arrrghhh | according to my laptop at least. | 16:13 |
| helicopter88 | arrrghhh you are getting crazy..lol | 16:13 |
| arrrghhh | ? | 16:13 |
| arrrghhh | getting? | 16:13 |
| helicopter88 | becoming? | 16:13 |
| arrrghhh | my point is i'm already crazy. | 16:13 |
| helicopter88 | "arrrghhh: wtf am i saying." | 16:13 |
| helicopter88 | oh lol | 16:13 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 16:13 |
| toadlife | Built-in tether works great, until you tryn to turn it off! | 16:13 |
| fishhead2567 | i dont think so tho. becuase the xoom cant see the native app | 16:14 |
| helicopter88 | tether through usb should work.. | 16:14 |
| helicopter88 | at least from what i know lol | 16:14 |
| arrrghhh | helicopter88, to the xoom? good luck. | 16:14 |
| arrrghhh | fishhead2567, built-in tether works. but like toadlife says, disabling it is another story. | 16:14 |
| hyc | nope, tether thru usb doesn't work | 16:14 |
| fishhead2567 | yah i dont see hth i can do it with xoom | 16:14 |
| toadlife | I tried to tether through usb and it said I wasn't connected to usb. :/ | 16:14 |
| fishhead2567 | helicopter88, how can i make the xoom see usb? | 16:15 |
| fishhead2567 | me too | 16:15 |
| helicopter88 | maybe you can destroy usb-in of the xoom | 16:15 |
| fishhead2567 | helicopter88, sounds great | 16:15 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, built in usb tether is borked. hyc had some magical fix, but i just use easytether. | 16:15 |
| helicopter88 | putting your phone cable till you see a huge hole that can fit it | 16:15 |
| hyc | I have a patched adb that starts a ppp session over adb | 16:15 |
| hyc | now that I have a better understanding of /dev/smdX I suppose I might have done things differently | 16:17 |
| toadlife | hyc and his kung-fu shit, re-mounting his filesystems..hacking abd... | 16:17 |
| helicopter88 | what do you think about this theme? | 16:17 |
| helicopter88 | http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/windows7/#/d3dt1at | 16:17 |
| helicopter88 | sorry for the ot lol | 16:17 |
| helicopter88 | toadlife,mounting file systems isn't that hard | 16:18 |
| fishhead2567 | lemme see if it works arrrghhh | 16:18 |
| toadlife | I know. Joking :) | 16:18 |
| helicopter88 | maybe hacking adb is.. | 16:18 |
| helicopter88 | i've never tried | 16:18 |
| helicopter88 | today logcat made me raging.. | 16:19 |
| helicopter88 | always saying bad things aganist phone.apk and settings.apk | 16:20 |
| TheDeadCPU | logcat is for noobs | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | use lolcat | 16:21 |
| helicopter88 | i have a loldog | 16:21 |
| helicopter88 | my lolcat died a year ago :( | 16:21 |
| TheDeadCPU | no seriously, write lolcat instead of logcat | 16:21 |
| helicopter88 | i should try tomorrow lol | 16:21 |
| arrrghhh | TheDeadCPU, it's the same output you troll | 16:22 |
| TheDeadCPU | I know :D | 16:23 |
| helicopter88 | i hope that tomorrow i can come here with windows 8 | 16:23 |
| TheDeadCPU | But it's about 20% cooler | 16:23 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:23 |
| arrrghhh | helicopter88, is trolling now | 16:23 |
| helicopter88 | i'm trolling? | 16:23 |
| TheDeadCPU | Don't you just hate it when ninjas suddenly appear and try to steal your cookies? | 16:24 |
| helicopter88 | *am i the troll? | 16:24 |
| helicopter88 | yes i hate them.. | 16:24 |
| helicopter88 | fucking ninjas,they could steal my vegetables | 16:24 |
| helicopter88 | Thedeadcpu,could you ban ninjas from xda? | 16:25 |
| TheDeadCPU | helicopter88, no. All the ninjas are mods | 16:26 |
| TheDeadCPU | ohshit | 16:26 |
| helicopter88 | So the mods are the cookie stealers? | 16:26 |
| TheDeadCPU | Yes | 16:26 |
| helicopter88 | Wtf | 16:27 |
| TheDeadCPU | And I managed to fend them off because I'm also a mod | 16:27 |
| helicopter88 | but you aren't a ninja,don't you? | 16:27 |
| TheDeadCPU | I am a ninja | 16:27 |
| helicopter88 | ohshit | 16:28 |
| arrrghhh | ok kids. | 16:28 |
| helicopter88 | i should change forum,too much ninjas | 16:28 |
| arrrghhh | take it outside | 16:28 |
| TheDeadCPU | \o/ | 16:28 |
| rpierce99 | and i thought the mats was the most off-topic this channel would get today | 16:28 |
| rpierce99 | s/mats/maths/ | 16:28 |
| TheDeadCPU | arrrghhh, you go guard your irl lawn instead | 16:28 |
| arrrghhh | little did you know | 16:28 |
| arrrghhh | TheDeadCPU, lol | 16:28 |
| arrrghhh | gimmie a shotgun and a rocking chair | 16:28 |
| TheDeadCPU | rpierce99, you thought that. Then suddenly. A TheDeadCPU. | 16:28 |
| helicopter88 | i think i'll save this chat.. | 16:29 |
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| helicopter88 | all of ours off topic chats,have made glemsom leave.. | 16:30 |
| helicopter88 | TheDeadCpu,is there a way that can show me with something pop-up like that i have a pm? | 16:31 |
| TheDeadCPU | helicopter88, on irc? | 16:32 |
| helicopter88 | on xda | 16:32 |
| TheDeadCPU | ah yes | 16:32 |
| helicopter88 | user cp? | 16:32 |
| TheDeadCPU | User CP > Edit Options > Show New Private Message Notification Pop-up | 16:33 |
| helicopter88 | found it | 16:33 |
| helicopter88 | thanks | 16:33 |
| helicopter88 | goodnight all | 16:35 |
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| fishhead2567 | SWEET MOSES CRAP IT WORKED | 16:37 |
| arrrghhh | ... | 16:38 |
| fishhead2567 | after all that work we did arrrghhh and stinebd with fixing my wifi last week. the built in ap finally worked | 16:38 |
| TheDeadCPU | What does splitting the read see have to do with wifi working? | 16:38 |
| TheDeadCPU | red* | 16:38 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:38 |
| fishhead2567 | i can tether the xoom now. you guys are amazing. i really really really appreciate it | 16:38 |
| TheDeadCPU | Now go donate | 16:38 |
| arrrghhh | fishhead2567, just be prepared for problems when you disable wifi | 16:38 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:38 |
| TheDeadCPU | Preferably donate a xoom | 16:38 |
| fishhead2567 | i cant do that | 16:39 |
| TheDeadCPU | Donate a car? | 16:39 |
| TheDeadCPU | Donate a HTC Sensation? | 16:39 |
| TheDeadCPU | Donate a Boeing 747? | 16:39 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 16:39 |
| xdandroid | Donation received! Thanks, fishhead2567, who says: Thanks guys | 16:40 |
| arrrghhh | nice | 16:40 |
| arrrghhh | instant results | 16:40 |
| fishhead2567 | =) | 16:40 |
| fishhead2567 | worth it | 16:40 |
| arrrghhh | thx | 16:41 |
| TheDeadCPU | :D | 16:41 |
| arrrghhh | danmit | 16:41 |
| arrrghhh | irc is distracting | 16:41 |
| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, at work? | 16:41 |
| arrrghhh | yes | 16:41 |
| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, me too... and yes it is =P | 16:41 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 16:42 |
| arrrghhh | tethering your xoom must be work-related :P | 16:42 |
| fishhead2567 | .ph yoders | 16:43 |
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| fishhead2567 | ^%&$ bot =( | 16:44 |
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| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, no when i have down time im allowed to dick off =) | 17:25 |
| fishhead2567 | tethering my xoom has EVERYTHING to do with dicking off | 17:26 |
| arrrghhh | lol indeed | 17:26 |
| fishhead2567 | what doesnt however | 17:39 |
| fishhead2567 | is SOAP | 17:39 |
| fishhead2567 | which can eat me | 17:39 |
| fishhead2567 | cuz i hate it | 17:39 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | i'm learning about SOAP | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | and AXL | 17:40 |
| arrrghhh | should be fun | 17:40 |
| fishhead2567 | yah | 17:41 |
| fishhead2567 | what do you do arrrghhh | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | IT for a bank | 17:41 |
| arrrghhh | you? | 17:41 |
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| fishhead2567 | IT for businesses | 17:47 |
| fishhead2567 | sort of like outsourcing your IT department | 17:47 |
| arrrghhh | oh | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | fu | 17:48 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 17:48 |
| toadlife | It for a school. It's been slow this week. | 17:50 |
| fishhead2567 | haha why? | 17:50 |
| fishhead2567 | its when really small companies need help | 17:50 |
| fishhead2567 | so noramlly ou couldnt have good it | 17:51 |
| fishhead2567 | but now u can =) | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | i'm jk | 17:51 |
| toadlife | When it's slow around here, it usually means there is a pending tsunami. | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | we won't ever outsource our IT. we'd outsource the call center and our development department before we scrap network services. | 17:51 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:51 |
| toadlife | I visited a community college once that outsourtced their entire desktop support. Their desktops were in absolute shambles.' | 17:52 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 17:52 |
| fishhead2567 | i can imagine | 17:52 |
| fishhead2567 | we're good at what we do =) but we are largely an oh shit button | 17:53 |
| fishhead2567 | "oh shit it broke" so we fix it | 17:53 |
| fishhead2567 | and do networks and servers and hosting etc =) | 17:53 |
| fishhead2567 | ... | 17:53 |
| fishhead2567 | and WE DO SOAP | 17:53 |
| fishhead2567 | f*** SOAP | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | yea not this kinda SOAP | 17:53 |
| arrrghhh | you don't even want to know what i'm going to be using SOAP for | 17:53 |
| toadlife | I would imagine you'll be using it it to simplify access to objects | 17:54 |
| fishhead2567 | haha | 17:54 |
| rpierce99 | my company outsourced all of our it department a while back so that we could be more nimble supposedly, able to adjust up or down with the needs of the business, as far as I can tell all it has done is made it so adding 1TB of storage to a server costs $50000 | 17:54 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 17:55 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, not really. ever heard of callmanager? | 17:55 |
| fishhead2567 | rpierce99, damn. lots of storage, and also, DAMN. Is it a hosted service? | 17:55 |
| fishhead2567 | toadlife, that is onlly if the SOAP has WSDL | 17:55 |
| fishhead2567 | mine doesnt =( | 17:55 |
| toadlife | Cisco? We've been running that for ten years. | 17:55 |
| arrrghhh | toadlife, yes. but extension mobility interface, horrible. | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | so my boss wants me to design a desktop app that will help users login to their phones | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | but... my method is brute-force, and requires the end user to know the IP of the phone | 17:56 |
| toadlife | Heh. We don't use that feature. | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | so now i must use SOAP and AXL to figure out what phone the end-user wants to login to. | 17:56 |
| arrrghhh | fun fun | 17:56 |
| rpierce99 | fishhead2567: they only use SANs, and it wasn't a real example, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't hyperbole either | 17:57 |
| toadlife | We added 4TB to our SAN recently for a few grand. | 17:57 |
| toadlife | SCSI drives aren't cheap! | 17:58 |
| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, what provider for the phones? | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | fishhead2567, ? cisco? | 17:58 |
| fishhead2567 | arrrghhh, sorry i didnt realize that they're the phone com,pany | 17:58 |
| fishhead2567 | thought maybe it was an app they run | 17:58 |
| fishhead2567 | for VOIP | 17:58 |
| arrrghhh | oh. no, i'm the network admin for CUCM | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | Unity | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | call center | 17:59 |
| arrrghhh | etc | 17:59 |
| fishhead2567 | oh ok | 17:59 |
| fishhead2567 | we use a different VOIP, i was asked to write a call center for their interface, but luckily it is web based so i send requests to their server and it sends them to the right phone | 17:59 |
| toadlife | Cisco sells you the phones for their system. They cost like $800. Total ripoff. | 18:00 |
| fishhead2567 | ouch | 18:01 |
| fishhead2567 | time to go | 18:01 |
| fishhead2567 | 5pm central time =) | 18:01 |
| fishhead2567 | later all | 18:01 |
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| toadlife | We first rolled out Cisco ten years ago when Cisco was brand new to the biz. The installer who we hired to help with the rollout had never done it before. Hilarity ensued. | 18:02 |
| toadlife | We got a good deal for being an early adoper (beta testers). | 18:02 |
| arrrghhh | cisco is $$$ | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | omg | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | yea, we're anything but. | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | we wait until stuff is rock solid | 18:03 |
| arrrghhh | and make the vendor prove their product with real-world examples where we go visit the site lol | 18:04 |
| arrrghhh | vendors hate trying to sell us stuff, but love it when we actually buy :P | 18:04 |
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| toadlife | Microsoft just blew their load this month. My desktop needed 23 updates. | 18:13 |
| arrrghhh | giggity? | 18:13 |
| toadlife | well the test ril blew up on me today. Thought I was past those problems. :\ | 18:16 |
| arrrghhh | blew up how? | 18:16 |
| toadlife | The wife gets pissed at me when she calls I don't answer. I tell her it's the Android on my phone, but she's rarely sympathetic. | 18:16 |
| toadlife | data/phone stopped working. | 18:16 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | yea, gf isn't so sympathetic either. | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | not happy i'm working on this project in general really :P just doesn't get it... | 18:17 |
| toadlife | I posted logs to the ril test thread. It used to happen to me all the time, but the test rils have made the problem go away....almost. | 18:17 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:17 |
| toadlife | She has the HD2, running Android. Oh how I would love to have a Touch pro 2 with one of those snapdragon CPUs | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | lol no joke. | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | what a brat :P | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | tell her winmo only | 18:20 |
| arrrghhh | see how she likes it. | 18:20 |
| toadlife | With the latest wistilt2 kernel and test ril I get better battery life in Android than she does on her HD2. She has to charge her phone by 2PM. I usually good until 8 or 9 PM. ;P | 18:22 |
| toadlife | She is hooked on Android. No going back to winMo for her. | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | i know | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | but tell her that's part of the process | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | and if she doesn't like it, force her to use winmo :P | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | say those are your options dear | 18:22 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 18:22 |
| toadlife | heh. You don't know my wife. She is the boss. If I ever have an questions about who's boss, I jsut ask her and she puts me in my place. ;P | 18:23 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 18:24 |
| arrrghhh | quite different from my relationship. | 18:24 |
| toadlife | I'm glad shes on Android though. Supporting her with WinMo was like a second IT job. | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | oh god | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | she's the boss and you have to support her? | 18:25 |
| arrrghhh | :P | 18:25 |
| toadlife | Hey, I convinced her to get the HD2. It's my fault. She had the Motorola Cliq before that, but it was an unstable POS so she returned it to T-Mo. | 18:26 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 18:27 |
| XirXes | the cliq was a pos | 18:27 |
| arrrghhh | ^^ | 18:27 |
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| toadlife | I rememebr the Cliq having no hardware button dedicated to answering calls. When a call came in, the "slide to answer" would stick half the time. The button used to unlock the phone was also the end/ignore call button, so if the slide to answer was stuck you could not answer the phone. | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | lmao | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | that's a feature | 18:46 |
| arrrghhh | called 'auto-ignore' | 18:46 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, ping | 20:56 |
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| hyc | arrrghhh: pong | 22:03 |
| arrrghhh | damnit man. | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | ;P | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | i had a weird issue, used phone, drove home, phone had no service. | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | i'm in the process of updating it, i was going to ask how you wanted to troubleshoot or if you wanted logs | 22:04 |
| arrrghhh | in/out of airplane mode did nothing. | 22:04 |
| hyc | might as well get logs | 22:05 |
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| arrrghhh | too late | 22:07 |
| arrrghhh | that's what i mean... | 22:07 |
| arrrghhh | when i said damnit man. | 22:07 |
| hyc | bummer. at this point I don't think there's any stability improvements. | 22:08 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 22:09 |
| hyc | the last couple patches just added call waiting etc. | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | i'm not sure what happened tbh, never happened before. | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | i need to go to the newest ril2 | 22:09 |
| arrrghhh | i was on your test one | 22:09 |
| hyc | ok | 22:09 |
| hyc | did you test anything with voice privacy? | 22:10 |
| arrrghhh | not yet | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | i was going to pull the newest | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | although it's not in there yet eh? | 22:11 |
| hyc | ok | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | i have to grab that test ril? | 22:11 |
| hyc | no, it's all in there now | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 22:11 |
| arrrghhh | grabbin ril2 | 22:12 |
| D3tul3 | hyc: i am not having the greatest luck with your ril i downloaded this morning, i got a couple of SODs while I was in a low reception area at work today...unfortunately no log from those | 22:12 |
| D3tul3 | i did however get home and start a log on connectbot and put the phone in the microwave | 22:12 |
| D3tul3 | called it | 22:13 |
| D3tul3 | started blinking orange/green | 22:13 |
| hyc | is your phone on cdma or gsm? | 22:13 |
| D3tul3 | never rang, i did manage to wake it up after the fact but the screen stayed on unresponsive here's the logcat http://pastebin.com/imR3BsXt | 22:13 |
| D3tul3 | rhod 400 cdma mode | 22:13 |
| hyc | ok | 22:14 |
| D3tul3 | all your previous ones have been stellar for me | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | D3tul3, are you running the rootfs changes as well? | 22:16 |
| arrrghhh | so much stuff in testing | 22:17 |
| hyc | D3tul3: do you remember what was the previous one you tried? | 22:17 |
| D3tul3 | no rootfs changes though at some point i pulled your frameworks/base as well as phone commits | 22:18 |
| hyc | ok | 22:19 |
| D3tul3 | i have ril-bcbbc4f.zip and ril-391df1f.zip in my folder so my guess is I ran one or the other before the current one | 22:19 |
| D3tul3 | i guess the patch to the ppp options file be the best course of action for me as well | 22:21 |
| arrrghhh | yea i use usb tethering every day | 22:22 |
| arrrghhh | thru easytether, bleh. | 22:22 |
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| Detule | oh yes i can kill my session remotely, i am that cool | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, meet raymonddull | 22:25 |
| raymonddull | hi | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, has been hacking at our RIL | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | well the vogue community RIL | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | which is kinda ours :P | 22:25 |
| * raymonddull has a sprint RHOD400 w/ hspl,security and sim unlocked and running on tmobile. | 22:25 | |
| arrrghhh | at any rate hyc, raymonddull has a rhod400 and uses GSM. he can hopefully help us narrow down why the radio shuts off in sleep. | 22:25 |
| arrrghhh | he's not a complete n00b either :P | 22:26 |
| raymonddull | :) | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | which is the problem we keep having with this issue. everyone who uses the cdma phones as gsm were all horrible testers. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | at any rate, i would think a dmesg and a radio logcat would be cool. | 22:26 |
| arrrghhh | for the radio logcat do -v time -b radio | 22:27 |
| hyc | great | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, so i guess put it in sleep, give the phone a call, and pull those logs | 22:28 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, do you want a regular logcat too? | 22:29 |
| hyc | sure | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | might as well. logcat -v time | 22:29 |
| hyc | what's the normal symptom anyway? | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, thanks man. i was going to steal a SIM from my neighbor lol | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, so in the newer kernels, this happens. | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | i tried tracking it with one person, and i thought we traced it to the kernel with panel collapse | 22:29 |
| raymonddull | k sorry about that,my stepdad called me downstairs to show me spb mobile shell that he just bought on his nexus,I'm like yeah,whatever been there,had that 6 years ago on winmo. /yawn | 22:29 |
| hyc | D3tul3: what timestamps did you have the phone in the microwave? | 22:29 |
| arrrghhh | but then someone else said one of wistilt2's test kernels from march it worked in, which wouldn't make sense. | 22:30 |
| hyc | Detule ... | 22:30 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 22:30 |
| Detule | i would say couple of minutes before the logcat ended | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, so didja get that? | 22:31 |
| Detule | i am about to try and replicate my 'success' in the microwave | 22:31 |
| raymonddull | yeah,but my stupid computer isnt seeing it again | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i think this issue is kernel related, just wanted to give you that heads up.. | 22:31 |
| raymonddull | I'll try on my other laptop,1 sec | 22:31 |
| arrrghhh | heh i was going to say different port | 22:31 |
| raymonddull | tried all 3 | 22:31 |
| hyc | ok | 22:31 |
| Detule | in the mircowave it would show 0 bars | 22:32 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 22:32 |
| hyc | in your log, I saw the ignal getting weaker, but I never saw the modem hangup the connection | 22:32 |
| hyc | also at one point it said it was roaming | 22:32 |
| Detule | yes i got a triangle | 22:32 |
| Detule | before i tried calling the phone | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, voice privacy is avail now. it's checked. | 22:33 |
| * raymonddull hates windows... | 22:33 | |
| hyc | arrrghhh: interesting that it defaulted on. Well, it would have whatever setting winmo left it with | 22:33 |
| arrrghhh | which i think is default=on | 22:34 |
| hyc | ok, cool | 22:34 |
| hyc | then I guess it's believable ;) | 22:34 |
| raymonddull | I'll be back on in a sec,going to boot to ubuntu since none of the retarded computers running windows in this house can seem to recognize this phone | 22:34 |
| hyc | lol | 22:34 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, ha, uhm... call waiting still doing the same messed up thing of ending both calls, then getting a call back from the other caller. | 22:35 |
| arrrghhh | but the other caller is always on the line haha | 22:36 |
| raymonddull | that happens to me on my incredible | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | what? | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | so that's expected behavior | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | don't say that. | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, he's lying. | 22:36 |
| raymonddull | the call waiting bug happens to me on my incredible all the time | 22:36 |
| arrrghhh | shit. | 22:36 |
| hyc | hahahahaha | 22:37 |
| Detule | hyc got another sod in the microwave | 22:37 |
| Detule | this time there was no reaction on call (led stayed green) | 22:37 |
| raymonddull | ok,ubuntu sees it now,what do I need to run? | 22:37 |
| hyc | Detule: ok. did you update your ppp options? | 22:37 |
| Detule | but can't wake green light SOD | 22:37 |
| hyc | LED stayed green, that's a new one.... | 22:38 |
| Detule | oh crap the screen just came on ~ min after i pressed it completely unresponsive | 22:38 |
| Detule | so i am still qualifying it as an sod :) | 22:38 |
| Detule | no didnt update ppp | 22:38 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: have you already got raymonddull to install the ril etc? | 22:38 |
| Detule | i'll get you this log and then i'll try updating | 22:38 |
| raymonddull | no,I'm running the froyo bundle,no changes | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, o yea i guess we should do that. | 22:39 |
| hyc | I guess if it's a kernel hang we'd see the same result regardless | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | probably should do the full rootfs poop | 22:39 |
| hyc | but still, the new ril is all around tighter code | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | stock ril is kinda hosed lol | 22:39 |
| hyc | yeah | 22:39 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, see this post ----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12403862&postcount=6 | 22:40 |
| raymonddull | k | 22:40 |
| Detule | i was just sceptical about that ppp code update i was reading the late night #xdandroid session with ryanathans and damn talk about a failed testing | 22:40 |
| Detule | but I guess you did get some useful information out of it | 22:41 |
| raymonddull | is this like the hd2 was,I can't touch the sd card over usb without corruption in android? | 22:41 |
| raymonddull | or can I copy that over without rebooting? | 22:41 |
| raymonddull | nm,I can do it with adb | 22:41 |
| hyc | yeah use adb | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | indeed | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | those directions also assume you're just putting the rootnew.zip on the root of the SD | 22:43 |
| raymonddull | lol,I'm in a room with crappy signal and this thing handles gprs>edge handoff better than the vibrant did. the vibrant got stuck in gprs when it switched over,this stayed gprs for about 2 seconds then jumped back to edge | 22:43 |
| Detule | hyc: http://pastebin.com/EviQ2LVK (2nd one without ppp updates) | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, do you want the modded rootfs too? | 22:43 |
| raymonddull | sure | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | there's a rootfs from F22 with some schweet changes. | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, lots of crap in testing right now, no joke... | 22:43 |
| arrrghhh | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=935710 | 22:44 |
| hyc | if you were using real partitions for /data and /system you could use regular USB mounts, but for some reason it gets hosed when the phone remounts | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, so modify that rootfs | 22:44 |
| raymonddull | ok | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, yea it'll be moot when NAND is stable. | 22:44 |
| raymonddull | definitely need to reboot for this,right? | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | when it's all done, yea. | 22:44 |
| arrrghhh | well i would reboot, replace rootfs with f22's. | 22:45 |
| raymonddull | just to be sure,rootfs-f22-20110301-f4409a9.img.7z is what I need? | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | yea | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | replace your current rootfs with that one | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | there's some changes to the home button you can make thru the startup.txt, details in that post. | 22:45 |
| raymonddull | ugh,mediafire is so fcking slow,83kbps,my connection averages 2.9MB/sec | 22:45 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:45 |
| raymonddull | yeah,I tried that in gb and it didnt work,but I figured it was a GB issue. | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | orly | 22:46 |
| arrrghhh | with F22's rootfs? | 22:46 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 22:47 |
| arrrghhh | weird | 22:47 |
| raymonddull | I tried using the keylayouts pieced together to have the send button be mapped as home and end to be search and it broke the symbol keys on the keyboard and the outside buttons were still mapped as send and end | 22:48 |
| hyc | Detule: weird. it looks like something was stuck somewhere else though | 22:48 |
| hyc | it received the +CRING messages from your incoming call, and sent notifications about them | 22:49 |
| hyc | but the Phone app deosn't respond till later | 22:49 |
| Detule | well i keep calling my phone when it's next to me in a not so crappy service area and it rings through just fine | 22:50 |
| hyc | like lines 500-520 | 22:50 |
| hyc | it does some notifications | 22:50 |
| hyc | and a few more 537-544 | 22:50 |
| hyc | but I don't get why they're bunched up like that instead of sent immediately | 22:51 |
| hyc | lines 585-594 especially | 22:51 |
| hyc | the worst is lines 729-745 | 22:51 |
| hyc | although I guess timewise there's only a 1 second delay between those two sets of events | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, i've noticed sometimes the phone just doesn't seem to wake when a phone call comes in. i've had a few test calls that ring right thru to voicemail, no reaction from the phone. | 22:52 |
| hyc | hmmm. kinda what Detule's log looks like | 22:52 |
| arrrghhh | seeing it sleep in a call is interesting too | 22:53 |
| raymonddull | thats exactly what my phone did in gsm mode too,didnt change from green light,didnt ring. it went to voicemail after 2 rings | 22:53 |
| arrrghhh | i wonder what implications the proxy sensor has with that. | 22:53 |
| Detule | k ppp updates done, rebooting, and then i'll run the good ol' microwave test | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 22:54 |
| arrrghhh | what a great test | 22:55 |
| hyc | ok. Detule, I'm beginning to doubt ppp has anything to do with this | 22:55 |
| arrrghhh | it doesn't effect my phone like it does yours | 22:55 |
| raymonddull | ok,rootfs updated,rebooting | 22:55 |
| * raymonddull has never tried putting his phone in a microwave | 22:55 | |
| Detule | it's good | 22:55 |
| Detule | a little cruncy | 22:55 |
| raymonddull | lol | 22:55 |
| Detule | *crunchy | 22:55 |
| hyc | lol | 22:55 |
| hyc | it only drops my phone to 2 bars | 22:55 |
| raymonddull | im guessing its to test crappy signal since a properly built microwave is basically a faraday cage? | 22:56 |
| Detule | you don't have the extra coating on the inside | 22:56 |
| hyc | raymonddull: yes | 22:56 |
| Detule | a mixture of pizza and chilly | 22:56 |
| hyc | but a microwave oven only has to stop a narrow range of frequencies | 22:56 |
| * raymonddull has crappy signal to begin with,just move away from a window to lose signal | 22:57 | |
| arrrghhh | hyc, yea, gotta turn that thing up to high to really get the effects :P | 22:57 |
| hyc | heh | 22:57 |
| hyc | microwave ovens are usually 2.45Ghz. | 22:58 |
| hyc | So they really mess with 802.11a | 22:58 |
| hyc | europe 3G is 2.1GHz IIRC | 22:58 |
| hyc | I'm on US T-Mobile, 1.7GHz | 22:59 |
| hyc | so it's not as effectively blocked | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | yea i heard vz's new lte service works great indoors | 22:59 |
| arrrghhh | very low freq | 22:59 |
| raymonddull | I'm on edge,1900mhz here | 23:00 |
| raymonddull | damn this thing takes FOREVER to boot | 23:00 |
| hyc | yeah I would expect the microwave oven to have minimal effect on 1900 | 23:00 |
| raymonddull | appearantly the tp2 has a good gsm antenna though,sitting next to my mom's mytouch slide,I have 4/6 bars,she has 1/4. | 23:01 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, wistilt2's kernels boot a little quicker | 23:02 |
| arrrghhh | but yea... it's a 528mhz proc :P | 23:02 |
| raymonddull | the g1 wasnt this slow... | 23:02 |
| raymonddull | well,maybe in froyo it was. | 23:03 |
| hyc | heh | 23:03 |
| raymonddull | how hard would it be to put donut on here? | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | lol donut | 23:03 |
| arrrghhh | why | 23:03 |
| hyc | donut wouldn't be any faster | 23:03 |
| raymonddull | that seems to be the best os for this hardware | 23:03 |
| raymonddull | yeah,on the g1 its a LOT faster | 23:03 |
| hyc | you still have a G1? | 23:03 |
| raymonddull | up to about 2 months ago i did | 23:03 |
| hyc | I have FroyoByLazlo on my G1. it's pretty responsive. | 23:04 |
| Detule | hyc: well can't replicate microwave failure anymore, called 4 times phone never rang but it woke up fine every time | 23:04 |
| Detule | i am curious if the phonecalls will show up in the radio log | 23:04 |
| raymonddull | try superD,i bet its faster | 23:04 |
| Detule | and if so why it didn't ring | 23:04 |
| raymonddull | rehab is for quitters | 23:04 |
| raymonddull | thats the nickname of the rom^ | 23:04 |
| hyc | Detule: dunno, but also if you're doing this on a fresh boot, the phone is pretty busy for the first couple minutes that it's up | 23:04 |
| raymonddull | its done the xdandroid boot animation like 30 times... | 23:05 |
| hyc | raymonddull: I've seen the thread for that, but never installed it | 23:05 |
| raymonddull | its awesome,you should try it. definitely my favorite g1 rom | 23:05 |
| hyc | SD card installs are pretty slow | 23:05 |
| raymonddull | ok,finally booted | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, yea | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | even after booting... | 23:05 |
| arrrghhh | might want to let it sit and settle :P | 23:05 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:05 |
| raymonddull | does the orange light mean its charging when I plug it in,or does it just never sleep when charging? | 23:06 |
| F22 | damn, google's porting doc was wrong. key map encodings are in utf-16, not utf-8. that's what i get for trusting google without double-checking. lol. | 23:06 |
| raymonddull | lol | 23:06 |
| hyc | so you're booted with new kernel and new rootfs? | 23:06 |
| raymonddull | I did the new rootfs and new ril,I didnt do a kernel | 23:06 |
| hyc | ok | 23:06 |
| raymonddull | what kernel should I be running? | 23:06 |
| arrrghhh | 1276 is fine | 23:07 |
| arrrghhh | it exhibits the issue | 23:07 |
| hyc | F22: I kinda wondered about that. UTF-8 chars are obviously only 8 bits :P | 23:07 |
| raymonddull | yeah,thats what I'm running | 23:07 |
| raymonddull | ok,so now what do I need to do? | 23:07 |
| hyc | I think you jsut setup two logcats and let the phone go to sleep | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, put the phone to sleep. call it. wake it, pull a logcat, radio logcat and dmesg. | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | all with -v time | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, you cant | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | oh i guess if you set it up on the phone | 23:08 |
| hyc | yeah. I use connectbot | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | i was thinking you can't while connected to adb. | 23:08 |
| hyc | actually now I use gscript | 23:08 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, orange = wake, green = sleep. wistilt2's kernels are slightly different. there's a third state, blinking green = wakelock present. | 23:09 |
| F22 | lol, yeah. you'd think i'd have caught it when i used a 16 bit example... :P | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | F22, lol no comment :P | 23:09 |
| raymonddull | ok,so its always awake when charging appearantly | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, yea it can't sleep when charging... | 23:09 |
| arrrghhh | at least not completely. when it's fully charged i think it does sleep. | 23:10 |
| raymonddull | ok,incredible is booting now,then I'll call it. | 23:10 |
| raymonddull | it boots faster than 2 loops of the tp2's boot animation. :) | 23:10 |
| hyc | lol | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | you're surprised by this why? :P | 23:11 |
| raymonddull | im not,just thought it was funny. | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | kinda sad. | 23:11 |
| raymonddull | the phone answered and hung up while asleep | 23:11 |
| arrrghhh | but yea | 23:11 |
| raymonddull | it didnt change to orange,but the incredible vibrated and said call ended after 2 rings | 23:11 |
| hyc | answered? | 23:12 |
| raymonddull | idk,2 rings,hangup | 23:12 |
| hyc | oh well | 23:12 |
| hyc | let's see the logs | 23:12 |
| raymonddull | 3 rings then voicemail this time | 23:12 |
| Detule | hyc: ok thanks, well since i can't seem to replicate the problem any more I'll just go on hoping that commenting out that persit line fixed whatever it was that was happening | 23:12 |
| hyc | Detule: ok | 23:12 |
| hyc | it definitely will help for many other hang situations. | 23:13 |
| hyc | that's already proven anyway | 23:13 |
| raymonddull | what are the exact commands I need again? | 23:13 |
| hyc | logcat -v time | 23:13 |
| raymonddull | you listed them earlier when I was on the other laptop | 23:13 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:13 |
| hyc | logcat -v time -b radio | 23:13 |
| Detule | goodnight everyone | 23:13 |
| hyc | dmesg | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | Detule, bb' | 23:13 |
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| arrrghhh | er | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | nn | 23:13 |
| arrrghhh | damn | 23:13 |
| raymonddull | how long do I let it run before killing it,5 seconds good enough? I used adb logcat -v time > logcat.txt | 23:15 |
| hyc | yeah | 23:15 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:15 |
| raymonddull | ok,the logcat is pastebin.com/FmGKkvf1 | 23:17 |
| raymonddull | and the radio logcat is pastebin.cim/9EgMCS0S | 23:18 |
| raymonddull | then I'm guessing the last one would be "adb shell dmesg > dmesg.txt" ? | 23:18 |
| raymonddull | dmesg: pastebin.com/sXvKdkNS | 23:19 |
| hyc | yeah | 23:20 |
| raymonddull | and thats with it going to sleep and me calling it twice,it didnt ring either time. | 23:20 |
| hyc | looks like this is the stock ril by the way | 23:23 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, you can use -d additionally on the logcat, it'll die | 23:23 |
| raymonddull | hmm,I followed the directions exactly,I wonder why its still using the stock ril? | 23:24 |
| arrrghhh | did you bind mount the RIL? | 23:24 |
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| arrrghhh | or how did you place the RIL into the system? | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # cd / | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # mount -o remount,rw / | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # rm -rf .git | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # mv init.android init.android.BAK | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # unzip /sdcard/rootnew.zip | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # chmod 755 init.android init.etc/ppp/ip-*-* | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | # mount -o remount,ro / | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | thats what I did | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | no that's the rootfs changes | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | there's also that ril.zip | 23:25 |
| raymonddull | ahh,then I didnt do ril then. lol | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | ril-234897s whatever.zip | 23:25 |
| arrrghhh | hahaha | 23:26 |
| raymonddull | what do I need to do to install that? | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | reboot to winmo. | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | i guess we can set it up in android | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | if youw ant | 23:26 |
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| raymonddull | booting winmo | 23:26 |
| arrrghhh | ok | 23:27 |
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| raymonddull | me running radio 2.32.0WU doesn't effect anything,right? | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | did you download that magical file i speak of? it's attached to the same post | 23:27 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | that's the same radio i'm on | 23:27 |
| raymonddull | WU though? | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | lol you downloaded it but did nothing with it? :P | 23:27 |
| raymonddull | then you're sim unlocked | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | WU... i don't think so | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | just W | 23:27 |
| raymonddull | yeah,lol | 23:27 |
| raymonddull | ahh,WU is world unlocked | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | ah | 23:27 |
| arrrghhh | yea i have no reason to unlock at this point. | 23:28 |
| hyc | your signal is so weak there, the phone is always losing the network and reconnecting | 23:28 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:28 |
| raymonddull | it has 2 bars in windows mobile though,idk why its dropping in android. you would cry if you say the logs for sprint... | 23:28 |
| hyc | I never saw a +CRING message | 23:29 |
| hyc | so it never received your call | 23:29 |
| raymonddull | right | 23:29 |
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| arrrghhh | hyc, yea the bug basically is the radio _shuts off_ when the screen turns off. | 23:29 |
| arrrghhh | i traced it with one of those foreigners to 1253 i think. | 23:30 |
| raymonddull | ok,what do I need to do in windows? | 23:31 |
| hyc | what in windows? | 23:31 |
| hyc | can you dial out from the TP2? | 23:31 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:31 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, ok that ril.zip | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | should have libhtcgeneric-ril.so | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | right? | 23:32 |
| raymonddull | in both oses it works fine for incoming and outgoing calls as long as the screen is on in android. | 23:32 |
| raymonddull | yes | 23:32 |
| arrrghhh | ril2-a88c972.zip | 23:32 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | cool | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | so copy that to your SD card | 23:33 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | wherever you wish | 23:33 |
| raymonddull | done | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | now where you run haret from, there's a conf folder. | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | froyo.user.conf, edit that file | 23:33 |
| hyc | oh, interesting. like at line 1939 of the radio log | 23:33 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:33 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | at the end, custom commands section | 23:33 |
| arrrghhh | add a bind mount statement | 23:33 |
| hyc | screen state was just turned off, and immediately network registration went to 0 | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | mount --bind /sdcard/libhtcgeneric-ril.so /lib/froyo/libhtcgeneric-ril.so | 23:34 |
| hyc | well, not immediate. 9 seconds later. | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, the first part assumes it's at the root of your SD | 23:34 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:34 |
| raymonddull | thats where it is | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | k | 23:34 |
| arrrghhh | obviously that bind mount is for froyo | 23:35 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:35 |
| hyc | arrrghhh: this doesn't happen on your phone? | 23:36 |
| raymonddull | ok,saved. now I need to reboot? | 23:36 |
| hyc | It only happens in GSM, not CDMA? | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, correct | 23:36 |
| arrrghhh | only rhod400/500 users that use it as gsm | 23:36 |
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| hyc | how do you choose what mode the phone boots up in? | 23:36 |
| raymonddull | not reboot,I need to boot into android? | 23:36 |
| raymonddull | pick it in winmo | 23:36 |
| raymonddull | network settings | 23:36 |
| hyc | ok | 23:36 |
| hyc | with the new ril in I'd like you to try some other things too | 23:37 |
| raymonddull | settings>wireless controls>phone>network tab>gsm/umts only | 23:37 |
| hyc | but ok, so this is definitely a kernel issue | 23:37 |
| raymonddull | ok,its booting froyo with the new ril now. | 23:37 |
| raymonddull | I want to know how this thing lasts soooooooo much longer on the same battery as the incredible. | 23:38 |
| hyc | get an adb logcat -v time -b radio right now | 23:38 |
| raymonddull | while its booting? | 23:38 |
| hyc | yes | 23:38 |
| raymonddull | its at the scrolling text | 23:38 |
| hyc | I want to see the beginning of the log | 23:38 |
| raymonddull | ok,ill let it run till it gets to the lockscreen,then stop it and upload | 23:39 |
| hyc | ok | 23:39 |
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| raymonddull | sorry! process system is not responding force close or wait | 23:40 |
| hyc | when you toggle the setting in winmo, does it require a reboot to take effect, or is it immediate? | 23:40 |
| raymonddull | it takes about 15 seconds | 23:40 |
| raymonddull | no reboot | 23:40 |
| hyc | ok | 23:40 |
| hyc | 15 seconds, so it is restarting the radio probably | 23:41 |
| raymonddull | it goes into airplane mode and comes back out in the other mode | 23:41 |
| hyc | makes sense | 23:41 |
| raymonddull | pastebin.com/bEgwj69u | 23:41 |
| hyc | bummer. I have no idea how to spy on that to see what commands winmo uses to force the switch. | 23:42 |
| raymonddull | it said system was not responding on boot,and i hit wait,its sitting at a black screen,what should I do? | 23:42 |
| hyc | dunno. looks like this is still the stock ril tho | 23:44 |
| hyc | get an adb logcat now | 23:44 |
| hyc | something should show up in there to explain why system is stuck | 23:44 |
| arrrghhh | still stock RIL? | 23:44 |
| hyc | yep | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | unless the line was put into the user.conf wrong :/ | 23:45 |
| arrrghhh | i've f-ed that up | 23:45 |
| hyc | line 165 | 23:45 |
| hyc | I commented that out of my ril | 23:45 |
| raymonddull | pastebin.com/QZQFAu6s | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, if you want pastebin the froyo.user.conf | 23:46 |
| raymonddull | ok,1 sec | 23:46 |
| raymonddull | gotta reboot,its frozen | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | Oo | 23:46 |
| raymonddull | its stuck at a black screen,but I hit the power button and it popped up with the menu,I hit power off,ok and it went back to the boot animation. wtf? | 23:46 |
| arrrghhh | yea, if system waits too long it does killall zygote AFAIK | 23:47 |
| raymonddull | froyo.user.conf: pastebin.com/13Ln0vzx | 23:49 |
| hyc | looks like trouble mounting sdcard | 23:49 |
| raymonddull | so my sd card is dying? | 23:50 |
| raymonddull | or just a random issue | 23:50 |
| hyc | probably random | 23:50 |
| hyc | your froyo.user.conf is wrong | 23:50 |
| raymonddull | ok,good beause this is the fastest card I have | 23:50 |
| hyc | the mount bind line has to be inside the braces for custom shells | 23:51 |
| hyc | in the pastebin, swap lines 57 and 58 | 23:51 |
| raymonddull | I have a 2gb class 2, 8gb class 4 and a 16gb class 2. | 23:51 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:51 |
| raymonddull | so... | 23:51 |
| raymonddull | mount --bind... | 23:51 |
| raymonddull | t} | 23:51 |
| hyc | yeah | 23:52 |
| raymonddull | blah,remove the t | 23:52 |
| raymonddull | ok | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | heh | 23:52 |
| arrrghhh | sorry man, i assume too much sometimes :P | 23:52 |
| raymonddull | is there a reason it wont reboot from adb or does my phone just hate me? adb reboot says error:closed and if Im in adb shell,reboot just goes to the next line,it doesnt do anything | 23:53 |
| arrrghhh | i don't think i've ever tried that | 23:53 |
| hyc | frx seems to be missing the reboot function | 23:53 |
| raymonddull | ahh | 23:54 |
| hyc | yeah, bums me out | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | cm6 probably has it | 23:54 |
| hyc | yeah | 23:54 |
| hyc | I think we had this discussion once, why not add Reboot to the poweroff menu | 23:54 |
| raymonddull | I completely forgot,I was supposed to be finding the rndis drivers for someone in #android like 45 minutes ago... oh well,someone else probably did it by now | 23:54 |
| arrrghhh | cm has it :P | 23:55 |
| hyc | nobody uses pure AOSP | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | hyc, stine doesn't want to make frameworks changes. | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:55 |
| hyc | pure AOSP is .. lame :P | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | haha | 23:55 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | well he adds gapps | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | if that helps | 23:55 |
| * raymonddull wants CM 6 | 23:55 | |
| raymonddull | or 7 would be nice | 23:55 |
| hyc | CM6 is kinda overkill. too slow for me | 23:55 |
| arrrghhh | 7 isn't so stable yet on rhod | 23:55 |
| raymonddull | I'm thinking something more like 4.12 would be better. | 23:56 |
| hyc | tho mebbe CM6 wouldn't be too slow on rhod | 23:56 |
| raymonddull | CM4.x=donut :) | 23:56 |
| hyc | bleah, too primitive | 23:56 |
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| raymonddull | why? almost everything that runs in 2.x runs in donut | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | you have an odd obsession with donut. | 23:57 |
| raymonddull | because its fast | 23:57 |
| hyc | I think it's time to eat a donut.... | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | lol | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | raymonddull, it'd have to be so ridiculously good for me to consider ditching froyo. i've read what froyo has | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | i can't give up the voice actions :P | 23:57 |
| arrrghhh | i'm addicted! | 23:57 |
| raymonddull | myns warm donut runs faster on the htc vogue than froyo runs on my intercept which has a 200mhz faster processor and double the ram. | 23:58 |
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| hyc | I don't even use those. still thinking it'd be fun to train it to my cat. | 23:58 |
| raymonddull | thats only a 400mhz cpu and 128mb ram | 23:58 |
| raymonddull | and its decently fast | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | oh vogue | 23:58 |
| arrrghhh | dzo made that thing sing... | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | not a speed demon by any means,but it runs decently. | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | yeah,its awesome | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | I could probably get one for free if it would be useful for anything with the tp2. | 23:59 |
| hyc | a vogue? | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | my cousin has one he doesnt use anymore. | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | an old alltel one. | 23:59 |
| hyc | dunno | 23:59 |
| hyc | oh, pure CDMA | 23:59 |
| raymonddull | yeah | 23:59 |
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