Wednesday, 2010-08-25

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budlownever mind I guess...00:10
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gladiac_hiii, what happened to htc-msm-2.6.27-nand :)01:58
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camro_hi at all02:50
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Hojouguys? i'm trying to ask a question, but no matter how i try to write it, i think i come out as an idiot for not knowing how zimage/rootfs/kernel relates to a specific device as the diam100 - anyone here have a few secs to spare, answering a couple confused questions?04:42
Hojoudoes anyone have an explanation (or perhaps a link to some site/forum explaining) what the relation is between rootfs, zimage and kernel - what relates to what and how?04:44
Hojoui mean, obvious there are those three i can download individual and use - but what functionality is in what packages - i know some is specific to my diam100, but some are not?04:45
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JimboJoeHojou: for what I know, none of there 3 packages are device-related04:58
JimboJoethese*04:58
HojouThanks JimboJoe :)05:02
Hojoui still wonder why people do report changes on their specific devices for different versions of, say zImages05:03
Jbruneauxbecause zImage does contains routines for all devices (diamond, raphael, ...). Some changes are common to all devices, but others may affect only one device05:06
Hojouok thanks Jbruneaux :)05:06
HojouIf i feel lucky and want to try and update some files to a newer version - should i just download the newest of kernel, rootfs, zimage? should i only try one/some first? i just don't get it why there are three different "modules" i can update?05:08
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JbruneauxAll the updates are release along with a "changelog" that sum up the improvement / fixes...device specific fixes are in the zImage but others updates might be in the zImage, modules or rootfs. Just take a look to the commit log or the change log.05:14
Hojouare these changelogs: http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/05:18
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JimboJoeHojou: yes, just hover the Download link05:20
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JimboJoethey are a bit technical, though :-)05:21
TheDeadCPUNice car stinebd. I figure you'll read this when you're back.05:22
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HojouJimboJoe: AHA! thanks06:48
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hamagcgood morning guys11:51
xUmaRixit's night here in +811:55
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOIt's 17:56 here in +211:56
hamagcbah it's early here12:12
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hamagcso google app inventor. doesn't work with our devices from what i can tell :(12:29
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOHow so?12:31
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hamagcwell it uses chrome to phone to push apps to the phone but whenever i click on send to phone it doesn't see my phone.12:36
hamagci can push web pages to the phone no problemm12:36
hamagcnot apps from app inventor though12:36
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOTry pushing via ADB then12:36
hamagcthat would work. i guess i'll just need an emulator to test apps on then so i'm not pushing apps that don't work to my device12:38
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TheDeadCPU|BRAVOlol12:41
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOI tried it with my Touch Pro, worked great over ADB12:41
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hamagcya it'll push over adb no problems. but it wouldn't let me push from the appmaker to the phone directly12:46
hamagcwouldn't recognize my phone :(12:46
hamagcstupid thing12:46
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOlol12:46
TheDeadCPU|BRAVOGoogle hates XDAndroid :(12:46
phhhamagc: you actually registered chrome to phone on your phone ?12:47
phhthere is no reason it doesn't work12:47
hamagci did and it works to push webpages12:47
phhah12:47
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outcorpsehi guys14:02
outcorpsecan you maybe help me14:02
outcorpsei've put android type rom on my htc diamond touch14:02
outcorpsehow do you hardmap the buttons14:02
outcorpseor use the buttons14:02
outcorpse:-)14:02
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hamagchow do you use the buttons?14:10
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hamagcmost people just tap or press on them14:10
hamagcehh guess you weren't interested14:10
TheDeadCPUlol14:12
TheDeadCPUHe pinged out lol14:12
hamagclol14:12
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hamagcoutcorpse, what are you trying to do?14:16
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zychoihi folks14:30
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hamagchi14:32
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zychois there an xdandroid release for diam100 which use ext2 partition?14:36
hamagcno14:36
hamagconly the neopeek builds are using that right now14:36
hamagcwe had it setup but it ended up being more of a pain than anything else.14:36
hamagcno real benefits from the partition setup14:37
zychookay14:38
zychoand whats your favourite release?14:39
hamagc2.214:39
hamagclol xdandroid only has one release thats current14:39
hamagcno developement has gone on for 2.1 since 2.2 was released14:40
hamagcall the other builds are based off of xdandroid (neopeek, the donut builds) but xdandoird only has 2.1 and 2.2, 2.2 being current14:40
zychoi will test it on my device :)14:41
hamagcgl, and enjoy :)14:41
zychoneopeek ports doesnt work well for me14:41
zychothanks14:41
hamagci hear that from alot of people14:42
hamagci hear that xdandorid is alot more stable for most people14:42
zychobtw why not working on ONE release?14:43
hamagchuh?14:43
zychowould be better if there is one release that is running good instead of many releases that are buggy14:44
zycho:)14:44
hamagcxdanroid only has one release14:44
hamagcneopeek is based off of xdandroid but it is a different release from a different maker.14:45
zychoah okay14:45
|Jeroen|isn't neopeek bases on cryogen14:45
hamagcyes14:45
hamagcbased on cryogen with our files (kernal, system i believe, rootfs)14:45
|Jeroen|and isn't cryogen binarys ripped from other phones ?14:45
|Jeroen|or is it also open source built ?14:46
hamagcit's all open14:46
|Jeroen|ah i assumed it was ripped stuff14:46
hamagcbut he has incorporated alot of cryogenmods stuff into our build.14:46
hamagcalot of stuff was ripped from other devices14:47
hamagcalot of our build came from the vogue port of android14:47
hamagcbut currently only neopeek and the xdandroid team are developing for our devices14:48
hamagcneopeek i beleive is working on nand still and we're working on general stability and getting everything to work14:48
|Jeroen|the we are doing the right  thing :-), nand is not that usefull until all works perfectly14:49
hamagcpretty much14:50
|Jeroen|well im afk, gonna relax and drink some good beer14:50
hamagcif he can get it to work it will be nice as it will need to be done eventually14:50
hamagcbut it would be nicer to have everything working properly first14:50
hamagcmmm beer14:50
|Jeroen|yeah good belgian beer :-p14:51
|Jeroen|Hopus14:51
* zycho chilling with german radeberger14:52
hamagci wish i could drink at work14:53
hamagcehh maybe not lol14:53
zycho;)14:53
hamagcso it's supposed to him 110 out here today :x14:55
hamagcthats flipping hot14:55
hamagcwell it's lunch time. bbl14:57
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pedro__hello15:31
zychohi15:31
pedro__maybe someone can help me...15:32
pedro__I have installed xdandroid 2.2 on my diamond GSM, and now the radio stack doesn't work on winmo15:33
pedro__I can receive a call with android, but not with winmo15:34
pedro__is it a known issue?15:34
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hamagcok back for a few minutes16:15
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x2my install crapped itself for no reason16:17
x2so ill have to start all over again.... sigh16:17
x2maybe i should do data.img again and not ext216:17
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hamagc??16:22
x2i woke up to my phone being "on" but locked up and black16:24
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x2rebooted16:24
x2now its corrupted16:24
x2it boots but proccesses fail right away16:24
hamagchmm are you on partitions still or using system.exts?16:24
x2partitions16:25
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hamagccould be why. we've ditched the partitions format, try going back to etx2 fs and see if it makes a difference.16:25
hamagcand depending on how bad it is, you might be able to go back into ubuntu and  convert the partition back into a data.img16:26
hamagcthat would save you the time of setting everything up again. if it works16:26
x2how would I do that?16:27
hamagchmm let me find you the cmd line fori t16:27
x2or maybe I should just redo it all :/16:27
x2so its fresh16:27
x2im just gonna leave the sdcard partitioned the way it is then16:27
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x2and remove the root location line from startup.txt16:27
hamagcyou could do that16:27
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xUmaRixy xdandroid installer script using mmcblk0p3 and mmcblk0p416:41
hamagcnot positive but i think it was a difference between raph800 and raph10016:44
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CS2001hi16:45
hamagchi16:46
xUmaRixits hard 4 me in blac100 to partiton sdcard like that16:46
CS2001i have a little problem with xdandroid on my htc diamond... how can i download an .apk file? Any browser that i use tells me, that it needs an sd card16:47
x2whats the model exactly?16:48
hamagcxUmaRix: you'll need to confirm with stinebd whenever he comes back to life but i think those were setup because when we moved to 2.2, some devices wouldn't mount the sdcarc16:48
hamagccard*16:49
CS2001t-mobile mda compact iv... and it has no sd card slot16:49
hamagcyour sd card is internal storage16:49
CS2001so, there is no simple solution as in changing a path? D:16:51
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hamagcwhen you click an item to download, a box should pop up asking where you would like to download the file to. you should be able to select internal storage from there and save it.17:00
hamagcalso you can boot back into windows and download the file to your internal storage17:01
hamagcalso you can download on your computer and push it to your phone via adb17:01
hamagcthere are a few different options17:01
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CS2001well, all browsers just tell me, that there's a missing sd card and don't leave me any choice of saving it anywhere17:03
CS2001tried the default browser, opera mini and mailed it to my google account17:04
CS2001and yeah, rebooting to winMo would be a choice, but i don't want to do it everytime17:04
hamagcohhh17:05
stinebdxUmaRix: we did that while testing out a partitioned sd card with our stock builds. that setup allows for distinct filesystems, removing the need for the script (or user) to mash all the files into a single filesystem. it would also be more easily managed17:05
hamagci bet when you click ok gallary, it tells you there is no sd card mounted right?17:05
hamagcuse the hp format tool to format it to fat3217:06
stinebdxdandroid: later tell TheDeadCPU thanks! it drives quite well!17:06
xdandroidstinebd: The operation succeeded.17:06
hamagcif that doesn't work you'll need to use something like gparted to format it17:06
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hamagcthen you should have access to the internal memory while in android17:06
JesusFreak316That reminds me; gallery doesn't work for me; would having a ridiculous crapload of photos mess it up?17:06
CS2001yep, it tells me no sd card17:06
hamagcnot that i know of but could be17:07
zychosoo.. diam100 up with XDANDROID.19.8.10.system.ext2 -- running nice17:07
CS2001so, if i format it... could i use partitions aswell?17:07
hamagcboy i guess i was way off on the mmcblkp3 thingy17:07
zychobut is it normal, that charging isnt shown in taskbat?17:07
hamagcno not normal17:07
hamagccs2001 partitions for what? you can use partitions but i believe android will only see the first fat32 partition17:07
stinebdmaybe normal. if it starts charging, and then 5 seconds later says it's not charging anymore, that's normal17:08
zychoiam loading it via laptop.. maybe thats the reason?17:08
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CS2001partition to keep android and win mo related files seperated17:08
hamagclol ya thats normal. if you goto the lock screen it should say charging still or chargiing complete or something like that17:08
JesusFreak316But yeah, I think just all my winmo apps have all these little icons that gallery tries to load. Is there any way to tell gallery (and music player) to only look in a certain folder?17:09
zychookay thanks17:09
hamagccs2001, use something like an andboot folder and that will keep all your files in a folder and cleaned up instead of a mess of files everywhere17:09
hamagcjesus not that i know of17:09
JesusFreak316Didn't think so. :/17:09
hamagcboy why couldn't it be this busy in here yesterday17:10
JesusFreak316It just makes images unusable in the file browsers since everything relies on gallery.17:10
hamagcstinebd, you read logs yet?17:10
stinebdi read the lines that were highlighted17:10
hamagclol ok well i got the ril to work but can't get an apn to stick17:11
stinebdwhich ril?17:11
hamagcreplaced all 4 apns-conf.xml files i could find with both our current ril and the evo ril17:11
hamagcwith our current ril it still wanted me to use 995 for mnc17:11
hamagcand with the evo ril it didn't seem to want either for mnc17:12
stinebdright, on cdma, those numbers are determined by the ril17:12
hamagcdamnit17:12
hamagcthats what i was afraid of17:12
stinebdwhy?17:12
hamagcoddly though using the evo ril and apns-conf.xml from an evo build, i couldn't get the apn to stick17:12
stinebdenter the add apn menu and it'll tell you what they should be17:12
hamagcwith the evo ril they are blank17:13
stinebduh oh17:13
stinebdmaybe evo ril is sprint specific?17:13
hamagcthats what i'm hoping for17:13
hamagcand hoping that by using it it will give us access to mms17:13
stinebddon't hope for that17:14
stinebdwe'd have no open source solution17:14
hamagcdidn't think of that17:14
hamagcand no way to see what's in it to apply to our ril17:14
hamagcunless we rev. eng. it17:14
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hamagcwhich i imagine is more work than it'd be worth17:15
stinebd(phh's job!)17:15
hamagclol17:15
phhhum ?17:15
hamagchow funny, 2 channels on the same topic. ril17:15
phhspeaking of ril17:17
phhwe can use HD2's hack to use htc's ril17:17
hamagchmm the evo ril point to a bunch of lib files. i'm going to move those and see what happens.17:19
stinebdphh: what is the hack?17:23
phhstinebd: the only problem with htc_ril is that it relies on qmnet, so they have to launch pppd on there own17:23
phhso I gave them a wrapper around the ril to do that :p17:24
stinebdoh right17:24
hamagcqmnet or rmnet?17:24
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phhoh right it's qmi/rmnet17:25
phhnot a mix of them :D17:25
hamagclol17:25
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zychodamn.. no ringtones :(17:36
zychothere is a solution, right?17:36
zychosomeone knows it?17:36
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hamagcthe fix for no ringtones is the same as no sdcard mounted17:40
hamagcyou'll need to format your card. some people have had luck using the hp format tool so try that first17:41
hamagcothers have had to use gparted to do it to get it to work17:41
hamagci don't know of anyone that used gparted and it didn't work17:41
hamagcthat'll fix all media issues with the sdcard, gallary, ringtones, etc.17:41
zychothank you17:42
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zychoill try17:42
zychobtw do you know, if i could use gparted with vmware?17:44
hamagcthat i do not know17:46
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hamagcit looks like it from what i can see in google17:47
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xUmaRixstinebd: y dont we use mmcblk0p2 and mmcblk0p3 like previously17:49
xUmaRixizzit hv to do with ppl from diam ?17:50
stinebdxUmaRix: windows (desktop) doesn't see fat partition unless it's number 1, so we moved everything down 1 to accommodate it17:50
stinebdalso, we're no longer developing for partitions17:51
JesusFreak316So, why'd you stop partitions?17:51
hamagctoo much work on users end17:51
JesusFreak316For not enough benefit?17:51
hamagcit was troubling trying to explain it to everyone and the issue people had with it17:52
hamagcnot everyone is savvy enough to deal with partitions (having to use linux to do so)17:52
stinebdthe main reason for pursuing a partitioned layout was the performance gain. we found that it was due to a bad mount option we used with the loopback layout, so we removed that option and the performance difference is gone17:52
JesusFreak316True; I never even bothered with it. Didn't really seem worth the trouble.17:52
JesusFreak316Is there any possible way to make the data.img dynamically expanding? I know virtualbox does it (I know it's unrelated, but yeah.) but they use a proprietary file type to do that.17:53
stinebdJesusFreak316: no17:55
JesusFreak316Didn't think so. Figured it was worth asking.17:55
JesusFreak316I was looking into flash player earlier today: is it true it is compiled for armv7 or is it just not compatible at the moment?17:56
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stinebdhaven't really looked into it, but it's most likely optimized for the newer architecture17:57
JesusFreak316Yeah, not really worth it anyways probably.17:58
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Gwuat-manHey I have a friend that wants to get the xdandroid software or something similar on the HD2 from tmobile19:01
Gwuat-manany suggestions?19:01
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Gwuat-manany suggestions19:03
phhgoogle android hd2 ?19:03
Gwuat-manIve done that19:03
Gwuat-mansee multiple forums19:04
Gwuat-manfew downloads that appear to be unstable19:04
Gwuat-mantrying to find if anyone knows the best place to go to get the actual file19:04
Gwuat-manor download that works the best19:04
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phhanyway, #htc-linux-chat seems appropriate for that19:05
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Gwuat-manthanks ill try it out19:08
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fatman85Will camera be supported on diamond anytime soon?20:01
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phatman84:)20:03
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phatman84ping20:21
Nikolepong20:21
phatman84thank you.20:22
Nikolelol20:22
phatman84but i was hoping for an answer :P20:22
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